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imawhat
11-17-2012, 01:47 AM
Did anyone else catch this on Twitter, directly from David Harrison? That's pretty shocking, if true.

Sandman21
11-17-2012, 01:51 AM
I saw that and laughed. It wouldn't have surprised me a bit to be true, seeing as Jim was a complete assclown and all.
No wonder he wouldn't talk to the media today....
On a side note, I find David Harrison's Twitter to be oddly informative.

Heisenberg
11-17-2012, 02:40 AM
I saw that and laughed. It wouldn't have surprised me a bit to be true, seeing as Jim was a complete assclown and all.
No wonder he wouldn't talk to the media today....
On a side note, I find David Harrison's Twitter to be oddly informative.
You can't tell much from a twitter feed, but he really does seem like he's done a lot of growing up, good for him.

Anyway, far as the thread topic, probably. No reason for Harrison to lie, hell if he's trying to get back into the NBA there's plenty of reasons to never say it. Just the 183738957th piece of evidence that JOB's a turd.

gummy
11-17-2012, 03:11 AM
Not so shocking really - at least not in the sense of it being surprising.

Sports are still rife with expressions of homophobia - it comes as part and parcel of the machismo.

Not disagreeing that JOB is a turd though. ;)

PGisthefuture
11-17-2012, 05:47 AM
I'm just wondering in what situations he called him a homo.

D0NT SH0OT ME
11-17-2012, 06:32 AM
I'm just wondering in what situations he called him a homo.

Probably every time he appeared in the game film. I'd assume it would happen similar to this:

"Watch Mike here guys, because everything he is doing is correct. See how he barely uses any energy while playing defense? That's exactly what we all need to do, because if we do that we can then quickly run down the court and jack up a contested three pointer. Now on this next play, watch David be a homo. Don't do anything that he is doing, because we don't need any more homos. We need more Mike Dunleavys. Just remember, Mike = Basketball God, David = Homo."

Heisenberg
11-17-2012, 07:21 AM
I'm just wondering in what situations he called him a homo.

why? it would make him less of a dbag if it was when he was boxing out or something?

Speed
11-17-2012, 07:25 AM
Crazy guy tweets about Ahole guy, hard to say what true.

Will Galen
11-17-2012, 08:57 AM
So maybe Jim called David a name because he didn't like how he did something.

Whats the big deal in that?

After all isn't that why some of you are calling Jim names . . . . . . because you didn't like how he coached?

owl
11-17-2012, 09:10 AM
After all isn't that why some of you are calling Jim names . . . . . . because you didn't like how he coached?


I suspect no one on here knows Jim Obrien personally nor D Harrison. I think the name calling should be dropped period.

Pacer Fan
11-17-2012, 10:22 AM
Better then a Douche Bag!

vnzla81
11-17-2012, 10:32 AM
I suspect no one on here knows Jim Obrien personally nor D Harrison. I think the name calling should be dropped period.

I don't think you need to know somebody to call them an a**.

Pacer Fan
11-17-2012, 10:43 AM
I suspect no one on here knows Jim Obrien personally nor D Harrison. I think the name calling should be dropped period.

Yea, so we shouldn't call MWP a nut case either! Actions and interviews just aren't enough info to suspect a mans character!

FlavaDave
11-17-2012, 10:48 AM
So maybe Jim called David a name because he didn't like how he did something.

Whats the big deal in that?

After all isn't that why some of you are calling Jim names . . . . . . because you didn't like how he coached?

I see your point, and it is a good one. You will never catch me calling any player or coach on any teams names (or any human being, period).

However, the specific issue is the word used. Even those whose throw stones in the glass house that is name calling are allowed to take issue with the use of an anti-gay slur.

Will Galen
11-17-2012, 11:37 AM
However, the specific issue is the word used. Even those whose throw stones in the glass house that is name calling are allowed to take issue with the use of an anti-gay slur.

