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Major Cold
08-13-2012, 04:00 PM
With the talk of the Pacers not getting involved in the recent mega trade, I found many posters talking out both sides of their mouths. Some were ticked that we didn't send Danny to receive Bynum. Those posters thought he is clearly better than Hibbert.

But many of those posters did not want Eric Gordon because he was often injured. So looking at the last three years, why is Bynum clearly better than Hibbert and Gordon not durable enough?

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<colgroup><col><col><col><col><col><col><col><col><col><col><col><col><col><col><col><col><col><col><col><col><col><col><col><col><col></colgroup><thead>
Season
Age
Tm
Lg
G
GS
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS

</thead><tbody>
2005-06 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bynuman01/gamelog/2006/)
18
LAL (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2006.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2006.html)
46
0
7.3
0.7
1.8
.402
0.0
0.0

0.2
0.6
.296
0.7
1.0
1.7
0.2
0.1
0.5
0.4
1.2
1.6


2006-07 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bynuman01/gamelog/2007/)
19
LAL (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2007.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2007.html)
82
53
21.9
3.0
5.4
.558
0.0
0.0
.000
1.7
2.6
.668
1.7
4.2
5.9
1.1
0.1
1.6
1.4
3.0
7.8


2007-08 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bynuman01/gamelog/2008/)
20
LAL (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2008.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2008.html)
35
25
28.8
5.4
8.5
.636
0.0
0.0

2.3
3.4
.695
3.0
7.2
10.2
1.7
0.3
2.1
1.5
2.8
13.1


2008-09 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bynuman01/gamelog/2009/)
21
LAL (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2009.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2009.html)
50
50
28.9
5.6
10.0
.560
0.0
0.0

3.0
4.3
.707
2.7
5.2
8.0
1.4
0.4
1.8
1.7
3.1
14.3


2009-10 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bynuman01/gamelog/2010/)
22
LAL (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2010.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2010.html)
65
65
30.4
6.0
10.6
.570
0.0
0.0
.000
3.0
4.0
.739
2.7
5.6
8.3
1.0
0.5
1.4
1.8
3.0
15.0


2010-11 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bynuman01/gamelog/2011/)
23
LAL (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2011.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011.html)
54
47
27.8
4.4
7.6
.574
0.0
0.0

2.6
3.9
.660
3.1
6.3
9.4
1.4
0.4
2.0
1.4
2.6
11.3


2011-12 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bynuman01/gamelog/2012/)
24
LAL (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2012.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2012.html)
60
60
35.2
7.4
13.3
.558
0.0
0.1
.200
3.9
5.6
.692
3.2
8.6
11.8
1.4
0.5
1.9
2.5
1.7
18.7

</tbody><tfoot>
Career


NBA
392
300
26.0
4.7
8.2
.566
0.0
0.0
.111
2.4
3.5
.687
2.4
5.4
7.8
1.2
0.3
1.6
1.6
2.5
11.7

</tfoot>

Data courtesy Basketball-Reference.com (http://www.basketball-reference.com).


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<tbody>
Season
Age
Tm
Lg
G
GS
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


2005-06 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bynuman01/gamelog/2006/)
18
LAL (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2006.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2006.html)
46
0
7.3
0.7
1.8
.402
0.0
0.0

0.2
0.6
.296
0.7
1.0
1.7
0.2
0.1
0.5
0.4
1.2
1.6


2006-07 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bynuman01/gamelog/2007/)
19
LAL (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2007.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2007.html)
82
53
21.9
3.0
5.4
.558
0.0
0.0
.000
1.7
2.6
.668
1.7
4.2
5.9
1.1
0.1
1.6
1.4
3.0
7.8


2007-08 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bynuman01/gamelog/2008/)
20
LAL (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2008.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2008.html)
35
25
28.8
5.4
8.5
.636
0.0
0.0

2.3
3.4
.695
3.0
7.2
10.2
1.7
0.3
2.1
1.5
2.8
13.1


2008-09 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bynuman01/gamelog/2009/)
21
LAL (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2009.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2009.html)
50
50
28.9
5.6
10.0
.560
0.0
0.0

3.0
4.3
.707
2.7
5.2
8.0
1.4
0.4
1.8
1.7
3.1
14.3


2009-10 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bynuman01/gamelog/2010/)
22
LAL (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2010.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2010.html)
65
65
30.4
6.0
10.6
.570
0.0
0.0
.000
3.0
4.0
.739
2.7
5.6
8.3
1.0
0.5
1.4
1.8
3.0
15.0


