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granger4mvp
10-10-2012, 09:38 AM
Just seen on ch 751 on directv just in case no one seen it

Trader Joe
10-10-2012, 10:13 AM
I heard the game is not on TV? What channel is 751? Is that league pass? Are they doing the free preview?

Unclebuck
10-10-2012, 10:26 AM
It is on if you have Directv League Pass. No other carrier or outlet will have it.

Trader Joe
10-10-2012, 10:32 AM
The Pacers twitter account said the game is not on TV at all.

daschysta
10-10-2012, 10:46 AM
It is for Directtv leaguepassers. The twitter is referring to being broadcast locally or nationally, like FSI.

xBulletproof
10-10-2012, 10:52 AM
I may call some bars and see if they have DirecTV and League Pass.

BillS
10-10-2012, 10:54 AM
Basically when I had DirecTV League Pass the preseason games were the generic video feed plus the radio audio. Technically that wouldn't be a TV broadcast, so pacers.com wouldn't list it as such.

rock747
10-10-2012, 11:10 AM
Man, I remember these feeds when I had Direct TV. No commentator sound sometimes... wish comcast would carry the game

RandyWrinkles
10-10-2012, 11:12 AM
I'm sure there will be a free trial for the LP but does anyone know if it's in effect yet?

threein73
10-10-2012, 11:23 AM
]Man, I remember these feeds when I had Direct TV. No commentator sound sometimes... wish comcast would carry the game[/QUOTE]

Me too!! I had to switch to Comcast due to tree growth.. really miss DTV!

vnzla81
10-10-2012, 11:24 AM
It looks like my "free channel" is going to show the game :)

threein73
10-10-2012, 11:24 AM
I wonder if there is ANY way to see on-line?

Derek2k3
10-10-2012, 11:25 AM
I'm sure there will be a free trial for the LP but does anyone know if it's in effect yet?

Preseason games are always free on DirecTV. Basically, if you have DirecTV, you get the game.

Trader Joe
10-10-2012, 11:36 AM
It looks like my "free channel" is going to show the game :)

Do you have directv? Or do you have a "free channel" link?

daschysta
10-10-2012, 11:37 AM
I'm sure there will be a free trial for the LP but does anyone know if it's in effect yet?

Nope, goes into effect I think the 27th- november 2nd.

Derek2k3
10-10-2012, 11:48 AM
Nope, goes into effect I think the 27th- november 2nd.

Actually, its 10/30-11/05 or 11/06, can't remember which.

However, just to be clear, the preseason games aren't a part of the "League Pass" subscription, this is just something that they use the league pass channels for and ANYONE with DirecTV gets them.

vnzla81
10-10-2012, 12:03 PM
Do you have directv? Or do you have a "free channel" link?

Can't answer this question ;)

waterboy
10-10-2012, 12:05 PM
We do not allow posting of non NBA sanctioned streaming websites, thank you

Trader Joe
10-10-2012, 12:07 PM
Can't answer this question ;)

PM?

Marlin
10-10-2012, 12:14 PM
I wonder if there is ANY way to see on-line?

Being overseas and all, that's how I usually watch'em games. I think I found one that should be up for tonight's game, just PM me if you need it :)

DGPR
10-10-2012, 12:56 PM
It would certainly be nice to be able to see the game tonight, but I don't have DirecTV.

DEEman
10-10-2012, 07:39 PM
After reading some notes about Young on pacers.com im curious in how good of a defender he is.. He is starting tonight, so a good way to see him playing some big minutes.

But first trying to find a stream now.

colts19
10-10-2012, 07:51 PM
I don't have league pass but I do have Directv and I am getting the game on channel 751

pacer4ever
10-10-2012, 07:51 PM
Pacers radio is on the Direct TV feed

righteouscool
10-10-2012, 07:57 PM
I posted this in the other thread, but it seems more people are viewing this thread. You can watch this on league pass broadband for free.

Jose31917
10-10-2012, 07:58 PM
Lets go Pacers!! haha I'm so happy we're back!

ReginaldWayne
10-10-2012, 07:59 PM
Man i really really wish there was somewhere online to watch this game. If anyone knows please let me know!

PGisthefuture
10-10-2012, 08:00 PM
I posted this in the other thread, but it seems more people are viewing this thread. You can watch this on league pass broadband for free.

How do you go about doing this?

Johanvil
10-10-2012, 08:03 PM
I just signed in on NBA TV and it's not free.

righteouscool
10-10-2012, 08:04 PM
How do you go about doing this?

you just register at nba.com

rock747
10-10-2012, 08:04 PM
I posted this in the other thread, but it seems more people are viewing this thread. You can watch this on league pass broadband for free.

how?

rock747
10-10-2012, 08:04 PM
How do you launch the broadband?

PGisthefuture
10-10-2012, 08:06 PM
you just register at nba.com

What do you click on lol?

Johanvil
10-10-2012, 08:08 PM
If anyone has found a working link,please PM me.

PGisthefuture
10-10-2012, 08:10 PM
I just signed in on NBA TV and it's not free.

Same here

righteouscool
10-10-2012, 08:11 PM
http://premium.nba.com/pr/leaguepass/app/2012/console.html

impossible to find listed anywhere on the nba.com site. Not sure if it's even supposed to work, but it does.

EDIT: Believe it works with an nba.com account, but not entirely sure. Can anyone verify?


I just click the link above and it takes me to broadband. You can register for broadband at https://audience.nba.com/services/msib/flow/registerOrLogin;jsessionid=04EF07E00C50A21BE7BA63A E2277DFB7?_flowExecutionKey=e1s1&_eventId=register

DEEman
10-10-2012, 08:12 PM
stream here guys ;)

Illegal streaming will not be tolerated here on PD

rock747
10-10-2012, 08:13 PM
I get a server error

Marlin
10-10-2012, 08:14 PM
Firstrowsports stream just started ;)

DEEman
10-10-2012, 08:14 PM
Click again, its working!

vnzla81
10-10-2012, 08:16 PM
Guys you are not supposed to post that, remove it before you get in trouble.

vnzla81
10-10-2012, 08:16 PM
Regarding the game it looks like the offense looks the same than last year.

daschysta
10-10-2012, 08:17 PM
Sloppy play by both teams so far, as is to be expected, George has got to the line twice already at least, DJ is bad at defense, but hit a nice 3.

Jose31917
10-10-2012, 08:17 PM
so many turnovers....

