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The Future
11-13-2012, 09:17 PM
8.6 ppg, 7.8 rebounds on 38% shooting!

This is the player we wasted about 1/4 of our cap on! What a performance he showed in the playoffs against a dismantled Heat front court. What a talent......

Now we're stuck with a 7" stiff who cant command the ball in the post and when he does, he is shooting under 40%.

Guy continues to disappear in games and will be a liability to the team for the next half decade.

Mediocrity all over again.

Trophy
11-13-2012, 09:21 PM
First negative post of the night... :woohoo:

Seriously, this has gotten extremely old.

LoneGranger33
11-13-2012, 09:22 PM
Roy is Knoblauching hardcore right now.

LucasRL13
11-13-2012, 09:23 PM
Hibbert and Hill for Irving and Varejao

Hypnotiq
11-13-2012, 09:23 PM
Hibbert and Hill for Irving and Varejao

I would drive them to the airport so fast

boombaby1987
11-13-2012, 09:24 PM
Hibbert, George for DMC and a 1st.

TOP
11-13-2012, 09:24 PM
Hibbert and Hill for Irving and Varejao

Cavs laugh at the Pacers and hang up.


Don't even think we could Roy Hibbert's contract away at the moment let alone trade for an up and coming superstar.

pathil275
11-13-2012, 09:25 PM
Shrink time.

TOP
11-13-2012, 09:25 PM
Hibbert, George for DMC and a 1st.

I said back during that draft that we should have found a way to trade up for Cousins and that I would have taken him over Wall. Other than being a headcase, he's a monster.

PacersHomer
11-13-2012, 09:29 PM
Don't give mentally weak players big money.

imawhat
11-13-2012, 10:25 PM
I'm very disappointed in Roy, and this is why I was pissed with him over the summer. He didn't earn or deserve a max deal and now he's proving it.

I think about Austin Croshere and how he struggled with the pressure of a bigger contract. Given that, did anyone really think that Roy could handle the pressure of a max contract?

I'll still make what looks like a crazy prediction now and say he'll have his best season by far.

beast23
11-13-2012, 10:30 PM
Now we're stuck with a 7" stiff who cant command the ball in the post and when he does, he is shooting under 40%...

Mediocrity all over again.Well, some of us are kind of envious of these "problems". And, I suppose some of us older guys don't shoot very well either, if you get right down to it.

thatch3232
11-13-2012, 10:32 PM
Hibbert and Hill for Irving and Varejao

At this point, Varejao > Hibbert and Irving >>> Hill. No way the Cavs even consider.

vnzla81
11-13-2012, 10:39 PM
Like I said on the other thread the Pacers should realize that they made a mistake and trade Roy for an expiring and some pieces, maybe Portland wants him again?

imawhat
11-13-2012, 10:41 PM
Well, some of us are kind of envious of these "problems". And, I suppose some of us older guys don't shoot very well either, if you get right down to it.

Yes, a lot of guys (and girls) would be happy to be stuck with a 7" stiff.

mattie
11-13-2012, 10:51 PM
I like Hill though. Out of everyone on the team, he shows up and balls every night.

Pacergeek
11-13-2012, 10:57 PM
I never liked the consensus that we absolutely had to resign Roy, regardless of the cost. If a guy isn't worth the $$, you let him walk

Grangerous
11-13-2012, 11:05 PM
just like what i said at time he s about to sign offer sheet with portland.... I SAY LET HIM WALK!!!! .... smh smh we would be fine with chris kaman

Dece
11-13-2012, 11:10 PM
How quick does trade value vanish in this league? I'd trade him for anybody or nothing right now. I've never seen a max player get benched in the 4th, let alone watch one start crying on the bench. I can't root for that. I cannot root for a 7'2" man missing layups then crying because he gets benched.

mattie
11-13-2012, 11:12 PM
Listen a guy that protects the rim, blocks shots, rebounds and can efficiently score 13 ppg is absolutely worth the contract. All day every day. Roy is just not coming anywhere close to that production.