2010-11 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bynuman01/gamelog/2011/)
23
LAL (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2011.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011.html)
54
47
27.8
4.4
7.6
.574
0.0
0.0

2.6
3.9
.660
3.1
6.3
9.4
1.4
0.4
2.0
1.4
2.6
11.3


2011-12 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bynuman01/gamelog/2012/)
24
LAL (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2012.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2012.html)
60
60
35.2
7.4
13.3
.558
0.0
0.1
.200
3.9
5.6
.692
3.2
8.6
11.8
1.4
0.5
1.9
2.5
1.7
18.7


Career


NBA
392
300
26.0
4.7
8.2
.566
0.0
0.0
.111
2.4
3.5
.687
2.4
5.4
7.8
1.2
0.3
1.6
1.6
2.5
11.7

</tbody>

Data courtesy Basketball-Reference.com (http://www.basketball-reference.com).




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<colgroup><col><col><col><col><col><col><col><col><col><col><col><col><col><col><col><col><col><col><col><col><col><col><col><col><col></colgroup><thead>
Season
Age
Tm
Lg
G
GS
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS

</thead><tbody>
2008-09 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gordoer01/gamelog/2009/)
20
LAC (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAC/2009.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2009.html)
78
65
34.3
5.3
11.6
.456
1.7
4.3
.389
3.8
4.5
.854
0.6
2.0
2.6
2.8
1.0
0.4
2.1
2.2
16.1


2009-10 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gordoer01/gamelog/2010/)
21
LAC (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAC/2010.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2010.html)
62
60
36.0
5.7
12.6
.449
1.9
5.2
.371
3.6
4.8
.742
0.4
2.2
2.6
3.0
1.1
0.2
2.3
1.5
16.9


2010-11 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gordoer01/gamelog/2011/)
22
LAC (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAC/2011.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011.html)
56
56
37.7
7.6
16.9
.450
1.9
5.2
.364
5.1
6.2
.825
0.8
2.1
2.9
4.4
1.3
0.3
2.7
2.1
22.3


2011-12 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gordoer01/gamelog/2012/)
23
NOH (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NOH/2012.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2012.html)
9
9
34.4
7.0
15.6
.450
1.1
4.4
.250
5.4
7.2
.754
0.2
2.6
2.8
3.4
1.4
0.4
2.7
2.2
20.6

</tbody><tfoot>
Career


NBA
205
190
35.7
6.1
13.5
.452
1.8
4.8
.370
4.2
5.2
.807
0.6
2.1
2.7
3.3
1.1
0.3
2.4
2.0
18.2

</tfoot>

Data courtesy Basketball-Reference.com (http://www.basketball-reference.com).


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<tbody>
Season
Age
Tm
Lg
G
GS
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


2008-09 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gordoer01/gamelog/2009/)
20
LAC (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAC/2009.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2009.html)
78
65
34.3
5.3
11.6
.456
1.7
4.3
.389
3.8
4.5
.854
0.6
2.0
2.6
2.8
1.0
0.4
2.1
2.2
16.1


2009-10 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gordoer01/gamelog/2010/)
21
LAC (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAC/2010.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2010.html)
62
60
36.0
5.7
12.6
.449
1.9
5.2
.371
3.6
4.8
.742
0.4
2.2
2.6
3.0
1.1
0.2
2.3
1.5
16.9


2010-11 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gordoer01/gamelog/2011/)
22
LAC (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAC/2011.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011.html)
56
56
37.7
7.6
16.9
.450
1.9
5.2
.364
5.1
6.2
.825
0.8
2.1
2.9
4.4
1.3
0.3
2.7
2.1
22.3


2011-12 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gordoer01/gamelog/2012/)
23
NOH (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NOH/2012.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2012.html)
9
9
34.4
7.0
15.6
.450
1.1
4.4
.250
5.4
7.2
.754
0.2
2.6
2.8
3.4
1.4
0.4
2.7
2.2
20.6


Career


NBA
205
190
35.7
6.1
13.5
.452
1.8
4.8
.370
4.2
5.2
.807
0.6
2.1
2.7
3.3
1.1
0.3
2.4
2.0
18.2

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Data courtesy Basketball-Reference.com (http://www.basketball-reference.com).


Make no bones. This is not about us getting Gordon. This is about the constant discontentment from fans.

