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vnzla81
11-06-2012, 03:15 PM
1) Miami
2) Spurs
3) New York
4)Clippers
5)OKC
6) LA
7) Dallas
8) Boston
9)Memphis
10) Nets
11) Houston




12
Last Week: 9

Indiana Pacers (2-2)
Things haven't been easy for the Pacers. They needed a George Hill buzzer-beater to sink the Raptors and then double overtime at home to outlast the Kings. Then there's the one-point loss at Charlotte that snapped the Bobcats' 23-game losing streak. The team is obviously feeling the loss of Danny Granger, who is still out indefinitely, but David West has done an admirable job providing scoring and leadership in his absence. Paul George is averaging a double-double, but, as a 22-point loss to the Spurs on Monday showed, Indy needs more from its new-look bench to survive without Granger.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/matt_dollinger/11/06/nba-power-rankings-miami-heat-los-angeles-lakers/index.html#ixzz2BTKvzUfn

presto123
11-06-2012, 03:33 PM
Just think. Some people last year said we would be fine if we traded Granger away and let PG be the guy. I think not!

Dr. Awesome
11-06-2012, 03:37 PM
Just think. Some people last year said we would be fine if we traded Granger away and let PG be the guy. I think not!

We aren't going to be fine with Granger. Our future rested on Paul George fulfilling at least part of his potential on offense - clearly thats not going to happen.

The question is, now what?

ChicagoJ
11-06-2012, 04:04 PM
And the idea was to trade Granger for a top-flight SG that also allowed Paul to play SF, not to just cut Granger and get nothing in return.

vnzla81
11-06-2012, 04:11 PM
And the idea was to trade Granger for a top-flight SG that also allowed Paul to play SF, not to just cut Granger and get nothing in return.

Yep that was the idea, good luck in getting anything in return for Granger now.

ChicagoJ
11-06-2012, 04:41 PM
Yep that was the idea, good luck in getting anything in return for Granger now.

Well, I'd still think about trading him for an injured yet younger SG with higher upside. :devil:



(Wouldn't you rather have an injured guy that could hypothetically create his own shot than an injured guy that could hypothetically only take what the defense gives him? I mean, if you have to have an injured guy of course...)

Ace E.Anderson
11-06-2012, 04:46 PM
Spurs already back on top (www.nba.com/powerrankings)

By John Schuhmann, NBA.com
Posted Nov 5 2012 10:56AM
Basketball!
Real basketball played by the best players in the world, in games that actually count!
It's great to have the season under way, but the first six days did little to help us figure out where these teams will stand come April, May and June. There were big performances and let-down performances, bad teams playing well and good teams playing bad. And every team but the Spurs and Knicks showed some flaws.
So have a little patience as we sort these rankings out. For now, it's San Antonio and New York on top, but things will be very fluid over the next month or so.
Still, the first 40 games of the season gave us plenty to talk and write about. So keep reading...
Last week: Harden trade shakes up the top
Hero Team of the Week: New York (2-0) - Red hot from the start.
Zero Team of the Week: Detroit (0-3) - And it could get uglier this week. Check out their upcoming schedule below.
Plus-minus Studs: Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol (LAL) were each a plus-39 in four games last week.
Plus-minus Duds: Brandon Knight and Rodney Stuckey (DET) were each a minus-49 in three games last week.
High jumps of the week: New York (+9), New Orleans (+7), Orlando (+6), Portland (+6)
Free falls of the week: Denver (-10), Detroit (-10), Minnesota (-7)
East vs. West: The East went 8-6 (.571) against the West in Week 1.
Pace: Possessions per 48 minutes (League Rank)
Off: Points scored per 100 possessions (League Rank)
Def: Points allowed per 100 possessions (League Rank)
The league averaged 96.2 possessions (per team) per 48 minutes and 100.1 points scored per 100 possessions in the preseason.
NBA.com's Power Rankings are just one man's opinion and are released every Monday during the season. If you've got an issue with the rankings, or have a question or comment for John Schuhmann, contact him via twitter.