Roy was producing on the level of Tyson Chandler. (Tyson is a better defender, but the way Roy was defending in the playoffs made him "close" to Tyson's level) He was absolutely worth the money. Consider his age and room for improvement? It wasn't a bad call. It's just one that somehow ended up as a disaster.

Trader Joe
11-13-2012, 11:12 PM
Hibbert and Hill for Irving and Varejao

How high is Cleveland right now?

CableKC
11-13-2012, 11:13 PM
I'm beginning to think that something else is going on with Hibbert.

CableKC
11-13-2012, 11:16 PM
How high is Cleveland right now?
Clevelend is about 571 feet above sea level. Why do you ask?

Pacergeek
11-13-2012, 11:19 PM
I'm beginning to think that something else is going on with Hibbert.

there is nothing wrong with Roy. No excuses. Roy is who he is

Pacergeek
11-13-2012, 11:21 PM
Listen a guy that protects the rim, blocks shots, rebounds and can efficiently score 13 ppg is absolutely worth the contract. All day every day. Roy is just not coming anywhere close to that production.

Roy was producing on the level of Tyson Chandler. (Tyson is a better defender, but the way Roy was defending in the playoffs made him "close" to Tyson's level) He was absolutely worth the money. Consider his age and room for improvement? It wasn't a bad call. It's just one that somehow ended up as a disaster.

Good call by how Roy played vs ORL. Bad call by how ineffective Roy was vs Miami without Bosh

mattie
11-13-2012, 11:27 PM
Good call by how Roy played vs ORL. Bad call by how ineffective Roy was vs Miami without Bosh

He wasn't ineffective vs Miami. THere is a reason the leads evaporated to nothing while he was off the court, and they extended leads while he was on the court.

The only reason why people said he was "ineffective" was because the idea that he must be a scorer. It's just a horrible way to look at his game. On the other hand, people look at Tyson Chandler, and completely understand he offers nothing offensively so they don't expect it. They only judge him on his ability to anchor a defense and rebound, something Roy Hibbert did on a similar level.

By the way, Roy Hibbert being able to effectively hinder the offense of a team that has Both LeBron James and Dwyane Wade is incredible. His best series was against Miami. Not Orlando.

He's just fell flat on his face this season and I'm not sure why.

Trader Joe
11-13-2012, 11:29 PM
He wasn't ineffective vs Miami. THere is a reason the leads evaporated to nothing while he was off the court, and they extended leads while he was on the court.

The only reason why people said he was "ineffective" was because the idea that he must be a scorer. It's just a horrible way to look at his game. On the other hand, people look at Tyson Chandler, and completely understand he offers nothing offensively so they don't expect it. They only judge him on his ability to anchor a defense and rebound, something Roy Hibbert did on a similar level.

By the way, Roy Hibbert being able to effectively hinder the offense of a team that has Both LeBron James and Dwyane Wade is incredible. His best series was against Miami. Not Orlando.

He's just fell flat on his face this season and I'm not sure why.

Unpopular opinion alert and I'm not sure I even agree with it, but I'll just put it out there: But maybe Roy's not as humble as we thought? Maybe Roy is more wrapped up in the almighty dollar than we assumed? Maybe Roy is just too ****ing happy with being a $14 million dollar guy?

I don't think I agree with that, but I can say this, Roy's best season in college came his second to last year, and once he had made a name for himself, his last year was pretty much ****, hence why he dropped to 17 in the draft and a lot of people weren't excited when we drafted him. So it's not exactly unprecedented that Roy follows up a great season with a ****** one.

Mr.ThunderMakeR
11-13-2012, 11:30 PM
Shrink time.Brilliant!

This thread is pure gold.

Smoothdave1
11-14-2012, 07:54 AM
Maybe he should spend less time rehearsing and making flash mob videos and more time working on his game?

I love Roy and love the energy, excitement, etc. that he brings to the team, but we're paying him superstar money and getting role player production. I just hope that this doesn't become a "worst contract in the NBA" type of thing.

