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BrownBearCoffee
07-09-2012, 10:52 AM
I thought it would be useful for us to have a dedicated thread for those who care to watch the NBA Summer League.

The Sleeze
07-09-2012, 11:01 AM
For some reason I like to watch the summer league, but I never put too much stock in it. Lance lit it up a couple years ago and that didn't really translate to the regular season.

Kstat
07-09-2012, 11:03 AM
Summer league is just fun in a competitive atmosphere. I love it, but yes it guarantees nothing.

Drummond, and knight getting to play together so soon is really fun for me. Also can't wait to see Kyle singler and Kim English in action.

LoneGranger33
07-09-2012, 11:04 AM
Tyshawn Taylor shooting lights out.

Unclebuck
07-09-2012, 11:05 AM
I don't pay attention to summer league, I think you generally learn nothing. Enjoy the games if you want, nothing wrong with that, but I think to make any lasting judgment on certain players is a huge mistake.

ECKrueger
07-09-2012, 11:08 AM
NBA.com:

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x158/eckrueger/ScreenShot2012-07-09at110922AM.png

TinManJoshua
07-09-2012, 11:10 AM
I don't pay attention to summer league, I think you generally learn nothing. Enjoy the games if you want, nothing wrong with that, but I think to make any lasting judgment on certain players is a huge mistake.

I agree you shouldn't put too much stock into the outcomes, player performances, etc. However, it is a way to watch basketball in the offseason. Specifically a team wearing the Pacers logo.

ECKrueger
07-09-2012, 11:13 AM
Morrison just got abused on D.

LoneGranger33
07-09-2012, 11:18 AM
MarShon Brooks is playing well, unless you consider making shots and not turning the ball over as playing well.

imbtyler
07-09-2012, 11:25 AM
Justin Harper, wearing 32 for the Magic, hitting 3's. Shouldn't that Summer League jersey be retired? And wow, Tyshawn Taylor is ballin'.

Kstat
07-09-2012, 11:26 AM
Taylor is the only net out there with a pulse.

imbtyler
07-09-2012, 11:33 AM
Nice alley-oop by Nets' Carlton Scott.

Edit: From Steven Dennis. A couple of "Ricky Bobby" names.

Really?
07-09-2012, 11:36 AM
Kyle O'Quinn looking pretty decent.

HickeyS2000
07-09-2012, 11:40 AM
This thread is... so refreshing. I think I will hang out here for a couple of weeks.

imbtyler
07-09-2012, 11:40 AM
Kyle O'Quinn looking pretty decent.

Thanks to Maalik Wayns. He's really pulling this PG work through for the Magic. Depending on the rest of this week, I expect to see him get some bench time with the Magic. Maybe even O'Quinn, too.

imbtyler
07-09-2012, 11:43 AM
Maalik Wayns has 3 points, 7 assists so far in the first half. Just got his first turnover.

imbtyler
07-09-2012, 11:44 AM
Not a travel for Nicholson there. That was a very NBA-typical spin move. He should get used to that for a while, though.

Kstat
07-09-2012, 11:45 AM
Al Thornton used to be promising...now he's playing behind Adam Morrison in summer league.

imbtyler
07-09-2012, 11:46 AM
Hahaha. I've walked around Lake Eola several times. Funny of them to show a beauty shot of the lake. That's nice.

imbtyler
07-09-2012, 11:49 AM
Andrew Nicholson blocks the hell out of Al Thornton. "Get that outta here!"

I just realized that the only thing I'm looking forward to in the Boston-OKC game is seeing Perry Jones III getting some run. I can't wait to see how he plays, at least in this scenario.

imbtyler
07-09-2012, 11:50 AM
That's MarShon Brooks' second traveling. Stop screwing around, Shon. You're trying too hard.

Kstat
07-09-2012, 11:52 AM
On a side note, Popeye Jones's son Seth is one of the top hockey prospects in the world.

Really?
07-09-2012, 11:53 AM
Thanks to Maalik Wayns. He's really pulling this PG work through for the Magic. Depending on the rest of this week, I expect to see him get some bench time with the Magic. Maybe even O'Quinn, too.