BRushWithDeath
10-10-2012, 08:18 PM
Tebrough looks to be in midseason form already.

rock747
10-10-2012, 08:18 PM
Wow, thanks.... on girlfriends computer.. is this site safe? ha

daschysta
10-10-2012, 08:18 PM
Great play by Stephenson, found DJ wide open for his 2nd 3 of the game. Hans is terrible. Nice Jumpshot by Hibs.

Kuq_e_Zi91
10-10-2012, 08:20 PM
Hibbert with the faceup off the glass from 17 feet? Thanks, Tim.

DEEman
10-10-2012, 08:21 PM
Guys you are not supposed to post that, remove it before you get in trouble.

You are kiddin me right? This is a independent forum and when i see a fan having troubles finding a stream to watch our pacers im gonna post the link

Hypnotiq
10-10-2012, 08:21 PM
lol lance

DGPR
10-10-2012, 08:22 PM
Wow, I can't believe how crappy this feed is, and I'm sitting here watching it because i'm that much of a fan.

DEEman
10-10-2012, 08:23 PM
It looks like a recording from yeaarss ago ha

Marlin
10-10-2012, 08:24 PM
Sam Young had a nice move, it just baffles me how this guy wasn't on any team by mid August

Marlin
10-10-2012, 08:25 PM
It looks like a recording from yeaarss ago ha

Best part is we get the radio feed for the audio :D

daschysta
10-10-2012, 08:25 PM
Ahearn has no shot of making this team, Sam Young had a really nice move slashing to the basket for 2 though.

Hypnotiq
10-10-2012, 08:26 PM
Lance's jumper is still broken i dont think it will ever be fixed

BobbyMac
10-10-2012, 08:26 PM
League Pass channel 751 on Direct TV. Hope that helps someone, guess we're getting this free for the preseason.

daschysta
10-10-2012, 08:29 PM
Lance has done a nice job creating shots for himself, even if he only hit one of them, that last jumper looked nice though, and had a nice assist as well. I'm curious to see if he can consistently hit from range now, as training camp seemed to suggest, that would open up that game for him an awful lot.

BobbyMac
10-10-2012, 08:29 PM
I do enjoy hearing Mark call the game. Far less gab and more game info!

vnzla81
10-10-2012, 08:29 PM
Stuckey got hurt big time.

vnzla81
10-10-2012, 08:33 PM
That old looking guy the Pacers have is not that bad.

Hypnotiq
10-10-2012, 08:33 PM
Ahearn has zero chance of making this team.

Marlin
10-10-2012, 08:34 PM
Mahinmi has to hang onto those offensive boards, come on big man that's 2 points wasted

daschysta
10-10-2012, 08:35 PM
Ahearn has been painful to watch, just terrible. He's not an NBA player.

Nuntius
10-10-2012, 08:36 PM
Mahinmi has to hang onto those offensive boards, come on big man that's 2 points wasted

I appreciate his offensive rebounding insticts, though.

daschysta
10-10-2012, 08:36 PM
Plumlee in!

vnzla81
10-10-2012, 08:36 PM
Plumlee is in Baby :dance:

Pacemaker
10-10-2012, 08:37 PM
Lance looking better.

Hypnotiq
10-10-2012, 08:37 PM
is ahearn scared to shoot the ball or something?

shoot it dude.

vnzla81
10-10-2012, 08:39 PM
Pendergraft got stuffed.

Marlin
10-10-2012, 08:40 PM
I appreciate his offensive rebounding insticts, though.

Yeah that's something you can't teach

Nuntius
10-10-2012, 08:40 PM
Good offensive board by Plums, good assist by Ahearn and good slam by Plums :)

Psyren
10-10-2012, 08:40 PM
Nice tap out by Plumlee

Nuntius
10-10-2012, 08:40 PM
Pendergraft got stuffed.

Big time.

MvPlumlee
10-10-2012, 08:40 PM
Miles Plumlee baby!

Pacemaker
10-10-2012, 08:43 PM
Whats up with all of this playing time for Pendy?

MvPlumlee
10-10-2012, 08:43 PM
Yes, take Miles out Frank! Terrible that guy!

DGPR
10-10-2012, 08:44 PM
Why in the hell is pendergraft shooting so many jumpers???

vnzla81
10-10-2012, 08:44 PM
Tyler is in :dance:

Pacemaker
10-10-2012, 08:45 PM
What the hell?? Johnson?

vnzla81
10-10-2012, 08:46 PM
Why in the hell is pendergraft shooting so many jumpers???

I hear that he was shooting 500 threes a day. (green)

MvPlumlee
10-10-2012, 08:46 PM
Yes, Frank, GREAT offense we have!

DGPR
10-10-2012, 08:47 PM
George's handles do look improved but the behind the back passes he is doing need to stop.

Nuntius
10-10-2012, 08:48 PM
Augustin can pass :)

boombaby1987
10-10-2012, 08:48 PM
George's handles look just as out of control.

DGPR
10-10-2012, 08:48 PM
Oh dear it was a first of many alley-oop from DJ to George

Pacemaker
10-10-2012, 08:48 PM
I'm liking DJ's dishing ability!

daschysta
10-10-2012, 08:50 PM
George's handles look just as out of control.

I actually think his handles look better, his turnovers haven't been because of them, they've been errant passes. George has been able to get where he wants with the dribble for the most part.

Marlin
10-10-2012, 08:50 PM
It's night and day when DJ is in. You obviously can tell the difference with Ahern (not a knock on the guy, just stating the obvious)

daschysta
10-10-2012, 08:50 PM
Yeah, I like Augustin's game alot, not a good defender, but you can tell he makes a difference on the offensive end.

DGPR
10-10-2012, 08:51 PM
Yeah, DJ can pass the rock for sure.

Marlin
10-10-2012, 08:52 PM
Yeah, I like Augustin's game alot, not a good defender, but you can tell he makes a difference on the offensive end.

Gives us a passing dimension, a real point guard vision we haven't had for quite some time. Right now he just fed up Hibbert with a nice nifty pass.

This coming from a DC supporter, mind you

daschysta
10-10-2012, 08:53 PM
George started rough, but has looked good in the 2nd quarter.

Heisenberg
10-10-2012, 08:53 PM
nice head fake and step in bank by PG

DGPR
10-10-2012, 08:54 PM
Hibbert looks like hammered dog ****

ejwallace
10-10-2012, 08:56 PM
How does Augustin look??? Is he living up to all the hype???

Heisenberg
10-10-2012, 08:57 PM
pretty sure the Indiana Criminal Justice Institute wouldn't have dreamed of sponsoring the Pacers a few years ago

LG33
10-10-2012, 08:58 PM
Miles Plumlee leads the team in PPM.