BPump33
11-14-2012, 08:25 AM
I truly believe he will turn things around.

ejwallace
11-14-2012, 08:53 AM
I'm beginning to think that something else is going on with Hibbert.

I am thinking there is something else going on as well....Has anyone else noticed that he has been non-existant on twitter the past couple of weeks?? This is a man that used to tweet as soon as he would get to his hotel room after a game, and we're going on a week and a half with nothing more than a tweet about the NBA honoring vets.....Something is going on in big mans head....

Sandman21
11-14-2012, 08:57 AM
I am thinking there is something else going on as well....Has anyone else noticed that he has been non-existant on twitter the past couple of weeks?? This is a man that used to tweet as soon as he would get to his hotel room after a game, and we're going on a week and a half with nothing more than a tweet about the NBA honoring vets.....Something is going on in big mans head....

The team probably took away his phone... The venom he has been getting on there is ridiculous and over the top. Most of it probably coming from people who couldn't have given two craps about this team a year ago.....

joew8302
11-14-2012, 11:06 AM
The team probably took away his phone... The venom he has been getting on there is ridiculous and over the top. Most of it probably coming from people who couldn't have given two craps about this team a year ago.....

And the moment he signed the contract he did he knew it would be here. He went from the young guy making progess to the top $$$ man, and if you are a $$$ man that doesn't produce then this is what you get.

RWB
11-14-2012, 11:21 AM
Maybe he did but I don't remember hearing any stories about Roy working out with a Tim Duncan or bringing in a Bill Walton to work on his game over the summer. I know he was into lifting but what else did he work on?

Sandman21
11-14-2012, 11:21 AM
Theres honest criticism, and then theres the ABSOLUTE VILE that our fans USED to be above creating. Suddenly our fans are acting like Knicks/Bulls fans (and it didn't just start happening in the last week, go back to the day after the draft when people were tweeting the AskMiles thing and being absolute jackasses) and it makes me sick to my stomach to see it happen. Roy WILL turn his game around.

eric1516
11-14-2012, 11:23 AM
Maybe he did but I don't remember hearing any stories about Roy working out with a Tim Duncan or bringing in a Bill Walton to work on his game over the summer. I know he was into lifting but what else did he work on?

I can't recall the article but he worked out with Duncan to include strength training and post-play work. I know he's big into MMA cardio stuff as well.

billbradley
11-14-2012, 11:23 AM
Maybe he did but I don't remember hearing any stories about Roy working out with a Tim Duncan or bringing in a Bill Walton to work on his game over the summer. I know he was into lifting but what else did he work on?

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2012/05/roy-hibbert-expounds-on-relationship-with-tim-duncan/

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2010/08/bill-walton-tutoring-roy-hibbert/

Maybe Walton can cheer up Hibby by giving Roy the Diaw treatment on an inspirational tape...

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/6KkrccHEAqg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

RWB
11-14-2012, 11:30 AM
Thanks Bill, the links you posted was from an article this past May (means Hibbert worked with Duncan the summer of 2011) and the Walton article was from 2010. Just brings me back to 'what did Roy work on over the 2012 summer'?

Rogco
11-14-2012, 11:44 AM
Roy played some solid defense and got to the rim last night, he just couldn't score. He also looks more out of shape to me. Last year he seemed to get gassed quickly, but this year he seems beat by tipoff.

eric1516
11-14-2012, 11:50 AM
Thanks Bill, the links you posted was from an article this past May (means Hibbert worked with Duncan the summer of 2011) and the Walton article was from 2010. Just brings me back to 'what did Roy work on over the 2012 summer'?

Here's a link to the MMA article from SLAM (http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2012/09/roy-hibbert-started-mma-training-this-summer/)

Kid Minneapolis
11-14-2012, 12:01 PM
I think everyone has always viewed Roy as our offensive lynchpin... I've always viewed him as more of an indicator of how our overall offense is executing. When things are going right, Roy is able to do his thing. When things aren't right, Roy struggles. He's more of a product of the system than a catalyst.

