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Pacerized
08-18-2012, 09:06 AM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8246986/2012-nba-player-rankings-401-500

O.K., it's the time of year when we have the great basketball void and something has to come out to fill it.
On the bottom 100 we have 4 players; Orlando Johnson at #462, Miles Plumlee at #433, Jeff Pendergraph at #421, & Lance Stephson at #405 which is down 36 spots from last year.
I'd think Roy will be our top player this year followed by Granger, and West.
The top 2 have to be Lebron, and Durant but after that it's arguable. At least it's something to read when nothing is happening.

Kstat
08-18-2012, 09:11 AM
I have no idea why rookies are even on the list. How do you rank someone that hasn't even played yet?

Tom White
08-18-2012, 09:57 AM
I have no idea why rookies are even on the list. How do you rank someone that hasn't even played yet?

Surely you know of the Great ESPN Crystal Ball? The all knowing, all seeing sphere of light that guides them?

Seriously, any list such as this is a guess-your-best, let's put this out there to give people something to talk about scenario. Apparently it works. We're talking about it.

yoadknux
08-18-2012, 02:59 PM
You guys think we're gonna have a player in the top 50? Granger was 36 last time, but he had a bad season, so he might drop.

Eddie Gill
08-18-2012, 03:10 PM
Surely you know of the Great ESPN Crystal Ball? The all knowing, all seeing sphere of light that guides them?

Seriously, any list such as this is a guess-your-best, let's put this out there to give people something to talk about scenario. Apparently it works. We're talking about it.


http://youtu.be/50LsvwmgJ7I

Jrod Jones
08-18-2012, 05:14 PM
You guys think we're gonna have a player in the top 50? Granger was 36 last time, but he had a bad season, so he might drop.

I'd think Hibbert would crack the top 50

daschysta
08-18-2012, 05:20 PM
Pretty sure Hibbert will be top 50. ESPN takes All-Star bids pretty seriously. He'll be top 40, and Granger will probably be hovering around the 50ish mark (though I think he'll be more consistent next season), While the rest of our starting players should be somewhere in the top 100.

Pacerized
08-18-2012, 08:31 PM
Pretty sure Hibbert will be top 50. ESPN takes All-Star bids pretty seriously. He'll be top 40, and Granger will probably be hovering around the 50ish mark (though I think he'll be more consistent next season), While the rest of our starting players should be somewhere in the top 100.

I think I agree with you.
I think Roy will be our highest ranked player this year and should break the top 50, when you look at where he ranks among top centers he should break the top 40. Granger will most likely be 2cd. in the 50's and West might make it in the top 60 as well. PG breaks the top 100 but I doubt if Hill does. Bench wise I see DJ and Tyler making the top 200 followed by Green in the top 300 and Ian in the 300's. Even after all the fuss over our bench shuffle this off season, I don't think we have a really strong bench.

dewman_32
08-18-2012, 11:16 PM
I'm actually surprised that anyone takes what ESPN says seriously any more. ESPN is an absolute joke when it comes to crap like this, among other things.

Pacerized
08-24-2012, 08:34 PM
A lot of x Pacers falling between 300-400
D Jones at 301, Josh McRoberts at 304, Earl Watson 323, Fesenko 327, Tinsley 347, Troy Murphy 355 and AJ Price at 384.

PGisthefuture
08-24-2012, 10:07 PM
I'm actually surprised that anyone takes what ESPN says seriously any more. ESPN is an absolute joke when it comes to crap like this, among other things.

Yup, I don't even watch Sportscenter anymore...

rock747
08-25-2012, 12:11 AM
A lot of x Pacers falling between 300-400
D Jones at 301, Josh McRoberts at 304, Earl Watson 323, Fesenko 327, Tinsley 347, Troy Murphy 355 and AJ Price at 384.

Fesenko is better than Tinsley, Murphy and Price?

Pacerized
08-25-2012, 12:33 AM
Fesenko is better than Tinsley, Murphy and Price?

I doubt if I'd rank him that way but I honestly haven't seen enough of him to say. It's a shame he didn't get more burn here last year.

Pacerized
08-29-2012, 04:55 PM
Ian at 251, that's a lot higher then I thought they'd rank him. I'm still disapointed in the quality of players we spent our cap space on this off season.

