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bellisimo
11-14-2012, 06:47 AM
It just seems like the team is lacking that certain leadership and instinct - both of which Bird has plenty of - was it Bird who the team looked up to last year and made the strides forward? What else is missing from this team that obviously from last year that we are just coming out so flat in every single game and losing the games mentally before the tip off?

DEEman
11-14-2012, 07:13 AM
Granger...

MillerTime
11-14-2012, 08:38 AM
we're missing a scorer....Granger was a guy who could put up 18 - 20 points any given night. I cant say that about our guys now - the closest we have is probably Hill and maybe West.

I really wish we got Mayo. Ive always said he has the talent, but just needed a new scenario. Hes playing well in Dallas.

Pacergeek
11-14-2012, 08:58 AM
I believe that Larry's presence alone was enough to motivate our team. Dude commands serious respect

ejwallace
11-14-2012, 09:44 AM
You also heard reports about Bird being at every practice, traveling with the team to all away games, calling the team out when he saw issues....Remember the whole "This team is soft" comment that lit a fire under some people's butt.....I think Larry being out of the front office is a big detriment to this team right now.....Oh yeah, and there is also that issue of Danny.....

Hicks
11-14-2012, 12:29 PM
In the motivation/fire/energy department, I see the losses of Larry, Danny, DC, Dahntay, Lou, and Jeff. That's a huge net loss in that department. They're all either completely gone or have a reduced presence. Danny in street clothes, Jeff merely hanging out with management.

Sollozzo
11-14-2012, 12:36 PM
I don't know, but I do know that I'd trade Walsh for Bird in a heartbeat.

RWB
11-14-2012, 12:39 PM
I don't know, but I do know that I'd trade Walsh for Bird in a heartbeat.
I still think there is the possibility Walsh is just keeping the seat warm for one Larry Joe Bird.

special ed
11-14-2012, 12:42 PM
Whoever thought that this team could operate with less speed and a true point guard is responsible. Not certain if that points towards Bird, but someone obviously didn't see what these Pacers had last season.

Unclebuck
11-14-2012, 02:29 PM
It just seems like the team is lacking that certain leadership and instinct - both of which Bird has plenty of - was it Bird who the team looked up to last year and made the strides forward? What else is missing from this team that obviously from last year that we are just coming out so flat in every single game and losing the games mentally before the tip off?



OK, if we assume Bird had a major impact or even a moderate impact last year then it is also fair to assume he had a moderate or major impact in prior years when we weren't nearly as good. I don;'t know if he has an impact or not, but you have to either say he does or he doesn't you can't just pick vcertain good years and say he had a big impact.

rock747
11-14-2012, 02:34 PM
I don't think bird just carelessly gives away Collison, barbosa, and Dahntay for essentially nothing.

Tom White
11-14-2012, 02:35 PM
OK, if we assume Bird had a major impact or even a moderate impact last year then it is also fair to assume he had a moderate or major impact in prior years when we weren't nearly as good. I don;'t know if he has an impact or not, but you have to either say he does or he doesn't you can't just pick vcertain good years and say he had a big impact.

Unless he felt that last year, with a "rookie" coach he needed to be closer to the team/staff than he felt during the JOB years.

Sollozzo
11-14-2012, 03:50 PM
OK, if we assume Bird had a major impact or even a moderate impact last year then it is also fair to assume he had a moderate or major impact in prior years when we weren't nearly as good. I don;'t know if he has an impact or not, but you have to either say he does or he doesn't you can't just pick vcertain good years and say he had a big impact.

Our talent level was better last year than in previous years. Also, last year's team was pretty much all "Bird guys".

rock747
11-14-2012, 04:18 PM
All that talk about bird possibly coming back in a year.... I don't see there being a chance now.

Trophy
11-14-2012, 08:13 PM
Considering how many years he was apart of this organization, I don't buy into it too much.

These guys have simply played like they don't care.

OlBlu
11-14-2012, 08:31 PM
All that talk about bird possibly coming back in a year.... I don't see there being a chance now.

He won't come back to the Pacers. I do think he will come back somewhere in a large market....:cool:

LetsTalkPacers84
11-14-2012, 08:38 PM
They play like they are entitled

PacersPride
11-14-2012, 10:08 PM
OK, if we assume Bird had a major impact or even a moderate impact last year then it is also fair to assume he had a moderate or major impact in prior years when we weren't nearly as good. I don;'t know if he has an impact or not, but you have to either say he does or he doesn't you can't just pick vcertain good years and say he had a big impact.

c'mon man. Bird was handed a crappy hand. and he did what he set out to do with the 3 year plan. i dont want to get into the JOB thing because i see it both ways.

bottom line:

Bird rebuilt this Franchise. who knows if he offers Hibbert a MAX. or makes the moves that were made. i hope he returns and these moves are easily undone. I believe Hibbert will be a force but we need the right coaching. no offense too Vogel. We have a 60M investment in Hibbert. Time to get him the best coaching we can. Sloan is the obvious candidate.

Who knows what Bird was told this previous offseason that may have changed his mind upon returning.

PacersPride
11-14-2012, 10:15 PM
i do remember times where Vogel said Bird would offer advice when asked. Bird did coach this team for a brief time. Perhaps Bird had an instrumental role with Vogel.

PR07
11-14-2012, 10:22 PM
I think this team has lost a bit of the Bird hard nosed mindset. However, more importantly, I think this team lost arguably its best player, and the guys this team has expected to fill the void, namely in its young guns Hibbert and George have not only not done that, they've regressed.