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MvPlumlee
10-12-2012, 06:27 PM
Talk here about the game.

Remember, do not talk about or even mention the word streame.

tora tora
10-12-2012, 06:34 PM
Remember, do not talk about or even mention the word streame.

:point:
So no tv for directv customers tonight?

CJ Jones
10-12-2012, 06:48 PM
I'll be watching screens tonight. It's a real problem for this team. Coach wasn't happy with the effort in Fargo.

PGisthefuture
10-12-2012, 06:51 PM
Hopefully they do a little better than Wednesday, that's all I'm asking for.

MvPlumlee
10-12-2012, 06:53 PM
So no tv for directv customers tonight?
Yep

Go Pacers!

rel
10-12-2012, 06:55 PM
Any updates on starters?

LetsTalkPacers84
10-12-2012, 06:58 PM
@MarkMontieth: Pacers starting lineup tonight: West, Mahinmi, Hansbrough, George, Augustin.

LetsTalkPacers84
10-12-2012, 07:04 PM
apparently he was wrong with Tyler. replaced with Green

CJ Jones
10-12-2012, 07:06 PM
games on 751 for direct tv customers

MnvrChvy
10-12-2012, 07:07 PM
Is this even on the radio?

Edit: nevermind. Found the strea.... uh... audio on NBA.com.

http://www.nba.com/broadband/alp_schedule.html?registration_url=ALP|11-12|NBA|League|AudioLeaguePass|Main


NBA puts this out for their All-Access members which is free I think.

Marlin
10-12-2012, 07:08 PM
Just a rotation to keep everyone healthy and fresh, I guess. Or are there any injuries?

rel
10-12-2012, 07:09 PM
for those watching the game, how's Paul doing? Already got 6 pts with 3/4 shooting...Looking good so far on paper :)

Heisenberg
10-12-2012, 07:10 PM
Just a rotation to keep everyone healthy and fresh, I guess. Or are there any injuries?
Hill has a "banged up" thumb

LoneGranger33
10-12-2012, 07:13 PM
Watched Wednesday's game on League Pass; can't do the same today. ****ing NBA.

Marlin
10-12-2012, 07:14 PM
Hill has a "banged up" thumb

Looks like a very minor injury, at least. Thanks for the heads up.

MnvrChvy
10-12-2012, 07:15 PM
Yeah... Brandon Roy doesn't have any game left...

:picard:

daschysta
10-12-2012, 07:16 PM
Yeah... Brandon Roy doesn't have any game left...

:picard:


We pursued him... He went to Minny because of a friend.

Marlin
10-12-2012, 07:17 PM
According to the stat line, West is having a good game.

McKeyFan
10-12-2012, 07:18 PM
games on 751 for direct tv customers
The guide said it was two other teams, otherwise I would not have missed the first ten minutes.

:smh:

MnvrChvy
10-12-2012, 07:20 PM
4 quick points for plumlee

daschysta
10-12-2012, 07:26 PM
http://www.nba.com/video/games/pacers/2012/10/12/0011200031-min-ind-play1.nba/index.html

Handles looked nice crossing up D-Will here.

vnzla81
10-12-2012, 07:30 PM
Louuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu :(

MvPlumlee
10-12-2012, 07:33 PM
Lou with range :D

MnvrChvy
10-12-2012, 07:34 PM
Yeeeeaaahhh........

I might have to lower my high expectations of the lineup of Plumlee, B.Hans, Pendergraph, Johnson, and Young.

Marlin
10-12-2012, 07:37 PM
http://www.nba.com/video/games/pacers/2012/10/12/0011200031-min-ind-play1.nba/index.html

Handles looked nice crossing up D-Will here.

Good stuff, that's gonna be huge if he can get guys off the dribble like that.

vnzla81
10-12-2012, 07:38 PM
OJ looks like the OJ of summer league, not that good.

vnzla81
10-12-2012, 07:40 PM
Lou blocked Plumlee :lol:

PGisthefuture
10-12-2012, 07:48 PM
Nice inbound play there.

PGisthefuture
10-12-2012, 07:53 PM
So much sloppiness...

Heisenberg
10-12-2012, 07:55 PM
Orlando Johnson hasn't shown me anything to make me think he should get a roster spot

vnzla81
10-12-2012, 07:57 PM
Orlando Johnson hasn't shown me anything to make me think he should get a roster spot

He is playing like the worse version of AJ Price and AJ Price was bad.

LoneGranger33
10-12-2012, 08:00 PM
Orlando Johnson hasn't shown me anything to make me think he should get a roster spot

Who has? Gaines, Hansbrough, Ahearn? Or do you just let em all walk?

Heisenberg
10-12-2012, 08:02 PM
Or do you just let em all walk?
Fine with me

CJ Jones
10-12-2012, 08:11 PM
George 15 shots in 16 minutes wow

PGisthefuture
10-12-2012, 08:14 PM
Mahinmi has looked nice.

righteouscool
10-12-2012, 08:14 PM
there is no doubt george's handles are better. he is dribbling a lot lower.

daschysta
10-12-2012, 08:18 PM
Liking Mahinmi, good rebounding instincts and can finish inside, nice pass by George for a Mahinmi Dunk, and a great find by West to find Mahinmi right before.

CJ Jones
10-12-2012, 08:19 PM
Nice hockey assist by lance. glad he didnt settle for the 3

McKeyFan
10-12-2012, 08:19 PM
OJ looks like the OJ of summer league, not that good.

Is he even gonna make the team?

