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avoidingtheclowns
11-14-2012, 04:55 PM
I'VE HAD IT WITH<br>THESE MOTHERBUCKING<br>DEER ON THIS<br>MOTHERBUCKING PLANE!



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Game Time Start: 8:00 PM EST
Where: BMO Harris Bradley Center, Milwaukee, WI
Officials: J. Capers, T. Brown, D. Collins

Media Notes: Indiana Notes (http://www.nba.com/gamenotes/pacers.pdf), Milwaukee Notes (http://www.nba.com/gamenotes/bucks.pdf)
Television: FOX Sports Indiana / FOX Sports Wisconsin
Radio: WFNI 1070 AM / WTMU 620 AM
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Season Records: (W-L)




:xpacers:

http://i49.tinypic.com/e1589d.pnghttp://i49.tinypic.com/e1589d.png<center>3-5</center>
http://i49.tinypic.com/e1589d.png<center>Away: 1-4
East: 2-3</center>



:bucks:

http://i49.tinypic.com/e1589d.pnghttp://i49.tinypic.com/e1589d.png<center>4-2</center>
http://i49.tinypic.com/e1589d.png<center>Home: 1-2
East: 4-1</center>

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Upcoming Games:



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<center>Nov 16</center>
<center>Nov 18</center>
<center>Nov 19</center>



at :bucks:


vs :mavericks:


at :knicks:


at :wizards:




8:00pm


7:00pm


12:00pm


7:00pm


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http://www.nba.com/tvc/image/assets/wordmarks/IND_wordmark.png Projected Starting Lineup:



<center>http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/roy_hibbert.jpg</center>
<center>http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/david_west.jpg</center>
<center>http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/paul_george.jpg</center>
<center>http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/lance_stephenson.jpg</center>
<center>http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/george_hill.jpg</center>


<center>HIBBERT</center>
<center>WEST</center>
<center>GEORGE</center>
<center>STEPHENSON</center>
<center>HILL</center>



http://www.nba.com/tvc/image/assets/wordmarks/MIL_wordmark.png Projected Starting Lineup:



<center>http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/samuel_dalembert.jpg</center>
<center>http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/ersan_ilyasova.jpg</center>
<center>http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/tobias_harris.jpg</center>
<center>http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/monta_ellis.jpg</center>
<center>http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/brandon_jennings.jpg</center>


<center>DALEMBERT</center>
<center>ILYASOVA</center>
<center>HARRIS</center>
<center>ELLIS</center>
<center>JENNINGS</center>

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PACERS
Danny Granger - left knee tendinosis (out)
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BUCKS
Luc Mbah a Moute - right knee surgery rehab (out)



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Minimally Relevant Video:



Beware! Salty language below, if that concerns ye.


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Semi-Relevant Video:



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Eight Points, Nine Seconds Review:




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Jared Wade: Indy Plays So Bad that Even Historic Defense Doesn’t Allow Come Back

Right before the game, Pacers’ coach Frank Vogel said that his team hadn’t been able
to put together a complete game so far this year. They had shown flashes in each,
but it always fell off the rails at some point. “The first six games we had a stretch in
each game where a certain unit just got waxed,” said Vogel.

Tonight, that stretch lasted about 30 minutes. Indiana started off the game like
gangbusters, forcing turnovers and getting out on the break. Before long their easy-
bucket-aided offense looked swell and they were up nine. Then, nothing remotely
good seemed to happen for a half-hour of game time. The fourth quarter was better,
in the sense that the offense looked to re-find itself as Tyler Hansbrough and George
Hill reanimated a team that had looked like a waste of jersey detergent for much of
the night.

Unfortunately, as the Indiana defense put the clamps on a gassed Toronto offense,
the Pacers just couldn’t make shots. They were getting good ones, too, for the first
time all game (although they also passed up a few good jumpers they should have
taken). For the game, they shot 16-for-38 inside 8 feet, and an impressive 0-for-5
from 8 to 16 feet, according to NBA.com.

Here is their fourth quarter shooting chart. At first glance, it may look like more
mid-range jumpers than you would want. But two from to the top of the key by
Gerald Green and Hill were both fine looks in rhythm so they weren’t all ill-advised.
Moreover, look at all the missed shots in the paint.


http://i47.tinypic.com/nujjp.png (http://www.eightpointsnineseconds.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/shooting-4th.png)
The important part to getting some good looks was the spacing: They were
spreading the floor, getting both ball and player movement for the first time
all night. They looked good after dozens and dozens of terrible, wasted, awful
possessions.

And on the the other end, they were truly excellent, as the Raptors couldn’t
even conceive of getting a good shot.

Just look at all those Xs. They shot 1-for-15 in the quarter. That is 6.7%. Six.
Point. Seven. And they won. Which was historic....CONTINUE READING AT 8p9s (http://www.eightpointsnineseconds.com/2012/11/post-game-grades-indy-plays-so-bad-early-vs-toronto-that-even-historic-defense-doesnt-allow-them-to-come-back/)


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Bucksketball





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Danny Granger vs. Luc Mbah a Moute: Indiana Pacers SF breaks the mold

Indiana Pacers SF Danny Granger has done something LeBron James, Kevin Durant
and Carmelo Anthony have not over the course of the last three seasons: he has
played well against Milwaukee Bucks SF Luc Mbah a Moute.

Milwaukee Bucks forward Luc Mbah a Moute is perimeter defense expert who has a
proven record of suppressing scoring stats for NBA stars like LeBron James, Kevin
Durant and Carmelo Anthony. Surprisingly, Indiana Pacers small forward Danny
Granger has fared better than anyone in the aforementioned trio when going against
LRMAM. Granger is not as strong or as quick and LeBron, he's not as accurate from
long range as Durant and he's not as talented as Melo, but he is the only one who
boosted his production against Luc. It's Granger than fiction...

...unless it's not. To take my initial point at face value would be risky. Nay, it would
be downright Grangerous. The comparisons to LBJ, KD and Melo are a double-edged
sword. Production is graded out relative to normal averages, and Granger doesn't
match the baseline numbers those other three guys have put up in most scoring
categories.

