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naptownmenace
11-13-2012, 01:46 PM
This is not a thread to tell people to calm down. However it is a thread designed to highlight whatever Brightside there is regarding the Pacers rough start.

These are the things I've noticed that should give us some hope:

1. The East is still wide open. The Bulls are only a game ahead with an unimpressive 4-3 record. Boston, another tem the Pacers are supposed to be battling it out for the second seed are 4-3 as well. Even the Heat have 2 losses. There's plenty of games left to be played. I don't think the Knicks will end the week undefeated and I don't think that the Bucks are the best team in the Central division either.

2. Hibbert has been terrible in the last 6 games and the Pacers still had a chance to win 3 of their 4 losses. Eventually he'll have a good stretch of games. He always goes through at least one slump each season. He's just decided to get have one at the start of the season this time.

3. All 4 losses have come on the road. 5 of their 7 games have been played on the road. Eventually they'll play 39 more games at home and I could see them winning at least 28-30 of those games. Also they were a good road team last year and they should be able to win at least 18-21 games on the road at the very least.

Those are the three that came to me today. What Brightside do you see?

ECKrueger
11-13-2012, 01:53 PM
Who would you say has played well so far, West and Hill most likely? Possibly Paul and Tyler. Lance relative to before. That's about it at best. Yet we are 3-4 with all close games except the Spurs. Plus, Danny is out.

Pretty poor play, but 3-4 record? We will pick up our play and the record too eventually most likely.

HickeyS2000
11-13-2012, 01:54 PM
We're not the Pistons.

Sandman21
11-13-2012, 01:59 PM
Despite Roy's slow start offensively, he is ranking in the top 5 in the league in offensive rebounds. CRASH THEM BOARDS Big Dog!

Unclebuck
11-13-2012, 02:27 PM
The Raptors played a 3 OT game last night, that has to help the pacers tonight.

I thinbk the best thing that could happen tonight is the Pacers win easily. (I know an easy win is always the best thing right? well sometimes a close game is good too though

MillerTime
11-13-2012, 02:36 PM
The Raptors played a 3 OT game last night, that has to help the pacers tonight.

I thinbk the best thing that could happen tonight is the Pacers win easily. (I know an easy win is always the best thing right? well sometimes a close game is good too though

Also, Lowry, Alan Anderson (who has been playing surprisingly well for the Raps) and Landry Fields are all injured for the Raps. Calderon and Lucas are going to have a really hard time against Hill.

Look for Hill to spend a lot of time in the post today against Lucas

Ace E.Anderson
11-13-2012, 02:44 PM
We're struggling so much EARLY in the season, and have not only had a chance to win every game (except SA) but we have a serious chance to be peak at the right time (March/April)

Roaming Gnome
11-13-2012, 02:49 PM
Call it blind optimism or hope & faith, but I think this team IS going to figure this thing out. It may take 10 games. Hell, it may take close to 20, but I don't expect the players to perform as poorly as they are now. This rush to judgement on Frank Vogel seems laughable to me considering the staff he had when he pulled this team from the ashes 2 seasons ago. Frank will adjust and bring the ship home!

Bright side to me...
The team is playing better on the offensive end every game.
Frank and the coaching staff are scrambling for a fit instead of insisting the line-up they put out is right.
Lance might be 2nd round gold... Hopefully not the "Fools" variety.
Hey, better to be staggering out the gate in a marathon than stumble and never recover... I guess! :shrug:
Danny might even return... You never know, it could just be 3 months!

Derek2k3
11-13-2012, 02:53 PM
You want brightsides?

For the first time in 5+ years, our expectations were actually HIGH for this team. Our team is likable, young, and not weighed down with drama and bad attitudes/contracts.

Lance.

Tyler.

David West, looking STRONG after surgery. Just shows he was at 80% or so last season, if you ask me.

George Hill earning that money.

Lot to like/be optimistic about going forward, as frustrating as the start to the year has been.

dohman
11-13-2012, 03:00 PM
If we can stay in the playoff hunt until Danny gets back that is all I care about. Look at it way, we get to turn Paul George into a man. Lance is also getting a chance of a lifetime and is excelling We are not going to be anything unless George turns into a monster. What better way to do that then get him the reps, he is a smart player and is going to learn what works and what doesn't. Its only a matter of time people.

naptownmenace
11-13-2012, 03:22 PM
Call it blind optimism or hope & faith, but I think this team IS going to figure this thing out. It may take 10 games. Hell, it may take close to 20, but I don't expect the players to perform as poorly as they are now. This rush to judgement on Frank Vogel seems laughable to me considering the staff he had when he pulled this team from the ashes 2 seasons ago. Frank will adjust and bring the ship home!

Bright side to me...
The team is playing better on the offensive end every game.
Frank and the coaching staff are scrambling for a fit instead of insisting the line-up they put out is right.
Lance might be 2nd round gold... Hopefully not the "Fools" variety.
Hey, better to be staggering out the gate in a marathon than stumble and never recover... I guess! :shrug:
Danny might even return... You never know, it could just be 3 months!

Wow, you made several great points! I especially like the one about Frank. I think we've had 3 different starting lineups so far and each game the bench rotation has been different. I don't think he'll be making out any Hockey substitutions from now on and leaving at least 1 if not 2 starters on the floor at all times is what we can expect until Danny gets back. Frank is trying to adapt and "course correct" his offensive game plan and I think it will work well enough to keep this team in the thick of the playoff hunt until Danny returns.

owl
11-13-2012, 04:43 PM
When upon life’s billows you are tempest tossed,
When you are discouraged, thinking all is lost,
Count your many blessings, name them one by one,
And it will surprise you what the Lord hath done.

TheDavisBrothers
11-13-2012, 04:46 PM
Danny will have plenty of rest for the playoffs...

SIR-LANCE-ALOT
11-13-2012, 05:15 PM
but, to be honest, we havent really played any of the upper echelon of teams yet, but the spurs, so in all , we should have a better record, if we are supposedly in talks of being a top team this year, even without Granger, i wish we could get a true franchise player!!

CJ Jones
11-13-2012, 05:34 PM
I'm glad we get to see Paul go head to head against mostly SFs and don't have to rely on him to be the second best ball handler in starting unit. I think playing alongside Lance could really help Paul.

Obviously Lance and Hill have been bright spots too

ReggiesUncle
11-13-2012, 06:39 PM
We are watching bball in november and not waiting out a lockout!

vnzla81
11-13-2012, 06:49 PM
JOB is not the coach anymore, Troy Murphy is not the power forward anymore, Mike Dunleavy is not here anymore.

BillS
11-14-2012, 10:17 AM
JOB is not the coach anymore, Troy Murphy is not the power forward anymore, Mike Dunleavy is not here anymore.

Based on the game last night, are you sure about the first two?

And we sure could use SOMEONE who moved without the ball...

Heisenberg
11-14-2012, 10:46 AM
there is no damn bright side

naptownmenace
11-14-2012, 10:59 AM
there is no damn bright side

Believe me... I thought the exact same thing last night. Right now, I guess the bright side is that there is a game tonight so we don't have to think about that horrible loss for more than 22 hours.

Kid Minneapolis
11-14-2012, 11:01 AM
We've had a pretty brutal schedule to start, we've played more games than anyone, and 5 of 8 have been on the road.

We've been in most of these games and have only lost by a few points except the SA debacle.

We are 4th in the league scoring defense and 2nd in rebounding.

It's fixable.

RWB
11-14-2012, 11:03 AM
The Colts have Andrew Luck and is currently the big story in Indy so the casual fan is not following the Pacers collapse yet.

RWB
11-14-2012, 11:18 AM
At least the Pacers didn't select Royce White with their draft pick.
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2012/11/the-difficult-royce-white-situation-in-houston/

Heisenberg
11-14-2012, 11:21 AM
We've had a pretty brutal schedule to start, we've played more games than anyone, and 5 of 8 have been on the road.

We've been in most of these games and have only lost by a few points except the SA debacle.

We are 4th in the league scoring defense and 2nd in rebounding.

It's fixable.

Our opponents are 21-22. STOP MAKING EXCUSES.

Sandman21
11-14-2012, 11:23 AM
Our opponents are 21-22. STOP MAKING EXCUSES.

THE SKY IS NOT FALLING.

Heisenberg
11-14-2012, 11:26 AM
THE SKY IS NOT FALLING.

And it's pretty damn far from a bright sun shiny day.

Hicks
11-14-2012, 11:33 AM
The good news is, it's just basketball. We're free to put that in perspective at any time we want and chill out even when the team is struggling.

vnzla81
11-14-2012, 11:54 AM
Based on the game last night, are you sure about the first two?

And we sure could use SOMEONE who moved without the ball...