TheDon
10-12-2012, 08:20 PM
Man Mahinmi is looking really good but haven't really seen him assert himself much defensively, hopefully he develops a bit of a mean streak in that regard...but he's French and they're not exactly notorious for being mean :D

daschysta
10-12-2012, 08:21 PM
George has shot alot, but he has had a few seriously nice moves off the dribble and going to the rim or pulling up. His ballhandling skills looks alot better.

vnzla81
10-12-2012, 08:24 PM
Is he even gonna make the team?

I don't think so.

LoneGranger33
10-12-2012, 08:24 PM
Can't wait till Danny comes back.

Pacergeek
10-12-2012, 08:28 PM
Fine with me

We should've kept Fez!!!!!

LetsTalkPacers84
10-12-2012, 08:28 PM
Anyone else hear Boyle during timeouts. Lol Hilarious.

CJ Jones
10-12-2012, 08:31 PM
hope Dwest tries a little harder during the regular season...

vnzla81
10-12-2012, 08:32 PM
Pendergrap think he is Kobe.

LoneGranger33
10-12-2012, 08:32 PM
Dahntay and DC would be wiping the floor with our current bench.

d_c
10-12-2012, 08:34 PM
Orlando Johnson hasn't shown me anything to make me think he should get a roster spot

It's tough being an under 6'4" SF.

LoneGranger33
10-12-2012, 08:35 PM
Plumlee gets blocked too much for a 7-footer.

PGisthefuture
10-12-2012, 08:36 PM
Gerald has a nice little fadeaway

vnzla81
10-12-2012, 08:36 PM
Nice shot by Green .

daschysta
10-12-2012, 08:36 PM
Green 2 really smooth looking shots in a row. You can tell he at least has some ability to make space to get his shot off coming off isolations.

LoneGranger33
10-12-2012, 08:39 PM
I wonder what those three (Hill, Hibbert, Granger) were pointing at...

They all look good in suits, though I hope not to see much more of that this year.

daschysta
10-12-2012, 08:39 PM
Dahntay and DC would be wiping the floor with our current bench.

Green is alot more talented offensively than Dahntay, he's a rotation quality player, Dahntay was a cheerleader last season. I personally prefer Augustin, but he and DC are close. Mahinmi is way better than Amundson.

daschysta
10-12-2012, 08:40 PM
Happy for Ben Hansbrough, hope he catches on somewhere if not here. I actually think that he's physically less limited for his position than Tyler (though Ty is a better player)

LoneGranger33
10-12-2012, 08:41 PM
Slick is praising Ben, and he's got some decent stats, making shots...is there, is there a chance?

vnzla81
10-12-2012, 08:41 PM
Wow Green now we are talking.

daschysta
10-12-2012, 08:41 PM
Green has been destroying shved in offensive ISO situations, he jumps so high he can get his shot off easily. These are real high quality NBA skills (not based on scoring, but ability to make space, shoot and create his own shot). He struggles defensively though. Overall he's impressed me though.

TheDon
10-12-2012, 08:42 PM
man pendergraph look like crap

vnzla81
10-12-2012, 08:43 PM
Ben is not that bad I think he can replace AJ Price, I mean anybody can replace AJ but you know what I mean :)

vnzla81
10-12-2012, 08:44 PM
man pendergraph look like crap

I have never seen him looking any better than crap, that is who he is I think.

TheDon
10-12-2012, 08:44 PM
wooooo green knots it all up

vnzla81
10-12-2012, 08:44 PM
Wow Green again

daschysta
10-12-2012, 08:44 PM
Green! He's been awesome in the second half.

TheDon
10-12-2012, 08:45 PM
and little hans gives us the lead!!

vnzla81
10-12-2012, 08:45 PM
It's hard not to root for Ben.

LoneGranger33
10-12-2012, 08:46 PM
Mark Boyle has no respect for baseball's All-Star game.

Goyle
10-12-2012, 08:47 PM
Gerald Green is awesome.

LetsTalkPacers84
10-12-2012, 08:47 PM
Any chance we get a Hansbrough Huddle fan section next season for the Hansbrough Brothers? :D

vnzla81
10-12-2012, 08:48 PM
What a pass OMG.

daschysta
10-12-2012, 08:48 PM
Pleasantly suprised by Minihans!

I think I may like him 3rd string more than Tyler 2nd string.

TheDon
10-12-2012, 08:49 PM
holy crap, what was that last thing that happened? it appeard a bunch of pacers were breaking fastly towards the basket?

daschysta
10-12-2012, 08:50 PM
Plumlee has had a few nice moves too. Green looks like he has a go-to move, i'm very impressed with him, it looks like a shot he can get off vs. anyone, he jumps ridiculously high and fades back a ton, and it looks automatic.

CompACE
10-12-2012, 08:50 PM
I just started watching maybe 10 minutes ago, and I swear, Pendergraph has already shot 3 jumpers in that time... Is one of the coaches telling him to keep shooting jumpshots?

vnzla81
10-12-2012, 08:50 PM
OK I'm sold let's bring Ben Hansbrough back.

TheDon
10-12-2012, 08:51 PM
omg gerald green you a beast

vnzla81
10-12-2012, 08:51 PM
I just started watching maybe 10 minutes ago, and I swear, Pendergraph has already shot 3 jumpers in that time... Is one of the coaches telling him to keep shooting jumpshots?

He is this year version of Mcbob.

Pacersalltheway10
10-12-2012, 08:53 PM
I think we are all going to be happy with what Plumlee becomes.

LetsTalkPacers84
10-12-2012, 08:54 PM
Gerald Green is trying to make my sarcastic "Gerald Green is our best player" comment look serious.

daschysta
10-12-2012, 08:54 PM
He is this year version of Mcbob.

