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oz_pacer
11-18-2012, 02:36 PM
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word around the nba is jazz G Alec Burks is available. Burks, the 12th overall draft pick in 2011 has played in just 5 of jazz's 10 games
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I think burks would be a great get here especially with granger being down could slide Paul over to the three what would it take to get him?

Aiq
11-18-2012, 05:15 PM
Alec Burks may help, what about Jimmer Fredette? Hasn't been used much in Sactown and would give us a dead eye shooter that we currently lack. Wasn't Tyreke Evans on the block over the summer as well?

GeniusJMG
11-18-2012, 09:04 PM
I'd give them Mahinmi for him but I don't know if that would be enough. We need to get Plumlee in the rotation.

EDIT - I'm an idiot they need less pfs not more.

DGPR
11-18-2012, 09:07 PM
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I think burks would be a great get here especially with granger being down could slide Paul over to the three what would it take to get him?

Hasn't Paul already slid over to the three with Lance in the starting lineup? I wouldn't be opposed to getting Burks either way, but I'm just saying.

Sparhawk
11-18-2012, 10:23 PM
What has Burks done? Seems like another Rush to me.

Heisenberg
11-19-2012, 12:37 AM
What has Burks done? Seems like another Rush to me.

And that's supposed to be bad? Rush is a good player.

Goyle
11-19-2012, 01:29 AM
And that's supposed to be bad? Rush is a good player.

Yeah, Burks is nowhere near as good as Rush is right now. I definitely wouldn't mind taking a flyer on him if the price was right, but I can't really see us making a trade for another project at this point.

oz_pacer
11-19-2012, 02:44 AM
Hasn't Paul already slid over to the three with Lance in the starting lineup? I wouldn't be opposed to getting Burks either way, but I'm just saying.

Touché

Steagles
11-19-2012, 08:12 AM
I'd give them a lottery protected 1st/future lottery protected first for him. I think he will be a solid player down the road.

Sparhawk
11-19-2012, 08:24 AM
And that's supposed to be bad? Rush is a good player.

LOL The same guy the Pacers shipped out? Same guy that most on this board dogged? He's average on his best days. He probably could have been good if he wasn't so timid out there on the court.

I just don't see Burks doing anything in this league.

xIndyFan
11-19-2012, 10:08 AM
. . . I just don't see Burks doing anything in this league.

i tend to agree with you. Not saying Burks won't be anything, but Pacers don't need another guy. Pacers need another good player. Kind of a catch-22 thing. If Burks was the guy the Pacers need, he wouldn't be available.

Pacer Fan
11-19-2012, 10:26 AM
If Hibbert could get it turned around, maybe Jazz would go for Hibbert for Al and Burks. I'd do this just to get rid of Hibbert's contract.

Steagles
11-19-2012, 10:29 AM
If Hibbert could get it turned around, maybe Jazz would go for Hibbert for Al and Burks. I'd do this just to get rid of Hibbert's contract.

I'd throw in a future conditional pick for Kanter to be in the deal as well, or I wouldn't do this.

Ace E.Anderson
11-19-2012, 11:51 AM
I'd throw in a future conditional pick for Kanter to be in the deal as well, or I wouldn't do this.

IDK. Al is only signed for 2 more yrs. If he doesn't work out, that's a big contract coming off the books next season. If we could move Hibbert at this point, for a shorter contract AND a bump in production, you've gotta think about it.

joew8302
11-19-2012, 12:48 PM
Like someone else said, there is a reason that Burks is avaliable, and it is not because he is a really good player.

aamcguy
11-19-2012, 12:59 PM
If Hibbert could get it turned around, maybe Jazz would go for Hibbert for Al and Burks. I'd do this just to get rid of Hibbert's contract.

Why would they trade a more productive player and a young prospect for the lesser productive big man who also happens to have a longer, more expensive contract?

Justin Tyme
11-19-2012, 01:09 PM
Like someone else said, there is a reason that Burks is avaliable, and it is not because he is a really good player.


Not necessarily. It could be other reasons: Heywood plays the SG, he doesn't fit in the style of BB Utah plays, coach doesn't care for him, etc.

If Brown had had his way Rose would have been traded. That doesn't mean Rose was a bad player, it just means Rose wasn't a player Brown liked. Another coach by the name of Larry Bird showed that Rose was a good player. As I said it could be other reasons than he's a dud player.

Pacemaker
11-19-2012, 01:15 PM
See Gerald Green.


Like someone else said, there is a reason that Burks is avaliable, and it is not because he is a really good player.

joew8302
11-19-2012, 01:16 PM
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/alec_burks/career_stats.html

Here is a link to his numbers.

I won't lie, I haven't seen him play a ton. Unless he is a defensive stopper his numbers are not too impressive for a guy who can only play the two.

pacer4ever
11-19-2012, 01:19 PM
Burks is a terrible fit for the Jazz system. They want guys who move well without the ball and move the ball like Marvin Williams and Gordon. Burks just doesn't fit with what they do.

Justin Tyme
11-19-2012, 01:31 PM
Burks is a terrible fit for the Jazz system. They want guys who move well without the ball and move the ball like Marvin Williams and Gordon. Burks just doesn't fit with what they do.


So many times when a player is up for trade the mentality of some is the player has some type of bad problem or the team wouldn't want to trade them. It just can't be, b/c the system and the player don't fit. Thanks for your insight that disspells he's a problem player. It's much appreciated.

pacer4ever
11-19-2012, 01:44 PM
So many times when a player is up for trade the mentality of some is the player has some type of bad problem or the team wouldn't want to trade them. It just can't be, b/c the system and the player don't fit. Thanks for your insight that disspells he's a problem player. It's much appreciated.

I doubt they trade him but TY Corbin doesn't like him it seems. If he was available I would be all over him he is very talented on the offensive end of the floor just needs a chance. I don't think he will be given one as long as Corbin is the coach. But when they signed Foye to play over him it really made no sense so maybe they will shop him. Ty doesn't seem like the coach who lets the young kids grow and make mistakes. Both Kanter and Burks are on short leashes when they play. In fact it's much like JOB they have young kids who are better than the vets just crazy IMO. They arent winning with the vets play the kids.

EDIT: IMO if he has a coach who has confidence in him and lets him learn and play though mistakes the team will reap the benefits. I hate coaches who are so short sided and don't see the big picture. Both Kanter and Burks look over their shoulder when in because they fear they will get yanked for the smallest of mistakes that isnt how you develop young guys IMO. That is how you shatter confidence and rhythm that they have.

Burks would easily be our best player off the dribble he is better than Lance at it IMO. Would finally have a dynamic player who can create for others and get to the line off the bounce


also another b-rush isnt correct totally different players. I love b-rush and wish we didnt trade him I still miss him. However Burks is a much more aggressive scorer than Rush. Rush is a much better shooter and defender while Burks is much better at creating for others and himself.

Trophy
11-19-2012, 02:31 PM
He has so much potential and could become a real stud, but is being held back.

pacer4ever
11-19-2012, 05:15 PM
Burks was an above average player last year and that is a rookie who had no camp. He was only slightly above average but for a rookie who was 20 in his circumstances that is fantastic. This year he has been terrible but that's because he isn't in the rotation. Given the offense we run he would be almost a perfect wing for us. He creates and can post feed and that is what is required with what we run. Lance is the only wing on the roster who fits that criteria currently. Unless we change the offense we need players who fit Burks mold.


sparhawk saying what has Burks done is silly. That would be like asking what PG24 had done when JOB was giving him DNPCD's in favor of vets who weren't as good as him ala Dunleavy. PG was doing nothing was it his fault he wasn't getting PT even though he deserved it?

When JO was in Portland what had he done? Nothing because he wasn't given a chance so the "what has he done" angle doesn't fly with me. When he was given time last year he showed numbers like many all star previous have done but they got their shot in their 2nd and 3rd year to learn make mistakes and get better that Burks has yet to receive this year because of where he plays. He has the potential to be good if given the chance and with Danny's injury we have that chance for him.