Bynum is more skilled than Hibbert. But his lack of conditioning and leadership skills renders him less influential both on and off the court. Can Howard man handle Hibbert? yes.

Can Bynum man handle him? No. Does Bynum create such a disparity at the 5 spot when we play Philly? No. Is he more effective against Hibbert than Spencer Hawes? Yes.

But does it mean that we are now light years behind the 76ers because they got Bynum and we didn't? No

pacersgroningen
08-13-2012, 04:05 PM
I think it is because people tend to focus on the most recent past. Bynum played 60 out of 66 games last season. Gordon 9 out of 66. The emphasis is on last season. It always is.

OlBlu
08-13-2012, 04:07 PM
I love posters who only quote stats and close their eyes and don't watch the games. Bynum is a polished NBA center. In fact, he is the second best center in the NBA. He has great offensive moves even though he played on a team where he was the third or fourth option as Howard will be. There is much less difference between Howard and Bynum than there is between Hibbert and Bynum. Bynum will be the all star game staring center. It isn't clear that Hibbert will be named to the team. Just see how much Philly is improved with the addition of Bynum. I think they easily move ahead of the Pacers and they may be as high as third or fourth in the East when the season is over.....:cool: ...

Major Cold
08-13-2012, 04:18 PM
I love posters who only quote stats and close their eyes and don't watch the games. Bynum is a polished NBA center. In fact, he is the second best center in the NBA. He has great offensive moves even though he played on a team where he was the third or fourth option as Howard will be. There is much less difference between Howard and Bynum than there is between Hibbert and Bynum. Bynum will be the all star game staring center. It isn't clear that Hibbert will be named to the team. Just see how much Philly is improved with the addition of Bynum. I think they easily move ahead of the Pacers and they may be as high as third or fourth in the East when the season is over.....:cool: ...Sweet. We last years game against the Lakers:<script type="text/javascript" src="http://widgets.sports-reference.com/wg.fcgi?css=1&site=bbr&url=%2Fboxscores%2F201201220LAL.html&div=div_IND_basic"></script><style type="text/css">.sr_widget table { border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 1em;}.sr_widget table td { padding-right: 1em;}/* The basic stats table. */.sr_widget .stats_table { border-collapse: collapse; border: #747678 solid 1px; font-size: .875em; margin-bottom: 1em; /* assorted other things */ /* For tables inside a stats_table */}.sr_widget .stats_table th, .sr_widget .stats_table td { border-width: 1px; border-color: #aaaaaa; padding: 3px; vertical-align: inherit;}.sr_widget .stats_table th *, .sr_widget .stats_table td * { vertical-align: inherit;}.sr_widget .stats_table th { background-color: #dadcde; border-style: solid;}.sr_widget .stats_table td { border-style: dotted; white-space: nowrap!important;}.sr_widget .stats_table td.wrap { white-space: normal;}.sr_widget .stats_table td.double_border { border-left: 4px solid #747678;}.sr_widget .stats_table tr:last-child> td, .sr_widget .stats_table th { border-bottom: #747678 solid 1px;}.sr_widget .stats_table tr:first-child> td, .sr_widget .stats_table th { border-top: #747678 solid 1px;}.sr_widget .stats_table tr { vertical-align: top;}.sr_widget .stats_table tr td:first-child, .sr_widget .stats_table tr th:first-child { border-left: #747678 solid 1px;}.sr_widget .stats_table tr td:last-child, .sr_widget .stats_table tr th:last-child { border-right: #747678 solid 1px;}.sr_widget .stats_table tr.vmiddle { vertical-align: baseline;}.sr_widget .stats_table .normal_text { font-size: 1em!important; /* 12 px */}.sr_widget .stats_table .normal_text th, .sr_widget .stats_table .normal_text td { padding: 4px!important;}.sr_widget .stats_table table td { border: 0!important; padding: 2px!important;}.sr_widget .stats_table form { margin: 0; padding: 0;}.sr_widget .stats_table select, .sr_widget .stats_table input { font-size: .8175em!important;}.sr_widget .sortable .sort_col { background-color: #ffffaa; border: solid 2px #747678;}.sr_widget .blank_table { background-color: #dadcde; height: 0; padding: 0;}.sr_widget .partial_table, .sr_widget .partial_table a { color: #414345; text-decoration: none;}.sr_widget .stat_average, .sr_widget .stat_total { background-color: #dadcde; font-weight: 700;}</style>
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Basic Box Score Statistics