Yeah, except he can't dribble, pass or sky so reaaalllly reallly bad. Both sucked at shooting.

vnzla81
10-12-2012, 08:55 PM
Finally Pendergrap was able to make a shot....... after the whistle......

daschysta
10-12-2012, 08:57 PM
Plumlee hasn't always hit, but he's had a few nice moves facing up surprisingly.

daschysta
10-12-2012, 09:01 PM
I feel much better about our bench right now than I did 2 nights ago. Mahinmi is a huge upgrade over any bench big we had last year.

vnzla81
10-12-2012, 09:02 PM
Ian and Pender were not able to finish in front of the rim.

Goyle
10-12-2012, 09:07 PM
Green and Mahinmi are so much better than Jones and Amundson

LoneGranger33
10-12-2012, 09:09 PM
HOLY ****.

vnzla81
10-12-2012, 09:09 PM
OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

Anthem
10-12-2012, 09:10 PM
Listening, sounds like Greene was amazing there. Would love to see that replay.

TheDon
10-12-2012, 09:10 PM
GERALD F'ING GREEN!!!

Goyle
10-12-2012, 09:10 PM
OH SHI

daschysta
10-12-2012, 09:11 PM
Holy crap Green! Fantastic game from he and Mahinmi, and George can be a bit careless with the ball still, but he showed off a few moves off the dribble that made me a believer in his improved ball handling.

Good game tonight.

Mini-Hans has to have the inside track on 3rd string pg after tonights game, he was great too.

vnzla81
10-12-2012, 09:13 PM
Ben and Green were the players of the game.

daschysta
10-12-2012, 09:14 PM
Greens dunk was sweet, but more impressive was his all around game, he looks like he can create his own shot, decent handles, decent rebounder and suprisingly good passer. He looks like a pretty complete offensive player to me, greatly looking forward to see if he can make a leap this year and come closer to his great potential.

MvPlumlee
10-12-2012, 09:14 PM
Could it be? 2 Hansbroughs on the team? :D

LoneGranger33
10-12-2012, 09:17 PM
Could it be? 2 Hansbroughs on the team? :D

Better than two Rushs?

Trophy
10-12-2012, 09:20 PM
Yeah how about that Gerald Green guy? He's pretty f*ing good.

clownskull
10-12-2012, 09:22 PM
didn't get to watch any of it but it sounded like green and lil hans played very well.
nice to hear about strong bench play.

MvPlumlee
10-12-2012, 09:24 PM
Better than two Rushs?

I don't know. I wasn't here back then. Did the Rush brothers get as much hate as the Hansbrough brothers are getting here?

LoneGranger33
10-12-2012, 09:26 PM
I don't know. I wasn't here back then. Did the Rush brothers get as much hate as the Hansbrough brothers are getting here?

They never overlapped, but each had his detractors, for sure.

owl
10-12-2012, 09:28 PM
OK I'm sold let's bring Ben Hansbrough back.

He certainly showed he is a gamer and has an excellent feel for the game

rel
10-12-2012, 09:29 PM
Our bench is looking pretty BA after that game. With DJ, Green, and Ian holding down the second unit, we're set.

...and maaaaan, that alley to Green was ridiculous. Sorry PG, but you are no longer the best dunker on this team :P

vnzla81
10-12-2012, 09:29 PM
They never overlapped, but each had his detractors, for sure.

To be fair we were told by Larry that one of the better shooters in the NBA was coming to indy and then he signed Kareem, so some people hated him for that.

vnzla81
10-12-2012, 09:31 PM
He certainly showed he is a gamer and has an excellent feel for the game

Call me crazy but I think he is better than AJ Price.

LoneGranger33
10-12-2012, 09:36 PM
Call me crazy but I think he is better than AJ Price.

Who in the NBA is worse than A.J. Price, in your opinion?

vnzla81
10-12-2012, 09:38 PM
Who in the NBA is worse than A.J. Price, in your opinion?

Drose in a wheel chair?

Cousy47
10-12-2012, 09:38 PM
He certainly showed he is a gamer and has an excellent feel for the game

Big East Player of the year 2009 on a decent Notre Dame team. Seems to know how to run a set play. Dribbles East and West a little more than I like to see, but maybe once the teammates start to trust him to get them the ball, that will stop. Really liked some of the byplay with Ben, Gerald and Sam Young after plays. Seem to be connecting at least in this game.

Tom White
10-12-2012, 09:39 PM
To be fair we were told by Larry that one of the better shooters in the NBA was coming to indy and then he signed Kareem, so some people hated him for that.

I remember him signing a different guard after that statement. Can't remember his name. I think he might have played for Orlando? People kidded about him being the ball boy or something. Sort of looked like Jordan Hulls. Maybe someone else will remember his name.

vnzla81
10-12-2012, 09:40 PM
I remember him signing a different guard after that statement. Can't remember his name. I think he might have played for Orlando? People kidded about him being the ball boy or something. Sort of looked like Jordan Hulls. Maybe someone else will remember his name.

It was Travis "the best NBA shooter2" Diener ;)

LoneGranger33
10-12-2012, 09:41 PM
Travis Diener. And how dare you forget his name!

Psyren
10-12-2012, 09:41 PM
Very pleased with Ben Hansbrough

pacer4ever
10-12-2012, 09:47 PM
I remember him signing a different guard after that statement. Can't remember his name. I think he might have played for Orlando? People kidded about him being the ball boy or something. Sort of looked like Jordan Hulls. Maybe someone else will remember his name.