It's the problem I've pointed out with Brandon Jennings many times: improvement
from a low baseline level does not always imply better production than what occurs
with a decline from a high baseline level. Even so, Granger has somehow managed
to play better against LRMAM than he has against the rest of the league, which isn't
something many players can say.


What are you doing?
I've combined three seasons worth of stats for each player in a select group of top-
end perimeter scorers (Danny Granger in this edition), and compared production
levels to when Luc Mbah a Moute is on the court with that player. The basic
assumption is that LRMAM matched up with Granger in man-to-man situations, or
at least that he made a direct impact on Granger's production. If we can't assume
that much, what's an ace perimeter defender good for anyways?


What does it mean?
The sample size for each on-court "matchup" is too small to be predictive of future
performance -- LRMAM and Granger shared the court for 223 minutes over the last
three years -- so the findings are merely descriptive. In other words, this is a strict
evaluation of what has already happened, not any grand pronouncement that future
matchups will proceed along the exact same lines.


What did you find?

http://i47.tinypic.com/332o428.png (http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1488677/Granger_large.PNG)


Notes & Observations
Granger manages to play well against Luc in part because he's not a star player of
the magnitude of LeBron James, Kevin Durant or Carmelo Anthony. Danny gets to
play off-ball...CONTINUE READING AT BREW HOOP (http://www.brewhoop.com/2012/10/5/3452228/danny-granger-indiana-pacers-2012)

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Gothic Ginobili Review:




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Small Market Mondays #2: "The Buck Stops Here!" Mike Dunleavy MVP Watch


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Former Indiana Pacers superstar Mike Dunleavy, heavy favorite in the 2012-2013
MVP race, was posting an astronomical PER of 27.12 on 70% shooting and leading
his beloved Buckaroos to an undefeated record at this time last week. Until they
played the powerhouse Grizzlies, that is. The Bucks lost that game by 18 as
Dunleavy only made 4 of 10 shots but that wasn't the worst of it. After thoroughly
handling the Wizards on Friday night, Dunleavy received some terrifying news:
his father was in consideration to be the next coach of the classless Los Angeles
Lakers. This terrible news rocked Dunleavy to his very core as his posted a season
low 14 minutes in his next game against the Celtics, a 4-point loss which they
definitely would've won had their MVD ("Most Valuable Dunleavy", not "Most
Venereal Disease") not been traumatized by the news. He became so angered at
these developments that he flew into a fit of understandable rage and tried
desperately to exact physical revenge on the Celtics, fouling 4 times in his 14
minutes! Should he not be able to get over this disgusting news, we might be
forced to change our MVP watch to another deserving Small Market Superstar.

Sometimes, the brightest stars really do die out the quickest.


READ MORE AT GOTHIC GINOBILI (http://gothicginobili.com/?p=5058)


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140 Characters of (Non-PD) Coverage



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Pacers
Mike Wells @MikeWellsNBA (https://twitter.com/#!/MikeWellsNBA)
Jared Wade @8pts9secs (https://twitter.com/#!/8pts9secs)
Tim Donahue @TimDonahue8p9s (https://twitter.com/#!/TimDonahue8p9s)
Tom Lewis @indycornrows (https://twitter.com/#!/IndyCornrows)


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Bucks
Charles F. Gardner @cf_gardner (https://twitter.com/cf_gardner)
Jeremy Schmidt @Bucksketball (https://twitter.com/Bucksketball)
K L Chouinard @AnaheimAmigos (https://twitter.com/AnaheimAmigos)
Frank Madden @brewhoop (https://twitter.com/brewhoop)


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aamcguy
11-14-2012, 05:22 PM
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BlueCollarColts
11-14-2012, 05:23 PM
very tough game tonight but if we can win I can take a deep breath, because this is a good Milwaukee team, George Hill and Paul George need to play well

Trophy
11-14-2012, 05:34 PM
We better win this and we better pound them.

I'm getting sick of these close games that aren't even worth sweating out because we've ended up losing them. Most of them have been to mediocre teams.

:gopacers:

BlueCollarColts
11-14-2012, 05:42 PM
We better win this and we better pound them.

I'm getting sick of these close games that aren't even worth sweating out because we've ended up losing them. Most of them have been to mediocre teams.

:gopacers:
we are 3-4 in close games with Hibbert unable to make a lay-up, and Granger being out......chill.......

Trophy
11-14-2012, 05:45 PM
we are 3-4 in close games with Hibbert unable to make a lay-up, and Granger being out......chill.......

3-5. :(

I know we're only 8 games into the season, but it's very frustrating watching this knowing how much better this team is. With or without Granger.

Sparhawk
11-14-2012, 06:10 PM
Jennings and Monta are good at getting steals. I hope our guys are actually prepared tonight. I don't want a turnover fest.

immortality
11-14-2012, 06:37 PM
Even if we lose, I just want Hibbert to show up, watching him has been painful :/.

MiaDragon
11-14-2012, 06:49 PM
we are 3-4 in close games with Hibbert unable to make a lay-up, and Granger being out......chill.......

to scrub teams........

Mr_Smith
11-14-2012, 07:04 PM
Monta Ellis is gonna destroy us and have his way as usual....

Trophy
11-14-2012, 07:07 PM
Monta Ellis is gonna destroy us and have his way as usual....

Hopefully Paul is going up against him and is on him like glue to at least try and slow him down, but Ellis has been known to light it up against us in his career.

Kosmo Yagkoto
11-14-2012, 07:23 PM
I am hopeful for tonight, this is as "must win" as any game early in this season can be.

imbtyler
11-14-2012, 07:34 PM
**** the Bucks.

QuickRelease
11-14-2012, 07:35 PM
I think this is going to be the game where enough is enough.

vnzla81
11-14-2012, 07:38 PM
I think they are going to win or something like that.

Sparhawk
11-14-2012, 07:44 PM
I think they are going to win or something like that.

Dude, wait, what?

mattie
11-14-2012, 07:45 PM
I watched the highlight video posted above. Roy had 23/14 against the Bucks. Seems like a lifetime ago. Granger looked like a stud scoring 21. Those were the days.

mattie
11-14-2012, 07:45 PM
lol

LoneGranger33
11-14-2012, 07:48 PM
Good news, vnzla81! Danny Granger is highly unlikely to outperform Monta Ellis tonight.