Starters
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS
+/-

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David West (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/westda01.html)
39:52
7
15
.467
1
1
1.000
0
0

3
6
9
4
1
0
3
1
15
-1


Darren Collison (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/collida01.html)
38:04
4
8
.500
1
2
.500
3
3
1.000
0
4
4
7
0
0
4
2
12
+8


Danny Granger (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/grangda01.html)
34:18
4
14
.286
2
6
.333
6
8
.750
0
5
5
3
0
3
1
4
16
-1


Paul George (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/georgpa01.html)
33:25
5
8
.625
2
4
.500
1
2
.500
0
5
5
2
2
0
2
2
13
+9


Roy Hibbert (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hibbero01.html)
27:26
9
13
.692
0
0

0
0

2
6
8
4
0
0
2
3
18
+18


Reserves
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS
+/-


Tyler Hansbrough (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hansbty01.html)
22:05
0
5
.000
0
0

0
0

3
4
7
0
0
0
0
1
0
-8


George Hill (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hillge01.html)
18:47
4
6
.667
3
4
.750
0
0

1
2
3
1
0
0
1
4
11
-10


Dahntay Jones (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jonesda02.html)
13:42
2
4
.500
1
1
1.000
4
4
1.000
1
4
5
1
0
0
0
2
9
+3


Louis Amundson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/amundlo01.html)
6:27
0
3
.000
0
0

0
0

1
2
3
0
0
0
1
2
0
-6


Lance Stephenson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stephla01.html)
5:54
1
1
1.000
0
0

2
2
1.000
1
0
1
0
0
0
1
1
4
-2

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Team Totals
240
36
77
.468
10
18
.556
16
19
.842
12
38
50
22
3
3
15
22
98


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Data courtesy Basketball-Reference.com (http://www.basketball-reference.com).


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And since you don't like stats. I remember that game. And Bynum did not man handle Roy. Would Roy be as effective against Bynum in a 7 game series, where Bynum is the first option? No. Will he be Bynum's whipping boy? hardly


........:cool:

OlBlu
08-13-2012, 04:33 PM
And since you don't like stats. I remember that game. And Bynum did not man handle Roy. Would Roy be as effective against Bynum in a 7 game series, where Bynum is the first option? No. Will he be Bynum's whipping boy? hardly


........:cool:[/QUOTE]


Hey!! :cool: ...

Heisenberg
08-13-2012, 05:56 PM
I don't like when people post stats and boxscores because Danny's always on there shooting 4-14 and it makes me sad. It makes me go find games he shot well just to see how he managed to even hit 40%.

cgg
08-13-2012, 06:32 PM
:cool: :cool2:

OlBlu
08-13-2012, 06:41 PM
:cool: :cool2:



Hey!! :cool: ... Hey again...........:cool: ...

Tom White
08-13-2012, 06:54 PM
I don't like when people post stats and boxscores because Danny's always on there shooting 4-14 and it makes me sad. It makes me go find games he shot well just to see how he managed to even hit 40%.

How long does everyone think that will take?

Hypnotiq
08-13-2012, 07:05 PM
Hey!! :cool: ... Hey again...........:cool: ...

:cool:.....

vnzla81
08-13-2012, 07:06 PM
How long does everyone think that will take?

Save some time and just look at the last 10 to 15 games I think :laugh:







Note: waiting for somebody to overreact on my comments in 3...2...1....

OlBlu
08-13-2012, 08:47 PM
:cool:.....

Hey! :cool: ...

Nuntius
08-14-2012, 01:08 AM
Some people just like to nag. That's usual PD stuff. I swear that if certain people had their way within the organization then the Pacers would change line-ups after every game ;)



Bynum is more skilled than Hibbert.

I'll disagree here. Is Bynum more athletic than Hibbert? Heck yeah. Is Bynum a better Center overall? Yes, one can easily make a case about it. Is he a more skilled basketball player than Hibbert? No, he isn't. He isn't more skilled than Marc Gasol or Greg Monroe either.

That's not to say of course that Bynum is not a skilled basketball player. He is skilled. And it's that combination of skill and tremendous athleticism that make him a great Center.

