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Sandman21
10-31-2012, 12:21 PM
Yeah......

http://www.nola.com/hornets/index.ssf/2012/10/new_orleans_hornets_guard_eric_35.html


New Orleans Hornets guard Eric Gordon out indefinitely with recurring knee problems
By Jimmy Smith, NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune
on October 31, 2012 at 10:37 AM, updated October 31, 2012 at 11:08 AM Email | Print




New Orleans Hornets shooting guard Eric Gordon will be out indefinitely, Coach Monty Williams said Wednesday morning, though neither Williams nor Gordon could shed any light on the severity of the right knee problem that kept the team's max money player sidelined through the entirety of training camp.
New Orleans Hormets shooting guard, pictured earlier this preseason, will not play in the team's opener Wednesday night against the San Antonio Spurs.
Michael DeMocker, NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune

Gordon was instructed by a member of the Hornets' media relations staff not to speak with reporters and was escorted to the locker room after shootaround by the team's security chief.

"He's going to be out," Williams said. "The way I understand it, he's going to be out indefinitely until we get some more clarity on what's going on so I don't have to answer these questions every day and give you guys the update. We'll just go from there."

Rookie Austin Rivers will start Wednesday night against the San Antonio Spurs at the two-guard spot.

Gordon began full-scale contact workouts with the Hornets on Sunday, after mostly walk-through participation up to that point.

On Tuesday, he said "there are no guarantees" he'd play against the Spurs and he was still experiencing pain in the right knee, which was cleaned out arthroscopically on Feb. 14. Gordon played in only nine games in last year's lockout-shortened season.

To Gordon's expressed chagrin, the Hornets matched a four-year, $58 million max-money offer Gordon, then a restricted free agent, received this summer from the Phoenix Suns and have expressed a desire to make him the foundation of the team's rebuilding effort.

Williams was uncertain what Gordon's current symptoms were, whether there was swelling in addition to the pain Gordon said he was having Tuesday.

"He probably does feel pain; that would be the only reason why a guy can't play," Williams said. "For me to try to read an MRI . . . .I'll find out more as we go forward. I try to not get into all that because that would just make me upset."

Williams said on Monday he would check with team physician Scott Montgomery to ascertain if playing Gordon would cause additional damage.

"I've checked with Doc," Williams said, "but for him to explain to me what's going on with his body and then have Eric feel a certain way doesn't matter. You know what I'm saying? If Doc says one thing and the guy is feeling another, then you have to . . . what am I supposed to say?

"I'm sure it's got to be medical. A guy just can't not play. It's got to be medical. At this point of the year, everybody is excited to play. I'm sure it's medical."

Williams said his loss hurts.

"It's more than a blow," Williams said. "It is what it is. At the same time, you guys have been with me here through my coaching tenure and it's always been like this. I'm well-prepared for these kinds of experiences. It's one of those situations that, talking about it and complaining about it isn't going to help it. It's an unfortunate situation. I'll give you guys information as I get it."

Williams said he was unsure what the next course of action was regarding further rehabilitation of the injury.

"I'm not going to do this every game," Williams said. "Like I told you: he's not playing. He's out indefinitely. I'm not going to go down the script of like, 'OK, this is what we're going to do.' It doesn't matter. For me, he's not playing. And it's just one of those situations that that's all we have. And we have to move forward from there."

When Gordon agreed to the Suns' offer sheet in July, he said his "heart was in Phoenix."

Later, at the U.S. Olympic Basketball team trials in Las Vegas, Gordon said he would be disappointed if the Hornets matched the offer.

Thank you Donnie and Pritch for not making that move!

(I'm wondering if he's doing it to get out of NOLA....)

PacersHomer
10-31-2012, 12:23 PM
PD would be the worst GM.

Sandman21
10-31-2012, 12:25 PM
That Bob Sanders comparision I made this offseason is ringing truer and truer every week.....

Except Bob helped lead a team to a ring. I'm starting to think Eric is trying to get of New Orleans.

xIndyFan
10-31-2012, 12:56 PM
That Bob Sanders comparision I made this offseason is ringing truer and truer every week.....