DGPR
10-10-2012, 08:59 PM
How does Augustin look??? Is he living up to all the hype???

Augustin looks excellent on the offensive end. He took 1 ill-advised shot but otherwise distributed the ball very well and had 3 assists to Paul George alone.

vnzla81
10-10-2012, 08:59 PM
Nobody has look good tonight.

ejwallace
10-10-2012, 09:01 PM
Augustin looks excellent on the offensive end. He took 1 ill-advised shot but otherwise distributed the ball very well and had 3 assists to Paul George alone.

I really liked watching his game with the Cats, I hope that playing with a better all around team he will do nothing but improve....

LG33
10-10-2012, 09:01 PM
Nobody has look good tonight.

You didn't like Orlando Johnson's over-the-basket-off-the-backboard shot?

Pacemaker
10-10-2012, 09:02 PM
I expect more Plumlee and less Pendy. Please!!!

vnzla81
10-10-2012, 09:02 PM
You didn't like Orlando Johnson's over-the-basket-off-the-backboard shot?

I didn't see that play I guess.

vnzla81
10-10-2012, 09:03 PM
I expect more Plumlee and less Pendy. Please!!!

Pacersgod2 is hating you right now ;)

ejwallace
10-10-2012, 09:04 PM
ewww the TV Companion lis live on pacers.com.....Didn't think they would have it up for preseason....

daschysta
10-10-2012, 09:15 PM
Halftime report:

That crossover by George both looked pretty and left a good defender in Kirilinko completely in the dust you can't go wrong with 12 points 5 rebounds and a steal in 12 minutes, needs to cut back on some of those behind the back fancy for no reason passes though. Hibbert always has issues getting position against Pekovic, but has looked good defensively and hit a nice little bank shot, he hasn't really got the ball very much.

DJ looks like a winner, his passing makes a huge difference in the offense, and his 3 point shot looks good, he's also very quick and can penetrate, you can see what the players meant by "he makes you think he's going to score and finds a wide open shooter at the last second instead."

Hans was horrific the first 6 minutes, but has, thankfully made me not notice him the second 6 minutes, which is an improvement over the first quarter.

Stevenson has clearly worked on his jumper he's hit 2 long ones, one of which was a 3 and he found DJ wide open with a really nice pass. I think he'll earn his minutes this year, he and DJ make for an exciting reserve backcourt for fans of ball movement.

I wish that GG would have gotten OJ's minutes, as OJ has done nothing at all beyond airballing a 3 in embarrassing fashion. Hopefully GG plays alot in the 2nd half, he had an exciting dunk to start the game off.

Plum looks good in the short amount of time he's played so far, a dunk and a nice tap out to keep the possession ours.

Ahearn, outside of one nice dish to Plumlee was just tremendously awful, he isn't an NBA player.

Mahinmi is active, and has good rebounding instincts, but is suffering from butterfingers syndrome so far. There have been at least 2 rebounds that he was in position to get and did everything right except hold onto the ball and ended up not getting the rebound.

Nuntius
10-10-2012, 09:16 PM
Nice move, Hibby :D

daschysta
10-10-2012, 09:16 PM
Nice quick move by Roy to lose Pekovic.

Marlin
10-10-2012, 09:17 PM
Nice pass from Green, now that's something I was keeping an eye on

daschysta
10-10-2012, 09:21 PM
Hans is rebounding well.

Marlin
10-10-2012, 09:21 PM
Man, you can see Paul worked on his handles, he's dribbling well and going crossover after crossover, but enough with the stupid turnovers. That's not bad handles, that's just poor attention

Nuntius
10-10-2012, 09:21 PM
Good one, Tyler.

vnzla81
10-10-2012, 09:22 PM
Tyler is looking better.

Psyren
10-10-2012, 09:25 PM
This looks as bad as Ive ever seen Roy.

Thank goodness this is a preseason game.

vnzla81
10-10-2012, 09:26 PM
This looks as bad as Ive ever seen Roy.

Thank goodness this is a preseason game.

He also looks a bit bigger, or is the TV?

daschysta
10-10-2012, 09:26 PM
Yeah, Pauls handles have actually looked really good, he was crossing people up, but then he would make a lazy pass or shuffle his feet. Oh well, the handles looking better is the more important part, and he's scored and rebounded well.

Heisenberg
10-10-2012, 09:27 PM
He also looks a bit bigger, or is the TV?
think it's just the broadcast, everybody looks bigger to me. except tiny little Frank.

vnzla81
10-10-2012, 09:28 PM
think it's just the broadcast, everybody looks bigger to me. except tiny little Frank.

I hope so because Hibbert is looking kind of fat.

Heisenberg
10-10-2012, 09:31 PM
nice stretch by Mahinmi the last couple minutes

Pacemaker
10-10-2012, 09:33 PM
The optimism bubble over an upgraded roster has just bursted. :s

vnzla81
10-10-2012, 09:34 PM
The optimism bubble over an upgraded roster has just bursted. :s

:laugh:

LG33
10-10-2012, 09:35 PM
The Pacers have missed a lot, by a lot.

Nuntius
10-10-2012, 09:36 PM
More Plumlee please.

Pacemaker
10-10-2012, 09:37 PM
Wide-open shots for the Wolves, airballs and 20 TO's for the Pacers :bs:

Heisenberg
10-10-2012, 09:39 PM
we might finish with more TOs than FGs

more fouls than FGs too

Pacemaker
10-10-2012, 09:40 PM
Barea is good.

daschysta
10-10-2012, 09:41 PM
The optimism bubble over an upgraded roster has just bursted. :s

Noone should put any stock in preseason games. LAL got blown out by Golden State. Plus Minny has been playing their starters full minutes and has 4/5 we've played our scrubs and haven't really played Paul much plus are missing 3/5 starters. Pre-season is meaningless either way though if you're talking about score.

Heisenberg
10-10-2012, 09:43 PM
Mahinmi's hands suck

Pacemaker
10-10-2012, 09:45 PM
Do we have any plays? All I see is a continuous scramble.

Psyren
10-10-2012, 09:48 PM
Hate Pendys offensive skills but hes been very active and is a good rebounder

Anthem
10-10-2012, 09:50 PM
I like how Stephenson backed off on that fast break and didn't try to force anything. Might the young man be learning patience?

Anthem
10-10-2012, 09:51 PM
Hate Pendys offensive skills but hes been very active and is a good rebounder
Really? I thought he looked much better around the basket than Tyler usually does. I just turned it on and don't know how Tyler's looked today.