He's a load, for sure. But things have to be clicking for all five guys on the court. This is what we're seeing. The offensive flow is all jacked up and Roy is struggling. When the offense starts to smooth out, you'll see Roy come out of his shell a bit. He's getting moved out too far too easily, and guys aren't getting him the passes where he needs it. This is something he's always struggled with --- receiving the inlet pass. If you make him move for the ball, he gets out of rhythm and usually throws up a bad shot or fumbles the ball away.

I think he needs to focus on the defensive side of the ball and rebounding for now, and just let the offense work itself out. Right now his confidence and shot is falling and he just needs to pull back and focus on the little things and ease back into the offensive side of things, hit a few shots and get into a rhythm.

Derek2k3
11-14-2012, 12:02 PM
I think what's happening is that Roy is realizing he's no longer the loveable, hard-working big guy. He's now "THE MAN", our only max contract player, a guy that will be counted to perform at a very, very high level. Roy needs to play like a top 5 Center, because he's being paid to be one.

Before, everything seemed like a total bonus. Now, success is expected.

I, for one, am very disappointed in his effort this season. He is clearly not prepared game in and game out, getting punked by inferior players. No fire, poor effort. He's certainly regressed, especially with how much he rushes around and doesn't take advantage of his excellent footwork in the post. He panic shoots too often.

In last nights game he really killed the momentum the team had early. They tried to work the ball into him, lost it, gave up a transition bucket because it was 5 on 4 with Roy laboring up the court. Followed by another poor offensive set centered around Roy, then another poor defensive effort by Roy.

He really, REALLY needs to figure it out.

davidinnc
11-14-2012, 12:12 PM
The thing I see him doing is giving in to inferior opponents. He is contantly being out rebounded by players he should not be. He should have 4-5 offensive rebound slams per game but he keeps chasing the ball away from the basket. Is he even averaging 5 FT a game?

Jon Theodore
11-14-2012, 12:16 PM
Can we get the scared players (PG24 and Roy) out of the starting lineup. Give me Tyler and Green in place of those two...that gives you a starting five of guys who if nothing else, don't play scared.

ejwallace
11-14-2012, 12:26 PM
Thanks Bill, the links you posted was from an article this past May (means Hibbert worked with Duncan the summer of 2011) and the Walton article was from 2010. Just brings me back to 'what did Roy work on over the 2012 summer'?

https://www.goproworkouts.com/workouts/basketball/roy_hibbert

picasso
11-14-2012, 12:27 PM
He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts...for support rather than illumination.


People are so bipolar is craaazy. I remember being here when Portland gave him the offer sheet.
People said to match at all cause, Because it would show loyalty and it would keep the core together.
Now everyone here is a prophet and saw this coming lol. 7'2 bigs who can defend and score are a
premium in the NBA, The Nuggets have Javale coming off the bench.

Derek2k3
11-14-2012, 12:39 PM
The thing I see him doing is giving in to inferior opponents. He is contantly being out rebounded by players he should not be. He should have 4-5 offensive rebound slams per game but he keeps chasing the ball away from the basket. Is he even averaging 5 FT a game?

He's averaging 1.4 FTA/game, and shooting 45% on those. He's taken 11 FT's this season, or as many as Tyler took a couple of games ago...in the single game.

RWB
11-14-2012, 12:47 PM
Thanks to everyone for posting notes/links to Roy working on his conditioning. The question is still out there, has anyone found an article where Roy worked on his game during the summer and not just in his backyard or driveway?

ndcoltsnpacers
11-14-2012, 12:49 PM
Thanks to everyone for posting notes/links to Roy working on his conditioning. The question is still out there, has anyone found an article where Roy worked on his game during the summer and not just in his backyard or driveway?

Can you find one that says that he didn't?

Kstat
11-14-2012, 12:50 PM
Being disengaged is more a mental than physical issue. I don't think hibbert's struggles are due to him not practicing hard enough.

Pacer Fan
11-14-2012, 01:36 PM
Hibbert and Hill for Irving and Varejao

Hibbert and Lance for Manu, Blair and a 1st

Manu is expiring and washed up vs his contract.
Blair has been mentioned in trade rumors.