Pacer Fan
11-14-2012, 07:48 PM
Play Roy, West, Tyler, Paul and George. Play 3 man in the box and let George shoot 20 times and let Paul shoot 30 times. Jennings can't stop George and Ellis can't stop Paul. Win freakin Win!

vnzla81
11-14-2012, 07:50 PM
Magic just said that "the Pacers are there" lol

Magic P
11-14-2012, 07:53 PM
Ellis is shooting 25% from three point land this season which means he'll hit 75% of his three's tonight

LoneGranger33
11-14-2012, 07:53 PM
It's a shame I've got the home feed tonight. Was hoping to hear the best ever Pacers-related catch phrase, "Quisy for Threesy!"

vnzla81
11-14-2012, 07:56 PM
Hopefully Tyler punches Suckleavy.

TMJ31
11-14-2012, 07:56 PM
Time to bounce back!

:gopacers:

Pacer Fan
11-14-2012, 07:58 PM
Hopefully Tyler punches Suckleavy.

Suckleavy would be an upgrade for us right now!

mattie
11-14-2012, 08:00 PM
Mmm ugly, poorly executed basketball. Indiana may have a chance in this one.

TMJ31
11-14-2012, 08:01 PM
Roy went straight up!

imbtyler
11-14-2012, 08:02 PM
Referees already full of **** tonight.

vnzla81
11-14-2012, 08:02 PM
I have a feeling that the book in how to stop West is out.

Dr. Awesome
11-14-2012, 08:02 PM
Each game I start watching hoping to find that things are starting to click...


...each game I realize more and more, that this is probably the worst Pacers team since the day after the brawl.

LoneGranger33
11-14-2012, 08:02 PM
There's so much unnecessary motion in our offense.

cdash
11-14-2012, 08:04 PM
Roy has some poor body language.

MiaDragon
11-14-2012, 08:05 PM
Lolz love my pacers

TMJ31
11-14-2012, 08:05 PM
Take. Care. Of. The. Ball. PLEASE.

MiaDragon
11-14-2012, 08:05 PM
Roy has some poor body language.

Roy has poor everything.

gummy
11-14-2012, 08:06 PM
We still can't make open shots so far.

How is it that this is the ninth game and I've only had the Pacers feed ONCE!? Aaaargh.

Dr. Awesome
11-14-2012, 08:06 PM
Roy has some poor body language.

Outside of Stephenson, Hansbrough, and sometimes Hill/West, the whole team does.

George might be the greatest disappointment since Tinsley.

ColeTheMole
11-14-2012, 08:06 PM
Roy has poor everything.

Except pocketbook. Sorry. Had to.

MiaDragon
11-14-2012, 08:06 PM
Referees already full of **** tonight.

Just a continuation from last night.

aamcguy
11-14-2012, 08:07 PM
This was a tough start

cdash
11-14-2012, 08:08 PM
GUYS. THE ****ING TURNOVERS.

MiaDragon
11-14-2012, 08:08 PM
This was a tough start

Seems to be a theme huh

DGPR
11-14-2012, 08:08 PM
This team is terrible, it really is heartbreaking.

MiaDragon
11-14-2012, 08:08 PM
****ing ********, Frank needs to be shown the door tonight.

LoneGranger33
11-14-2012, 08:08 PM
Which Pacer will be the last to record a turnover?

TMJ31
11-14-2012, 08:08 PM
Milwaukee is on pace for 48 steals.

aamcguy
11-14-2012, 08:08 PM
C'mon Vogel, we need a good ol fashioned benching

gummy
11-14-2012, 08:09 PM
***********!

Roy has less than zero confidence on the court right now.

Mr_Smith
11-14-2012, 08:09 PM
Ok I'm done

LucasRL13
11-14-2012, 08:09 PM
OMG 5 attacks, 5 turnovers

vnzla81
11-14-2012, 08:10 PM
Samuel Dalembert could have also been an option for backup, he is making 6mil a year by the way, yep 2 more than Mahinmi.

Dr. Hibbert
11-14-2012, 08:10 PM
LOL at Pacers fans who think this team will still make the playoffs.

mattie
11-14-2012, 08:10 PM
It's amazing how different Indiana does, and has operated for a long time versus every other professional sports franchise in the country. Any other fratnchise regardless as to sport, the head coach would be on the hot seat. Frank isn't. Even though his team is playing like ****.

LA fired a far more successful coach already and ours doesn't even have any job security issues to worry about. Amazing.

Dr. Awesome
11-14-2012, 08:10 PM
Holy ****. Seriously.

**** EVERY LAST PACER ON THE COURT RIGHT NOW.

No heart, no desire, no will. Everyone of them should be ****ing ashamed to put on a Pacers jersey. Even when we sucked in the past, at least they put forth effort, this is down right horrible. I do not want to see 90% of these guys ever wear a Pacers jersey again. I'd rather bring some talentless guy up from the NBDL so long as he puts forth an effort.

TMJ31
11-14-2012, 08:10 PM
LOL at Pacers fans who think this team will still make the playoffs.

Oh, we will. Don't worry.

crunk-juice
11-14-2012, 08:11 PM
i'm 12 and wut is this

cdash
11-14-2012, 08:11 PM
Guys, it's only the 9th game. Don't panic. The sky is not falling.


****ing Christ.

vnzla81
11-14-2012, 08:11 PM
Only down 14 lol

LoneGranger33
11-14-2012, 08:11 PM
The good news is that we'll see some solid minutes from Miles Plumlee and Ben Hansbrough tonight.

Kid Minneapolis
11-14-2012, 08:12 PM
Lol....

Eleazar
11-14-2012, 08:12 PM
still can't shoot

Ace E.Anderson
11-14-2012, 08:13 PM
As I said before, anyone who thinks this is just a "rough patch" is kidding themselves lol.

It took 7 mins for MIL to make us struggle

MiaDragon
11-14-2012, 08:13 PM
We cant even make ****ing FT's

3rdStrike
11-14-2012, 08:13 PM
Only down 14 lol

Hard to believe but it's worse than the numbers suggest. Every time the Pacers have the ball on offense I want to close my eyes. The play calls are beyond pathetic.

vnzla81
11-14-2012, 08:13 PM
Only 9 games don't worry they will get it right ......