Hey I'm trying to be positive here ;)

Kid Minneapolis
11-14-2012, 11:56 AM
And it's pretty damn far from a bright sun shiny day.

Lol.... you're melting down more than the Pacers have so far. It's just basketball, dude, and it's not near as bad as you think it is.

vnzla81
11-14-2012, 11:58 AM
We've had a pretty brutal schedule to start, we've played more games than anyone, and 5 of 8 have been on the road.

We've been in most of these games and have only lost by a few points except the SA debacle.

We are 4th in the league scoring defense and 2nd in rebounding.

It's fixable.

Brutal schedule? Washington, Toronto, Sacramento,Bobcats and two good teams is brutal? yeah I don't know about that.

Kid Minneapolis
11-14-2012, 12:05 PM
Sure, it's been condensed and on the road. Tonight will be our 9th game in 14 days. We've had no time to hit the practice court and work things out. Doesn't matter who the opponents are when you're playing back-to-backs and games 2 days a part.

You never look at the right things, lol....

Heisenberg
11-14-2012, 12:07 PM
Lol.... you're melting down more than the Pacers have so far. It's just basketball, dude, and it's not near as bad as you think it is.
Nothing's melting down. Other than the ability for rational thought when assessing the Pacers apparently. But it's all good, it's only basketball since they suck.

Kid Minneapolis
11-14-2012, 12:08 PM
Nothing's melting down. Other than the ability for rational thought when assessing the Pacers apparently.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight, proclaiming our last season as luck and recommending we blow the entire team up and go for #1 pick after a 3-5 stretch to start the season is defined as "rational thought".

Maybe "Hindenburg" would be a more appropriate screen name. ;)

Heisenberg
11-14-2012, 12:10 PM
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight, proclaiming our last season as luck and recommending we blow the entire team up and go for #1 pick after a 3-5 stretch to start the season is defined as "rational thought".
Right. Unless we're just content with making the playoffs. How many games does it take to admit we're not any good? January? End of the year?

Kid Minneapolis
11-14-2012, 12:12 PM
Oh, one of those "ring or bust" guys. I see. Well you have fun with your meltdown.

Heisenberg
11-14-2012, 12:14 PM
Guess we have fundamentally different opinions on the reason for professional sports. To each their own.

Kid Minneapolis
11-14-2012, 12:22 PM
I want my team to win a ring. But I don't **** and moan when my team "merely" makes it to the conference semi-finals. I don't state that a 3-5 start to a season is reason to blow the entire team up and tank for the #1 pick.

It's a progression. If I had ring or bust on my mind when watching the Colts and Manning develop into a SB winner, I would've been massively upset for 9 seasons and asked to blow up the team every single year.

We're about 2 years into this era of basketball. I'm not upset if we don't win the title this year. I just like watching basketball, really. I prefer to win, and win a lot, but to sit here and expect a title or bust is just silliness.

So yes, I have a differing opinion.

Heisenberg
11-14-2012, 12:24 PM
It's not just the record.

Whatever, this is pointless. Agree to disagree.

Kid Minneapolis
11-14-2012, 12:28 PM
Can look at it anyway you want, but you know in the back of your mind that I'm right about this. YOu know it's way too damn early in the season to be writing us off. We've played bad offensively and still have 3 wins, and could've won 4 more. That's playing "badly". And you know we'll work out the kinks offensively eventually.

I know those guys have fight in them, I know they aren't happy about things, they'll communicate and get this ship righted.

Heisenberg
11-14-2012, 12:31 PM
No, I don't "know that in the back of my mind." I don't call to blow the roster up lightly. I thought that last season. I was wrong.

Again, agree to disagree.

Kid Minneapolis
11-14-2012, 12:38 PM
So what makes you think you're right this season, lol...

I'm not tryin' to discount your theory, but teams go through lulls and peaks, you know this. It's the teams peaking around playoff time that are dangerous. I'm not overly distraught about a rough patch to start a season. Now... that said, if this lull continues well past another month or so, I'll start to get worried that perhaps there is a systemic problem that cannot be overcome. If by Dec. 15th, we look exactly as we have so far, then ya, I'll begin to wonder wth happened. But I have no reason, as of right now, to believe that. One of my favorite traits to watch in sports is the ability to adjust. Peyton Manning is the master of adjusting. Those are the teams that find deep post-season success. This team has adjusted in the past; I think they will again.

Every team goes through rough patches, look at Miami against us last year in the playoffs. They got their butt kicked, looked awful for 3 games, their fans were melting down and the media had proclaimed them a bust. But they adjusted.