I don't think the gay slur is the issue at all with most posters. I think the issue is peoples dislike of Job.

aamcguy
11-17-2012, 12:35 PM
If it was actually such a problem to him, you would think this would have come up about 5 years ago.

Naptown_Seth
11-17-2012, 12:55 PM
So maybe Jim called David a name because he didn't like how he did something.

Whats the big deal in that?

After all isn't that why some of you are calling Jim names . . . . . . because you didn't like how he coached?

Nope. We hate him because of how he interacted with what appeared to be pretty decent guys in a completely d***head manner. He's being judged by his "F that guy's effort, he's not really that good" comments, not by his massive incompetence as a coach.

Don't believe me? Look at the comments about Vogel with the slow start. NO ONE CALLS VOGEL A D-BAG, even with the poor play. Seems to me most people that are worried about Vogel's skill level still like him and want him to succeed.


Calling a jerk a jerk is like calling a fireman a fireman. I strongly suspect Harrison is not in fact gay and that JOB was not saying "David, because you date men you are a homosexual". It's pretty much not the same thing in any shape at all.

Naptown_Seth
11-17-2012, 01:03 PM
Yea, so we shouldn't call MWP a nut case either! Actions and interviews just aren't enough info to suspect a mans character!
Yep. And for that matter we should also stop saying that Roy's a good kid, that Andrew Luck seems nice, that Vogel is a very positive person, etc. We definitely need to stop handing out character awards to people who aren't direct family or very close friends. Who really knows if Mark Jackson was a good guy? Just from some interviews? We just can't really know.


;)

So frustrating. JOB has had many opportunities to shape his PUBLIC PERSONA. I'm not out there feeding him quotes to give to the public, nor am I telling players what to say. Yes, we COULD BE WRONG, but that's true in every POSITIVE image too. At some point you must judge on the limited evidence you have, and frankly I've yet to see much of anything in the way of "JOB was sure a good guy to me."

Freaking Jack and Rick fought like dogs during games, and yet Jack talks up Rick with tons of positives. Ron even was positive about Rick in the long run. Where is the McRoberts quote of "really JOB was right to insult my game and keep me on the bench, I kinda sucked and deserved to be put in my place"? JOB trashed the idea of Roy's improvement; Carlisle praised Artest's defense to the point that other coaches got ticked off by Rick's statistical campaign to win Ron DPOY....ie, just a tad bit supportive of a player that gave him every reason to not be.

Unclebuck
11-17-2012, 01:34 PM
Who was more of a jerk to the players? Jim O'Brien or Larry brown? I don't know, but I've heard worse about Brown. But brown gets a pass because he's a better coach.

overall I think this is a non-issue. But if you want to know all the names NBA coaches call players, it would be. Very long list. And a lot saltier than what is being discussed here

Brad8888
11-17-2012, 01:37 PM
It had to be a big misunderstanding, right?

Perhaps the esteemed and highly intelligent coach O'Brien was paying Mr. Harrison a compliment, referring to his tremendous strength being similar to those who came before us on the evolutionary tree.

Maybe after hearing the words "David, you went after that rebound with the strength and drive of Homo erectus, great job!", the exceptionally attentive and obviously clearminded Mr. Harrison simply failed to make the connection, and mistakenly assumed that both Homo and erectus were somehow unflattering references to his sexual preferences. Then when referencing it on Twitter, for the sake of brevity due to the shortage of available characters, David chose to omit "erectus" because he thought it simply was redundant and therefore irrelevant.

Lance George
11-17-2012, 01:41 PM
Not so shocking really - at least not in the sense of it being surprising.

Sports are still rife with expressions of homophobia - it comes as part and parcel of the machismo.

Not disagreeing that JOB is a turd though. ;)

Classy.

DonSwanson
11-17-2012, 01:45 PM
Is this thread a joke?