Kemo
08-29-2012, 08:21 PM
I'm still disapointed in the quality of players we spent our cap space on this off season.




"http://youtu.be/76p_ncbffCE&autoplay=1"

Pacerized
08-29-2012, 10:10 PM
Gerald Green at 246, that sounds about right.
I'd guess our next player to be ranked will be DJ but it might be possible that Tyler is ranked lower.
Just because I'm bored I'll say DJ at 163 and Tyler at 147. I may be way off.

wintermute
08-30-2012, 03:48 AM
Interesting that Tyler is still well-regarded in the league (well, he'll be in the top half of ESPN's 500 anyway) when so many Pacer fans (including myself) are so down on him.

Also would be interesting to see where Danny lands in light of the ongoing argument in the other thread.

Pacerized
08-30-2012, 09:41 AM
Interesting that Tyler is still well-regarded in the league (well, he'll be in the top half of ESPN's 500 anyway) when so many Pacer fans (including myself) are so down on him.

Also would be interesting to see where Danny lands in light of the ongoing argument in the other thread.

I was kind of thinking that as well. It looks like some people want to compare players based off their number of all star appearances but that's a bad way to compare a players value. He's already out ranked several players with more all star appearances. It'll be interesting to see where he ranks to players he's being compared to.
I don't think this thing should be taken too seriously but it is comprised of the opionions of 104 sports writers not just a few and it can make for conversation during a dead period of basketball.
I'm interested in where a lot of players fall once it gets closer to 100. IMO Iggy is over rated and should fall below Danny and I wonder if EG will rank below Danny. He should with his injury history. I wonder where Roy will rank among centers? I'm thinking 4th. with Kaman at 5th.

xIndyFan
08-30-2012, 10:23 AM
Danny was 36th last year and Iggy 34. Eric Gordon was 39th. Roy 96th and Kaman 88th. Joe Johnson was 32nd.

Roy should make the biggest jump to be sure. Danny was behind James, Durant, Anthony, Ginobili, Pierce, Gay and Iguodala. Lots of good SF in the league right now.


I was kind of thinking that as well. It looks like some people want to compare players based off their number of all star appearances but that's a bad way to compare a players value. He's already out ranked several players with more all star appearances. It'll be interesting to see where he ranks to players he's being compared to.
I don't think this thing should be taken too seriously but it is comprised of the opionions of 104 sports writers not just a few and it can make for conversation during a dead period of basketball.
I'm interested in where a lot of players fall once it gets closer to 100. IMO Iggy is over rated and should fall below Danny and I wonder if EG will rank below Danny. He should with his injury history. I wonder where Roy will rank among centers? I'm thinking 4th. with Kaman at 5th.

Pacerized
08-30-2012, 05:42 PM
Danny was 36th last year and Iggy 34. Eric Gordon was 39th. Roy 96th and Kaman 88th. Joe Johnson was 32nd.

Roy should make the biggest jump to be sure. Danny was behind James, Durant, Anthony, Ginobili, Pierce, Gay and Iguodala. Lots of good SF in the league right now.

Thanks for looking that up.
There are more good small forwards in the league right now then perhaps any other time. I remember in the 90's when Detlef was considered the 2cd. best sf and people talked about it being a weak position in the league. At the same time we had the largest numbers of great centers in the league. If Danny and Roy played at that point Danny would take several steps up and Roy would take several down just due to the amount of competition they had in their positions.

xIndyFan
08-30-2012, 05:53 PM
yeah, i see what you're saying

Can't wait to see where everyone ends up. how the league at large views the B&G. Expecting lots of jumps.


Thanks for looking that up.
There are more good small forwards in the league right now then perhaps any other time. I remember in the 90's when Detlef was considered the 2cd. best sf and people talked about it being a weak position in the league. At the same time we had the largest numbers of great centers in the league. If Danny and Roy played at that point Danny would take several steps up and Roy would take several down just due to the amount of competition they had in their positions.