CableKC
11-14-2012, 01:41 PM
Call it blind optimism or hope & faith, but I think this team IS going to figure this thing out. It may take 10 games. Hell, it may take close to 20, but I don't expect the players to perform as poorly as they are now. This rush to judgement on Frank Vogel seems laughable to me considering the staff he had when he pulled this team from the ashes 2 seasons ago. Frank will adjust and bring the ship home!

Bright side to me...
The team is playing better on the offensive end every game.
Frank and the coaching staff are scrambling for a fit instead of insisting the line-up they put out is right.
Lance might be 2nd round gold... Hopefully not the "Fools" variety.
Hey, better to be staggering out the gate in a marathon than stumble and never recover... I guess! :shrug:
Danny might even return... You never know, it could just be 3 months!
I agree with this. I don't like the losses that we are facing ESPECIALLY AGAINST the laundry-list of Lottery Teams that we have face....but I expect that we will SLOWLY see improvement from Lance ( which wouldn't happen if Granger was out ) and I like that the Pacers defense and rebounding has been above average if not in the top 5 for the league.

I hate that our offense sucks.....but I think and pray that continued Team Chemistry and familiarity in the 2nd unit and increased playing time for Lance will pay off some dividends as the season progresses. Add in that Granger should return at some point......and that I hope that Vogel and Hibbert himself figure out a way to get Hibbert out of this rut.....I'm not ready to write this Team off much less call for any changes to the lineup.

Derek2k3
11-14-2012, 02:08 PM
The good news is, it's just basketball. We're free to put that in perspective at any time we want and chill out even when the team is struggling.

That, actually, points out another brightside: This is basketball, not stupid baseball.

Derek2k3
11-14-2012, 02:09 PM
So what makes you think you're right this season, lol...

I'm not tryin' to discount your theory, but teams go through lulls and peaks, you know this. It's the teams peaking around playoff time that are dangerous. I'm not overly distraught about a rough patch to start a season. Now... that said, if this lull continues well past another month or so, I'll start to get worried that perhaps there is a systemic problem that cannot be overcome. If by Dec. 15th, we look exactly as we have so far, then ya, I'll begin to wonder wth happened. But I have no reason, as of right now, to believe that. One of my favorite traits to watch in sports is the ability to adjust. Peyton Manning is the master of adjusting. Those are the teams that find deep post-season success. This team has adjusted in the past; I think they will again.

Every team goes through rough patches, look at Miami against us last year in the playoffs. They got their butt kicked, looked awful for 3 games, their fans were melting down and the media had proclaimed them a bust. But they adjusted.

I pretty much agree with you...but Miami didn't simply "adjust." They got all-world performances from Wade and Lebron. That's all.

RWB
11-14-2012, 02:47 PM
I guess the bright side for some season ticket holders would be getting a nice comp on seats closer to the floor since the team won't be selling too many tickets. For those who already paid big bucks for good seats....sorry there is no bright side.

Eleazar
11-14-2012, 05:04 PM
We are averaging 4.6 more rebounds than last year, 1.4 more offensive rebounds and 3.2 more defensive rebounds. We average almost 2 blocks more per game, and 5 less fouls.

OlBlu
11-14-2012, 05:08 PM
We are averaging 4.6 more rebounds than last year, 1.4 more offensive rebounds and 3.2 more defensive rebounds. We average almost 2 blocks more per game, and 5 less fouls.

When you are laying a lot of bricks up there, there are more rebounds available..... We also have been playing some of the worst teams in the NBA so those stats should be better..... All in all, a set of absolutely meaningless statistics....:cool:

glazedham42
11-14-2012, 05:09 PM
We are averaging 4.6 more rebounds than last year, 1.4 more offensive rebounds and 3.2 more defensive rebounds. We average almost 2 blocks more per game, and 5 less fouls.

Probably because our team FG% is 30% every game.

OlBlu
11-14-2012, 05:10 PM
I pretty much agree with you...but Miami didn't simply "adjust." They got all-world performances from Wade and Lebron. That's all.

That WAS the adjustment..... LBJ went back to being LBJ from Cleveland and carrying that team and getting close to 50 pts per game.....The Pacers do not have players capable of that "adjustment." :cool:

Eleazar
11-14-2012, 05:23 PM
Probably because our team FG% is 30% every game.

That could explain the increase in offensive rebounds, but not the increase in defensive rebounds.

