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BlueCollarColts
10-13-2012, 04:13 PM
who do you think will end up having the better season between these two

xIndyFan
10-13-2012, 04:20 PM
roy

his game is farther along.

this is based on one preseason game though. Paul looked more assertive than last year, but his game still looks the same. almost but not quite there.

BlueNGold
10-13-2012, 04:21 PM
Paul. He will arrive this year. The three G's are going to get some fame this year.

righteouscool
10-13-2012, 04:59 PM
roy

his game is farther along.

this is based on one preseason game though. Paul looked more assertive than last year, but his game still looks the same. almost but not quite there.

I disagree that paul's game looks the same. For one thing, he's made better passes in 40 minutes of pre season than I have ever seen him make. His handles look a lot better to me as well. He's not polished yet, but I think he'll make a big jump scoring wise over the next two seasons.

When I played basketball I had the same problem with handles that Paul had last year. My dribbling was good, but incredibly sloppy. Eventually someone pointed out that I needed to do a better job of keeping my dribble as low as possible to the ground. It took me about a week to get used to that and my dribbling drastically improved. He is dribbling a lot lower than in years past so I wouldn't be surprised if his handles REALLY improved as long as he doesn't get lazy with the ball.

Ace E.Anderson
10-13-2012, 05:09 PM
I think Paul will show more improvement, while Roy will be more consistent. Paul wil average more points and most likely will get more notoriety, but Roy will be our "rock".

daschysta
10-13-2012, 06:04 PM
roy

his game is farther along.

this is based on one preseason game though. Paul looked more assertive than last year, but his game still looks the same. almost but not quite there.

Paul's ball handling is significantly better. He still gets into trouble sometimes, but that's more the result of all the other starters being out and going 1 on 5 and getting overextended. He's had numerous possessions where he's pulled off crossovers that left his man in the dust, and he's been getting where he wants to go with the ball, especially to his sweet spots for pull up J's from mid range.

Roy will still probably have a better season, stince he's starting from ahead and probably will average a double double if he plays a few more minutes. But Paul won't be far behind, his game is improved and it will look even better once he's playing with the other starters.

pacers74
10-13-2012, 06:11 PM
I think PG will average more points, but Roy will be more of a all around player.
PG: 18ppg, 5rpg, 1spg
Roy 15ppg, 10rpg, 2bpg

daschysta
10-13-2012, 06:31 PM
One thing to consider is that Vogel has stated that not only does he want to ride his starters more this year, but that he expects each starter above 30 mpg. PG would have likely gotten far more mpg last season had he not gotten into foul trouble early as often as he did, I expect him to play around the same mpg as Danny, which will be 32-36, especially since he can slide over to the 3 when necessary too. Roy I could see 31/32 mpg.

As for numbers-

I think Paul will average 16-18 ppg 6-7 rpg 2-3.5 apg on 44-45/38-39/82-85
Roy I see 14-16 ppg 9.5-10.5 rpg 2 apg on 51%

Roy will still probably be our most important player and our anchor, but Paul won't be far behind. I'm more bullish on Paul's potential to score this year than I was before pre-season. He gets into trouble going completely on his own, but with the other starters on the floor with him who have to be respected I think he'll shine.

Sookie
10-13-2012, 06:38 PM
As I don't expect Roy to regress, it'll be a good thing for the Pacers if PG has the better season.

That being said, despite how highly I think of PG, I think it's a little early to be expecting the things some are expecting of him. And I still think he's in a position (with Danny, Roy, GH, and West) where he's going to feel like the fourth or fifth option. And I don't see that as a negative, because the Vets probably see him that way too.

Brad8888
10-13-2012, 06:43 PM
Likely G-squared will shock the world and lead the Pacers this year, while Paul George shifts to the 3 and readjusts and becomes a more solid team player on both ends of the court. Roy will play better when he has size next to him who can take pressure off of him in the post (hopefully West has been saving energy here in the preseason so far since he apparently cannot get off the ground from what other posters have said), likely being a combination of Ian and our newest "stretch 4" in Granger.

As far as the original question, Paul George will get the accolades, Roy will do the work in a supporting role.

rexnom
10-13-2012, 06:50 PM
You guys realize that Roy Hibbert is an all-star, right?

I am nearly 100% sure that Hibbert will have a better season and that's no knock on Paul.

daschysta
10-13-2012, 06:50 PM
As I don't expect Roy to regress, it'll be a good thing for the Pacers if PG has the better season.