Coopdog23
09-03-2012, 01:06 PM
Yeah Roy is the most important piece of our team.

vnzla81
09-04-2012, 03:29 PM
Green is ranked #246 with Sullinger at #247? wtf is that? Michael Redd #243? :laugh:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8313162/2012-nba-player-rankings-241-260

MillerTime
09-04-2012, 03:38 PM
Green is ranked #246 with Sullinger at #247? wtf is that? Michael Redd #243? :laugh:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8313162/2012-nba-player-rankings-241-260

I would agree with Redd...he hasnt done much in the last few years

Pacerized
09-04-2012, 09:01 PM
Barbosa at 183, that's 63 spots up from Green.

Eleazar
09-04-2012, 09:34 PM
Just to keep track of current Pacers, ex-Pacers, or other players of interest.


Blake Ahearn 494
Orlando Johnson 462
Miles Plumlee 433
jeff Pendergraph 421
Lance Stephenson 405
Ian Mahinmi 251
Gerald Green 246
Tyler Hansbrough 174
D.J. Augustin 147


AJ Price 384
Greg Oden 372
Troy Murphy 355
Jamaal Tinsley 347
Kyrylo Fesenko 327
Josh McRoberts 304
Dhantay Jones 301
Lou Amundson 294
Marquis daniels 291
James Jones 252
Jerryd Bayless 197
Leandro Barbosa 183
Brandon Rush 180
Mike Dunleavy 166
Jarrett Jack 161
Stephen Jackson 151
Al Harrington 143

Eleazar
09-04-2012, 09:37 PM
Barbosa at 183, that's 63 spots up from Green.

They must not have watched Barbosa much last year.

MillerTime
09-04-2012, 11:37 PM
They must not have watched Barbosa much last year.

he played decent in Toronto

Cactus Jax
09-04-2012, 11:47 PM
he played decent in Toronto

He played decent with the Pacers, until the playoffs where he was godawful.

vnzla81
09-04-2012, 11:53 PM
Barbosa was great for the Pacers until the playoffs.

Heisenberg
09-05-2012, 12:25 AM
All this really does is tell me that not many ESPN guys outside of Rusillo actually watch the games and players the get paid to discuss. Whatever you think of Hollinger at least he bases his opinion on something tangible and if you follow him on Twitter it's clear he watches a lot of hoops, and if you listen to Rusillo's podcasts he clearly knows the league. Those two and Legler are really the only ESPN guys (that aren't in game commentators) that I'll listen to. It's kind of a shame really, these dudes get paid well to watch the NBA and talk about it. That's their freakin job.

xIndyFan
09-05-2012, 07:32 AM
Gerald Henderson was 184. Wasn't he given as one of the guys about the same level as Danny.

Pacerized
09-05-2012, 08:55 AM
Gerald Henderson was 184. Wasn't he given as one of the guys about the same level as Danny.

For anyone to think that is just sad.

wintermute
09-05-2012, 11:59 AM
All this really does is tell me that not many ESPN guys outside of Rusillo actually watch the games and players the get paid to discuss. Whatever you think of Hollinger at least he bases his opinion on something tangible and if you follow him on Twitter it's clear he watches a lot of hoops, and if you listen to Rusillo's podcasts he clearly knows the league. Those two and Legler are really the only ESPN guys (that aren't in game commentators) that I'll listen to. It's kind of a shame really, these dudes get paid well to watch the NBA and talk about it. That's their freakin job.

My take on ESPN's ranking is that it is a gauge of perception rather actual ability. In that sense, I think this ranking does provide interesting information, in saying how much observers around the league value various players.

Pacerized
09-05-2012, 01:27 PM
Brandon Rush at 180 up from 269. Ranking higher then Green or Barbosa.
Tyler at 174, down from 122. That's a little worse then I expected.

pacergod2
09-05-2012, 01:51 PM
This is also based on a ten point scale where a one person doesn't rank anybody below a 4 or 5 and another person doesn't rank anybody above an 8. This is a very tough compilation and without them making this a big enough survey then it completely falls apart. I think the exposure to players is another thing. Look at James Jones, Joel Anthonoy, and frankly anybody else on the Heat or Lakers. They tend to all be overrated because of their exposure to who sees them. A guy like Epke Udoh is probably underrated pretty bad because he played decent minutes for two lower tier teams that didn't get a ton of nationally televised games. Plus, being young and having been injured a portion of his career how many NBA guys have seen much of his game?