TMJ31
11-14-2012, 08:14 PM
Sorry, I just refuse to write off this team. Let's see if we can't get back in this thing. It's only seven minutes into the game.

Dr. Hibbert
11-14-2012, 08:14 PM
I don't even know what you do. I miss the 8 Seconds Saloon days.

aamcguy
11-14-2012, 08:14 PM
Well, we're only losing by 1 point over twice the points we have scored

PacersForever
11-14-2012, 08:14 PM
EVERYONE IS SCARED OF TE ****ING RIM !!!!!!! WHYYYYY ??

MiaDragon
11-14-2012, 08:14 PM
Sorry, I just refuse to write off this team. Let's see if we can't get back in this thing. It's only seven minutes into the game.

24 to 7

DGPR
11-14-2012, 08:15 PM
This team needs a pretty big shake up before we lose the entire season.

vnzla81
11-14-2012, 08:15 PM
Great pass by Jennings wow.

Eddie Gill
11-14-2012, 08:15 PM
HOLY ****!

notque
11-14-2012, 08:15 PM
Hey! Hibbert remembered how to dunk!

Ace E.Anderson
11-14-2012, 08:15 PM
Outscored by Samuel Dalembert...

Ladies nd gentlemen these are our Indiana Pacers!!

LucasRL13
11-14-2012, 08:15 PM
24-7 :'(

focused444
11-14-2012, 08:16 PM
objectively speaking, a pro basketball team that isn't good at shooting is comical...

Kid Minneapolis
11-14-2012, 08:16 PM
Tyler never gives up. Nice feed to Roy.

Eddie Gill
11-14-2012, 08:16 PM
Tyler with the nice dish!

mattie
11-14-2012, 08:16 PM
I wouldn't mind writing off the season. Dump West, dump Granger lets get some draft picks, and a lottery pick and sign a FA this offseason. ********.

PacersForever
11-14-2012, 08:16 PM
TYLER IS THE ONLY ONE THAT'S NOT SCARED OF THE RIM AND LOOK HE GOT HIBBERT A DUNK FROM IT.

Ace E.Anderson
11-14-2012, 08:16 PM
Hey! Hibbert remembered how to dunk!

Lol he damn near misses it. It's been so long he prob had to time his steps right

vnzla81
11-14-2012, 08:16 PM
9 to 24 :lol:

3rdStrike
11-14-2012, 08:17 PM
Hey! Hibbert remembered how to dunk!

Does that count as a dunk? lol Nice pass by...Hansbrough?!

LoneGranger33
11-14-2012, 08:17 PM
It's a shame the Pistons and Wizards got such a great head start on us in the race to the 1st pick.

Kid Minneapolis
11-14-2012, 08:18 PM
Tyler!

notque
11-14-2012, 08:18 PM
TYLER SMASH!

gummy
11-14-2012, 08:18 PM
This is the worst yet. Our talent level is not this bad. Almost the entire team needs to see the sports psychiatrist. Maybe the coaching staff too. No chemistry, no intensity, no confidence. There's no coach in the league that could lead a group this mentally whipped to success.

What I don't understand about it is - while we have disagreements about Vogel's X's and O's abilities we all pretty much agree that the guy is a very good motivator. So how the hell did this team get so mentally defeated? It can't all be about Granger's absence, can it?

vnzla81
11-14-2012, 08:18 PM
Tyler is the only one that cares.

MiaDragon
11-14-2012, 08:18 PM
Down by 16 in the first with time left, wow.

cdash
11-14-2012, 08:19 PM
Do we really miss Danny Granger this much? I cannot figure out why this team looks so, so wretched.

rock747
11-14-2012, 08:19 PM
Lol at people on here that were still defending this team..

TMJ31
11-14-2012, 08:19 PM
Nice Block Roy!!!

Kid Minneapolis
11-14-2012, 08:20 PM
I like Roy gettin involved and being assertive these last few plays, this is what he needs.

Phree Refill
11-14-2012, 08:20 PM
**** this. Put in Plumlee, B Hansbrough, and Pendergraph. I'd sure as **** rather lose with players that actually play their hearts out than this passive going-through-the-motions ********.

TMJ31
11-14-2012, 08:20 PM
Lol at people on here that were still defending this team..

You know what?

If you don't want to encounter Indiana Pacers fans who support the Indiana Pacers during an Indiana Pacers game.

I recommend leaving the Indiana Pacers forum.

Jeez man.

Heisenberg
11-14-2012, 08:21 PM
Vogel should listen to whoever he's yelling "Don't tell me how to coach" at

vnzla81
11-14-2012, 08:22 PM
Green is going for a career high against Suckleavy.

cdash
11-14-2012, 08:22 PM
Who is Dunleavy guarding? Give the ball to them, tell them to attack the rim every time down the floor.

billbradley
11-14-2012, 08:22 PM
Vogel should listen to whoever he's yelling "Don't tell me how to coach" at

Yea, what was that?

MiaDragon
11-14-2012, 08:23 PM
Vogel should listen to whoever he's yelling "Don't tell me how to coach" at

If that's happening that's awesome. Someone buy that fan a beer!!

Aw Heck
11-14-2012, 08:24 PM
Who'da thunk that Granger is the Peyton Manning of the Pacers?

At this point, I certainly hope the Pacers don't make the playoffs. Any team that is this dependent on a soon-to-be 30-year old player with a bum knee is not a team with a bright future. Or present, apparently. The Pacers need more talent. Better chance of doing that in the lottery now that the Pacers have used up their capspace.

notque
11-14-2012, 08:24 PM
And a technical on George Hill. This is just horrid.

vnzla81
11-14-2012, 08:24 PM
I hope they don't fire Vogel as an excuse for their mistakes they are the ones that put that horrible team on the floor.

aamcguy
11-14-2012, 08:24 PM
I guess the Bucks didn't get the memo that we like to keep our scores in the low to mid 80s

rock747
11-14-2012, 08:25 PM
You know what?

If you don't want to encounter Indiana Pacers fans who support the Indiana Pacers during an Indiana Pacers game.

I recommend leaving the Indiana Pacers forum.

Jeez man.

Ha. I support them. Have my whole life, but to think that the way they're playing now is just a fluke is ridiculous...

granger4mvp
11-14-2012, 08:25 PM
You know what?

If you don't want to encounter Indiana Pacers fans who support the Indiana Pacers during an Indiana Pacers game.

I recommend leaving the Indiana Pacers forum.

Jeez man.

Amen to that gets old

IndySDExport
11-14-2012, 08:25 PM
Anyone guess Pacers 68 to Bucks 132 on the Guess the score forum?

notque
11-14-2012, 08:25 PM
I guess the Bucks didn't get the memo that we like to keep our scores in the low to mid 80s

low to mid 80s? Hell, I'd be pretty stoked if we hit 80!

cdash
11-14-2012, 08:25 PM
This board is about to erupt in Civil War.

Ace E.Anderson
11-14-2012, 08:26 PM
Lmfao Tyler got swallowed underneath

Ballerzfan
11-14-2012, 08:26 PM
well we didn't score but at least we drove into the lane for the first possession of this quarter

TMJ31
11-14-2012, 08:26 PM
Ha. I support them. Have my whole life, but to think that the way they're playing now is just a fluke is ridiculous...

So how does just bashing them help?

There are signs of positive things, and we've had A LOT go wrong for us.

Why not focus on the things that can improve instead of just continually berating and laughing at our own team we 'support'?

3rdStrike
11-14-2012, 08:26 PM
Idk about you guys, but I definitely have something I'm looking forward to this season: Vogel's firing. Not sure why people think this team plays great defense, either...

notque
11-14-2012, 08:26 PM
This board is about to erupt in Civil War.

Those that think we suck vs. those that think we are only pathetic?

MiaDragon
11-14-2012, 08:27 PM
Its so nice to watch an actual offence at work. Wish my Pacers could get one.

vnzla81
11-14-2012, 08:27 PM
This board is about to erupt in Civil War.

Lol

DaveP63
11-14-2012, 08:27 PM
Cannot throw it in the ocean right now.

notque
11-14-2012, 08:28 PM
Paul George with the iso airball.

Heisenberg
11-14-2012, 08:28 PM
we're down 19 to the Bucks after 13 minutes. people are just in denial at this point.

rock747
11-14-2012, 08:28 PM
So how does just bashing them help?

There are signs of positive things, and we've had A LOT go wrong for us.

Why not focus on the things that can improve instead of just continually berating and laughing at our own team we 'support'?

I'm just being a realist. I sincerely hope that I am wrong.

notque
11-14-2012, 08:29 PM
we're down 19 to the Bucks after 13 minutes. people are just in denial at this point.

It's not bad offense, it's just 9 games of open looks not falling....

MiaDragon
11-14-2012, 08:29 PM
I hope they don't fire Vogel as an excuse for their mistakes they are the ones that put that horrible team on the floor.

He is a major part of the problem, the sooner he goes the better.

crunk-juice
11-14-2012, 08:29 PM
Guys, it's only the 9th game. Don't panic. The sky is not falling.


****ing Christ.

you're doing what?

cdash
11-14-2012, 08:29 PM
So how does just bashing them help?

There are signs of positive things, and we've had A LOT go wrong for us.

Why not focus on the things that can improve instead of just continually berating and laughing at our own team we 'support'?

The berating and laughing at our team keeps us from crying. Because what we are watching is a disgrace, frankly. The effort, the body language, everything about the way this team is playing makes me want to vomit. I appreciate Hill, Lance, Tyler, and West because it looks like they still give a ****.

TMJ31
11-14-2012, 08:29 PM
I'm just being a realist. I sincerely hope that I am wrong.

I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, but being a realist and saying that people who still believe in this team are in denial are two very different things.

rel
11-14-2012, 08:30 PM
Paul needs to MAN UP with this lineup. He needs to learn how to be selfish when he's the best guy on the floor...

cdash
11-14-2012, 08:30 PM
you're doing what?

****ing Christ.

TMJ31
11-14-2012, 08:31 PM
There ya go, Gerald!

cdash
11-14-2012, 08:31 PM
Finally! A good cut met with a good pass and easy points. Why can't we do that more often?

Ace E.Anderson
11-14-2012, 08:31 PM
Some things never change....Mike D still can't guard a soul

3rdStrike
11-14-2012, 08:31 PM
I actually like this lineup on offense. Not on defense, though. But on offense they move the rock.

aamcguy
11-14-2012, 08:32 PM
We finally look like we have something to play for. I think next game we should do it before we're down 20.

MiaDragon
11-14-2012, 08:32 PM
IM SO SICK OF OUR INABILITY TO BLOCKOUT

Dr. Awesome
11-14-2012, 08:32 PM
Paul needs to MAN UP with this lineup. He needs to learn how to be selfish when he's the best guy on the floor...

I think Paul is a lost cause.

Brian Shaw told him this off season that the team is going to go as far as Paul takes them...clearly he just doesn't care.

gummy
11-14-2012, 08:32 PM
****ing Christ.

:laugh:

Ask an obvious question, get an obvious answer!

PacersForever
11-14-2012, 08:33 PM
Know what's wrong with this team ? It's not Danny granger, it's not the players. It's frank Vogel !!!


These plays Vogel is making the team run are not for these players.

We need cuts to the hoop from our wing players. We are trying to post the big guys far from te hoop so they take tuff shots. If we don't feed it to the post we take contested 3's late in the shot clock or tuff mid range shots.

Plays need to be run to get cuts.
That allows for easier hoops, foul shots, better post position for the big men.
All these screens at the 3 point line are garbage and players don't know what to do !

Ballerzfan
11-14-2012, 08:33 PM
It's not bad offense, it's just 9 games of open looks not falling....

Unfortunately most of the "Looks" we are getting are not close to the basket. We look like an Obrien team forcing floor spacing...

billbradley
11-14-2012, 08:33 PM
I think Paul is a lost cause.

Brian Shaw told him this off season that the team is going to go as far as Paul takes them...clearly he just doesn't care.

He's more Ariza than any Star.

rock747
11-14-2012, 08:33 PM
I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, but being a realist and saying that people who still believe in this team are in denial are two very different things.

Well not if I believe they are in denial....