Yup, possibly, who all do they have at the point still I know Jameer is back. Also yeah I expect O'Quinn to make the team, they just traded away Ryan Anderson, and Dwight should be gone soon, not sure what is up with D.Orton, but not sure who all they have beyond Big Baby, and Gustavo Ayon depth wise.

Really?
07-09-2012, 11:56 AM
Thanks to Maalik Wayns. He's really pulling this PG work through for the Magic. Depending on the rest of this week, I expect to see him get some bench time with the Magic. Maybe even O'Quinn, too.

By the way I wanted the Pacers to trade up to the 2nd and draft O'Quinn so bad, but that did not happen, would not be surprised if he has a better career than Plumlee.

imbtyler
07-09-2012, 12:10 PM
Nicholson gets two good slams against Brooklyn. And a great pass by Wayns on the fast break. Wowzers.

Nuntius
07-09-2012, 12:27 PM
Watching Tornike Shengelia again is nice. Last time I watched him was last summer in Eurobasket.

imbtyler
07-09-2012, 12:40 PM
Carlton Scott's passing lane pick and lay-up puts the Nets within 10 against the Magic.

Nuntius
07-09-2012, 12:53 PM
That's a pretty good game.

imbtyler
07-09-2012, 12:53 PM
Wow, Tyshawn Taylor ties up the game at 86 with a fastbreak 3.

Nuntius
07-09-2012, 12:55 PM
Big and-1 by Nicholson there.

imbtyler
07-09-2012, 12:57 PM
Brooks is 0-9 from the field this game. If they draw up a play for him ---

WOAH. Great move by Thornton!

imbtyler
07-09-2012, 12:59 PM
Nah, guys. Let Morrison hit this 3 for the tie.

Really?
07-09-2012, 01:00 PM
Wow, Tyshawn Taylor ties up the game at 86 with a fastbreak 3.

I think his 3pt ability kind of went a little unnoticed in the draft process, after shooting really well during the season, he really cooled in the tourney...

imbtyler
07-09-2012, 01:00 PM
"It's not about the shoes, it's about the headband." Anyone could ask Chris Rice about that. It's the truth.

Really?
07-09-2012, 01:01 PM
Nicholson is a beast out there...

imbtyler
07-09-2012, 01:02 PM
Magic beat the Nets, 88-92. On to Boston-OKC. I'll be sticking around briefly to see if PJ3 makes any moves right out of the gate. I wanted him in a Pacers uni so bad. Now I just want Green.

PacerPenguins
07-09-2012, 01:07 PM
KK time to see wat PJ3 can do

imbtyler
07-09-2012, 01:09 PM
Nicholson had 24 points (on 50% shooting), 12 rebounds, 2 blocks against the Nets.

imbtyler
07-09-2012, 01:13 PM
Jones is wearing #3! Awesome!

PacersHomer
07-09-2012, 01:16 PM
Man I hate how this announcer says Et-twaun instead of E'Twaun.

imbtyler
07-09-2012, 01:17 PM
Reggie Jackson with a sick tomahawk. Very nice. Jackson/Jones/Aldrich isn't too bad of a lineup. Wish Lazar Hayward and Garrett Temple were more worth talking about.

PacerPenguins
07-09-2012, 01:18 PM
PJ3 looks scared

imbtyler
07-09-2012, 01:19 PM
PJ3 with the soft putback dunk!

imbtyler
07-09-2012, 01:20 PM
Other commentator made my exact point: PJ3 won't get much time with OKC for a few years. Which will hamper his development. He needs to be on a team who will be supplementing him in multiple positions, like the Pacers would.

Nuntius
07-09-2012, 01:21 PM
PJ3 with the soft putback dunk!

I wouldn't call that a dunk ;)

Really?
07-09-2012, 01:24 PM
Other commentator made my exact point: PJ3 won't get much time with OKC for a few years. Which will hamper his development. He needs to be on a team who will be supplementing him in multiple positions, like the Pacers would.

He will get time in practice going against pretty good competition if it is at the 3 or the 4, and should learn a lot from guys like Serge and Durant. I would not be surprised if he averages about 10 min per game this year...