These kind of surveys are fun though I will say that. No matter how much I disagree with some of their rankings.

Pacerized
09-05-2012, 07:23 PM
Dunleavy at 166.

Pacergod2, I think I have the same view as you on this. Even though they use 104 sports experts they're all ESPN employees which corrupts the results. I'm also sure exposure is an issue. If you asked me to rate 500 players I really couldn't say that I've seen all of them play so I'd be going off of stats on lesser known players which some of these experts may do. If it makes us debate a players ranking then it's something to talk about in a very boring period of time for the nba. It might also give as a clue as to how much we over value or under value our own players.
Just looking at Rush makes me wornder if we'd been better off keeping him then having Green.

Eleazar
09-05-2012, 08:13 PM
Just looking at Rush makes me wornder if we'd been better off keeping him then having Green.

Nope, we wouldn't. Not because Green or Rush is better than the other, but because Rush didn't want to be here anymore. His career was hurt by JOB, and he wasn't enamored with Vogel like most the rest of the players.

Pacerized
09-05-2012, 10:28 PM
Jarrett Jack at 161

Pacerized
09-06-2012, 08:25 PM
DJ Augustin at 147

Stephen Jackson 151
Al Harrington 143

Pacerized
09-11-2012, 09:12 PM
Artest at 137.
Kaman at 113, I expect that to go up next year playing next to Dirk.

Trader Joe
09-12-2012, 11:10 AM
DC comes in at 98. Jameer Nelson at 102. DJ Augustin at 147? Bologna.

Eleazar
09-12-2012, 11:28 AM
Apparently there is a time limit on editing a post.

Here is an updated list.

Blake Ahearn 494
Orlando Johnson 462
Miles Plumlee 433
jeff Pendergraph 421
Lance Stephenson 405
Ian Mahinmi 251
Gerald Green 246
Tyler Hansbrough 174
D.J. Augustin 147
George Hill 87
Paul George 75
David West 56


AJ Price 384
Greg Oden 372
Troy Murphy 355
Jamaal Tinsley 347
Kyrylo Fesenko 327
Josh McRoberts 304
Dhantay Jones 301
Lou Amundson 294
Marquis daniels 291
James Jones 252
Jerryd Bayless 197
Leandro Barbosa 183
Brandon Rush 180
Mike Dunleavy 166
Jarrett Jack 161
Stephen Jackson 151
Al Harrington 143
Ron Artest 137
Chris Kaman 113
Darren Collison 98
Kawhi Leonard 95
OJ Mayo 90
Goran Dragic 83
Mike Conley 65

wintermute
09-12-2012, 12:15 PM
Apparently there is a time limit on editing a post.

Here is an updated list.

Blake Ahearn 494
Orlando Johnson 462
Miles Plumlee 433
jeff Pendergraph 421
Lance Stephenson 405
Ian Mahinmi 251
Gerald Green 246
Tyler Hansbrough 174
D.J. Augustin 147


AJ Price 384
Greg Oden 372
Troy Murphy 355
Jamaal Tinsley 347
Kyrylo Fesenko 327
Josh McRoberts 304
Dhantay Jones 301
Lou Amundson 294
Marquis daniels 291
James Jones 252
Jerryd Bayless 197
Leandro Barbosa 183
Brandon Rush 180
Mike Dunleavy 166
Jarrett Jack 161
Stephen Jackson 151
Al Harrington 143
Ron Artest 137
Chris Kaman 113
Darren Collison 98

And just for completeness, Sundiata Gaines is at 408 and Sam Young is at 275.

Pacerized
09-12-2012, 12:49 PM
DC comes in at 98. Jameer Nelson at 102. DJ Augustin at 147? Bologna.

I really don't think that's off far enough for me to disagree strongly with it. DC should be somewhat higher then Augustin but maybe Augustin should be a littler higher then 147. I think our fans often undervalue a player when they don't show the potential to be an all star but DC was a solid player. We were completely fleeced by the Mavs in trading DC for nothing more then a player we could have just signed. In the end we didn't even use the cap space it created.

Eleazar
09-12-2012, 02:48 PM
Looks like all 5 starters will be at a minimum in the top 90.