That being said, despite how highly I think of PG, I think it's a little early to be expecting the things some are expecting of him. And I still think he's in a position (with Danny, Roy, GH, and West) where he's going to feel like the fourth or fifth option. And I don't see that as a negative, because the Vets probably see him that way too.
I'm not so sure the vets see him that way, it's more likely he sees himself, or did see himself that way, given what we've heard, but the Vets aren't blind, they know that the expectation is that George is going to have a more prominent role this season, and they've been supportive of it, they also know that Vogel has been pushing for a more aggressive George. I don't think the vets have a problem with it, they know that George probably has the most upside and raw talent on the team, and seem like a group focused on the team over individual accolades. I think they'll encourage George to take a more active role on offense. We'll still be pretty balanced, but I think George will be more like a 2B C or D option this season rather than 2nd to last or last on the totem poll.

He also has the potential to get to the line alot, which can bump scoring averages, I don't think that 16-17 ppg is out of the question, as Frank is supposedly going to be playing the starters more minutes, and George is well equipped to play quite a bit more between fresh legs and positional flexibility.

Roy may well have a better season, for one I think he'll be more consistent (he was dominate at times last season) and we'll be able to get him the ball in his spots more consistently, but if we're talking who improves more relative to last season it's probably Paul, since Roy started off higher.

Noodle
10-13-2012, 07:41 PM
As I don't expect Roy to regress, it'll be a good thing for the Pacers if PG has the better season.

That being said, despite how highly I think of PG, I think it's a little early to be expecting the things some are expecting of him. And I still think he's in a position (with Danny, Roy, GH, and West) where he's going to feel like the fourth or fifth option. And I don't see that as a negative, because the Vets probably see him that way too.

What are they asking of him really? I don't believe that it is Vogel's proclivity to make him the go-to-guy, but just simply take part in a 5 man assualt where every man is a 1 or a two option. He is going to have the same green light as the rest of the starters. All five are expected to score. They are just saying score more at free will. It will still be done within the role of a wing player. I don't that that is a bad move. Paul can contribute on offense far more than he did a year ago. When people start focusing on him, that only makes the team stronger.

BlueNGold
10-13-2012, 07:45 PM
Better season is not the same as better player IMHO. Instead, it's relative to what a player has done previously.

Of course Hibbert is going to be the better player in terms of value to the team. That's almost a certainty. I expect in his third year for George to make that leap and get real notoriety. That will help all the players by taking the focus off of them. I think we will be significantly better this year.

OlBlu
10-13-2012, 09:09 PM
who do you think will end up having the better season between these two

Hibbert and it won't even be close......:cool: ...

OlBlu
10-13-2012, 09:12 PM
who do you think will end up having the better season between these two

Paul George has some room to become somewhat better but he is never going to an all star caliber player. If he had that kind of potential, he would have shown it by now. That said, he can be a very solid player for a long time....:cool: ...

Major Cold
10-13-2012, 09:19 PM
Paul George has some room to become somewhat better but he is never going to an all star caliber player. If he had that kind of potential, he would have shown it by now. That said, he can be a very solid player for a long time....:cool: ...


I think people are saying they have seen flashes of it. And not just PD posters, journalists across multiple media spectrums. But I understand what you are saying. Until the flashes become consistent, he will never be an All-Star type player.

daschysta
10-13-2012, 09:29 PM
Paul George has some room to become somewhat better but he is never going to an all star caliber player. If he had that kind of potential, he would have shown it by now. That said, he can be a very solid player for a long time....:cool: ...

How many people here or otherwise though Hibbert was going to be an All-star after year two?

OlBlu
10-13-2012, 09:40 PM
How many people here or otherwise though Hibbert was going to be an All-star after year two?

Apples and oranges, big men take a long time to develop. How many shooting guards suddenly became all stars after playing good but not great their first three or four years? I thought Hibbert had the best chance on the team to be an all star a long time ago. That was because true centers are a rare commodity and he had the best chance to be named to the team.......:cool: ...

righteouscool
10-13-2012, 09:49 PM
Apples and oranges, big men take a long time to develop. How many shooting guards suddenly became all stars after playing good but not great their first three or four years? I thought Hibbert had the best chance on the team to be an all star a long time ago. That was because true centers are a rare commodity and he had the best chance to be named to the team.......:cool: ...