CableKC
11-14-2012, 08:34 PM
Paul needs to MAN UP with this lineup. He needs to learn how to be selfish when he's the best guy on the floor...
I don't think that he has it in him to be that guy. Granger....despite having...at times...bad shot selection......he has no problem being the guy that wants to take that last shot. PG...I don't think that he has that "fire" that Granger, GH and West has....or at the very least...he has not stepped up and demanded to be that guy.

3rdStrike
11-14-2012, 08:34 PM
I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, but being a realist and saying that people who still believe in this team are in denial are two very different things.

If you believe this team, as is, with the same roster and coach are going to magically turn the season around and head back to the playoffs then it appears that you are indeed in denial. You can believe because you're a fan and it makes you feel good, but you're just covering your eyes at this point.

1984
11-14-2012, 08:35 PM
Somewhere, Mark Cuban is laughing hysterically.

CableKC
11-14-2012, 08:36 PM
I think Paul is a lost cause.

Brian Shaw told him this off season that the team is going to go as far as Paul takes them...clearly he just doesn't care.
There has been nothing to suggest that he doesn't care......I take it more that this is just not in him to simply take over.

focused444
11-14-2012, 08:36 PM
wish we got 5 points for every david west scowl

Magic P
11-14-2012, 08:36 PM
My eye has been on PG and dude is so passive it makes me sick.

TMJ31
11-14-2012, 08:36 PM
If you believe this team, as is, with the same roster and coach are going to magically turn the season around and head back to the playoffs then it appears that you are indeed in denial. You can believe because you're a fan and it makes you feel good, but you're just covering your eyes at this point.

Ok, cool.

I think I am going to keep a list of all the folks here saying this.

CableKC
11-14-2012, 08:37 PM
If you believe this team, as is, with the same roster and coach are going to magically turn the season around and head back to the playoffs then it appears that you are indeed in denial. You can believe because you're a fan and it makes you feel good, but you're just covering your eyes at this point.
Could you clarify what you mean by "same roster"?

QuickRelease
11-14-2012, 08:37 PM
Sigh

1984
11-14-2012, 08:37 PM
I just want to hit frank Vogel

cdash
11-14-2012, 08:38 PM
The turnovers. The mother****ing turnovers. I swear to ****ing Christ...

notque
11-14-2012, 08:38 PM
Can we fire Vogel at halftime?

vnzla81
11-14-2012, 08:38 PM
And that is my guy Monta in action :D

oxxo
11-14-2012, 08:38 PM
This is pathetic execution and effort. The complete lack of effort is the infuriating part.

Heisenberg
11-14-2012, 08:38 PM
Wells needs to have a long sit down with Pritchard and Walsh. We need answers.

rock747
11-14-2012, 08:38 PM
Ok, cool.

I think I am going to keep a list of all the folks here saying this.

I think everyone saying this hopes they are wrong... If you can throw this back in my face 30 games from now I will be elated.

Trader Joe
11-14-2012, 08:39 PM
We're just not very good at basketball.

QuickRelease
11-14-2012, 08:39 PM
Somewhere, Mark Cuban is laughing hysterically.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-w8H-PsaByos/Tg1OqcyWewI/AAAAAAAAASo/23MEw7wPHZ8/s1600/Cuban.jpg

3rdStrike
11-14-2012, 08:39 PM
Could you clarify what you mean by "same roster"?

Without a trade.

Eddie Gill
11-14-2012, 08:39 PM
To this team:
http://youtu.be/hF6McQXWu78

gummy
11-14-2012, 08:39 PM
**** everything. Everything!

:mad:

LucasRL13
11-14-2012, 08:40 PM
Bye guys, Im tired of this ****, believe me, this is the worst Pacer team ever, worst than Murphy, Dunleavy, Watson, etc...team...

This is insane, what happened to the team of 2011/2012???
OMG, Im just tired of watching the game, and every day is the same ****

D-BONE
11-14-2012, 08:40 PM
Vogel looks like a deer in the headlights.

This looks like a sinking ship.

And if you want to see real D, meet the Milwaukee Bucks.

Jose31917
11-14-2012, 08:40 PM
Roy having a fit on the bench.... how about manning up and doing something on the floor...

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pacer4ever
11-14-2012, 08:40 PM
Can we fire Vogel at halftime?
Wonder if the coach would be Roy's excuse again for playing like a pussy. Was when we fired JOB. Roy needs someone to blame. I lol when he blamed JOB for him having no confidence.

eric1516
11-14-2012, 08:41 PM
That's what we need more of, Paul!

Ace E.Anderson
11-14-2012, 08:41 PM
Vogel's fake positive reinforcement bit is old. Lol

Trader Joe
11-14-2012, 08:41 PM
The thing our offense misses the most is Granger's mid range shooting. No one can shoot from mid range on this team consistently. West hasn't even been able to hit from there.

rock747
11-14-2012, 08:41 PM
Brick, Brick, Brick, Brick.......

Derek2k3
11-14-2012, 08:42 PM
Haven't read a live game thread in a while...


http://www.pacersdigest.com/images/smilies/scared.gif

pacer4ever
11-14-2012, 08:42 PM
This team has quit

rock747
11-14-2012, 08:42 PM
The whole team is apathetic right now....

D-BONE
11-14-2012, 08:42 PM
S.O.S.

We are going down fast...

vnzla81
11-14-2012, 08:42 PM
Wow West are you kidding me? That was the slowest layup I have ever seen in my life :mad:

Trader Joe
11-14-2012, 08:42 PM
Wonder if the coach would be Roy's excuse again for playing like a pussy. Was when we fired JOB. Roy needs someone to blame. I lol when he blamed JOB for him having no confidence.

I'm really scared that Roy has done exactly what he did his senior year in G'Town, he is happy with where he is. Roy was one of the laziest players in college basketball his last year after he made himself shoot up board his second to last year. And lazy may be the wrong word, but he is definitely just disconnected. That's probably a better word, and he did the same thing at Georgetown.

LoneGranger33
11-14-2012, 08:43 PM
The thing our offense misses the most is Granger's mid range shooting. No one can shoot from mid range on this team consistently. West hasn't even been able to hit from there.