J7F
09-12-2012, 04:38 PM
We were completely fleeced by the Mavs in trading DC for nothing more then a player we could have just signed. In the end we didn't even use the cap space it created.

Wasn't that space used on DJ & Green?

Eleazar
09-12-2012, 05:31 PM
Wasn't that space used on DJ & Green?

Yes, and no. Becuase re-signing Hill and Hibbert were all about timing in order to sign those other players you could make an argument both ways.

LG33
09-12-2012, 05:48 PM
George Hill comes in at #87, up from #91 the year before.

spreedom
09-12-2012, 08:42 PM
All this really does is tell me that not many ESPN guys outside of Rusillo actually watch the games and players the get paid to discuss. Whatever you think of Hollinger at least he bases his opinion on something tangible and if you follow him on Twitter it's clear he watches a lot of hoops, and if you listen to Rusillo's podcasts he clearly knows the league. Those two and Legler are really the only ESPN guys (that aren't in game commentators) that I'll listen to. It's kind of a shame really, these dudes get paid well to watch the NBA and talk about it. That's their freakin job.

The only other guy I'd lump in there is Simmons. I love his perspective, even if he's whiffed on a couple of things. Rusillo is by far the best NBA mind at ESPN.

spreedom
09-12-2012, 08:43 PM
BTW, it boggles my mind that Tyler was like 25 spots higher than Gerald Green.

Pacerized
09-12-2012, 08:53 PM
BTW, it boggles my mind that Tyler was like 25 spots higher than Gerald Green.

Barbosa was ranked 63 spots higher then Green. It just tells me that in general our bench did not improve this year. If you go strictly off individual talent, it may be worse.

The Big Smooth
09-12-2012, 09:41 PM
Barbosa was ranked 63 spots higher then Green. It just tells me that in general our bench did not improve this year. If you go strictly off individual talent, it may be worse.

It tells me that these rankings mean very little.

wintermute
09-12-2012, 09:53 PM
BTW, it boggles my mind that Tyler was like 25 spots higher than Gerald Green.

25 spots isn't a lot at this level of the rankings. And anyway, Green had a great season while Hans had a terrible one last year. Take away that one year though, and who wouldn't rank Hans higher than Green?


It tells me that these rankings mean very little.

Always possible :) Or that we're not interpreting them correctly. It's a perception issue really. Green hasn't been in the league in a while, Hans was a starter not long ago. It will take a while for opinions to catch up.

Eleazar
09-13-2012, 02:49 PM
Paul George #75

Naptown_Seth
09-13-2012, 08:50 PM
Barbosa at 183, that's 63 spots up from Green.
Luckily for us this isn't based in reality. In his days of quickness Barbosa was a speed demon killer but we saw last year that he was an aging, good in certain spots type of player and nowhere near the athlete of Green.

Sully is going to really disappoint a lot of fans, and Redd being anywhere near Green at this point makes no sense.

OTOH talk about living on rep, how is Tyler in the top 400?

Naptown_Seth
09-13-2012, 08:57 PM
All this really does is tell me that not many ESPN guys outside of Rusillo actually watch the games and players the get paid to discuss. Whatever you think of Hollinger at least he bases his opinion on something tangible and if you follow him on Twitter it's clear he watches a lot of hoops, and if you listen to Rusillo's podcasts he clearly knows the league. Those two and Legler are really the only ESPN guys (that aren't in game commentators) that I'll listen to. It's kind of a shame really, these dudes get paid well to watch the NBA and talk about it. That's their freakin job.
100% agree on all counts.

It's sad that Kiper can know thousands of recent and current prospects in pretty good detail and a lot of NBA commentators/talking heads can't keep up with 400-500.

I love when a guy will do pre-game color or something and mention the skill set of a particular Pacer and basically have it completely opposite of reality. I don't mean in the "he's better than that" homer anger, I mean in the "well actually he can't do anything you said he can and lives off of all the stuff you say he doesn't do". Embarrassing.