1 San Antonio (3-0)
Pace: 94.9 (24), Off: 103.3 (9), Def: 98.3 (12)
Breaking news: The Spurs and that Tim Duncan guy are still very good. The execution on Tony Parker's game-winner was sharp, but maybe more encouraging was that they were able to win ugly against the Thunder offense, which they couldn't stop in the last four games of the conference finals. Just don't ask Gregg Popovich if he's happy with his team's defense. Happy?
Last week: 3

2 New York (2-0)
Pace: 91.4 (30), Off: 111.2 (3), Def: 92.2 (4)
No team looked better in Week 1 than the Knicks, who had easy victories over last season's champs (the Heat) and the preseason champs (the Sixers), even though Tyson Chandler hasn't been 100 percent. Carmelo Anthony has been more than 100 percent, and while it's obviously early, it's still painfully obvious that Anthony and his team are better without Amar'e Stoudemire.
Last week: 11

3 Miami (2-1)
Pace: 95.2 (20), Off: 114.3 (1), Def: 113.3 (30)
Scoring a combined 139 points against Boston and Denver and getting a ridiculous game-winner from Ray Allen can make up for the worst defense in the league. Miami's starters have actually been fine defensively, allowing just 98 points per 100 possessions in 44 minutes. But other lineups have allowed 120 in 100 minutes. Compared to Mario Chalmers, Allen is a liability on that end.
Last week: 1

4 L.A. Clippers (2-1)
Pace: 99.5 (4), Off: 104.8 (7), Def: 101.8 (19)
After big wins over the Grizz and Lakers, the Clips suffered a serious letdown, especially defensively and on the glass, against the Warriors on Saturday. They gave up 16 offensive boards to what was the worst rebounding team in the league last season. Blake Griffin's work with shooting coach Bob Thate has yet to bare fruit, as he's made just two of his 13 shots from outside the paint.
Last week: 7

5 Oklahoma City (1-2)
Pace: 94.4 (26), Off: 101.1 (13), Def: 99.2 (15)
The Thunder are struggling a bit offensively to start the season, but James Harden's departure doesn't have much to do with it. The starting lineup has been the biggest problem, scoring just 90.5 points per 100 possessions in 49 minutes so far. OKC has actually been pretty potent offensively (106.9) with Kevin Martin, who is 12-for-17 from 3-point range, on the floor.
Last week: 4

6 Boston (1-2)
Pace: 95.5 (18), Off: 99.9 (17), Def: 105.6 (26)
New bench, same old issues. The Celtics have allowed 99 points per 100 possessions with Kevin Garnett on the floor (86 minutes) and 116 with him on the bench (58 minutes). Starting Jared Sullinger for Brandon Bass on Saturday in Washington sure seemed to help, as Boston allowed the Wiz to score just a single bucket in the first eight minutes. We'll see if that's a permanent change.
Last week: 6

7 L.A. Lakers (1-3)
Pace: 94.0 (27), Off: 109.1 (4), Def: 103.6 (22)
We now know that the Lakers won't be going 0-90 this season. We don't know yet if their bench can defend well enough to keep their team in the game against teams better than the Pistons. Mike Brown still has some work to do in regard to finding the right combinations once the starters begin to step off the floor, and Wednesday's visit to Utah will be a great test of his team's depth.
Last week: 2

8 Indiana (2-1)
Pace: 95.1 (21), Off: 92.3 (26), Def: 91.5 (2)
As we wonder if or when Danny Granger is going to be healthy, the Pacers are playing some pretty ugly basketball. Seriously, they didn't crack 100 points until the 57th minute of Saturday's double-OT win over the Kings. But you know who has looked pretty good at times? Lance Stephenson, who hit a big three in that win and scored 15 points off the bench a night earlier in Charlotte.
Last week: 9

9 Brooklyn (1-0)
Pace: 101.1 (1), Off: 101.6 (11), Def: 103.1 (21)
It was a historic night in Brooklyn on Saturday, but we won't be making any grand judgments from one game. The defense looked awful at times, the offense had plenty of weapons (against a good defensive team), and Reggie Evans grabbed a ton of rebounds. Most encouraging was the play of Brook Lopez, who scored 27 points and took 13 of his 17 shots from inside the paint.
Last week: 10