Yeah, mid-range shooting, but also three-point shooting and points in the paint.

vnzla81
11-14-2012, 08:43 PM
Sam Young aka white flag is in.

D-BONE
11-14-2012, 08:44 PM
My word, this is just embarrassing.

LucasRL13
11-14-2012, 08:44 PM
Vogel will be fired tonight.
Believe in me guys

Nuntius
11-14-2012, 08:44 PM
Do seriously some of you think that this is the time for bickering between us?

TMJ31
11-14-2012, 08:44 PM
Roy with a strong move. Let's see if he comes with some energy!

Trader Joe
11-14-2012, 08:44 PM
Yeah, mid-range shooting, but also three-point shooting and points in the paint.

I agree. #Analysis

1984
11-14-2012, 08:44 PM
Way to go max contract miss your free throws

MiaDragon
11-14-2012, 08:44 PM
Vogel will be fired tonight.
Believe in me guys

I can only hope.

Trader Joe
11-14-2012, 08:44 PM
Roy with a strong move. Let's see if he comes with some energy!

Survey says?

No.

Pacemaker
11-14-2012, 08:44 PM
Where's the reset button for this team?

3rdStrike
11-14-2012, 08:45 PM
Good news guys, we're gonna be on Sportscenter for the 2nd night in a row.

Seriously, I like our roster, even without Granger. A decent coach would have us 6-2 against the cupcakes we've played so far. It's so painfully obvious that the team doesn't respond to Vogel. With that said, how much more obvious does it need to be made for this guy to get canned? If it ain't working, why not fix it?

D-BONE
11-14-2012, 08:45 PM
Somebody made a shot! Stop the press...

vnzla81
11-14-2012, 08:45 PM
Only down 23 WE CAN DO IT!!! Nah I'm just kidding :D

MiaDragon
11-14-2012, 08:45 PM
Hey were back to only down by 20, everyone clap!! Yay!

rock747
11-14-2012, 08:45 PM
Paul George hits 3, Skiles calls timeout hoping to quell the run.

1984
11-14-2012, 08:45 PM
Danny Granger is not the reason Roy missed free throws ... THIS TEAM IS NOT CONDITIONED

aamcguy
11-14-2012, 08:45 PM
It's pretty bad that Skiles can use his timeouts literally every single time we score consecutive baskets.

notque
11-14-2012, 08:45 PM
Earlier I said I'd be thrilled if we scored 80. I'm revising that. If we get to 65 I'll be pretty damn happy at this point.

TMJ31
11-14-2012, 08:45 PM
There we go. THAT was Pacers basketball!

Strong defensive stand followed by well executed transition offense.

Now let's build on that.

Trader Joe
11-14-2012, 08:46 PM
At least during the JOB years no one expected anything. The expectations of even just being a playoff team seem like a far away dream right now.

vnzla81
11-14-2012, 08:46 PM
Now that OKC of the east comparison looks more ridiculous than ever :laugh:

MiaDragon
11-14-2012, 08:46 PM
Where's the reset button for this team?

http://www.vanderbilthockey.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/mib-memory-eraser.jpg

TMJ31
11-14-2012, 08:47 PM
Survey says?

No.


Missed his FT's, but some strong defense. It's a start.

But yea, you're right... Let's assume the very worst, all the time.

LoneGranger33
11-14-2012, 08:47 PM
How will firing Frank Vogel change the way Roy Hibbert plays? The guy sets the tone for everything we do. Unfortunately, the tone we're getting is the brown note.

notque
11-14-2012, 08:47 PM
At least during the JOB years no one expected anything. The expectations of even just being a playoff team seem like a far away dream right now.

At least during the JOB years we scored more than 30 points in a half.

Trader Joe
11-14-2012, 08:47 PM
Now that OKC of the east comparison looks more ridiculous than ever :laugh:

Even you have to admit that this is way worse than you ever imagined.

Nuntius
11-14-2012, 08:47 PM
There we go. THAT was Pacers basketball!

Strong defensive stand followed by well executed transition offense.

Now let's build on that.

I am admiring you. Really.

imbtyler
11-14-2012, 08:47 PM
Someone must have raised/lowered/changed/moved the goals in the Pacers' practice gym. Lots of good looks, good plays, good shots, but they're just off.

3rdStrike
11-14-2012, 08:47 PM
Yeah, mid-range shooting, but also three-point shooting and points in the paint.

He was terribad at this point last year. A crutch to the team, in fact. So while on the surface that seems logical, in reality it's not Granger.

Eddie Gill
11-14-2012, 08:47 PM
Missed his FT's, but some strong defense. It's a start.

But yea, you're right... Let's assume the very worst, all the time.

Easier to be so positive in that California sun...

PacersForever
11-14-2012, 08:47 PM
I don't understand why Frank changed his Offense so much since he got hired .......................

Trader Joe
11-14-2012, 08:48 PM
Missed his FT's, but some strong defense. It's a start.

But yea, you're right... Let's assume the very worst, all the time.

I think you know that's not how I am. I admire your persistent optimism, but this is bad....really bad. Not just for this season. If Roy doesn't get this going, well let's not even think about that...

1984
11-14-2012, 08:48 PM
Lol. I cannot believe this is real.

eric1516
11-14-2012, 08:49 PM
And that last play by West exemplifies what the main problem is this season: awareness and communication.

Dr. Hibbert
11-14-2012, 08:49 PM
Paul George has just become a bad spot-up shooter, basically.

vnzla81
11-14-2012, 08:49 PM
Even you have to admit that this is way worse than you ever imagined.

No doubt, I expected them to be decent and be out in the first round but not this bad.

TMJ31
11-14-2012, 08:49 PM
I think you know that's not how I am. I admire your persistent optimism, but this is bad....really bad. Not just for this season. If Roy doesn't get this going, well let's not even think about that...

I hear ya.

We need to right the ship. No argument from me.

Hypnotiq
11-14-2012, 08:49 PM
TMJ is easily getting the sunshiner award on this forum

MiaDragon
11-14-2012, 08:49 PM
Can they make it 30 by half?

TMJ31
11-14-2012, 08:50 PM
Oooohh, Sam. That looked painful :(

D-BONE
11-14-2012, 08:51 PM
Amazing how the Bucks have stockpiled a shitload of skilled, athletic bigs. What in the hell have we been doing? We arguably don't have one big who with both qualities.