Natston
11-17-2012, 01:54 PM
I am sorry, but everyone in here is being a homosapien...

imawhat
11-17-2012, 02:20 PM
overall I think this is a non-issue. But if you want to know all the names NBA coaches call players, it would be. Very long list. And a lot saltier than what is being discussed here

I 100% disagree. I think we're at a point now where anti-gay and sexist slurs have joined racial slurs as off limits.

O'Brien crossed the line imo, and quite frankly as both a leader and as a parent of a special needs child, he should be even more tolerant and understanding of others situations/lifestyles than the average person.

DonSwanson
11-17-2012, 03:28 PM
I 100% disagree. I think we're at a point now where anti-gay and sexist slurs have joined racial slurs as off limits.

O'Brien crossed the line imo, and quite frankly as both a leader and as a parent of a special needs child, he should be even more tolerant and understanding of others situations/lifestyles than the average person.

And you are crossing the line for choosing to believe in gossip and the credibility of what appears to be a disgruntled former employee without harder facts to back it up.

Harrison sounds bitter towards his last employer. We all know people like this. I'm sure he'd be less bitter if he had been capable of landing an NBA job since 2008. Maybe he should have spent more time focusing on improving his rebounding and less time stewing. Seems that years later he still hasn't grown up. Say what you want about O'Brien, but I haven't heard a peep from him since his firing in 2011.

And please tell me... How do you know that O'Brien isn't more "understanding" of other situations compared to the average person? I do know that the man has spent a considerable amount of time helping and advocating on behalf of the homeless. He hasn't tossed the downtrodden aside or looked down upon them. I do know that he is devoted to his daughter who yes, has faced and overcome the type of challenges that most of us have never had to face. I do know that the man is not perfect, but I have always respected his work ethic and dedication to his craft.

I'm sure we could play this game with any player and any coach. As has been posted on this board previously, In 2007 Paul Pierce had this to say about the 6 seasons he spent with O'Brien in Boston.... ""He's a straight shooter type of guy," said Celtics forward Paul Pierce. "He demands a lot of his players. I'm surprised he has been out of coaching that long. I think we had a good relationship. We had an open relationship. He was real demanding of his players. I looked at him as one of those old-school coaches. He's a throwback coach. He preaches a lot of defense. He always preached about that."

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2007/11/12/obrien_finds_pace_just_right_in_indiana/

And yet Paul Pierce was critical of Coach George Karl in 2002. So what? Sometimes players like coaches and sometimes they don't and they are apt to try and smear them. When you win, as Pierce did with O'Brien in Boston when they advance to the conference finals, you tend to remember favorably the demanding mentors. But when we are ultimately unsuccessful, we are less likely to remember fondly the most demanding of mentors or teachers.

If five years from now a bitter Lance Stephenson were to throw a few shots at Frank Vogel, I'm sure that more of us would be embracing the presumption of innocence. Because the majority of us like Frank Vogel as a person. Remove your anti-O'Brien bias and don't let it color your entire perception of what is fair and what is right. We are better than that.

naptownmenace
11-17-2012, 03:51 PM
I have a rule that anything that David Harrison says should be ignored. That same rule applies to MWP and Jamaal Tinsley. That rule has served me well since they started destroying the chemistry of my favorite team.

Since86
11-17-2012, 05:02 PM
What a thread. A coach uses a homophobic slur to a player, and some posters are more worried about other posters using the term "turd." Wow.

Peck
11-17-2012, 05:04 PM
Who was more of a jerk to the players? Jim O'Brien or Larry brown? I don't know, but I've heard worse about Brown. But brown gets a pass because he's a better coach.

overall I think this is a non-issue. But if you want to know all the names NBA coaches call players, it would be. Very long list. And a lot saltier than what is being discussed here

I have never once though heard a single player ever say a negative word about Brown in the long term. In fact most players go very far out of thier way to not say anything bad about a previous coach.

However in Jim's case the list of players who will line up to talk bad about him are long and wide.

imawhat
11-17-2012, 05:19 PM
And you are crossing the line for choosing to believe in gossip and the credibility of what appears to be a disgruntled former employee without harder facts to back it up.

The last two words of my first post.



And please tell me... How do you know that O'Brien isn't more "understanding" of other situations compared to the average person? I do know that the man has spent a considerable amount of time helping and advocating on behalf of the homeless. He hasn't tossed the downtrodden aside or looked down upon them. I do know that he is devoted to his daughter who yes, has faced and overcome the type of challenges that most of us have never had to face. I do know that the man is not perfect, but I have always respected his work ethic and dedication to his craft.

That's what makes humans complicated beings. Al Capone opened a soup kitchen; not a good defense for his other behavior, just like Jim's work with the homeless doesn't excuse his press comments about our players or his reported behaviors.



Remove your anti-O'Brien bias and don't let it color your entire perception of what is fair and what is right.

I can't stand David Harrison. I think he's one of the biggest wastes of talent, but he just wrote something that could get him sued if not true. I don't know if it's true, but that's a very risky thing to say if not. And you're talking about what is fair and right, and I think that's way off base.

BlueNGold
11-17-2012, 05:22 PM
This seems like the kind of thread you might see in the late summer. ...and I'm really trying to forget those two guys...

gummy
11-17-2012, 06:23 PM
Probably every time he appeared in the game film. I'd assume it would happen similar to this:

"Watch Mike here guys, because everything he is doing is correct. See how he barely uses any energy while playing defense? That's exactly what we all need to do, because if we do that we can then quickly run down the court and jack up a contested three pointer. Now on this next play, watch David be a homo. Don't do anything that he is doing, because we don't need any more homos. We need more Mike Dunleavys. Just remember, Mike = Basketball God, David = Homo."

:laugh:

Lance George
11-17-2012, 07:04 PM
What a thread. A coach uses a homophobic slur to a player, and some posters are more worried about other posters using the term "turd." Wow.

It's not the word, per se, but the hatefulness and hurt behind that word. Unlike yourself, apparently, I believe in true equality, which means insulting and slandering someone is wrong regardless of their sexual preference. That includes gummy's personal attack against Jim O'Brien, which I found both vicious and classless, especially considering the lack of evidence that Jim O'Brien is anything other than a great human being.

Sookie
11-17-2012, 07:18 PM
I have never once though heard a single player ever say a negative word about Brown in the long term. In fact most players go very far out of thier way to not say anything bad about a previous coach.

However in Jim's case the list of players who will line up to talk bad about him are long and wide.

There were two players on our team that I never heard say anything negative (publicly) about JOB after he was fired. (who dealt with him for longer than six months) AJ Price and TJ Ford. And being who those two players are, I have to believe it has more to do with a personal belief that you don't talk negatively about a coach, than actual feelings about Jimmy.

It's so bad, that Brandon and Roy were talking about DC having to deal with JOB this year.

I think this is just another example of JOB being JOB. Nothing shocking. Apparently He wasn't speaking to Wells either.

We are talking about classy "good" guys here. Roy Hibbert and Tyler Hansbrough type of guys. (I mean really, when Tyler talks it's a big deal. And for anything but a politically correct statement to come out of his mouth...)

Dece
11-17-2012, 07:31 PM
For the record I think GRHibbert is being a turd and its comical to see his holier than thou attitude next to his Portland sucks picture.

Lance George
11-17-2012, 07:35 PM
For the record I think GRHibbert is being a turd and its comical to see his holier than thou attitude next to his Portland sucks picture.

Classy.

For the record: The Portland sucks avatar is subtle little joke; it's not meant to be taken seriously.

Heisenberg
11-17-2012, 07:42 PM
Subtle? This is getting as bad as literally.

DonSwanson
11-17-2012, 07:57 PM
The last two words of my first post.

I did read your first post, but your second post discarded the hypothetical. I'm sure that many fans on here are assuming that it's true. I agree with your general point that there is no place for these types of slurs.