OlBlu
11-14-2012, 05:24 PM
That could explain the increase in offensive rebounds, but not the increase in defensive rebounds.

We are playing bad teams and their shooting percentage is also awful.....:cool:

BillS
11-15-2012, 08:38 AM
Isn't this supposed to be the bright side thread? Hijacking it seems to be rather mean spirited.

PacersandIU
11-15-2012, 08:43 AM
the truth is there is no excuse... unfortunately, I don't think we know exactly what the solution is either-- maybe it's coaching but it could just as easily be that Danny is the glue holding it all together when he's healthy. Either way, this group has got to figure out how to get their act together and play some good basketball.

piggyKing
11-15-2012, 09:07 AM
The thread asks for any bright sides us fans could think of. Some of you think there are and some don't. That's just the way it is. Those who don't think there are any bright sides don't mean to hijack the thread. They simply want to let other guys know what they think and how they feel. This is just basketball sure but like players, fans have different levels of intensity for the game. Like me, others are pretty pissed with how the team played thus far and they're pretty vocal about it. I know how they feel because I personally look to this team for inspiration and therapy from my stressful daily grind and seeing them lose to teams that are in deeper **** than us, well, you have no idea how badly I feel. No disrespect to each of you guys. Just a piece of thought from a fan who thinks the sky is falling. ;)

Now on to the bright side cause I think these guys we have on the team are still likable for their different personalities:

1. Season is still early, and they may be able to get out of their funk and be actually cohesive and efficient.
2. There are still great coaches out there available and Brian Shaw is still with us. ;)

naptownmenace
03-18-2013, 03:56 PM
I think it's time to dust off this thread and look at the brightside of things. :sunshine:


1. The Pacers are still in 2nd place and a full game up on the Knicks.

2. It looks like Roy really did have a wrist injury (I blame Gangnam Style) to begin the season and his production is more on par with what it was last season.

3. The schedule the rest of the season isn't too tough.

4. There's still time to sign one of the standout wing players from China (McGrady or Gary Forbes please!) if Granger won't be able to play the rest of the season.

5. The Pacers get to play Cleveland without Kyrie tonight!

boombaby1987
03-18-2013, 04:00 PM
I seem to be the only one not panicking.

Heres a fact. The only team in the east that has a winning record vs 500 teams is the Heat.

Derek2k3
03-18-2013, 04:15 PM
I think it's time to dust off this thread and look at the brightside of things. :sunshine:


1. The Pacers are still in 2nd place and a full game up on the Knicks.

2. It looks like Roy really did have a wrist injury (I blame Gangnam Style) to begin the season and his production is more on par with what it was last season.

3. The schedule the rest of the season isn't too tough.

4. There's still time to sign one of the standout wing players from China (McGrady or Gary Forbes please!) if Granger won't be able to play the rest of the season.

5. The Pacers get to play Cleveland without Kyrie tonight!

Pacers are still a top-10 team in THE ENTIRE LEAGUE (Record-wise).

Hibbert has been scoring efficiently, more, and still defending at an elite level.

There hasn't been a huge slump for any of our starters (Not palying great, but no-one has fallen off the face of the earth)

The Pacers are 3 victories away from CLINCHMAS! (Yeah, the Pacers are about to be the second team in the East to clinch, just 3 years after ending a playoff appearance drought)


Only thing I'm not in agreement with you on is the signing a wing thing. Can't play in the playoffs, so it doesn't make sense to bring anyone in for the last few regular season games.

naptownmenace
03-19-2013, 11:12 AM
Pacers are still a top-10 team in THE ENTIRE LEAGUE (Record-wise).

Hibbert has been scoring efficiently, more, and still defending at an elite level.

There hasn't been a huge slump for any of our starters (Not palying great, but no-one has fallen off the face of the earth)

The Pacers are 3 victories away from CLINCHMAS! (Yeah, the Pacers are about to be the second team in the East to clinch, just 3 years after ending a playoff appearance drought)


Only thing I'm not in agreement with you on is the signing a wing thing. Can't play in the playoffs, so it doesn't make sense to bring anyone in for the last few regular season games.

That's what I initially thought as well but if they weren't on any NBA roster prior to March 1st, they can sign and still play in the playoffs. I'd rather Granger get well enough to play 20 minutes a night and if so, they won't need outside help.

Since I'm looking at the brightside of things, I have to point out that Gerald Green looked really good against the Cavs again last night. Maybe he'll wake up from his funk and be the spark he was brought in to be.