Lurkster
08-14-2012, 02:49 AM
Bigs do not equal smalls

Heisenberg
08-14-2012, 02:56 AM
Bigs do not equal smalls

bet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JZom_gVfuw)

Major Cold
08-14-2012, 11:38 AM
Some people just like to nag. That's usual PD stuff. I swear that if certain people had their way within the organization then the Pacers would change line-ups after every game ;)



I'll disagree here. Is Bynum more athletic than Hibbert? Heck yeah. Is Bynum a better Center overall? Yes, one can easily make a case about it. Is he a more skilled basketball player than Hibbert? No, he isn't. He isn't more skilled than Marc Gasol or Greg Monroe either.

That's not to say of course that Bynum is not a skilled basketball player. He is skilled. And it's that combination of skill and tremendous athleticism that make him a great Center.


See I think Bynum's low post moves are way better than Roy's. And his post defense is better. Roy is a better rotational player, but that is because of the system he has been placed in.

xIndyFan
08-14-2012, 12:43 PM
Some people just like to nag. That's usual PD stuff. I swear that if certain people had their way within the organization then the Pacers would change line-ups after every game ;)



I'll disagree here. Is Bynum more athletic than Hibbert? Heck yeah. Is Bynum a better Center overall? Yes, one can easily make a case about it. Is he a more skilled basketball player than Hibbert? No, he isn't. He isn't more skilled than Marc Gasol or Greg Monroe either.

That's not to say of course that Bynum is not a skilled basketball player. He is skilled. And it's that combination of skill and tremendous athleticism that make him a great Center.

that and the fact that he is really really big.

2minutes twoa
08-14-2012, 01:47 PM
I just don't see the fire and determination to win when it comes to Bynum. I don't think he will handle being "the man" very well. You can have all the tools, but it doesn't matter if the fire isn't there! (I'm looking at you Odom)

Nuntius
08-14-2012, 02:30 PM
See I think Bynum's low post moves are way better than Roy's. And his post defense is better. Roy is a better rotational player, but that is because of the system he has been placed in.

Bynum is stronger than Roy and thus gets deeper position in the post. He has good post moves and his strength helps his post defense a lot.

I'd say that when it comes to post moves the two players are roughly on the same level.

But Roy can shoot and pass better than Bynum. Andrew is not a great passer out of double teams and he is not as reliable from the mid range or the FT line as Roy.

So, I'd say that Roy is more skilled although Bynum is overally a better player.

That's my take, at least.

OlBlu
08-14-2012, 03:26 PM
I just don't see the fire and determination to win when it comes to Bynum. I don't think he will handle being "the man" very well. You can have all the tools, but it doesn't matter if the fire isn't there! (I'm looking at you Odom)

Odom had one bad year. I would love to have that guy on a team if I was any GM. He has personal issues last year. I look for him to come back strong in LA....:cool: ...

2minutes twoa
08-14-2012, 09:09 PM
Odom had one bad year. I would love to have that guy on a team if I was any GM. He has personal issues last year. I look for him to come back strong in LA....:cool: ...

But he's never realized his full potential. He could've easily been the number one option on a team, but never seemed to accept the challenge.

OlBlu
08-14-2012, 09:18 PM
But he's never realized his full potential. He could've easily been the number one option on a team, but never seemed to accept the challenge.

Well, I see him a lot better than that. People rave about Harden but Odom was sixth man of the year a few times I think. He went to a team where it was not possible to be a number one option......:cool: ...

vnzla81
08-14-2012, 09:32 PM
Odom could have been a hall of famer if it wasn't because he is an unmotivated lazy player, good player but his potential was way better.

Ace E.Anderson
08-14-2012, 10:27 PM
Bynum is stronger than Roy and thus gets deeper position in the post. He has good post moves and his strength helps his post defense a lot.

I'd say that when it comes to post moves the two players are roughly on the same level.

But Roy can shoot and pass better than Bynum. Andrew is not a great passer out of double teams and he is not as reliable from the mid range or the FT line as Roy.

So, I'd say that Roy is more skilled although Bynum is overally a better player.

That's my take, at least.

Classic case of a player hitting the genetic lottery (Bynum). He has things that you can't teach (superior size and strength, nimble/quick feet, soft hands, etc) he's never needed to learn to shoot a 12-14 ft J because he doesn't need to. Never needed to learn to pass because he gets dominant low post position.

Roy HAD to learn those things because though he's tall, he wasn't athletic, nimble nor particularly strong. There's no doubt that Bynum is the better player (given his physical gifts and natural ability) but Id agree that Roy is more skilled.

One thing nobody mentions is the fact that Roy is A LOT more durable than Bynum. It'll be interesting to see if Bynum stays healthy now that he's the number one option in Philly.