Travis Diener and to be fair to Larry he is one of the best deep shooters he just is awful at everything else.


but on to the game Ian showed why I was in love with his signing tonight. Nice to finally have size and a guy who has skill and great on defense at the 5. I still and dumbfounded why he only got 4m a year I said at the time it was a steal and come playoff time it will show the best.


I have been a Pendy fan since his Ariz St days wanted to trade back and draft him on draft day he played like I envisioned tonight finally getting healthy and moving like he did in college. Pendy and Ian might be our best defensive bigs we have had in some time. I love how active both are and they both bring what we need glad Pendy is getting a shot hope he earns Tylers mins we need his defense and rebounding IMO.

We need to clean up our defense (DJ is gonna kill us all year Barea was getting wherever he wanted on him) a bit and run crisper sets but for our 2nd preseason game defiantly liked the improvement.


OJ is concerning me still think he will be fine but im weary he isn't separating at all(that was my main knock on him in college). In college he made tough shots so I didnt think it would be a big deal at the NBA level but he really needs to get a bit quicker and just settle into his game.

MvPlumlee
10-12-2012, 09:53 PM
I wonder how it would affect Tyler if Ben made the team. I saw him smiling during a timeout and it could be me, but I don't recall seeing him do that before. He always looks so serious, almost too serious.

You have to give everything you can, but having fun while playing should be a part of it.

Trophy
10-12-2012, 09:57 PM
We've got ourselves a pretty solid bench. We've definitely taken a step forward overall.

Ian is one of the best backup centers in the league and DJ could start for most teams.

I've always been a fan of Gerald and I'm thrilled he's a Pacer. He brings so many things this team has been searching for.

billbradley
10-12-2012, 09:58 PM
I predicted Vogel would call the infamous Cavs Jim O'Brien play for Green out of bounds alley for the dunk!

The stretch where we saw our new back up Center Ian versus our old back up Lou said a lot.

TMJ31
10-12-2012, 10:00 PM
Great second half! I hope that Little Hans makes the team. Not only has he been solid, but perhaps having his brother around would help Tyler?

daschysta
10-12-2012, 10:04 PM
We've got ourselves a pretty solid bench. We've definitely taken a step forward overall.

Ian is one of the best backup centers in the league and DJ could start for most teams.

I've always been a fan of Gerald and I'm thrilled he's a Pacer. He brings so many things this team has been searching for.

Idk about starting for msot teams for DJ, but he's a good backup point for sure. Our bench has a chance to be much better than last year though, that's for damn sure.

pacer4ever
10-12-2012, 10:05 PM
I predicted Vogel would call the infamous Cavs Jim O'Brien play for Green out of bounds alley for the dunk!

The stretch where we saw our new back up Center Ian versus our old back up Lou said a lot.

It wasn't Lou's fault really bad job by Bird we probably win the Heat series last season if we had a legit backup C and another wing defender like Rush. You cant rely on a guy with a gimpy back was beyond bad especially considering the drop off on both ends playing a poor player like Lou out of position.

You plug a Ian level player on too our bench last year we are much much better on defense and even a bit better on offense.

croz24
10-12-2012, 10:31 PM
Recall the majority of this board giving me a hard time when I said Ben Hans can ball when given the opportunity. Because supposedly he can't pass? Kid can play. He showed that at Notre Dame by winning Big East Player of the Year, and he showed it tonight. All he needs is a chance.

PacersandIU
10-12-2012, 10:46 PM
Ian Mahinmi was a beast... I didn't realize how big the guy was. Dang. Just watching those highlights, he's gonna be a drastic improvement coming off the bench for Hibbert.

xIndyFan
10-12-2012, 10:46 PM
Recall the majority of this board giving me a hard time when I said Ben Hans can ball when given the opportunity. Because supposedly he can't pass? Kid can play. He showed that at Notre Dame by winning Big East Player of the Year, and he showed it tonight. All he needs is a chance.

kid can play offensively. if he's not under pressure bringing the ball up. But he looked really weak on defense. both figuratively and literally. nice shooting though.

xIndyFan
10-12-2012, 10:50 PM
Ian Mahinmi was a beast... I didn't realize how big the guy was. Dang. Just watching those highlights, he's gonna be a drastic improvement coming off the bench for Hibbert.

He was a lot smoother than I expected. and less clumsy. One thing struck me, he does a really nice job of getting open under the rim. Somewhat like Marquis daniels used to. Just kind of stands there, but in just a way that opens up a passing lane to his hands. Very nice talent to have. Be even nicer if his hands were better, but still, figuring a way to get yourself open at the front of the rim is a nice skill to have.

graphic-er
10-12-2012, 10:52 PM
Just got back from the game, my new wife and I actually got row 2 seats section 15 for this game. Gratis from her employer. It turns out during the second half Hansbrough's Father "elder Hansbrough" as I referred to him under my breath, came up and sat courtside just infront of us for the entire 2nd half. I figured out it was him by his passionate grunts when ever Ben made a play. He was very excited for his boy. He was also cheering hard for Mahinmi. Judging by the various texts he was sending out the he was on pins and needles for that 2nd half, and completely lost it when Ben threw the alley oop on the inbounds pass to seal the game. Really interesting to see a glimpse into that life and situation, I started really cheering for Hansbrough along with him.

I did not talk him up or anything, figured he was intensely focused. But we exchanged comments here or there about a play.

Funny note, I had to stop my wife from saying something mean about Tyler, because she didn't realize who was right there infront of us. She kept saying "can we trade Tyler for Ben? He is much better" I talked her down from hating on Tyler so early after not even seeing how he has improved yet.....even though we both do not care for Tyler's game at all. Just felt terrible to say something disparaging about a man's son right in his immediate ear shot.

Oh yeah, i'm calling it right now. Gerald Green 6th man of the year.