If it wasn't for Rusillo I'd have no faith in ESPN at all anymore. I even noticed that Simmons is falling off after he did all that work for the basketball book. He's slowly drifting out of touch with everything other than the elite teams/players.

vnzla81
09-14-2012, 04:37 PM
I don't know if Seth noticed this so I'm just going to post it again, Tyler #174 Mcbob #304, take that Naptownseth :cool:

sportfireman
09-14-2012, 05:24 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8377308/2012-nba-player-rankings-61-70

Seriously how is Anthony Davis #62? He hasn't played in the NBA yet..... ESPN is tuuuurrrrriibbble!!!

Pacerized
09-14-2012, 07:39 PM
Scola at 68, man I wish we could have squeezed 3 more days out of Hibbert and Hill.

vnzla81
09-14-2012, 09:03 PM
Scola at 68, man I wish we could have squeezed 3 more days out of Hibbert and Hill.

Watching Scola play is going to make mad all the time.

Eleazar
09-17-2012, 01:19 PM
David West #56

Reading some of the tweets. Seems like people think this is overrated for him, and the don't seem to realize he was coming off of a major knee injury.

xIndyFan
09-17-2012, 01:52 PM
David West #56

This seems low, i think. Wonder how much getting defended by Battier effected David's rank. Last year he was in the mid-40's i think.

Weird how the list gets little groups of guys at the same positions kinda clumped together. West, Bargiani, gortat, Lopez all together. the B-List of Bigs as it were.

vnzla81
09-17-2012, 02:25 PM
#56 for West is pretty high.

daschysta
09-17-2012, 02:34 PM
Common Sense says West will be improved overall this year, he's healthy afterall. He was a beast in April, and was one of our better players in the playoffs. Sans Danny all of our starters should be improved for one reason or another. George because of youth, Hill due to full time starter position, Hibbert because of youth/ work ethic/ a fixed offense, West due to health.

Interested to see how high they have Hibbert here.

Pacerized
09-17-2012, 02:53 PM
#56 for West is pretty high.

I think he's earned that, it's hard to argue plus or minus 4-5 spots at this point.

Ace E.Anderson
09-17-2012, 03:24 PM
I think he's earned that, it's hard to argue plus or minus 4-5 spots at this point.

I THINK he meant that he deserved to be ranked lower, which would mean he is better than the 56th best player in the NBA. In which I would agree, but at the same time, it's nearly IMPOSSIBLE to argue moving 4-5 spots....like you said.

Trader Joe
09-17-2012, 03:30 PM
No Vnzla means that West should be ranked lower than 56. I.E. David is not deserving of being at 56

yoadknux
09-17-2012, 08:28 PM
You guys think we're gonna have a player in the top 50? Granger was 36 last time, but he had a bad season, so he might drop.
Guess we're gonna have 2. Hibbert and Granger weren't ranked yet and they've finished 51-60 today.

Pacerized
09-18-2012, 06:02 PM
It looks like I low balled Hibbert and Granger in my projections. Glad to see both in the top 40.

pacersgroningen
09-18-2012, 06:27 PM
Ryan Anderson is #50? Puh-Lease! He's a lesser version of when Rashard Lewis received that surreal contract.

Eleazar
09-19-2012, 11:33 AM
Danny Granger 39

Eric Gordon 38

yoadknux
09-19-2012, 12:34 PM
Hibbert will be ranked above Granger... I think it's BS..

pacergod2
09-19-2012, 12:39 PM
Ryan Anderson is #50? Puh-Lease! He's a lesser version of when Rashard Lewis received that surreal contract.

I don't think Ryan Anderson is even a top 100 player. We will see him drop like a rock in water after this year.

Eleazar
09-19-2012, 02:25 PM
Roy Hibbert #35

daschysta
09-19-2012, 04:45 PM
Good for Hibbert.

If we feed him the ball in the post more and play him 32 mpg or so he could edge into the top 20 next year. I expect big things from Hibbert, and I think he'll justify his big contract. He's our most important player, and he's shown flashes of being one of the best bigs in the league, he did well in avoiding much of a huge slump like he had previously had once a year last season, now to eliminate it and raise his game 1 notch, and he'll be in the ASG year in year out.

Generally Hibbert, George and Hill should rise next year, while Granger and West stay the same, or West may rise due to being healthy all season.