Spurs having a Hibbert and Duncan twin tower line up to compete against the Lakers!

Trader Joe
11-14-2012, 02:05 PM
Being disengaged is more a mental than physical issue. I don't think hibbert's struggles are due to him not practicing hard enough.

Pretty much the story of Roy's career, but he's now taken it to new heights. He has the worst body language on the whole team.

Derek2k3
11-14-2012, 02:07 PM
Pretty much the story of Roy's career, but he's now taken it to new heights. He has the worst body language on the whole team.

The slow start seems to have really affected him. Last season he was a great "rah rah" guy, really getting into it and so on. Definitely seems to be more dejected this season, especially when shots aren't falling.

We need him to go back to being aggressive, getting blocks, show some fire out there big fella!

RWB
11-14-2012, 02:08 PM
Pretty much the story of Roy's career, but he's now taken it to new heights. He has the worst body language on the whole team.

Maybe he realizes since there is no longer a true Center picked for the All Star game last year may have been his only time. :devil:

Speed
11-14-2012, 02:31 PM
Just for comparison, JJ Hickson is starting for Portland at Center and is averaging 11.3 ppg, 11.9 Rebs. He's making 4 million this year and is only 24. Portland lost, but gotta feel like they won, really.

twslam07
11-14-2012, 03:39 PM
Just for comparison, JJ Hickson is starting for Portland at Center and is averaging 11.3 ppg, 11.9 Rebs. He's making 4 million this year and is only 24. Portland lost, but gotta feel like they won, really.

Yeah but Hickson is really a PF. Portland is trotting out two PFs. They should have a difficult time with bigger and stronger centers (Howard, P Gasol, M Gasol, Jefferson, Bynum, Cousins, and Hibbert)

bpcox05
11-14-2012, 03:45 PM
Just for comparison, JJ Hickson is starting for Portland at Center and is averaging 11.3 ppg, 11.9 Rebs. He's making 4 million this year and is only 24. Portland lost, but gotta feel like they won, really.

Yeah but Hickson is more of a PF. The blazers are basically trotting out two PFs. They will get punished by teams with bigger and stronger centers (Howard, P Gasol, M Gasol, Jefferson, Bynum, Cousins, and Hibbert).

hackashaq
11-14-2012, 04:49 PM
Nothing really new here, but Hibbert makes Hollinger's early disappointments list:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/PERDiem-121114/not-going-according-plan


Roy Hibbert, Pacers

Say, didn't you used to be an All-Star? Hibbert's vanishing post game has been the biggest disappointment in the wretched, stinking train wreck known as the Indiana offense this season, one that ranks 29th in efficiency after Tuesday's depressing 74-72 home loss to Toronto. (Featuring stalwarts like Jose Calderon and Andrea Bargnani, the Raptors entered the game ranked 25th in defense.)

The alleged focal point of the attack, Hibbert is averaging 8.4 points on 37.8 percent shooting. Combined with his pathetic total of 11 free throw attempts on the season, his TS% is a brutal 38.6. Most embarrassingly, he is 7-foot-2 and has made fewer than half his shots inside five feet.

Trophy
11-14-2012, 05:17 PM
Those fingertip misses are sure to go in soon, right? :pray:

I will say, Roy's began to look a little more like himself in the post, backing the defender in and attempting turn around hook shots and running hooks. He's a very good center and is one of the best in the league.

We NEED him to step it up ASAP because if he's not dominating, down we go!

Derek2k3
11-14-2012, 06:38 PM
Those fingertip misses are sure to go in soon, right? :pray:

I will say, Roy's began to look a little more like himself in the post, backing the defender in and attempting turn around hook shots and running hooks. He's a very good center and is one of the best in the league.

We NEED him to step it up ASAP because if he's not dominating, down we go!

He had a really nice move last night when he ran right by Bargs and laid it in. He needs a few moments like that to get some rhythm tonight, and the Bucks don't have anyone to stop him.


EDIT: And we don't need him to dominate. Just not to be terrible.