Oh yeah some of Paul's crew "the Pac Gang" were there courtside under the basket. I recognized the ridiculous tiger head tattoos on their hands.

Heisenberg
10-12-2012, 11:05 PM
I wonder how it would affect Tyler if Ben made the team. I saw him smiling during a timeout and it could be me, but I don't recall seeing him do that before. He always looks so serious, almost too serious.

You have to give everything you can, but having fun while playing should be a part of it.

Hans always seems like such a loner to me. I don't mean that disparagingly, just what I see. You don't really see him chatting it up with guys on the bench, cracking jokes, that kinda stuff.

DieHard
10-12-2012, 11:08 PM
Just getting home from the game too. Big thanks to pacerscolts1125 for the great seats in section 5. My fiance and I had a blast at the Fieldhouse as always. Green is her new favorite player as 25 was her number in high school, and green is her favorite color. Not to mention the insane, pogo-sticks that guy has for legs. Ian is what stood out to me the most though, as good as Green was tonight. As others have said, he looked big and strong, did a good job getting open under the rim, and knocked down his free throws with a nice looking stroke. It's nice to have two big guys who can cash in the free ones. Speaking of free ones, funniest moment of the night was Plumlee's air ball free throw, but to be fair he had a few nice moments as well. All in all tonight got me so excited to start the real games. Go Pacers!

ilive4sports
10-12-2012, 11:10 PM
Recall the majority of this board giving me a hard time when I said Ben Hans can ball when given the opportunity. Because supposedly he can't pass? Kid can play. He showed that at Notre Dame by winning Big East Player of the Year, and he showed it tonight. All he needs is a chance.
i also believe you said he could be a starter in this league. Tyler is arguably the greatest ACC player of all time, yet everyone knows he shouldnt be starting.

Glad Mahinmi played well. I think he will be extremely valuable to us. I was one of the few that liked the trade because it brought in a legit back up big man which we disparately needed. We essentially traded our back up PG for a back up PF/C. And we were able to fill the back up PG slot with ease in DJ. Was a very solid trade by the FO.

ECKrueger
10-12-2012, 11:12 PM
In case you missed Green's dunk:

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billbradley
10-12-2012, 11:13 PM
It wasn't Lou's fault really bad job by Bird we probably win the Heat series last season if we had a legit backup C and another wing defender like Rush. You cant rely on a guy with a gimpy back was beyond bad especially considering the drop off on both ends playing a poor player like Lou out of position.

You plug a Ian level player on too our bench last year we are much much better on defense and even a bit better on offense.

That's what I was saying for the most part. Seeing Ian, a real backup center versus our old backup Lou has me excited for the season.

I'm not sure who Larry was supposed to get that was a legit backup like Ian seems to be without just making other holes in the roster. The reason we were able to get Ian was because of free agency.

Hicks
10-12-2012, 11:14 PM
Some encouraging signs from our new bench on display tonight. I'm excited to see how the regular rotation looks after a while.

owl
10-12-2012, 11:16 PM
kid can play offensively. if he's not under pressure bringing the ball up. But he looked really weak o defense. both figuratively and literally. nice shooting though.

He will be no worse than DJ

Hicks
10-12-2012, 11:19 PM
Also, while I'm sure his FG% was terrible, I liked how noticeably more aggressive Paul George was on offense. Polar opposite of his often silent self from last season.

I didn't get a great feel for his ball handling, but my very rough impression was that it has improved and gotten tighter than before. But he's still a 6'10" guy trying to dribble like a 6'5" guy, and it's still somewhat awkward.

pacer4ever
10-12-2012, 11:23 PM
That's what I was saying for the most part. Seeing Ian, a real backup center versus our old backup Lou has me excited for the season.

I'm not sure who Larry was supposed to get that was a legit backup like Ian seems to be without just making other holes in the roster. The reason we were able to get Ian was because of free agency.

We had almost 12m in cap room all last year. We could of got a guy to fill the void post lockout but Bird felt Jeff would be fine. I'm sure if Bird at it to do over he wouldn't do the same thing. I still am shocked Ian signed for 4m I though he was a Asik level of guy and Asik is making double the money. Yes Asik is a better rebounder but Ian is more mobile and has more offense defensively they are both great and both are foul prone.

Heisenberg
10-12-2012, 11:25 PM
Also, while I'm sure his FG% was terrible, I liked how noticeably more aggressive Paul George was on offense. Polar opposite of his often silent self from last season.

I didn't get a great feel for his ball handling, but my very rough impression was that it has improved and gotten tighter than before. But he's still a 6'10" guy trying to dribble like a 6'5" guy, and it's still somewhat awkward.PG ended up 8-18, not great obviously and he only got 19 points out of it, but not that bad. Expected worse before I looked.

clownskull
10-12-2012, 11:25 PM
is there anywhere i can find video highlights of the game?

Hicks
10-12-2012, 11:30 PM
http://www.nba.com/video/games/pacers/2012/10/12/0011200031-min-ind-recap.nba/index.html

pacer4ever
10-12-2012, 11:32 PM
Recall the majority of this board giving me a hard time when I said Ben Hans can ball when given the opportunity. Because supposedly he can't pass? Kid can play. He showed that at Notre Dame by winning Big East Player of the Year, and he showed it tonight. All he needs is a chance.

You said he is a starting NBA caliber pg and that simply is not true IMO. I hope he makes the lg still a long shot IMO. love when guys prove us wrong. His defense is really bad but he did run a team better than I thought he could 2nite I'm intersted to see if he can duplicate that performance vs Legit nba guys on a daily basis His decision making was still suspect he read the PNR wrong several times but he was hitting tough shots so it didn't hurt him. But he missed Pendy and Plums for eat layups.