Except Bob helped lead a team to a ring. I'm starting to think Eric is trying to get of New Orleans.

reading the article, it appears you're not the only one. :laugh:

too bad for EJ though. Dealing with a serious injury and having to put up with being called a faker. Nice support by his coach too. If I was him, that would really inspire me to get back as soon as possible. :rolleyes: With guys like that on your side, no wonder he wanted to go somewhere else.

Shade
10-31-2012, 01:03 PM
Damn shame. Hell of a player having his career ruined by injuries.

Slick Pinkham
10-31-2012, 01:07 PM
No, I don't remember when everyone blew up at TPTB for not offering Gordon a max offer.

I remember a few vocal people insisting over and over again in 20 threads that it was a great idea, and in just about all of them at least an equal number of people blew up at those people suggesting that we make such a long-term cap-busting investment on a guy who, unfortunately, seems to be unable to stay on the court.

graphic-er
10-31-2012, 01:09 PM
Being wrong about gordons health is something i can easy admit fault to. If health he would still be our best player and we would be reading articles about the pacers conending. But thats not reality anymore.

I.find it more disturbing that there is this aura of faking the seriousness of his knee pain. I just dont see how that would help ej get out of nola. If anything it zeros out his trade value.

Unclebuck
10-31-2012, 01:10 PM
I didn't blow up, I figured a few seasons back he is too injury prone

Dr. Hibbert
10-31-2012, 01:11 PM
I really get the sense SOME (very small faction) of fans seem to have a sense of glee over EJ injuries. I don't get that at all. For any players.

Eleazar
10-31-2012, 01:21 PM
I really get the sense SOME (very small faction) of fans seem to have a sense of glee over EJ injuries. I don't get that at all. For any players.

Those people just care about being right more than what happens to others.

Heisenberg
10-31-2012, 04:00 PM
That Bob Sanders comparision I made this offseason is ringing truer and truer every week.....

Except Bob helped lead a team to a ring. I'm starting to think Eric is trying to get of New Orleans.
Well, Sanders was also on steroids, so there's that.

Trader Joe
10-31-2012, 04:03 PM
Sad for Gordon. He is easily the most skilled young 2 guard in the NBA, but it is not the first time injuries have robbed someone of their prime.

Eddie Gill
10-31-2012, 04:06 PM
I.find it more disturbing that there is this aura of faking the seriousness of his knee pain. I just dont see how that would help ej get out of nola. If anything it zeros out his trade value.

Don't you see? He's trying lower his value so the Pacers have a realistic chance of getting him!

/green

Heisenberg
10-31-2012, 04:08 PM
Don't you see? He's trying lower his value so the Pacers have a realistic chance of getting him!

/green

No, he's gonna get himself amnestied! That way he still gets his max money but plays for the Pacers for the minimum.

Steagles
10-31-2012, 04:14 PM
I really hate this for EJ.

Peck
10-31-2012, 04:19 PM
No, he's gonna get himself amnestied! That way he still gets his max money but plays for the Pacers for the minimum.

Out of principle I hope the Pacers would not do this.

I don’t care who you are there needs to be a penalty for players abusing the system like this & I like him as a player but I don’t want anyone who pulls a stunt like that.

Heisenberg
10-31-2012, 04:22 PM
Out of principle I hope the Pacers would not do this.

I don’t care who you are there needs to be a penalty for players abusing the system like this & I like him as a player but I don’t want anyone who pulls a stunt like that.I was kidding. I don't think there's any possible way for any player to do that. It's not like they don't have team employed doctors checking him out, they obviously know if he's actually got a bum wheel. But yeah, if a player were somehow able to completely screw a franchise like that he'd be an ahole of the highest order.

BlueNGold
10-31-2012, 06:01 PM
Those people just care about being right more than what happens to others.

Yes, not many people want to see a player hurt. They just found it idiotic that anyone would want to rely on a guy (i.e. commit to a huge contract) that injury prone after watching Jermaine O'Neal implode and Jonathon Bender having amazing summers but winters filled with bone on bone talk.

Will Galen
10-31-2012, 06:11 PM
No, I don't remember when everyone blew up at TPTB for not offering Gordon a max offer.

I remember a few vocal people insisting over and over again in 20 threads that it was a great idea, and in just about all of them at least an equal number of people blew up at those people suggesting that we make such a long-term cap-busting investment on a guy who, unfortunately, seems to be unable to stay on the court.

Agree! There was a poll on here, and most people were against going after Gordon. In fact I think there might have been several polls.

BobbyMac
10-31-2012, 06:13 PM
This is very sad for EJ, but at the same time I'm glad that we didn't sign him like several people on PD wanted.

beast23
10-31-2012, 06:26 PM
I don't wish an injury on Gordon. But his having an injury might serve one very important function for me. It might make a lot of people on here finally give up the notion of paying him a huge contract to play for the Pacers.

Finally. Peace at last. Well, at least on this one topic anyway.

MvPlumlee
10-31-2012, 06:46 PM
Yeah, luckily we don't have to worry about indefinitely out and knee problems.

gummy
10-31-2012, 06:53 PM
No, I don't remember that!

I do remember when a small handful of people represented that view. Most of us were quite certain that we wanted nothing to do with that extensive injury history. The raw talent is there, but the body is just not willing. It's a shame.

clownskull
10-31-2012, 07:07 PM
i was intrigued by the idea of having him on the team. but i was nowhere close to offering him what several were perfectly willing to do. like offering a 5 year max deal or something along those lines.
i don't remember how much i was willing to throw at him but with his injury history it certainly wasn't the max.
i think this pretty much ends any possible gordon on the pacers talk or at least i hope it does. he is far, far too much of an injury risk.
now- he is new orleans problem. they wanted him badly and they got him and will have to keep him as no one else wants him- especially at his price.

ChicagoJ
11-01-2012, 12:46 AM
Hmmm... the guy I'd be willing to trade for him is... "out indefinitely for a knee injury". Guess its a wash.

:dunce:

hackashaq
11-01-2012, 06:41 AM
if TPTB offered him a max and he took it, they'd still match it. So nothing would change.
Other than we'd be wondering right now if he's doing it to force a move to Indiana, instead of Phoenix.

wintermute
11-01-2012, 09:22 AM
if TPTB offered him a max and he took it, they'd still match it. So nothing would change.
Other than we'd be wondering right now if he's doing it to force a move to Indiana, instead of Phoenix.

Since NOH matched Phoenix's offer sheet, Eric Gordon can't be traded to Phoenix for the life of his contract. So there's no way he can force his way out to Phoenix.

Larry Coon Q43:



If the team matches an offer sheet and retains their free agent, then for one year they cannot trade him without his consent, and cannot trade him at all to the team that signed him to an offer sheet.

Of course, he could be forcing a trade to another destination, which is what some people are speculating about now. Or indeed, maybe he really is injured and not pulling any sort of stunt after all.

hackashaq
11-01-2012, 09:27 AM
Since NOH matched Phoenix's offer sheet, Eric Gordon can't be traded to Phoenix for the life of his contract. So there's no way he can force his way out to Phoenix.

Larry Coon Q43:



Of course, he could be forcing a trade to another destination, which is what some people are speculating about now. Or indeed, maybe he really is injured and not pulling any sort of stunt after all.

interesting. let the Indiana rumors begin then!

Sparhawk
11-01-2012, 10:19 AM
I never wanted to outright sign him. Just trade Danny for EJ.

Seems like that trade would have been a wash, except EJ's contract is for much longer.....

OlBlu
11-01-2012, 12:18 PM
No, I don't remember that!

I do remember when a small handful of people represented that view. Most of us were quite certain that we wanted nothing to do with that extensive injury history. The raw talent is there, but the body is just not willing. It's a shame.

Plus, he represented IU in its filthy years.. No thank you.....:cool:

Anthem
11-01-2012, 12:57 PM
I bet Danny plays more minutes than EJ this season.

vnzla81
11-01-2012, 01:58 PM
Joe Gerrity ‏@GerrityJoe
Gordon-- "It's an honor and a priviledge just to be part of this organization as a player."
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26m Joe Gerrity ‏@GerrityJoe
@GerrityJoe: He "sorta" experienced a setback between vegas and camp. There is nothing structurally wrong. Hes had mri's recently,
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26m Joe Gerrity ‏@GerrityJoe
Gordon contradicted himself. he said there is no damage, but there is damage. Very odd. Video soon.
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27m Joe Gerrity ‏@GerrityJoe
Gordon said its very painful. He said he doesnt know "at all" when or if he'll be be back this season.
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31m Joe Gerrity ‏@GerrityJoe
Eric gordon said It has been very frustrating as a player not to do your job every day.
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43m Joe Gerrity ‏@GerrityJoe
Monty said hes pleased that they gave themselves a chance to win last night
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44m Joe Gerrity ‏@GerrityJoe
Eric gordon has workout clothes on but he's currently sitting in a chair on the sideline

Really?
11-01-2012, 02:36 PM
NO


Yeah......

http://www.nola.com/hornets/index.ssf/2012/10/new_orleans_hornets_guard_eric_35.html



Thank you Donnie and Pritch for not making that move!

(I'm wondering if he's doing it to get out of NOLA....)

Trader Joe
11-01-2012, 02:40 PM
Joe Gerrity ‏@GerrityJoe
Gordon-- "It's an honor and a priviledge just to be part of this organization as a player."
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26m Joe Gerrity ‏@GerrityJoe
@GerrityJoe: He "sorta" experienced a setback between vegas and camp. There is nothing structurally wrong. Hes had mri's recently,
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26m Joe Gerrity ‏@GerrityJoe
Gordon contradicted himself. he said there is no damage, but there is damage. Very odd. Video soon.
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27m Joe Gerrity ‏@GerrityJoe
Gordon said its very painful. He said he doesnt know "at all" when or if he'll be be back this season.
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31m Joe Gerrity ‏@GerrityJoe
Eric gordon said It has been very frustrating as a player not to do your job every day.
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43m Joe Gerrity ‏@GerrityJoe
Monty said hes pleased that they gave themselves a chance to win last night
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44m Joe Gerrity ‏@GerrityJoe
Eric gordon has workout clothes on but he's currently sitting in a chair on the sideline

This is bizarre. Also, how come New Orleans gets so much info about EJ's knee and we haven't gotten poop about Danny since Tuesday?

xIndyFan
11-01-2012, 02:51 PM
This is bizarre. Also, how come New Orleans gets so much info about EJ's knee and we haven't gotten poop about Danny since Tuesday?

is Joe Gerrity the local paper's beat writer? If so, maybe he has better sources than Mike Wells.

Since86
11-01-2012, 02:53 PM
I'm not so sure that should be classified as info. Other than his personal feelings, it doesn't tell anyone anything.

vnzla81
11-01-2012, 02:54 PM
is Joe Gerrity the local paper's beat writer? If so, maybe he has better sources than Mike Wells.

Anybody has better sources than Mike Wells :laugh: I like Mike but he sucks as an insider, he is usually the last person breaking some news, he is like the indiana version of Brussard but worse.

Trader Joe
11-01-2012, 02:54 PM
I'm not so sure that should be classified as info. Other than his personal feelings, it doesn't tell anyone anything.

I mean him saying he doesn't know at all when or if he'll be back this season? That suggests some level of severity. I wish we had some sort of idea on Danny. All we've been told is once he gets a second opinion we'll have a time table for when he's back...

Since86
11-01-2012, 02:55 PM
I mean him saying he doesn't know at all when or if he'll be back this season? That suggests some level of severity. I wish we had some sort of idea on Danny. All we've been told is once he gets a second opinion we'll have a time table for when he's back...

And that's different than EJ saying he doesn't know when he's going to be back?

Trader Joe
11-01-2012, 02:56 PM
And that's different than EJ saying he doesn't know when he's going to be back?

You wouldn't even mention the entire season unless you had an inkling that you might miss it IMO.

vnzla81
11-01-2012, 02:57 PM
I mean him saying he doesn't know at all when or if he'll be back this season? That suggests some level of severity. I wish we had some sort of idea on Danny. All we've been told is once he gets a second opinion we'll have a time table for when he's back...

I agree with you, even Bynum knows wtf is wrong with him, this sounds to me like Dunleavy all over again, remember when they didn't know what was happening to his knee and then he went and got a second opinion?

Since86
11-01-2012, 02:59 PM
And that's the type of information you're looking for from Granger? I'm just not sure what details EJ gave, that you'd like Granger to give. From where I'm sitting, both of them don't know and that's all they've said.

Derek2k3
11-01-2012, 03:01 PM
Anybody has better sources than Mike Wells :laugh: I like Mike but he sucks as an insider, he is usually the last person breaking some news, he is like the indiana version of Brussard but worse.

I can't say he's worse, at least not until PG tweets "Signed an extension!" and Mike tweets "PG to sign extension per source" 1 minute later.

Another reason we aren't getting much info and NOLA is: Danny is actually hurt/the team is trying to find out his health as much as he is. With EJ it sounds like he's been cleared by doctors but isn't clearing himself. Like, the doctors are telling Monty he's good to go, but EJ is saying he can't.

He was pissed about being brought back, this could well be a power play to get traded. I'm fully confident TPTB won't do the stupid thing and give up any of our 5 for him. I'd give em Lance, that's about it :laugh:

EJ never stays on the court, and his recent attitude questions aren't making me feel any better about him.

Trader Joe
11-01-2012, 03:04 PM
Didn't the PAcers docs clear Danny? I mean that was the last thing we were told. Pacers never said that their docs didn't clear Danny.

vnzla81
11-01-2012, 03:05 PM
I can't say he's worse, at least not until PG tweets "Signed an extension!" and Mike tweets "PG to sign extension per source" 1 minute later.

Another reason we aren't getting much info and NOLA is: Danny is actually hurt/the team is trying to find out his health as much as he is. With EJ it sounds like he's been cleared by doctors but isn't clearing himself. Like, the doctors are telling Monty he's good to go, but EJ is saying he can't.

He was pissed about being brought back, this could well be a power play to get traded. I'm fully confident TPTB won't do the stupid thing and give up any of our 5 for him. I'd give em Lance, that's about it :laugh:

EJ never stays on the court, and his recent attitude questions aren't making me feel any better about him.

I don't think is a power trip, I think he is smart enough to know that he can't be traded until december I think.

wintermute
11-01-2012, 03:17 PM
This is bizarre. Also, how come New Orleans gets so much info about EJ's knee and we haven't gotten poop about Danny since Tuesday?

The Hornets had Eric Gordon address the local media. That's where these quotes are from.

Whether or not Gordon is trying to get himself traded, the Hornets' media (and arguably, their coach) is certainly acting like he is. It could end up being a self fulfilling prophecy. In fairness, Gordon doesn't seem to be helping his cause here. Certainly he hasn't shed any light on this mysterious injury.

With Granger, I don't think anyone is suspecting him of milking an injury at all. Hence, no need to clear the air with the media, etc.

vnzla81
11-01-2012, 03:35 PM
@GerrityJoe: Here's Eric Gordon's statement to the media from Hornets practice today-- http://t.co/eC1KyTdp

I dont know what to believe.

vnzla81
11-01-2012, 03:42 PM
It's starting to look like he wants to be traded.


Wednesday, Hornets coach Monty Williams made a bizarre statement regarding Eric Gordon. The short and long of it is that Gordon is out "indefinitely" with continued soreness in his knee. That wouldn't necessarily be weird on its own. But Williams talked around the fact that essentially the Hornets doctors have told the coaching staff there's nothing structurally wrong with him. But Gordon is unable to play.

It takes a lot for a coach to even approach throwing his star player under a bus. Williams didn't toss him over, but he's definitely nudged him into the street a bit. The Hornets PR staff ushered Gordon away Wednesday before he could speak to the media, further confusing the issue. On Thursday, Gordon spoke to the media. From Hornets247.com:




From NOLA.com:

"I'd say sorta," Gordon said. "From talking to the doctors, from when I last told you guys in September until now, I have had a little bit of a setback as far as this injury. Nothing structural, but it has been a little bit of soreness and swelling to where I'm only listening to the doctors and they can see and tell that it's been a little damage.

"I've had MRIs, and I went to the team and they've always been aware of my injury. I have had MRIs lately, so I'm looking forward to seeing what's happening this weekend to see what's furthermore. .. . I will hear what the doctor's thinking this weekend."

(via New Orleans Hornets guard Eric Gordon says he experienced setback in recovery; doctors see possible damage but he'll know more this weekend | NOLA.com)

This situation is getting uglier by the minute. New Orleans media is going after the bone, and the impression being given is that Gordon is healthy enough to play and choosing not to. That doesn't seem to characterize what we know of Gordon at all, and it seems unlikely for any player, no matter how much he wished for the Hornets not to match his max offer from Phoenix last summer.

But the statement doesn't seem to make any sense. He has structural damage, but there hasn't been? He's looking forward to getting back, but he may miss the season? The Hornets desperately need him back for this season, and if he's gone for the year, that's a massive investment a fourth of the way down the drain for a rebuilding Hornets team.

Gordon clearly is in a lot of pain and struggling enough with it to talk to reporters, even if not everything is out there. This situation is becoming more bizarre with every update.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/20775941/eric-gordon-says-he-may-miss-the-season-in-confusing-statement-to-press-regarding-injury

vnzla81
11-01-2012, 03:49 PM
He can be traded after December 15th by the way :stirthepo

MnvrChvy
11-01-2012, 03:54 PM
yeesh. The kid has got to know this will end his career. I would love to have him on the Pacers, but I wouldn't want to trade for him. Then you'd have a max contract guy for another 3 years after this one, and he's likely to never play. Who's jumping on that deal? 2-4 million and you could consider taking that chance, but a max deal? :hmm:

vnzla81
11-02-2012, 11:05 AM
Yeah it sounds like he is healthy but he is having issues with New Orleans front office.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/20777357/the-uncomfortable-tone-of-eric-gordons-situation


The Eric Gordon situation is frustrating for everybody involved, but the turn it's starting to take is making me uncomfortable.

When the trade of Chris Paul away from the Hornets was first announced and we found out that Eric Gordon was in the deal, many Clippers fans were wondering if it was smart to make that deal with the potential of acquiring such an injury-prone guard. Considering Gordon missed seven more games between 2009 and 2011 than Paul did, I can only assume Clippers fans were worried about the Hornets at the time.

Eric Gordon has been an up-and-coming shooting guard in this league for a few years now. People marvel at his talent and athleticism. They get dazzled by the tenacity and physical nature he displays when attacking his opponents. It feels like he's knocking on the door of stardom.

Because of his considerable talents, you hate to see him sidelined with various injuries, and that's all we've seen with him recently. Back in January, he was sidelined with a knee contusion for weeks. After playing for the Hornets on Jan. 4, he didn't return to the lineup until April 4. In between those times, he had orthoscopic surgery to clean out his injured knee.

Gordon played in seven of the final 13 games of last season and played well. He showed the fans exactly what everybody had been missing. Once the Hornets won the lottery and we found out Anthony Davis would be heading to New Orleans, it seemed like the organization was finally taking a turn in the right direction. They had a new owner, they had the best player in college joining them, and they had the restricted free agency rights to Gordon.

And that's where this seemed to take its first dark turn.

Gordon tried to leave for the Phoenix Suns. He signed a max-offer sheet with the Suns and practically begged the Hornets to not match the offer. Maybe he wanted to get to the Phoenix Suns' warlock training staff, which can turn torn cartilage into wine, or maybe he just wanted a change of scenery after being surprised with a trade away from the Clippers, which he found out about while he was on a bus with Clippers season-ticket holders.

Whatever the reason was, he wanted out of New Orleans, and the Hornets wouldn't grant him his wish. He was forced to return to the team. Since then, we've heard about what an honor it is to be a part of the organization and how much they're glowing about him. That was until he missed the entire preseason and the Hornets' first game with his nagging knee injury.

Jeff Duncan's piece today on nola.com was eye opening. This is not to disparage anything Duncan himself said in the piece or anything like that, but it read like people in the organization are trying to put it out there that they think Gordon is a wuss. It feels like parts of the organization have turned on Gordon during his time of constant injury and Dell Demps is trying to be the peacemaker.

Nearly two weeks ago, Monty Williams said Eric Gordon was unlikely to play in the final preseason games because he had to get his conditioning up. He had been out for all of training camp with a sore knee, the same knee he had surgery on in February. And now?

"He probably does feel pain; that would be the only reason why a guy can't play," Williams said. "For me to try to read an MRI ... I'll find out more as we go forward. I try to not get into all that because that would just make me upset."

Williams said on Monday he would check with team physician Scott Montgomery to ascertain if playing Gordon would cause additional damage.

"I've checked with Doc," Williams said, "but for him to explain to me what's going on with his body and then have Eric feel a certain way doesn't matter. You know what I'm saying? If Doc says one thing and the guy is feeling another, then you have to . . . what am I supposed to say?

"I'm sure it's got to be medical. A guy just can't not play. It's got to be medical. At this point of the year, everybody is excited to play. I'm sure it's medical."

To me, that sounds like Monty Williams is getting Gordon an ice pack for his knee so that the swelling is minimized when he throws his player under the bus. What has changed since Oct. 21 when it sounded like Gordon just needed to work on conditioning?

Why does it feel like the organization is trying to roast their max player in the media while Dell Demps attempts to find a fire extinguisher?

You would have hoped Gordon would have cleared up all of this confusion when he talked to the media about his knee, but he seemed to contradict himself multiple times and leave everybody scratching their head. Even before Gordon seemingly presented a riddle about his knee injury, the overall tone of the situation gave me an uneasy feeling.

The doctors say he's structurally fine but he's feeling pain. And at this point, the Hornets seem done waiting for him to play. With information like Duncan gave us in his post, it appears the organization is trying to absolve itself of any ire from the fans -- and putting it all on Gordon.

It feels like the team is setting up a sense of entitlement for Hornets fans to grasp. Many fans won't take the bait and will probably sit back and wait to see just how long Gordon is sidelined with his mysterious knee ailment. But there will be some fans tricked into feeling like Gordon doesn't want to be here, just months after attempting to sign with a different team.

There could be an uprising against the Hornets' max player, and any time he turns an ankle, bangs knees or comes up limping, we'll hear the provoked groans that are a natural fallout from how this story is being portrayed.

Yes, Gordon has played in just 13 percent of possible games with the Hornets so far, but he still has roughly 327 games to potentially be involved with over the life of his contract (not counting any playoff runs the team makes). The team went from glowing about his involvement with drills, huddles and everything team related 10 days ago to now having people question if he is a tough enough person.

I understand the frustration, but I'm not sure the uncomfortable nature of the things being said is the best path to take during his recovery.

imawhat
11-02-2012, 04:45 PM
I bet he winds up with a microfracture. It's unfortunate.

Naptown_Seth
11-02-2012, 04:53 PM
Remember when everyone blew up at TPTB for not offering Gordon a max offer......
Well, not EVERYone. ;)

A lot of times debates get mixed between posters where someone will say "you always hated/liked and now you get this..." to a person that actually never took that stance.

PD as a group can be nuts, but I think there's decent sized subgroup of rational posters that could "vote" their way through a solid GM effort.


As for the topic, I made the case that he's just not that special. Starting SG, sure, but he's yet to rip off star numbers or anything. I've never understood the interest in trading Danny to get EJ other than hometown interest. EJ seems like a nice kid and I'd take him on the roster certainly (healthy), but that describes A LOT of non-Pacers.


Now if you want to say "remember when you wanted TWill" then okay. :)

vnzla81
11-02-2012, 05:19 PM
@SpearsNBAYahoo: Hornets guard Eric Gordon tells Yahoo! Sports that a doctor in Chicago told him today he can return from his knee injury in 4-to-6 weeks.


Do you know what date is going to be in 4 to 6 weeks? :stirthepo

vnzla81
11-02-2012, 05:21 PM
@SpearsNBAYahoo: Eric Gordon also told Yahoo! Sports he needs no further surgery and will to rehab and strengthening prior to return from knee injury.

vnzla81
11-02-2012, 05:25 PM
@Chris_Broussard: Range of remedies for Hornets ailing Gordon could include microfracture. Link via @Chris_Broussard and @ESPNSteinLine: http://t.co/W16Gkoiw"