Trader Joe
10-10-2012, 09:54 PM
LOL anyone trying to glean anything of any significance from this game is kidding themselves. What a lazy *** **** show. Can't believe the T-Wolves hosted this in Fargo to try and build fan base. Paul George fouls out in 22 minutes? Hilarious.

Anthem
10-10-2012, 09:57 PM
Man, my League Pass subscription has already been charged to my credit card, but I can't log in to League Pass. What's that about?

Heisenberg
10-10-2012, 10:00 PM
my lord plumlee

Anthem
10-10-2012, 10:02 PM
Wow, great block by Young.

Pacemaker
10-10-2012, 10:05 PM
Orlando "Air,No Matter Where, Ball" Johnson

MvPlumlee
10-10-2012, 10:06 PM
Amusing game :laugh:

Can't remember the last time I counted so many airballs.

Pacemaker
10-10-2012, 10:08 PM
Another air ball for Johnson. Whats the record for a team in one game?

daschysta
10-10-2012, 10:09 PM
DJ Augustin and Paul looked good, beyond that, yuck. Preseason.

Paul's ballhandling actually looked alot better, he tried to do too much at times, but he was getting to where he wanted on the court and forced them to foul him quite a bit.

Heisenberg
10-10-2012, 10:09 PM
Orlando Johnson's (somehow) the only Pacer with a positive plus/minus at +2

Heisenberg
10-10-2012, 10:14 PM
Game over

23 field goals
24 turnovers
27 fouls

Pacemaker
10-10-2012, 10:16 PM
Wow ! A Pacers Digest team could possibly do that!

vnzla81
10-10-2012, 10:20 PM
There was nothing we could learn from the game, it was bad.

CJ Jones
10-10-2012, 10:31 PM
DJ Augustin and Paul looked good, beyond that, yuck. Preseason.

Paul's ballhandling actually looked alot better, he tried to do too much at times, but he was getting to where he wanted on the court and forced them to foul him quite a bit.

I was thinking Paul looked terrible :whoknows:. Granted I did miss the last half of the second quarter.

Anthem
10-10-2012, 10:33 PM
There was nothing we could learn from the game, it was bad.
Really? I learned a lot.

I learned that Ahearn, B.Hansbro, Nevill, and Gaines need to be cut immediately. I suspected it already, but tonight sealed the deal.

Hicks
10-10-2012, 10:38 PM
Sorry I missed it....

vnzla81
10-10-2012, 10:41 PM
Really? I learned a lot.

I learned that Ahearn, B.Hansbro, Nevill, and Gaines need to be cut immediately. I suspected it already, but tonight sealed the deal.

:laugh:

Dr. Awesome
10-10-2012, 10:41 PM
Sorry I missed it....

I missed it too...but from the sounds of it that might have been a good thing.

cdash
10-10-2012, 10:42 PM
Judging by the box score, Miles Plumlee is already in midseason form.

BRushWithDeath
10-10-2012, 10:52 PM
Judging by the box score, Miles Plumlee is already in midseason form.

Alright Carlos Mencia.

cdash
10-10-2012, 10:59 PM
Alright Carlos Mencia.

I didn't read the thread, so I assume I was about the 7th person to make that joke. But yeah, Plumlee sucks.

vnzla81
10-10-2012, 11:25 PM
I didn't read the thread, so I assume I was about the 7th person to make that joke. But yeah, Plumlee sucks.

Him and Pendergraf looked really bad, I think they were on the bottom of the trash can.

Anthem
10-10-2012, 11:35 PM
Him and Pendergraf looked really bad, I think they were on the bottom of the trash can.
Really? I thought they both looked better than I expected. Of course, I didn't expect much.

BRushWithDeath
10-11-2012, 12:28 AM
I didn't read the thread, so I assume I was about the 7th person to make that joke. But yeah, Plumlee sucks.

Just second and first in regardless to Plumlee's terrible ***. Really, I just wanted a chance to reference the greatest comedic mind of our era.

Psyren
10-11-2012, 12:59 AM
Out of all the guys who completely sucked tonight, why does everyone jump on Plumlee? He wasnt great or even good, but he was nowhere near the worst out there.

Heisenberg
10-11-2012, 01:01 AM
yeah, Plumlee wasn't all that much worse than Roy at about 10% of the price

Goyle
10-11-2012, 01:12 AM
yeah, Plumlee wasn't all that much worse than Roy at about 10% of the price

Yup.

Young's gonna be a good fit, I think. I hope Lance plays well enough to stay in the rotation, but I also hope we don't stick with him too long if it's not working out.

Peck
10-11-2012, 02:13 AM
Well obviously this was a pre-season game & it's kind of nice to be the team who feels no need to be playing their starters big min. to try & get a meaningless win. (ok that last part was me really just looking for something good to say)

Let me state again, this is pre-season so everything I am going to say below must be taken in the context that I understand that this isn't a finished product or even close to what we will see on opening night.

I wonder if in the morning when Augustine goes to get his breakfast if Barea will cut past him to take the last pancake? Because God knows he isn’t going to be stopping him anytime soon if this game was any indication. Thankfully JJ was not all that grand from the field or that would have looked even worse (if such a thing is possible).

Tyler should be grateful that the NBA is not going to review flopping in the pre-season because that charge he drew on Love would have made LeBron James proud. Other than that, same old same old from Tyler. He didn't force as many bad shots as in the past but he did nothing to prove that he should be anything more than a rotational player, at best.

The official stat sheet for tonight's game is just crazy because they have us listed with only 4 blocked shots with none by Green or George which is nuts because in on sequence they each blocked a shot back to back so that makes no sense at all.

Sam Young, yes please. Play more like this & I will have a serious hard time not wanting to see this guy on the floor, a lot.

Who told Jeff Pendegraph he was Larry Bird? At one point in time he was shooting 15 foot jumpers just like he was the Legend himself, he wasn't hitting any of them but he sure thought he could take them.

I thought Roy looked good myself, not sure where everybody is coming up with the fact he had a bad game. He looked a little winded but I thought on defense he was pretty good.

I really like Paul George's aggressiveness in trying to go to the basket tonight. His dribble still looked a little high to me on a few occasions but overall it did look to be improved.

God Lance is so frustrating. He has everything that it takes to be a special player in this league physically. I mean he is the perfect size for a guard, he has condor like arms & he has good quickness. But whatever it is that holds him back is just baffling to me. It's got to be mental, it has to be.

Not sure why all the hate on Plumlee. Did anyone really expect a higher level of play from him? I think we got what we can expect this season from him.

I'm hoping by Friday night we can get rid of the min. for Ahearn, Neville, B. Hansbrough, Gaines and we can cut way back on the min. of Pendegraph (God he's just awful, didn't somebody once say he was good in Portland?).

Heisenberg
10-11-2012, 04:34 AM
I will say Plumlee DOES have a decent offensive skillset to build something from. That runner late in the game that he airballed (BADLY) was embarrassing, but other than the shot it was a nice move from 20 or so feet out for a 7 footer. Had a play earlier in the half where he caught it facing up from maybe 12 feet and did a nice job establishing post position and put up a nice fluid shot but just bricked it. He just can't shoot a lick, that's the biggest problem but that can definitely be improved upon.

PacerDude
10-11-2012, 07:27 AM
............ Lance ........... whatever it is that holds him back is just baffling to me. It's got to be mental, it has to be.
He's not as good as he thinks he is. Or as good as he's been told he is.

He always wants to hit the home run when a single would be best for the team. Maybe he gets it over time, maybe not. This year would be a good time to get it.

Derek2k3
10-11-2012, 10:55 AM
I will say, Lance's jumper looked way, way better. Last year it was so stiff, last night it looked reasonably smooth/more confident.

Thing is, in the preseason like last night, its similar to a Summer League game. Guys jacking up shots, no real defensive effort...very difficult to get any read.

Penderwall was just way too amped, early on he took 3/4 pick and pop jumpers from 20 feet. Didn't really run any sets.

All in all, just glad that we're one day closer to tipoff!

pacergod2
10-11-2012, 12:18 PM
A couple of things...

I like Pendergraph for exactly what he is. I like Pendy more than Hansborough. He's a better finisher and has quicker jumping ability which gets him to rebounds better. He shoots it about as well as Hansborough which isn't saying much. He has a better back to the basket game too. And he is cheaper for the same type of production. I also would like us to trade Hansborough for a bucket of KFC... errrrr... I mean salary filler, but his jersey sales in relation to what we pay him is probably pretty good.

I'm not really comparing Pendergraph to Plumlee, because I don't see them playing the same position, but either way they are both probably not going to see many minutes throughout the season.

Our wing rotation is going to be so much better than last year. Not that he will be involved this year, but I really would like to see how Orlando Johnson develops over the next couple of seasons. Could end up a solid backup if he keeps getting after it defensively and gets comfortable with the speed of the game within our offense.

Sparhawk
10-11-2012, 12:39 PM
A couple of things...

I like Pendergraph for exactly what he is. I like Pendy more than Hansborough. He's a better finisher and has quicker jumping ability which gets him to rebounds better. He shoots it about as well as Hansborough which isn't saying much. He has a better back to the basket game too. And he is cheaper for the same type of production. I also would like us to trade Hansborough for a bucket of KFC... errrrr... I mean salary filler, but his jersey sales in relation to what we pay him is probably pretty good.

I'm not really comparing Pendergraph to Plumlee, because I don't see them playing the same position, but either way they are both probably not going to see many minutes throughout the season.

Our wing rotation is going to be so much better than last year. Not that he will be involved this year, but I really would like to see how Orlando Johnson develops over the next couple of seasons. Could end up a solid backup if he keeps getting after it defensively and gets comfortable with the speed of the game within our offense.

I agree with what you wrote. I'd prefer Pends over Hans just cause Pends can rebound better and is probably a better defender.

vnzla81
10-11-2012, 01:36 PM
So you guys know that Pendergrah is better than Tyler by watching him in garbage time and pre-season? ok.......

Anthem
10-11-2012, 02:20 PM
Our wing rotation is going to be so much better than last year.
So true. Danny and George starting, and Greene and X backing them up. Right now I'm projecting X as Sam Young, with Lance acting as fifth wing and 3rd PG. But we'll see.

Peck
10-11-2012, 02:26 PM
So true. Danny and George starting, and Greene and X backing them up. Right now I'm projecting X as Sam Young, with Lance acting as fifth wing and 3rd PG. But we'll see.

I realize you can't judge much based on last nights game but I would seriously consider the wings to be Granger & George followed up by Young with Greene being X. I really like Young's game.

pacergod2
10-11-2012, 02:30 PM
So you guys know that Pendergrah is better than Tyler by watching him in garbage time and pre-season? ok.......

I've been saying that for a while now. I see their skill sets. I watched Pendergraph at Arizona State and in Portland. I can see what he does and what he has improved upon. Hansborough I watch all the time and the two are so similar, and the things that Hansborough is pretty good at, Pendergraph does better (Pendy is more likely to finish the shots Tyler has to make from the free throw line if that is your argument). And his athleticism applies more to the NBA talent around him.

Trader Joe
10-11-2012, 02:31 PM
I realize you can't judge much based on last nights game but I would seriously consider the wings to be Granger & George followed up by Young with Greene being X. I really like Young's game.

I don't know why we would do this. Our biggest issue for years off the bench has been wing scoring, we finally have a really good wing scorer and you want to relegate him to 4th wing? I don't like that at all. Young is basically a Dahntay replacement in the end.

cdash
10-11-2012, 03:28 PM
Just second and first in regardless to Plumlee's terrible ***. Really, I just wanted a chance to reference the greatest comedic mind of our era.

I thought Kanye West killed him?

CJ Jones
10-11-2012, 04:06 PM
I thought Plumlee was the only guy out there that looked like he was willing to set a decent screen. Coach really needs to clean that up. He also contested/changed a couple shots and blocked 1 that was called a foul. I'm not sure what you guys expected from him, but I thought he played pretty good. Yeah he looked bad on a few shots, but that's because we're asking him to do things he's not comfortable with yet.

Peck
10-11-2012, 04:20 PM
I don't know why we would do this. Our biggest issue for years off the bench has been wing scoring, we finally have a really good wing scorer and you want to relegate him to 4th wing? I don't like that at all. Young is basically a Dahntay replacement in the end.

How do we know we have a really good wing scorer?

Naptown_Seth
10-11-2012, 05:24 PM
He looked a little winded but I thought on defense he was pretty good.
2 shot blocks on one possession, so yeah I agree. If Tyler or someone had been able to keep those blocks from being recovered they would have actually got a stop. Very frustrating to see shot blocks wasted.

Roy was fine, I think Plumlee looked better than expected. He physically seems to fit the NBA better than I thought he would. Obviously we will see long term, this is just one tiny blip.

Ian made several really smart reactions and seemed to read the floor and his plays pretty well most of the time. He fouled too much and fumbled the ball too much, but he also looked like a guy who understood the plan. His footwork and spacing was drastically better than Tyler's (or Lou last year, or Jeff P).

I'm looking at the lineup being
Hill - DJ
Paul - Green
Danny - Young
West - Ian
Roy - Ian - Plumlee as needed, big enough to deal fouls out

I think the writing is on the wall for Lance and Tyler. Enough experiments and hopeful wishes. Nobody else is going to dress on a typical night.

And I feel pretty darn good about that lineup. DJ runs the offense, Green and Young can create for themselves and defend well enough to stay on the court, Ian is a physical presence that won't get pushed around, and the starters put up great numbers against competition last year.

I also liked some of the plays Vogel was working. The whole high post-corner wing-low post combo could yield lots of good shots. They ran the Paul George GnGo back to back, once where it went to him (he fumbled it at the rim) and when were the big kept it and looks for the shot (Tyler jumper? I forget). That kind of action ties into the HP-Wing-LP thing too. And the pass back into the low block that I mentioned them working on in the "NBA Training Camp" show where West pins his guy away from the rim.

It's a good set of attacks given the talents of Roy and West.



The team is going to be very good it appears. Better than I hoped.

Cousy47
10-11-2012, 05:26 PM
How do we know we have a really good wing scorer?
And a very good question! Watching online last night, we seem to have no offenseive schemes at all. Maybe I was not watching closely enough but there seem to be no plays run at all. Just get the ball to PG and let him operate. I know it's really early, but the team seems to be a lot like last season. Our starters will need to play 30+ minutes against anky team that can score points.Unless we find a scorer for the 2nd unit, Hill or George or Granger will have to be on the floor all the time.

Ace E.Anderson
10-11-2012, 08:23 PM
How do we know we have a really good wing scorer?

Just because he didn't put up 20 points yesterday, doesn't mean anything. EVERYONE looked bad last night. The first Pacer score of the game is exactly what Green is able to do. Had he knocked down a few wide open J's (which his high FG % from last year proves that he can) then his scoring output would have been much nicer.

Young doesn't have the ability to score in double figures consistently, Green has showcased that he does have that ability. Yes I do like Young's defense, but I think we can delegate minutes according to what we need in that particular game (more scoring/athleticism or defense)

Lets wait until after the first pre season game without our 3 starters to make any judgments about our team.

ilive4sports
10-11-2012, 08:33 PM
We played a game without 3 of our starters and the other two only played 20 mins each? Meh don't care what happened on the court as long as no one was injured.

McKeyFan
10-11-2012, 08:36 PM
I'd prefer Pends over Hans just cause Pends can rebound better and is probably a better defender.

Pretty much anyone is better than Hans if he can't get that jumper going.

Anthem
10-11-2012, 09:58 PM
I'm looking at the lineup being
Hill - DJ
Paul - Green
Danny - Young
West - Ian
Roy - Ian - Plumlee as needed, big enough to deal fouls out
Yep, although I see Danny playing some backup 4. Other than that, I think you nailed it.

Sparhawk
10-11-2012, 10:20 PM
2 shot blocks on one possession, so yeah I agree. If Tyler or someone had been able to keep those blocks from being recovered they would have actually got a stop. Very frustrating to see shot blocks wasted.

Roy was fine, I think Plumlee looked better than expected. He physically seems to fit the NBA better than I thought he would. Obviously we will see long term, this is just one tiny blip.

Ian made several really smart reactions and seemed to read the floor and his plays pretty well most of the time. He fouled too much and fumbled the ball too much, but he also looked like a guy who understood the plan. His footwork and spacing was drastically better than Tyler's (or Lou last year, or Jeff P).

I'm looking at the lineup being
Hill - DJ
Paul - Green
Danny - Young
West - Ian
Roy - Ian - Plumlee as needed, big enough to deal fouls out

I think the writing is on the wall for Lance and Tyler. Enough experiments and hopeful wishes. Nobody else is going to dress on a typical night.

And I feel pretty darn good about that lineup. DJ runs the offense, Green and Young can create for themselves and defend well enough to stay on the court, Ian is a physical presence that won't get pushed around, and the starters put up great numbers against competition last year.

I also liked some of the plays Vogel was working. The whole high post-corner wing-low post combo could yield lots of good shots. They ran the Paul George GnGo back to back, once where it went to him (he fumbled it at the rim) and when were the big kept it and looks for the shot (Tyler jumper? I forget). That kind of action ties into the HP-Wing-LP thing too. And the pass back into the low block that I mentioned them working on in the "NBA Training Camp" show where West pins his guy away from the rim.

It's a good set of attacks given the talents of Roy and West.



The team is going to be very good it appears. Better than I hoped.

Don't you think Green has more value playing the 3. He can stretch the floor and with his speed and athleticism, there aren't many SFs that can stop him.

I still think Lance will be ok. Having DJ and Lance on the floor together seems like a really good thing...two guys that have excellent court vision. Lance just needs consistent minutes to gain confidence and get better. Hans has at least had consistent minutes and hasn't done jack ***** with it. I'm still in favor of giving Lance a chance. 8min one game and 5 another and a no dress don't count. Give him 15min/night and see where he's at by the all star break.

Young is just filling the D Jones role, but won't play unless we need a to keep a lead and need a defender.

Peck
10-11-2012, 10:57 PM
Guy's I want Greene to be as good as you all think he is going to be, he may even be better there is really no way for us to tell right now as we've seen him for about 18 min. in a slop ridden game.

But please for the love of all that his holy let's not go head over heels for the guy because he has exciting youtube video's that show him scoring at will for a New Jersey team that was already done for the year.

Sam Young was a starter on a young Memphis team that advanced in the playoffs and Gerald Greene was playing pro ball in Turkey or China or wherever (it wasn't the NBA). So sure we all hope for the redemptive story & yes we can all hope for him to bring the 13 ppg or so to our sixth man role, but right now that is all it is. Hope.

BTW I have no preferance because IMO it doesn't really matter. Until he is traded away or retires as our second all time scoring leader Danny Granger is going to get the lions share of the min.

vnzla81
10-12-2012, 12:37 AM
Guy's I want Greene to be as good as you all think he is going to be, he may even be better there is really no way for us to tell right now as we've seen him for about 18 min. in a slop ridden game.

But please for the love of all that his holy let's not go head over heels for the guy because he has exciting youtube video's that show him scoring at will for a New Jersey team that was already done for the year.

Sam Young was a starter on a young Memphis team that advanced in the playoffs and Gerald Greene was playing pro ball in Turkey or China or wherever (it wasn't the NBA). So sure we all hope for the redemptive story & yes we can all hope for him to bring the 13 ppg or so to our sixth man role, but right now that is all it is. Hope.

BTW I have no preferance because IMO it doesn't really matter. Until he is traded away or retires as our second all time scoring leader Danny Granger is going to get the lions share of the min.

I've been saying the same thing about Green for a long time, thank you.

Heisenberg
10-12-2012, 12:44 AM
I've been saying the same thing about Green for a long time, thank you.
When someone hypes up Green just remind them of DC.

I have high hopes for Green too, dig his story a lot and all, but the dude hasn't really proven anything other than being able to perform well when opponents are looking at games against him as basically an off day. That's overstating it, but you guys get what I mean.

vnzla81
10-12-2012, 12:57 AM
When someone hypes up Green just remind them of DC.

I have high hopes for Green too, dig his story a lot and all, but the dude hasn't really proven anything other than being able to perform well when opponents are looking at games against him as basically an off day. That's overstating it, but you guys get what I mean.

Hater gonna hate.



Edit:Misread post.

Heisenberg
10-12-2012, 12:59 AM
Whatever, it's true and you know it. Remember when DC was our "point guard of the future."

Still made out like bandits in trading for him though. After the JO deal, and there's a big gap, best move Bird made.

Trader Joe
10-12-2012, 01:05 AM
Guy's I want Greene to be as good as you all think he is going to be, he may even be better there is really no way for us to tell right now as we've seen him for about 18 min. in a slop ridden game.

But please for the love of all that his holy let's not go head over heels for the guy because he has exciting youtube video's that show him scoring at will for a New Jersey team that was already done for the year.

Sam Young was a starter on a young Memphis team that advanced in the playoffs and Gerald Greene was playing pro ball in Turkey or China or wherever (it wasn't the NBA). So sure we all hope for the redemptive story & yes we can all hope for him to bring the 13 ppg or so to our sixth man role, but right now that is all it is. Hope.

BTW I have no preferance because IMO it doesn't really matter. Until he is traded away or retires as our second all time scoring leader Danny Granger is going to get the lions share of the min.

I like Young don't get me wrong, but let's not act like his career has been all gum drops and lollipops, there is a reason he was floating around as a free agent right before training camp. I like him, but there is no doubt in my mind whether he or Green is the better scorer, which IMO is what we need at the wing. The question though, is, will Green be a good enough scorer?

imawhat
10-12-2012, 03:45 AM
He would've been our 2nd leading scorer last season while playing the 7th most minutes. I think that's pretty impressive considering he wasn't any more of an offensive focal point for the Nets than Roy/Danny/West were for the Pacers. I think he can score enough.

Peck
10-12-2012, 04:00 AM
Look guys don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Green can't be that scorer. For all I know he could end up being better than Paul George (ha I bet you wanted me to say Granger didn't you ;)) but right now we have nothing to base this on other than he took full advantage of the opprotunity that New Jersey gave him. BTW, that's not a slam at all. He should be commended for making the most of his situation.

I Just fear that there are some people setting themselves up for real dissapointment if he is anything less than a double digit scorer who provides at least one windmill dunk a game.

vnzla81
10-12-2012, 08:42 AM
Whatever, it's true and you know it. Remember when DC was our "point guard of the future."

Still made out like bandits in trading for him though. After the JO deal, and there's a big gap, best move Bird made.

My bad I thought you were trying to be sarcastic on that post, I agree with you.

Sollozzo
10-12-2012, 08:50 AM
The biggest question about Green is his durability, not his ability, IMO. His career games played are as follows:

05-06: 32
06-07: 81
07-08: 30
08-09: 38
09-11: Did not play in NBA
11-12: 31

This is a guy who has played one full season in his entire career, and that was six years ago. Aside from that season, he has never even appeared in over 40 games in a season. He wasn't even in the NBA for two years.

I'm hoping for the best, but I honestly have rather low expectations given his track record.

RandyWrinkles
10-12-2012, 10:03 AM
The biggest question about Green is his durability, not his ability, IMO. His career games played are as follows:

05-06: 32
06-07: 81
07-08: 30
08-09: 38
09-11: Did not play in NBA
11-12: 31

This is a guy who has played one full season in his entire career, and that was six years ago. Aside from that season, he has never even appeared in over 40 games in a season. He wasn't even in the NBA for two years.

I'm hoping for the best, but I honestly have rather low expectations given his track record.

His Wikipedia page goes through each season but doesn't mention any injuries. It looks like he just didn't get any minutes. I don't have high expectations for him but it's not because of his durability.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Green

pacer4ever
10-12-2012, 10:19 AM
The biggest question about Green is his durability, not his ability, IMO. His career games played are as follows:

05-06: 32
06-07: 81
07-08: 30
08-09: 38
09-11: Did not play in NBA
11-12: 31

This is a guy who has played one full season in his entire career, and that was six years ago. Aside from that season, he has never even appeared in over 40 games in a season. He wasn't even in the NBA for two years.

I'm hoping for the best, but I honestly have rather low expectations given his track record.

Actually this argument is very poor he should be fresher than most NBA players from riding the pine all those years. That would like be saying Lance is injury prone because he wasn't good enough to play his first 2 seasons. He has only been in a NBA rotation twice his 2nd year in the league on a terrible Celtics team and last season when he got his shot off a 10 day contract. He wast mature enough year after year and never had a spot in the rotation. Im curious how he handles being in a winning situation and helping a team win something he has never been apart of even sitting on the bench. I am interested to see how he has matured because his track record wasn't good this is basically like Terence Williams situation right now very good talent but never proved anything and still hasn't. Im rooting for the guy but the Pacers did take a huge gamble on him but $$ wise it isnt a back-breaker if he fails so really not that big of deal.

EDIT: The 2 times he was in the rotation he only missed 1 game in 112 games that is pretty durable. That was a concern I believe coming out for him he was 6'7 in the 190 he was skinny as a rail still is but some guys are just built like that and can last ala Reggie.

pacergod2
10-12-2012, 10:31 AM
The thing with Green that gets me excited is not that he has fantastic talent, a good stroke, and is athletic as all get out. It is that he seems to have a completely different perspective on life. That is the kind of thing that will change the way you go about your professional life and allows you to use all of those talents to their potential. That is what gives me hope. It's the idea that maturity matters and his talent is undeniable.

Ace E.Anderson
10-12-2012, 11:04 AM
I guess my thing with Green and Young is that Green has more talent and the potential to give the team more than what Young does. Yes he put up good scoring numbers on a bad team, but it's still proof that the guy can score. His talent has NEVER been questioned anywhere he's gone. Young is what he is; a tough as nails, physical defensive presence, that may be able to give us 6 or 7 points within the flow of the game.

I don't think (hope) anybody is expecting Green to come in and average 13 points per game like he did last year. But I do think that he can at the very least give us a little more than what Barbosa gave us offensively, while being able to have the size to matchup with other wings. The highlight dunks and the 3pt shooting are things that are good to bring off the bench, and aside from PG, he is probably the only player on the team that has the ability to do those things. I don't think it's unrealistic to think he can bring those skills to the team.

McKeyFan
10-12-2012, 11:47 AM
I still think Lance will be ok. Having DJ and Lance on the floor together seems like a really good thing...two guys that have excellent court vision. Lance just needs consistent minutes to gain confidence and get better. Hans has at least had consistent minutes and hasn't done jack ***** with it. I'm still in favor of giving Lance a chance. 8min one game and 5 another and a no dress don't count. Give him 15min/night and see where he's at by the all star break.


We may not see Lance's real value until two or three months into the season, as defenses improve and scouting reports identify various players' single dimensionalities. At that point, we will be looking for some way to score after our 27 perimeter scorers are consistently getting shut down. (Augustin may also help with this.)

Peck
10-12-2012, 02:25 PM
The thing with Green that gets me excited is not that he has fantastic talent, a good stroke, and is athletic as all get out. It is that he seems to have a completely different perspective on life. That is the kind of thing that will change the way you go about your professional life and allows you to use all of those talents to their potential. That is what gives me hope. It's the idea that maturity matters and his talent is undeniable.

I realize that this is my very cynical nature talking here but from my point of view I have read to many Tinsley/Artest/O'Neal/Bender/Williams redemption story's.

I'm not comparing Green to them btw, it's just that I pretty much consider all p.r. to be fluff until proven otherwise.

This may all very well be true, I hope it is.

But until we get some season time behind us I just can't take it at face value.

vnzla81
10-12-2012, 02:33 PM
I realize that this is my very cynical nature talking here but from my point of view I have read to many Tinsley/Artest/O'Neal/Bender/Williams redemption story's.

I'm not comparing Green to them btw, it's just that I pretty much consider all p.r. to be fluff until proven otherwise.

This may all very well be true, I hope it is.

But until we get some season time behind us I just can't take it at face value.

I feel the same way, I would like to know an example of a player that was in and out of the NBA for six years and then he came back to be a good player, anybody has a good example?

I remember that at one time I thought Green had a good future and could have possibly be a great player but that was six years ago.

Hicks
10-12-2012, 03:32 PM
The obvious win-now move to me would be to use both Young and Green and bench Stephenson, but I'm cool with them initially using Lance because this is still a good time to fish around to see if he can put his game together or not.

If he can't do it within the first month or two of the season, I just punt on that particular project and use Young and Green.

purdue101
10-12-2012, 03:33 PM
I think Green is somewhat unique b/c he was clearly drafted based upon his athletic abilities only vs any basketball IQ/talent. He’s the type of player that should have gone 2nd round, spent some time in the d-league, developed, and latched back onto a team. Boston likely felt forced to play him based upon his draft position and never really gave him the proper time to develop in a developmental type league. He ends up getting cut with no support system, which even further delayed his development.

While I can’t think of any players that have taken the specific path of Green, there are several players that failed initially in the NBA, bounced around the D-league or overseas, and then came back as a productive bench player for a NBA team. McRoberts, Kuofos, & Will Bynum are names that come to the top of my head (there are others, but those are three that at least had spots in a rotation).

IMO, a good best-case comparison to Gerald Green is Tony Allen. Tony Allen was a knucklehead with athleticism when he first entered the league. It took him about 6-7 years to develop his IQ and skill set and now he is a productive player. He never left the NBA, but he was a scrub for a while out there in Boston.

able
10-12-2012, 03:43 PM
The only independant part is what he owners/admins allow you to post, everything else is an uillusion.

pacergod2
10-12-2012, 03:51 PM
I don't know if Steve Nash is the type of player you want as an example. Not a knucklehead but didn't get much of a chance for several years. Jeremy Lin?

Everybody has their own path. Plus, I never said he could be a great player. I just want him to be a really solid rotation player. And based on his skill set, it is attainable.

Hicks
10-12-2012, 03:58 PM
The only independant part is what he owners/admins allow you to post, everything else is an uillusion.

Yep.

Trader Joe
10-12-2012, 04:00 PM
The only independant part is what he owners/admins allow you to post, everything else is an uillusion.

Are you saying there is no spoon?

http://ownd.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/keanu-reeves-whoa.jpg

LetsTalkPacers84
10-12-2012, 04:42 PM
Green is our best player

LetsTalkPacers84
10-12-2012, 08:52 PM
Green is our best player
What are the chances. :laugh:

Ace E.Anderson
10-13-2012, 09:48 AM
I don't know if Steve Nash is the type of player you want as an example. Not a knucklehead but didn't get much of a chance for several years. Jeremy Lin?

Everybody has their own path. Plus, I never said he could be a great player. I just want him to be a really solid rotation player. And based on his skill set, it is attainable.

I agree. Just because it wasn't done before, doesn't mean he can't be a good solid rotational player. Plus at 26, Green is still young and hasn't hit his prime yet. In fact after all those years on the pine, he's relatively young in basketball years.

If he shows 80% of what he did most of last season without getting into trouble then I'd say he was a successful player for us. Idk why anyone would be cynical or believe that this is unlikely

xIndyFan
10-13-2012, 10:15 AM
I agree. Just because it wasn't done before, doesn't mean he can't be a good solid rotational player. Plus at 26, Green is still young and hasn't hit his prime yet. In fact after all those years on the pine, he's relatively young in basketball years.

If he shows 80% of what he did most of last season without getting into trouble then I'd say he was a successful player for us. Idk why anyone would be cynical or believe that this is unlikely

after the first home preseason game, Green looks like a guy that can play. But one of those guys that is a bad starter or a good rotation guy. If Danny's hurt all season, and Green has to start, the Pacers are :censored:. If Green needs to fill in a game or two, then things will be fine. I would say the same thing about Ian Mahinmi. Things are great if he's playing 16 mpg in the rotation and starting a game or two if Roy's hurt. But if he's starting and playing 32 mpg, the pacers are in trouble. Both guys look like good pickups.