Tracy mcgrady, joe johnson, chauncey billups, etc etc.....

clownskull
10-13-2012, 09:50 PM
whether pg becomes an all star or not- i have no idea. as long as he keeps working to get better like roy has- that is what i am looking for. if he keeps up with building his game, things will likely turn out for the better.

daschysta
10-13-2012, 09:52 PM
@olblu

Paul George has only been in the league 2 years, how can you assume that Paul won't be very good this year before it happens? Also, not many wings with all-star potential are drafted on to teams that get the 5th best record in the NBA their second year. Most of them are thrown into the fire, Paul wasn't.

CompACE
10-13-2012, 09:56 PM
Tracy mcgrady, joe johnson, chauncey billups, etc etc.....

...Reggie Miller

Also to add, this is only PGs third year.

Sookie
10-13-2012, 10:17 PM
Paul George has some room to become somewhat better but he is never going to an all star caliber player. If he had that kind of potential, he would have shown it by now. That said, he can be a very solid player for a long time....:cool: ...

Paul George has pretty much every attribute a player can have in order to develop into an all star (and perhaps more), with the exception of ball handling, something he knows he struggles with and has worked on. (And I'd imagine continue to work on.) He's just very raw.

Steagles
10-13-2012, 10:19 PM
The 3 G's. I like it. As for the question, I think its Paul. I think he will learn his game and step it up, since he is in a contract year after all.

pizza guy
10-13-2012, 11:35 PM
It really depends on how you evaluate them.

Roy is coming off an All Star season and a fat contract. Expectations are high for him, and they should be. He is going to continue to be the crux of our team, and our defense in particular. Roy locking down the paint and being a consistent threat on offense is what will make this machine work.

Paul George is coming off a second season where he started to get some attention. The Slam Dunk Contest and his huge 30 point game in Dallas, added to the tough defense he has earned a reputation for has all given Paul a name nationally. I think the expectations for this season are higher among Pacers fans than among the general NBA fan, but it's out there.

I think Roy continues the strong play we saw last year, and probably has a slight bump in stats based on increased minutes. Hopefully some more consistency and strength will be evident, but Roy is likely to stop improving so drastically and simply settle into his prime.

Paul should make a good jump based on his work, his focus, and his coaching. The stats will likely come and go still, as he's not going to be the likely focus of many gameplans. Our team's strength lies in the balance and the options we have, so we'll continue to see 10 point games followed by 20 point games. I think his average will go up and his defense hopefully remains rock solid, and maybe even improves in the few areas he struggled.

So from an improvement standpoint, Paul is likely to have the better season.

From a raw impact on the team, game, and NBA, Roy will still have the better season. If Paul even challenges Roy on the grander scale, the Pacers could beat Miami in the playoffs.

tflo
10-14-2012, 01:16 AM
I think Roy Hebert will, but I would like to ask this question? Who do you think will have a better season, Danny Granger or Paul George?

xIndyFan
10-14-2012, 01:21 AM
I think Roy Hebert will, but I would like to ask this question? Who do you think will have a better season, Danny Granger or Paul George?

Danny, he's the best player on the team. unless he's hurt.

SkipperZ
10-14-2012, 04:45 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if pg was our leading scorer this year

Ace E.Anderson
10-14-2012, 09:51 AM
Tracy mcgrady, joe johnson, chauncey billups, etc etc.....

Andre Iguodala, Danny granger (not a 2 guard but a wing), Eddie Jones, Kobe Bryant..

It's all about PT, FGA, and place on totem pole.

OlBlu
10-14-2012, 10:00 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if pg was our leading scorer this year

I would. You have a black hole playing next to him in Granger (nothing that goes into Granger ever comes back out) and if it looks like PG is going to score that much, Granger will start guarding him......:cool: ...

cgg
10-14-2012, 10:03 AM
Rashard Lewis, Manu Ginobili, Peja Stojakovic

OlBlu
10-14-2012, 10:04 AM
@olblu

Paul George has only been in the league 2 years, how can you assume that Paul won't be very good this year before it happens? Also, not many wings with all-star potential are drafted on to teams that get the 5th best record in the NBA their second year. Most of them are thrown into the fire, Paul wasn't.

I didn't say that he would not be a very good player. I just don't think he will ever be a star or an all star. Hasn't PG been starting for most of that two years? That is being thrown into the fire....:cool: ...

cgg
10-14-2012, 10:07 AM
He had more DNP-CD than starts in his first year.