That's what makes humans complicated beings. Al Capone opened a soup kitchen; not a good defense for his other behavior, just like Jim's work with the homeless doesn't excuse his press comments about our players or his reported behaviors.

I agree that opening a soup kitchen does not offset the criminal acts of a gangster. I like your remark about human beings being complicated because it's an underlying part of my message: Well-meaning fans may have had some philosophical differences with Coach O'Brien's coaching schemes and demanding approach, but I don't think it's right to then leap to the assumption that every single negative thing said about the man is probably true. Rick Carlisle and Frank Vogel also seem like reasonable men to me. My presumption is that Rick Carlisle would not have hired him--and Frank Vogel would not have worked for him in Boston, Philadelphia and Indiana--if he was the type of leader to use offensive slurs. That to me carries more weight than David Harrison barking for some attention on twitter.

O'Brien has never said anything in the media about his players that I have found personally offensive, but I respect that many looked at the issue differently. "Irrelevant--do it in a winning effort." "Roy needs to do better." A litmus test on who has the mental toughness to push through, because we didn't want sunshine patriots. I was fine with it and never understood all the fuss, but that's me.




I can't stand David Harrison. I think he's one of the biggest wastes of talent, but he just wrote something that could get him sued if not true. I don't know if it's true, but that's a very risky thing to say if not. And you're talking about what is fair and right, and I think that's way off base.

I'd say there is about a 1% chance of David Harrison being sued over this or other statements on twitter. I'm sure if he wanted to he could continue to smear O'Brien with impunity. And I'm sure Mike Wells will continue to draw attention to it, because he lacks the self-awareness to know any better.

gummy
11-17-2012, 08:01 PM
It's not the word, per se, but the hatefulness and hurt behind that word. Unlike yourself, apparently, I believe in true equality, which means insulting and slandering someone is wrong regardless of their sexual preference. That includes gummy's personal attack against Jim O'Brien, which I found both vicious and classless, especially considering the lack of evidence that Jim O'Brien is anything other than a great human being.

I find it interesting that you have mentioned my comment more than once even though I was responding in agreement to someone else who called JOB a turd first, which you've seen fit to ignore. Curious.

Nonetheless, I'll own up to the fact that it's not a particularly classy thing to say. Anyone who has paid the slightest bit of attention to my posts over the years knows that I almost always refrain from name calling. But, I'm human and sometimes things slip out. I think characterizing it as "vicious" is a bit over the top, really, but OK. Most everyone else knows that I don't know JOB personally and can infer that I am not making a comment on his character off the court. From what I know of him as a coach I do not like what I've seen one bit. We have plenty of evidence that he was a bad coach and not a very nice guy at all to many of his players. I suppose that all sounds nicer than agreeing that he is a turd, so there ya go.

Lance George
11-17-2012, 08:13 PM
Apology accepted.

DonSwanson
11-17-2012, 08:23 PM
I have never once though heard a single player ever say a negative word about Brown in the long term. In fact most players go very far out of thier way to not say anything bad about a previous coach.

However in Jim's case the list of players who will line up to talk bad about him are long and wide.

A big difference though is that most of the time Larry Brown had talented teams that were largely shoe-ins to have winning seasons. When you win, then of course the demanding coaches are seen in a more positive light. No one cared what a bunch of knucklehead nobodies on the Knicks had to say during Brown's disastrous season. And no one cares what a nobody like Darko Milicic has to say. Guys like Ben Wallace Rasheed Wallace and Chauncey Billups are tough-minded, persistent, non-fragile types, so of course they could handle a little sparring and they're not going to run home crying to momma. Most of the players on our team have already proven that they were not of that same level. They don't have the mental toughness that a young Paul Pierce had. Heck, Roy Hibbert continues to prove it over and over and over again. I've said it before and I'll say it again even though it was blasphemy to some when I made the point a year ago--I would rather have a healthy Anderson Varejao over a healthy Roy Hibbert. His rebounding and defense and toughness are always dependable, and the guy just knows how to play winning basketball. The very fact that Roy Hibbert was so bothered by little 'ole Jimmy O'Brien was enough for me to know that the guy was not deserving of a max deal. But that's another topic, and yeah, maybe we didn't have a choice.