Marlin
10-12-2012, 11:42 PM
Greens dunk was sweet, but more impressive was his all around game, he looks like he can create his own shot, decent handles, decent rebounder and suprisingly good passer. He looks like a pretty complete offensive player to me, greatly looking forward to see if he can make a leap this year and come closer to his great potential.

Agreed on everything. And just to add a down to earth comment: I've never seen a guy jump as high as Green. Seems like he hangs in the air forever, insane athleticism.

clownskull
10-13-2012, 12:16 AM
after seeing some of the highlights, i am impressed with green. he looks like he has come quite a way from when he first came into the league when all he could really do were highlight dunks. those turnaround shot were tough and he looked comfortable taking them. he could very well become our big option off the bench with capabilities of filling on for sick/injured starters. this is excellent news. nice to see mahinmi out there. he really does have true center length out there and should serve as a quality backup for roy.
i guess i will have to wait til next Saturday when foxsports shows a game to really see these guys and i will probably dvr it too.
does fell good to feel optimistic about my 2 favorite hoops teams being relevant again. it almost never happens. i would believe the end of times were near if the pacers, colts and hoosiers (in hoops and football) could all be good at once though.

Trader Joe
10-13-2012, 12:34 AM
Green is the bench wing scorer we've been looking for.

Plumlee will end up taking any minutes Tyler was supposed to get.

That is what I took from the game tonight.

Goyle
10-13-2012, 12:41 AM
Was there any word on why Tyler didn't play tonight? Both Pendy and Plumlee looked like they'd be able to step in for him and we wouldn't miss anything Tyler brings.

clownskull
10-13-2012, 12:47 AM
Was there any word on why Tyler didn't play tonight? Both Pendy and Plumlee looked like they'd be able to step in for him and we wouldn't miss anything Tyler brings.

i suppose that since this was preseason, the intent was to check out guys who either haven't gotten much burn before (pendy) and guys who haven't played like plum. and this being preseason, this is the perfect opportunity since there is no consequence if we lose.
we need to see the unknowns and little knowns and see what we got.

CableKC
10-13-2012, 12:51 AM
Also, while I'm sure his FG% was terrible, I liked how noticeably more aggressive Paul George was on offense. Polar opposite of his often silent self from last season.

I didn't get a great feel for his ball handling, but my very rough impression was that it has improved and gotten tighter than before. But he's still a 6'10" guy trying to dribble like a 6'5" guy, and it's still somewhat awkward.
I noticed that Granger, Hibbert and Hill wasn't playing....could it be that allowed PG to be the #1 scoring option on the floor? He took 18 FGA this game.

kester99
10-13-2012, 01:06 AM
Just got back from the game, also. Green, Mahinmi, and Ben H. That was the story, to me, and this whole thread reflects that already, so not much to add.

Pendergraph still doesn't impress me much. Tries hard, boards OK, and we're giving him plenty of opportunity preseason, it seems, but I think even Plumlee would make a better back-up.

woowoo
10-13-2012, 01:23 AM
OJ looks like the OJ of summer league, not that good.

This guy is just plain HORRIBLE....

Any of you think Ben H as a shot at making the squad?

Dr. Awesome
10-13-2012, 01:59 AM
I wonder why Lance Stephenson has hardly played at all. Anyone think this is the end for him in Indiana?

Also a little concerned we only got Green on a 1 year deal, I'm really wishing we had him for longer.

daschysta
10-13-2012, 02:00 AM
Also, while I'm sure his FG% was terrible, I liked how noticeably more aggressive Paul George was on offense. Polar opposite of his often silent self from last season.

I didn't get a great feel for his ball handling, but my very rough impression was that it has improved and gotten tighter than before. But he's still a 6'10" guy trying to dribble like a 6'5" guy, and it's still somewhat awkward.

8/18 is actually roughly the same percentage he shot last season. If he can keep up this efficiency at a high volume it's a win for us. George's ball handling imo was pretty significantly improved, yeah he waffled here and there, but he was also crossing people over and getting wherever he wanted to most of the time, his little pull up from mid-range looked particularly good, since off the dribble no shooting guard is really tall enough to contest it.

daschysta
10-13-2012, 02:03 AM
I wonder why Lance Stephenson has hardly played at all. Anyone think this is the end for him in Indiana?

Also a little concerned we only got Green on a 1 year deal, I'm really wishing we had him for longer.

Your wish is granted, we have Green 3 years, DJ is 1 year.

Heisenberg
10-13-2012, 02:44 AM
Was there any word on why Tyler didn't play tonight? Both Pendy and Plumlee looked like they'd be able to step in for him and we wouldn't miss anything Tyler brings.

Can't remember where I saw it, it was a quote from Frank though, but Vogel just wanted to get Plums/Ian/Pendergraph more minutes. Nothing to read into.

Johanvil
10-13-2012, 04:55 AM
Haven't seen a lot of Green so is he a guy who can create his own shot or he will come off screens and shoot the ball or be on the receiving end of an alley hoop?

MvPlumlee
10-13-2012, 07:27 AM
Hans always seems like such a loner to me. I don't mean that disparagingly, just what I see. You don't really see him chatting it up with guys on the bench, cracking jokes, that kinda stuff.

Exactly my thoughts.