OlBlu
10-14-2012, 10:14 AM
He had more DNP-CD than starts in his first year.

Thanks. It seems like he has been starting forever..... and he should....:cool: ...

cgg
10-14-2012, 10:16 AM
Thanks. It seems like he has been starting forever..... and he should....:cool: ...

It does seem like a long time ago. Maybe the lockout seemed like a long time. I think he's only got 85 games that aren't under JOB though.

xBulletproof
10-14-2012, 10:29 AM
Paul George should be named an All-NBA defensive player this year and if he can score 15 points per game with it, that'll get you All Star consideration if you're on a very good team.

He's obviously not done progressing in his career either. No idea why he won't be an All Star at some point.

OlBlu
10-14-2012, 10:34 AM
Paul George should be named an All-NBA defensive player this year and if he can score 15 points per game with it, that'll get you All Star consideration if you're on a very good team.

He's obviously not done progressing in his career either. No idea why he won't be an All Star at some point.

I don't think he will be named to that all defensive team this year. Kobe is a mortal lock there. I don't think he will make second team either because D. Wade is usually strong in the voting too.... I will give you that he may be top five at his position.....:cool: ...

cgg
10-14-2012, 10:58 AM
I don't think he will be named to that all defensive team this year. Kobe is a mortal lock there. I don't think he will make second team either because D. Wade is usually strong in the voting too.... I will give you that he may be top five at his position.....:cool: ...

It's pretty close actually... PG has 10 points last year, Kobe had 17, and Wade had 5... And I think he improved a lot as the year went on.

Ace E.Anderson
10-14-2012, 10:59 AM
Thanks. It seems like he has been starting forever..... and he should....:cool: ...

And he didn't even have a training camp his first year as a full time starter. This yr should give us an idea of what PG will be and what he won't be

trs72
10-14-2012, 03:18 PM
who do you think will end up having the better season between these two

I will go with PG. I think both him and Roy will have good years but unless Roy gets more demanding about getting the ball I dont see his numbers being much different than last year while I see PG going up. DJ Augustin I think might get Hibbert a few more touches this year because he is a pass 1st guy. Love Hill being a Indiana boy but DJ might be the better PG for the team and Hill might be better suited a 6th man. Personally the biggest change I see with our team this year will be in D. West being another year removed form knee surgery. I see Granger still being the leading score but D West will be a close 2nd.

Eleazar
10-15-2012, 12:42 PM
The thing about our team that hurts George statistically is that we have 5 starters who in a vacuum all would be able to average 16+ ppg. Since that is the case it becomes difficult for all of them to live up to their statistical potential. In the vacuum I would expect the scoring expectations of each starter to be something like this; Granger 23ppg, West 18ppg, Hibbert 18ppg, George 17ppg, and Hill 16ppg. When in reality it is more likely to be something like this; Granger 18ppg, West 14ppg, Hibbert 14ppg, George 14ppg, and Hill 12ppg.

Cousy47
10-15-2012, 01:24 PM
Youre getting into my territory of thinking. I thought one of the big problems the Pacers had last year was the dropping off in scoring when the 2nd unit came on the floor. With the top 5 players on the team starting and platoon replacement, we had DC and Hans who had to score. If Green and/or Ian can't make up the loss of firepower, one of the starters is going to need to extend their minutes or move to the 2nd unit to keep the leads the starters build. I don't really like PG, DG, DWest and Roy all on the floor at the same time with GHill. Too much scoring, not enough ball movement and a huge fall off when they leave the floor.

imbtyler
10-15-2012, 01:57 PM
I think BOTH will have better seasons. But I think that Paul's ready to come into his own. Third year's the charm! Paul should be the last starter to sit on the bench, and the core of the offense with Augustin running the court. Him and Green on the court at the same time is a sight to be seen. As soon as they both get [ ] this much more aggressive, they'll be kicking some ***.

Also, slightly off topic, I noticed after tip-off of the home game vs. Minnesota that, right after the ball was tipped, Augustin got the ball, and Gerald sprinted in a cut to the rim. If that game had started with a crazy alley-oop to Green, right after tip-off, the game would have started completely differently. It would have changed the tempo of the game from the get-go.

Coopdog23
10-15-2012, 01:58 PM
PG. He has more to prove and he will become a top 15 player in the league

OlBlu
10-15-2012, 03:29 PM
PG. He has more to prove and he will become a top 15 player in the league

Really?? :cool: