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vnzla81
10-15-2012, 03:13 PM
I'm not sure I agree with this positioning.

9Paul George, Indiana Pacers George was just one of many good players on a very good Pacers team last season. But with his athletic ability, he has the potential to be much more than that. At 22, he's already an excellent 3-point shooter and defender, not to mention an explosive dunker. If he improves his ballhandling and develops more of an intermediate game, he could become Indiana's first genuine star since Reggie Miller.



http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/lists/Top-10-shooting-guards-Dwyane-Wade-Kobe-Bryant-James-Harden-101412#tab=photo-title=Dwyane+Wade%252C+Miami+Heat&photo=31366508


1 Wade
2 Kobe
3 Harden
4 Joe Johnson
5 Iguadola
6 Manu
7 EJ
8 Monta
9 Paul George
10 Ray Allen/Tony Allen ??

Ace E.Anderson
10-15-2012, 03:17 PM
I think we all would prob have different opinions on who should be where within that list

BRushWithDeath
10-15-2012, 03:33 PM
I think it just speaks more towards the dearth of shooting guards right now than it does the quality of Paul George.

Major Cold
10-15-2012, 03:43 PM
I didn't expect PG to be there. Tyreke, Kevin Martin, and Rip had bad years. Shumpert was good.

Sandman21
10-15-2012, 03:44 PM
I wouldn't have put Gordon on that list at all. Personally, I think someone has to actually PLAY in order to make a top ten list.

pacer4ever
10-15-2012, 03:46 PM
I didn't expect PG to be there. Tyreke, Kevin Martin, and Rip had bad years. Shumpert was good.

Shumpert was no where near top 10 last year IMO his decision making and shooting is horrendous. On top of that he is coming off an ACL tear. He does have some Tony Allen like defense though. I hope he can improve his decision making but it was really bad last year just like in college.

Derek2k3
10-15-2012, 04:37 PM
No Afflalo? Come on.

Wade #1? Absurd.

EJ/Monta even ranked? Again, absurd. Unless, of course, this is based on potential

hackashaq
10-15-2012, 04:38 PM
I love the top 7, it seems about fair. 3-7 are all very inter-changeable. I'd agree with any order of those guys. I could easily accept Manu as #3, etc.

the last spots I'd have:
8. Wes Matthews
9. Wilson Chandler
10. Kevin Martin

I could see some other guys in those last spots, like Tony Allen, Avery Bradley, Afflalo, Tyreke, Stuckey, George, Monta, Ray Ray and Thornton. But if I have to choose, I'm taking the above three.

BRushWithDeath
10-15-2012, 04:46 PM
Wade #1? Absurd.

Wait... what?

CJ Jones
10-15-2012, 04:59 PM
That looks about right to me. Martin and Afflolo aren't good enough offensively for me to rank them over Paul.

Derek2k3
10-15-2012, 05:04 PM
Wait... what?

You genuinely believe Dwyane Wade is the best 2 guard in the NBA?

I personally do not. Give me Kobe or Harden, than you very much.

hackashaq
10-15-2012, 05:06 PM
That looks about right to me. Martin and Afflolo aren't good enough offensively for me to rank them over Paul.

I'd generally agree, but Martin looks better defensively right now than in years past. He actually tries, he's just not very physically gifted. I think offensively there's a bigger gap than defensively.

BRushWithDeath
10-15-2012, 05:38 PM
You genuinely believe Dwyane Wade is the best 2 guard in the NBA?
By a pretty decent margin, yes.

cdash
10-15-2012, 05:40 PM
By a pretty decent margin, yes.

I'd rather have Kobe, declining and all, by a pretty decent margin over Wade.

Speed
10-15-2012, 05:54 PM
Where's Stucky? green

spreedom
10-15-2012, 06:30 PM
I have no idea why Wade is above Kobe, or why Iguodala is on the list at all. He isn't even a shooting guard.

Heisenberg
10-15-2012, 06:39 PM
Iguodala is on the list at all. He isn't even a shooting guard.
He is now.

The whole 5 specific "positions" thing has gotten pretty outdated anyway. There's point guards (maybe), wings, and bigs for the most part.

rel
10-15-2012, 06:44 PM
I have no idea why Wade is above Kobe, or why Iguodala is on the list at all. He isn't even a shooting guard.

Put me in the 'Kobe should be ahead of Wade' camp too

cdash
10-15-2012, 06:45 PM
I have no idea why Wade is above Kobe, or why Iguodala is on the list at all. He isn't even a shooting guard.

Sure he is. I think Iguodala is a more natural 2 guard than Paul George is. If we call it "shooting" guard, then no, probably not :laugh:

Derek2k3
10-15-2012, 08:35 PM
Not to mention, Iggy was pretty fantastic in the playoffs.

Pacergeek
10-15-2012, 08:40 PM
You genuinely believe Dwyane Wade is the best 2 guard in the NBA?

I personally do not. Give me Kobe or Harden, than you very much.

Did you not see Wade torch us in the playoffs? I don't like the guy, but it isn't absurd to rank Wade #1

Pacerized
10-15-2012, 09:09 PM
I think you have to give more consideration for injurys. If a player is never on the court they can't impact a game. EG doesn't belong on any top list until he proves he can play a full season. Iggy as usual is over rated.

Naptown_Seth
10-16-2012, 10:55 AM
What has EJ even done period to be top 10?

I just ran an eFG% list (FGM plus bonus .5 make for each 3PM/FGA) for all G or G-F with at least 30 games played for the last 3 seasons, meaning players can have 3 entries on the list.

Gordon's 1st appearance is 68th. 68th from a top 10 SG who's main role is shooting/scoring? Even if every other guy ahead of him had 3 listings, that still puts him at 23rd. Now maybe if it also features not only PGs and SGs but also all SFs (it doesn't) then he might be hitting into the 7-10 range.

But guys like Wes Matthews, Jodie Meeks, JJ Redick, Afflalo, JRich, and Sefalosha all show up with recent seasons shooting better than him. His 10-11 season is 16th in Points per Minute among 30 games played guys with at least 15 mpg, but it's no better than Jamal Crawford's season. Kobe, KMart, Wade and Ellis all have multiple appearances before him on that list.

And he doesn't have a season in the top 100 by those same criteria (last 3, 30 GP, 15 mpg) when you go by 3P%. For that you want Ben Gordon, Courtney Lee, Avery Bradley, not to mention Ray Allen, Matthews, Affalo or even OJ Mayo.

By Basketball-Ref Paul George is a straight F and doesn't show up on these queries. Expanding it to include F and F-G adds in not only Paul George but other shooters like Mike Miller and Kyle Korver, as well as Brandon Rush (F-G). And they all shoot the deep ball better and natually maintain a higher overall eFG%.


Tony Allen and Paul George also make a nice case due to steals.


Eric Gordon is a nice kid, but he's only been really an average scoring guard who is injured a lot. He's not proven to be any more unstoppable than a lot of other players when he's on the court, and being at his best maybe 12-15th in wing/SG style scoring is not enough to overcome his injuries and push him into a top 10 SG ranking.

Sookie
10-16-2012, 12:48 PM
I'm sorry, Manu Ginobili is still pretty disrespected. Am I overrating him by saying I'd take him over anyone not named Wade and Kobe?

Paul George..um...you know what, I do think he's in the top third of starting shooting guards, so if you think about it that way, maybe the ranking isn't that off.

And I think I'd take Kobe with one arm and one leg (which is essentially what he is) over any other shooting guard. Wade is often injured and is losing his athleticism himself - and he's not nearly as skilled as Kobe.

Ace E.Anderson
10-16-2012, 01:32 PM
I'm sorry, Manu Ginobili is still pretty disrespected. Am I overrating him by saying I'd take him over anyone not named Wade and Kobe?

Paul George..um...you know what, I do think he's in the top third of starting shooting guards, so if you think about it that way, maybe the ranking isn't that off.

And I think I'd take Kobe with one arm and one leg (which is essentially what he is) over any other shooting guard. Wade is often injured and is losing his athleticism himself - and he's not nearly as skilled as Kobe.

Kobe's athleticism has all but left him, and he's still probably the best pure perimeter scorer not named Durant right now. His use of angles, shot fakes, and pace is fundamental to a Tee.

Wade has relied on his strength and athleticism for years, and it's finally starting to catch up to him. If he doesn't make some changes to his game, his scoring numbers will fall off as he continues to age and his athleticism erodes.

Also: I don't think Ginobili has "it" any more. Can he get up for a playoff game or two? Sure. But during the reg season, and over the course of a series, he wears down. Maybe he was still recovering from his injuries the times I saw him last year, but he definitely didn't seem like Manu of old.

Sparhawk
10-16-2012, 01:54 PM
Wade at #1 is right. He's freaking amazing. His only issue is health, and that comes from just playing hard and giving it his all.

Look at Granger, he's already admitted he doesn't play hard all the time to play longer. Not something I want or want to hear from the leader of my team.

Sookie
10-16-2012, 02:09 PM
Kobe's athleticism has all but left him, and he's still probably the best pure perimeter scorer not named Durant right now. His use of angles, shot fakes, and pace is fundamental to a Tee.

Wade has relied on his strength and athleticism for years, and it's finally starting to catch up to him. If he doesn't make some changes to his game, his scoring numbers will fall off as he continues to age and his athleticism erodes.

Also: I don't think Ginobili has "it" any more. Can he get up for a playoff game or two? Sure. But during the reg season, and over the course of a series, he wears down. Maybe he was still recovering from his injuries the times I saw him last year, but he definitely didn't seem like Manu of old.

I'd still take Manu over Harden (albiet, for now), Johnson, and Iguadala. He's as broken down as Kobe but he's similar to Kobe in that he doesn't need to be healthy to be good.

daschysta
10-16-2012, 02:17 PM
Next year I think PG is pushing the top 5 of this list, but suprised he made it based on last year. He was solid, no doubt, but too inconsistent, I think he was just on the outside of this list looking in.

Next year though, if he gets 15+ without suffering in efficiency and keeps up his reputation as a defensive stopper I see no reason why him vs. Iguodala, or him vs. Manu with another year of age on his back couldn't at least be entertained.

I'll take this slot as making up for Roy being so low in their lists.

Pace Maker
10-16-2012, 02:49 PM
I didn't think they would put PG above Shumpert. Not that he doesn't deserve it, but with all the hype Knicks and their players get, its a nice surprise.

Also, good heavens SG's are awful... I thought DeRozan was pretty good?

daschysta
10-16-2012, 02:58 PM
I didn't think they would put PG above Shumpert. Not that he doesn't deserve it, but with all the hype Knicks and their players get, its a nice surprise.

Also, good heavens SG's are awful... I thought DeRozan was pretty good?

Shumpert was horrific offensively and Derozan was horrific period last season a "scorer" posting 16.7 ppg on .503 TS% not a good defender rebounder, passer or shooter. Just bad bad bad.

hackashaq
10-16-2012, 03:45 PM
What has EJ even done period to be top 10?


it's not Hall of Fame, you don't have to have done anything. If Tim Duncan was ranked as a top 10 PF a month into his career, would that be wrong? He played like it.
I don't see why Gordon wouldn't qualify, unless you think Gordon's going to miss most of the season from now on. He is a very good, near complete player.

hackashaq
10-16-2012, 03:49 PM
Yeah, Shumpert got hyped up pretty badly. Is he even better than Ronnie Brewer yet? New York has always loved their defense/energy guys. Especially ones with solid upside like Shumpert.
Ronny Turiaf was everyone's favorite role player two years ago, last year it was Shumpert, this year I think it will be Ronnie Brewer, and I think he's actually an upgrade as an overall player right now.

naptownmenace
10-16-2012, 11:15 PM
1. Kobe
2. Wade
3. Ginobilli
4. Harden
5. Iguodala
6. J. Johnson
7. Ellis
8. E. Gordon
9. P. George
10. T. Evans

That's my top 10. IMO, Monta Ellis and Iguodala are underrated.