Or when he is shooting free throws and nobody reaches over to execute the touching hands ritual.

xIndyFan
10-13-2012, 10:31 AM
He will be no worse than DJ

Defensively, yes, neither of them looks like a guy you want guarding the ball during crunch time. But DJ is a legit NBA PG. Ball on a string, dribble in traffic, two good hands, difficult to pressure, all that kind of stuff. Ben looks like an undersized 2 learning to play the 1.

jmo, but I do think the Pacers are looking at him as the 3rd PG. The question should be is he better than Sundiata [sic] Gaines, not DJ Augustin. He might be, IDK. I haven't seen Gaines in person enough to have an informed opinion.

McKeyFan
10-13-2012, 10:57 AM
Or when he is shooting free throws and nobody reaches over to execute the touching hands ritual.

Never noticed. I'll have to look for that.

rel
10-13-2012, 12:00 PM
Hans always seems like such a loner to me. I don't mean that disparagingly, just what I see. You don't really see him chatting it up with guys on the bench, cracking jokes, that kinda stuff.

when I was at the Pacers game in ATL last year, I remember during a play that got stopped early bc of some whistle, Tyler was driving to the basket and did a behind the back pass to someone. The play was dead by then, but how he reacted was so un-Tyler it stuck with me. Right after his pass, he looked directly at Dahntay (who was on the bench) and smirked (probably the most genuine emotion I had ever seen from him). I looked over at Dahntay, and he was clapping his hands and cracking up. There was some weird connection between them that moment...

kester99
10-13-2012, 12:10 PM
Oh...almost forgot! Area 55 sounded fantastic. Good stuff.

MvPlumlee
10-13-2012, 12:51 PM
Never noticed. I'll have to look for that.

It might be already too late. Watching the preseason games, he seems to have made huge improvement in that department. :happydanc

CJ Jones
10-13-2012, 01:28 PM
loved greens game but i thought he was getting a little too emotional for a preseason game. something to keep an eye on

Sandman21
10-13-2012, 01:29 PM
I think Ben makes the team as the 15th guy, and him and OJ spend much of the season in Fort Wayne.

graphic-er
10-13-2012, 01:58 PM
my other take from last night is that Sam Young is Garbage. Good defender, but can't do much else with the ball. I think Hansbrough will make this team over Ahearn, Gaines, and young.

pacer4ever
10-13-2012, 02:12 PM
I think Ben makes the team as the 15th guy, and him and OJ spend much of the season in Fort Wayne.


my other take from last night is that Sam Young is Garbage. Good defender, but can't do much else with the ball. I think Hansbrough will make this team over Ahearn, Gaines, and young.

I dont think there is anyway we keep 15 players my guess is 13 maybe 14. I really doubt Ben makes the team I wouldn't keep him. I think Sam Young is a lock he is a player who will be valuable for depth purposes and come playoff time wouldn't be surprised if he is in the rotation versus a team like Miami or Boston who has good wings.

I think we cut Ahearn Gaines and Hans really no need to keep them. If we have an injury we could always sign a pg from the Dleague to a 10 day contract.

imbtyler
10-13-2012, 03:15 PM
Top 10 from last night's preseason games, the Pacers make three highlights, and one lowlight (Gentle Ben gets blocked by Dante Cunningham at #10).

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/kyPYURTjSQY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

LoneGranger33
10-13-2012, 03:56 PM
Ian Mamasaymamasamamahinmi.

Cousy47
10-13-2012, 04:42 PM
It might be already too late. Watching the preseason games, he seems to have made huge improvement in that department. :happydanc

I agree. I think last year's disconnect from his teammates was very unusual. He seemed to be a lot more of a team guy his first 2 years and a much bigger cheerleader. He seems to be more connected during this pre-season.Makes me wonder just how much his confidence was shaken by being replaced as a starter last year. From the first year when he coined the nickname Goonies the younger players seemed to rally around him. Last year(including the AJ Price weirdness on the bench) there did not seem to be any enjoyment with Tyler and his unit mates at all???

xIndyFan
10-13-2012, 05:12 PM
The most important thing I got from this game is the Pacers look like they've 8 guys that can play. DJ, Ian and GG all look good enough to play extended minutes in the playoffs. By the end of the Miami series, Frank had maybe 6 guys he could count on. So everyone played extra minutes and ran out of gas at the end. Seems a silly thing to think about during the first home preseason game, but it is better than the Murphleavy years of looking for someone other than danny or jeff.

GauchoDon
10-13-2012, 05:44 PM
Sorry to see OJ struggling so much. I haven't been a huge NBA fan, so I generally don't watch the preseason roster dances, but I have a question for you veteran fans:
What are the odds an underperforming player with a guaranteed contract ends up on the D-League team instead of the last man on the regular roster when his salary is 40% cheaper than the non-guaranteed players who would get that last spot instead?

I hope he picks it up before the end of preseason, cause I'm sure he can do better, but realistically, the D-League might do him good. Word is he's gotten a lot thinner, trying to be quicker and have more hops and I'm guessing that he's worked so hard on that... it's messed up his generally reliable shot. Still surprised he's actually doing worse in preseason than the miserable shooting performance of summer, but still believe he'll come around and prove to you all why the team wanted him. It just might not be until next year. :(

GauchoDon
10-13-2012, 06:14 PM
Surprised to see OJ shooting worse in the preseason than he did in the Summer League. Besides not turning the ball over, the last spots on the roster need to be halfway decent streak shooters. I'm sure he can fill this role, even though he hasn't shown any of that in a Pacer's uniform yet.

I'm not a big NBA fan and haven't really paid attention to preseason roster dances previously. So I have a question for you veteran fans:
How often does a player with a guaranteed contract that's 40% cheaper than his non-guaranteed borderline teammates ends up in the D-league instead of rarely playing from the last roster spot?