10 Atlanta (1-1)
Pace: 96.2 (16), Off: 108.8 (5), Def: 104.4 (23)
Atlanta's win in Oklahoma City on Sunday without Josh Smith was clearly the most impressive victory by any team last week. Al Horford had the big numbers, Lou Williams sparked the big run, DeShawn Stevenson hit the big shot, and Jeff Teague threw down the big dunk. If they didn't win that one, it might have been an ugly start for the Hawks, who face the Pacers, Heat and Clippers this week.
Last week: 15

vnzla81
11-06-2012, 04:57 PM
Well, I'd still think about trading him for an injured yet younger SG with higher upside. :devil:



(Wouldn't you rather have an injured guy that could hypothetically create his own shot than an injured guy that could hypothetically only take what the defense gives him? I mean, if you have to have an injured guy of course...)

I agree, I can tell you that I'm not 100% sure that EJ is hurt, it looks to me like he is healthy but wants to be traded, I guess we are gonna have to wait until december 15th to see if it is true.

I still hope we would have traded him for Monta, I was always afraid of Danny's durability, I wanted to get something of value before his knee came back to hunt him.

GrangerRanger
11-07-2012, 12:38 PM
I don't see why everyone in panicking. I've read over every single thread of doomsday declarations so far, and no one has mentioned how good our defense looks right now. We're number 2 in the ****ing league. The Kings didn't even break 100 in 2 overtimes. The Spurs scored 1 more point. We get our offense down, this team is fine.

Eleazar
11-07-2012, 02:23 PM
I don't see why everyone in panicking. I've read over every single thread of doomsday declarations so far, and no one has mentioned how good our defense looks right now. We're number 2 in the ****ing league. The Kings didn't even break 100 in 2 overtimes. The Spurs scored 1 more point. We get our offense down, this team is fine.

There are a lot of positives, like how much better George is at defense, and how Mahinmi is playing great defense for a back-up while shooting 90% from the free throw line. Most of that stuff doesn't show up in the stat line though, so it goes ignored. Even those who know a lot and spend a lot of time watching basketball still tend to rely on stat lines to judge players instead of actually looking at what is going on on the court.

GrangerRanger
11-07-2012, 02:42 PM
There are a lot of positives, like how much better George is at defense, and how Mahinmi is playing great defense for a back-up while shooting 90% from the free throw line. Most of that stuff doesn't show up in the stat line though, so it goes ignored. Even those who know a lot and spend a lot of time watching basketball still tend to rely on stat lines to judge players instead of actually looking at what is going on on the court.

Exactly. I'm normally one to jump ship, or get overly disappointed in Pacers woes, but even now I'm not faltering in my support of this team, or the coach. I don't expect Roy Hibbert to have 2 point games all season. I fully expect us to get some semblance of offense within the next couple weeks, and I actually expect our defense to stay near or close to the level of production it has right now. And honestly, our defense has looked pretty great despite the fact we have two guys who don't excel at team defense in our rotation (Lance and Gerald), and another below average defender in Tyler.

People are knocking so hard on Paul George at the moment, but he's honestly making plays to win right now. He's been an absolute beast this season. The amount of rebounds, tough and stringent defense that boy plays is unbelievable. I hope to God he stays playing the way he does and doesn't listen to outside influences. I feel like if he focuses on offense and becomes that scorer/go to guy we all want, those intangibles I just mentioned will go by the way side. You seriously can't beat defense and rebounding like that. He's averaging a double double and almost 4 assists a game, as well as the added blocks and steals. Yeah, we need him to step up offensively a little bit. That's understandable. But the amount of points he prevents, the rebounds he grabs, his assist totals.. I mean his production totals are through the roof right now. I'm extremely proud of him.

I'd rather him keep up this level of play instead of jacking up one on one jump shots or taking it to the basket every play. That's ALA Danny Granger his all star season. Enough of that. Team play, defense, rebounding. That wins ball games. When Granger comes back, we'll be better.

I'm extremely optimistic.

CJ Jones
11-07-2012, 05:17 PM
And the idea was to trade Granger for a top-flight SG that also allowed Paul to play SF, not to just cut Granger and get nothing in return.

Thank you. I've said it from the time I joined, if you want Paul George to be the best he can be put him at his natural position, and find a real SG to play alongside him. Until then we can't know how good he can be.