When O'Brien won in Boston, there was not a "list of players who will line up to talk bad about him long and wide." To quote O'Brien from the prior link....

"We had a great thing going there," O'Brien said. "We had almost an ideal situation where I loved the players. They did it with their work ethic. As a result there was a close bond of players and coaching staff. We had a terrific couple years.

"[Watching the trades] was painful. A group like that is hard to replace. [Ainge] had his reasons to tear it down and build it up to win a championship. It was too painful for me."

Said Ainge: "He's a good coach. A good person. I wish him well. I have no ill feelings about Jim O'Brien. He just wasn't comfortable in the situation he was in. I understood it."

But yes... when you are losing... even if you are in the process of overachieving in terms of the win-loss column, well, losing is still losing. And after a couple of years it's difficult for a lot of players to continue to play for a very demanding coach when the reward of winning is not there immediately.

Stryder
11-17-2012, 09:03 PM
This thread is silly.

Drewtone
11-18-2012, 01:02 AM
It's not the word, per se, but the hatefulness and hurt behind that word. Unlike yourself, apparently, I believe in true equality, which means insulting and slandering someone is wrong regardless of their sexual preference. That includes gummy's personal attack against Jim O'Brien, which I found both vicious and classless, especially considering the lack of evidence that Jim O'Brien is anything other than a great human being.

This coming from the guy with the Portland Sucks avatar? Suicide capital is a 'subtle little joke'? :whoknows:

Naptown_Seth
11-18-2012, 09:11 PM
I have never once though heard a single player ever say a negative word about Brown in the long term. In fact most players go very far out of thier way to not say anything bad about a previous coach.

However in Jim's case the list of players who will line up to talk bad about him are long and wide.
A) I think Brown was/is a jerk and vastly overrated. Nearly every moment of success featured helpful roster changes just as he stepped in.

B) Eddie Johnson has trashed Brown with a specific story about how Reggie was busting it every practice, coming in first and leaving last, and yet Brown would still rip on him the most. The guys saw that and thought "what chance do I have if this guy thinks the hardest worker isn't trying".

Brown, like JOB, is the outdated old school jerk type that believes you must Marine boot camp style break everyone down to whimpering losers just so they will then buy into what you do and respect you as their leader. And that's been a big mistake in the era of high paid star athletes, especially the ones who have some brains and character. Tim Duncan doesn't want to hear how much he sucks, he wants to hear reason, respect and accountability.



Having said that, I agree with Peck that the line to trash JOB is drastically longer than the one for Brown. I'm just saying Brown was no saint and I really came to dislike him the more I learned and studied.


One of Brown's greatest turn-arounds was the Spurs. His first year with them he...did jack s***. His magic hadn't kicked in. But in year 2, boy did they learn from him. Like they learned how to add BOTH David Robinson and Sean Elliot in the same year due to David's Navy service delay.

Pacers only added Tony from Europe and then only added Jax. And then Brown didn't want Jax because he wanted Rose, who he then decided to prove a point to and benched him completely. Then he wanted Jax back in the very same season. This ran the team into the dirt and got his a** canned.

Brown was a classic case of "well he sure was better than the crappy coach" syndrome, where he replaced the underachieving Bob Hill who was wasting tons of talent and only got to stay because he had replaced the god awful Versace.

Brown knows some X's and O's, but he knows business and good situations even more. And he's kind of a selfish jerk.

MikeDC
11-19-2012, 12:59 AM
I'm just wondering in what situations he called him a homo.

I picture JOB in the role of Big Bob and David Harrison in the role of Harold and Kumar
.