Pacerized
09-19-2012, 07:35 PM
I expected Hibbert to be a little higher then Granger. For all those saying Granger isn't in the same league as Joe Johnson, here's another list showing them very close.
I really think Granger deserves to be above Gordon, Deng, and Iggy. He's simply a better player then Iggy or Deng and Gordon has been injuryed too much to be ranked this high. I know everyone loves Iggy and it seems like everyone takes note of how much Danny's game has dropped but Iggy's game has dropped off at a much faster rate. In 07/08 Danny averaged 19.59 ppg while Iggy was at 19.88. It seems that everyone takes note when Danny's scoring dropped to 18.69 last season yet Iggy's scoring has dropped every year since to the point where he averaged 12.44 but he made the all star team with that, if his scoring drops a little more he may be an MVP candidate. I don't think Iggy's ranked yet so I gues he'll be top 30 on this list. He's a good defender but I don't see an all star level defender in Iggy like I did in Artest in the past. He's a good player and I know there's more to the game then scoring but I think Iggy kind of gets a pass.

Mad-Mad-Mario
09-19-2012, 07:56 PM
I think Mahinmi will be a big help to Hibbert as well, when West is out he won't be out there all by himself, plus other teams bigs won't get as much of a break when he is out.

Eleazar
09-20-2012, 02:32 PM
Iggy came in at #28 and Pierce #29.

Pacerized
09-20-2012, 04:33 PM
Iggy came in at #28 and Pierce #29.

Good rank for Pierce.
Iggy at 28 is a joke. I could see 48.

daschysta
09-20-2012, 07:23 PM
I like Tyson Chandler,like, alot, probably more than the rest of the Knicks combined, but he's not a top 25 NBA player, he never has been.

MvPlumlee
09-22-2012, 05:46 AM
I don't think Ryan Anderson is even a top 100 player. We will see him drop like a rock in water after this year.

Ryan has Anthony Davis to cover for him, much like Howard always did, and Gordon/Rivers to attract defenses. Compare that with the Orlando playoffs team and there isn't even a comparison possible. The talent on the Hornets blows the talent on the Magic out of the water. Not that I like players like him, but he will be allright statistically spoken.

Pacerized
09-26-2012, 07:30 PM
15 Pau Gasol
14 Blake Griffin
13 Bynum ( I think that's a little high)
12 Rondo
11 Dirk
10 Deron
9 Westbrook
8 Wade
7 Kevin Love ( I think this is also a little high)
6 Kobe

That leaves in no particular order: Lebron, Durant, Howard, Chris Paul, and Rose.

shags
09-26-2012, 07:58 PM
15 Pau Gasol
14 Blake Griffin
13 Bynum ( I think that's a little high)
12 Rondo
11 Dirk
10 Deron
9 Westbrook
8 Wade
7 Kevin Love ( I think this is also a little high)
6 Kobe

That leaves in no particular order: Lebron, Durant, Howard, Chris Paul, and Rose.

And I think that will be the order 1 through 5. Maybe Paul ahead of Howard.

xtacy
09-27-2012, 02:29 AM
15 Pau Gasol
14 Blake Griffin
13 Bynum ( I think that's a little high)
12 Rondo
11 Dirk
10 Deron
9 Westbrook
8 Wade
7 Kevin Love ( I think this is also a little high)
6 Kobe

That leaves in no particular order: Lebron, Durant, Howard, Chris Paul, and Rose.

agreed about bynum and love. both overrated.

top 5 should be:

lebron
durant
paul
rose (yes i think rose is better than howard)
howard

King Tuts Tomb
09-27-2012, 03:03 AM
Surprised that Rose is that high. Where he's at right now with injuries I'd have him around the 8-12 range.

Pacerized
09-27-2012, 05:11 PM
And I think that will be the order 1 through 5. Maybe Paul ahead of Howard.

Well that was it.
With 2 players in the top 5 yet to return from surgery's. Players returning 100% has became more common but I don't think you can just assume that Howard and Rose will be the same players once they return.
I don't want the competition but I hope Rose returns to form.
Not that I'm officially wishing him any ill will, but Howard hasn't done anything to boost his Karma.

shags
09-27-2012, 07:07 PM
I wonder which one of the panelists voted LeBron a 9.