Based on performance so far, i think playing in the D-league would actually be better than that rarely used last roster spot, but would be much prouder if he actually made the regular roster.

wtelfair
10-13-2012, 09:25 PM
I dont think there is anyway we keep 15 players my guess is 13 maybe 14. I really doubt Ben makes the team I wouldn't keep him. I think Sam Young is a lock he is a player who will be valuable for depth purposes and come playoff time wouldn't be surprised if he is in the rotation versus a team like Miami or Boston who has good wings.

I think we cut Ahearn Gaines and Hans really no need to keep them. If we have an injury we could always sign a pg from the Dleague to a 10 day contract.


Pacer4ever, the Pacers almost never do 10 day contracts.

Hicks
10-14-2012, 10:19 AM
loved greens game but i thought he was getting a little too emotional for a preseason game. something to keep an eye on

To be fair, wasn't he emotional on the heels of a big comeback that included some big plays from him?

MvPlumlee
10-14-2012, 11:39 AM
To be fair, wasn't he emotional on the heels of a big comeback that included some big plays from him?

To be even more fair, his dunk gave us a 6 points lead with less than 24 seconds on the clock and while it might not have totally sealed the deal, it definitely took away some of the confidence of the opponent. Anyone who is competitive knows, a win is a win, even when you are playing a cardgame with your friends.

The fact it is just a preseason game also speaks in his favor. Nothing is at stake, so you don't have to block your emotions as much as in regular games.

Cousy47
10-14-2012, 01:11 PM
One good thing from Greens salute after the dunk, he got a technical for it. If celebrating on big dunks draw a technical every game, LeBron won't pay but 1 quarter a game! We can just clear out and let LBJ thunder dunk the first 2 possessions and he'll be gone?

CableKC
10-14-2012, 01:15 PM
my other take from last night is that Sam Young is Garbage. Good defender, but can't do much else with the ball. I think Hansbrough will make this team over Ahearn, Gaines, and young.
Yeah...but that's likely why he was brought in....to be a smart veteran defender not an all around player that could do everything well. Young would essentially fill the role that Inferno filled on the Team....be the pesky defender role player that could come off the bench ( hopefully without the tendency to try to do his best impression of Kobe on us on the offensive end ). If we have 2 open spots to take on Players....I don't see why Young wouldn't be the 1st guy and then whichever PG is the best of the bunch.

xIndyFan
10-14-2012, 01:30 PM
Depends on how the Pacers want to use the last roster spot. If they want to keep a spot open in case someone gets hurt or plays bad or whatever, then they have to choose between Young and the 3rd PG.

My guess is still Young makes the team if no one else plays well enough to be the 4th wing/backup SG. If Lance or OJ or Green looks like they can do the job, Young gets cut. In other words, Young makes the team if he makes the regular rotation. If not, they won't keep him as an extra guy. IMO, the Pacers keep a 3rd PG and call it a day. I didn't see anything in Young's play that screamed he's any better than anyone else.


Yeah...but that's likely why he was brought in....to be a smart veteran defender not an all around player that could do everything well. Young would essentially fill the role that Inferno filled on the Team....be the pesky defender role player that could come off the bench ( hopefully without the tendency to try to do his best impression of Kobe on us on the offensive end ). If we have 2 open spots to take on Players....I don't see why Young wouldn't be the 1st guy and then whichever PG is the best of the bunch.

Strummer
10-14-2012, 01:35 PM
To be fair, wasn't he emotional on the heels of a big comeback that included some big plays from him?

He said he has some history with the guy.


Green drew a technical foul on the play for taunting after staring at defender Jermaine Taylor.

"I kind of know the guy," Green said. "We have a little history ... it wasn't nothing personal. I got caught up in the moment. I'll never do it again."

link (http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/ben-hansbrough-making-most-opportunity)

McKeyFan
10-14-2012, 01:39 PM
I was just looking at the roster at Pacers.com. 18 names listed. Doesn't that mean only 3 must be cut?

Neville is gone
Ahearn is gone

That means it's between:

Ben Hans
Sundiata Gaines

I don't see how anyone else is threatened.

xIndyFan
10-14-2012, 04:08 PM
I was just looking at the roster at Pacers.com. 18 names listed. Doesn't that mean only 3 must be cut?

Neville is gone
Ahearn is gone

That means it's between:

Ben Hans
Sundiata Gaines

I don't see how anyone else is threatened.

young is the other non-guaranteed contract. I don't see him staying unless he plays well enough to be the backup 2. Either by young playing well or lance and OJ not playing well. The fight for the 4th wing and 4th big spots in camp should be interesting.

Strummer
10-14-2012, 04:36 PM
young is the other non-guaranteed contract. I don't see him staying unless he plays well enough to be the backup 2. Either by young playing well or lance and OJ not playing well. The fight for the 4th wing and 4th big spots in camp should be interesting.

Young is almost guaranteed to make the team because of Danny's injury. Without Young, if Danny is hobbled we only have Green and Paul George to man the 3. And that creates issues at the 2. So we need Young to be our third 3.

xIndyFan
10-14-2012, 05:46 PM
Young is almost guaranteed to make the team because of Danny's injury. Without Young, if Danny is hobbled we only have Green and Paul George to man the 3. And that creates issues at the 2. So we need Young to be our third 3.

This would be a good example of a reason for Young to make the team. If Danny is hurt enough not to play. Or the Pacers could keep the 15th spot open and get a guy if and when Danny can't play. I would guess it depends on Lance and/or OJ's ability to take rotation minutes. So far, Young has not shown any reason to keep him other than as an emergency.

rock747
10-14-2012, 07:45 PM
I'm excited for Gerald Green, and Mahimni is intriguing as well.