LoneGranger33
11-14-2012, 08:51 PM
He was terribad at this point last year. A crutch to the team, in fact. So while on the surface that seems logical, in reality it's not Granger.

I was actually ragging on this year's squad, not talking up last year's Granger.

Nuntius
11-14-2012, 08:51 PM
but this is bad....really bad. Not just for this season. If Roy doesn't get this going, well let's not even think about that...

And you think we don't know?

People do have eyes. They can see that this is bad.

Is there any reason to read about it over and over and over and over? It just gets boring and tiresome..

Dukins
11-14-2012, 08:51 PM
Longing to see an actual offensive set run. :censored: We need a pass first pg

CableKC
11-14-2012, 08:51 PM
WTF does Dalambert play so well when I frackin drop him from my Fantasy Team?

Eddie Gill
11-14-2012, 08:51 PM
The Bucks color guy would like everyone to know that he went to high school with a guy named Sam Young.

Dr. Hibbert
11-14-2012, 08:51 PM
Bench. Paul. George.

gummy
11-14-2012, 08:51 PM
At least during the JOB years no one expected anything. The expectations of even just being a playoff team seem like a far away dream right now.

They do. They really, really do. This is just surreal.

Dr. Hibbert
11-14-2012, 08:52 PM
...and then he does that. Which he needs to do more often, instead of just camp on the perimeter and miss threes.

Trader Joe
11-14-2012, 08:52 PM
And you think we don't know?

People do have eyes. They can see that this is bad.

Is there any reason to read about it over and over and over and over? It just gets boring and tiresome..

What would you like me to comment on? This is a forum I am allowed to speak. I've pretty much had it up to here with people telling other people what they can and can't post. People being called sunshiners or chicken littles. Get off your high horses folks, it's a message board.

Nuntius
11-14-2012, 08:52 PM
Nice move, PG.

Pacerized
11-14-2012, 08:53 PM
It really does look like this team has quit. Granger does too many things on the court for the Pacers to be the same team without him and we just don't have the depth to replace him. None of that excuses the play we're seeing from the team tonight and from Roy for the season. I think Vogel was dealt a bad hand by Walsh but he still isn't getting it done this year. It's time for a change.

3rdStrike
11-14-2012, 08:53 PM
Paul George takes the ball in side, gets 3 pts. He probably will not make the connection, and will shoot only jump shots the rest of the game.

rel
11-14-2012, 08:53 PM
is Paul mad yet?? GET MADDER! :P

Jose31917
11-14-2012, 08:53 PM
Every single time Paul. Do that. Just drive man!

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D-BONE
11-14-2012, 08:53 PM
Offense has been off, but we know we can lean on being a defensive juggernaut...er...uh...

vnzla81
11-14-2012, 08:53 PM
How about we get to see lance, Tyler, Plumlee and Ben for the rest of the game? come on Vogel make it happen.

QuickRelease
11-14-2012, 08:53 PM
I'm numb from that 1st half. Absolutely numb.

Ace E.Anderson
11-14-2012, 08:53 PM
What makes it so bad is the fact that there's zero reason to believe we'll just magically turn it around. Danny won't be back till Feb at the earliest and at this point, he should sit out and get 100% healthy.

hoosierguy
11-14-2012, 08:54 PM
They do. They really, really do. This is just surreal.

I agree. This season started with so much promise and in a couple of weeks turned into a complete waste. It is stunning and sickening.

Nuntius
11-14-2012, 08:54 PM
What would you like me to comment on? This is a forum I am allowed to speak

You can say whatever you want to. I just don't understand how arguing between ourselves is going to fix things. That's all.

Lord Helmet
11-14-2012, 08:54 PM
Who is DJ Augustin?

Frank needs to go Bobby Knight losing to Purdue rage in the lockerroom.

MiaDragon
11-14-2012, 08:54 PM
I'm numb from that 1st quarter. Absolutely numb.

The 2nd was even worse.

notque
11-14-2012, 08:54 PM
I don't even know what to say... no idea here.

Dr. Awesome
11-14-2012, 08:54 PM
There has been nothing to suggest that he doesn't care......I take it more that this is just not in him to simply take over.

If he cared, he would recognize that the team needs him to take over to be successful.

Dr. Hibbert
11-14-2012, 08:54 PM
Well, at least someone on this team is pissed:

https://twitter.com/MikeWellsNBA/status/268897782843183104

3rdStrike
11-14-2012, 08:54 PM
And you think we don't know?

People do have eyes. They can see that this is bad.

Is there any reason to read about it over and over and over and over? It just gets boring and tiresome..

What would you like to read? Let's talk about Socrates.

Trader Joe
11-14-2012, 08:55 PM
Who is DJ Augustin?

Frank needs to go Bobby Knight losing to Purdue rage in the lockerroom.

Don't worry, we're gonna start rolling soon.

D-BONE
11-14-2012, 08:55 PM
How about we get to see lance, Tyler, Plumlee and Ben for the rest of the game? come on Vogel make it happen.

Do it. Send a message and spare us the frustration of more half - *** basketball.

notque
11-14-2012, 08:55 PM
How about we get to see lance, Tyler, Plumlee and Ben for the rest of the game? come on Vogel make it happen.

Ben
Lance
Green
Tyler
Plumlee

For the rest of the game aside from stamina subs.

Nuntius
11-14-2012, 08:55 PM
What would you like me to comment on? This is a forum I am allowed to speak. I've pretty much had it up to here with people telling other people what they can and can't post. People being called sunshiners or chicken littles. Get off your high horses folks, it's a message board.

Once again, I never told you or anyone else what to say. I just don't see how bickering is going to help.

jjbjjbjjb
11-14-2012, 08:56 PM
They look like they are the worst team in the NBA. I mean, I don't even feel like that's an exaggeration. Every player looks unmotivated. Is the franchise going to give up on building from last year? Failing to act right now, would be giving up. Vogel has got to go, and go now.

Trader Joe
11-14-2012, 08:56 PM
Once again, I never told you or anyone else what to say. I just don't see how bickering is going to help.

Who am I bickering with? I was just commenting.