Sparhawk
07-09-2012, 01:24 PM
Andrew Nicholson blocks the hell out of Al Thornton. "Get that outta here!"

I just realized that the only thing I'm looking forward to in the Boston-OKC game is seeing Perry Jones III getting some run. I can't wait to see how he plays, at least in this scenario.

I won't see it, but I'll be reading for updates.

Really?
07-09-2012, 01:25 PM
Why does he have 2 personal fouls already though... smh..

Really?
07-09-2012, 01:25 PM
Actually more excited to see what Quincy Miller does in the Vegas summer league...

Sparhawk
07-09-2012, 01:28 PM
Actually more excited to see what Quincy Miller does in the Vegas summer league...

I want to see what PJII & Quincy too. I would say Moultrie, but wasn't he pulled with an ankle sprain?

Wanted 2 of those 3 guys and the Pacers had a chance to get 2 of those 3. While I'm happy with OJ, I just think the Pacers would have been better with Quincy to give a real backup for Granger. A legit 6'10 athletic backup.

Oh well. Only time will tell if the Pacers made the right choices.

PritchSlap
07-09-2012, 02:02 PM
My dvr went haywire, can anyone tell me how "Et-Twaun" and JJ are doing?

pacer4ever
07-09-2012, 02:07 PM
At least OKC is using PJ3 correctly the dude isnt a low post player I dont get why Scott Drew though he was. He never has been and likely never will be but I bet it did help him long term adding the few post moves he learned at Baylor.

Kstat
07-09-2012, 02:08 PM
He can't shoot either, so....

PritchSlap
07-09-2012, 02:20 PM
Et-Twaun with the buzzer beater! Merry Christmas!

Really?
07-09-2012, 02:36 PM
Watching PJIII put up numbers like this kind of hurts, even though it is summer league and he still has the "Knee Issue" I still think we could have took a chance on him, oh well...

Heisenberg
07-09-2012, 02:55 PM
Smooge taking over in crunch time. Too bad it's summer league.

Hypnotiq
07-09-2012, 03:02 PM
Plumlee better show us something here

IUfan4life
07-09-2012, 03:14 PM
On a side note, Popeye Jones's son Seth is one of the top hockey prospects in the world.

Very good interview from Popeye on Dan Le Betard Highly questionable. Talks about race in hockey, among other things
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugNS9H7Snoo

Heisenberg
07-09-2012, 03:17 PM
Andre Drummond is a very large young man.

Him and Enes Kanter going head to head right now.

Heisenberg
07-09-2012, 03:27 PM
John Stockton's son's playing for Utah's team

Hypnotiq
07-09-2012, 03:27 PM
Kanter looks terrible

Kstat
07-09-2012, 03:30 PM
Kanter looks terrible

I think Kanter has met another center he couldn't move before...

He's trying to proves somethign against drummond and he is getting beaten up.

pacer4ever
07-09-2012, 03:30 PM
poor Drummond must of drawn the short end of the stick his shorts dont fit really short. Feel like he is wearing 80s/ 90s shorts lol.


Damn what a rebound


I still cant believe he dropped.

BrownBearCoffee
07-09-2012, 03:33 PM
Stockton's son can pass and play some D.

Kstat, Monroe and Drummond are going to look REALLY good next to one another.

pacer4ever
07-09-2012, 03:36 PM
ya it's not fair lol 3 years in a row top 5 talents drop in the draft to Detroit props to Detroit though for actually going BPA.

Sparhawk
07-09-2012, 03:49 PM
Sully with 20 and 6.

Really?
07-09-2012, 03:50 PM
Wow Austin Daye is playing summer league...

Slick Pinkham
07-09-2012, 03:51 PM
are the summer league box scores posted somewhere? I searched but didn't find them

Since86
07-09-2012, 03:53 PM
http://www.nba.com/summer-league/gameline/20120709/

Hypnotiq
07-09-2012, 04:00 PM
Drummond. :laugh:

Heisenberg
07-09-2012, 04:21 PM
Some of these guards look like dudes I play with at the rec

pacer4ever
07-09-2012, 04:24 PM
Some of these guards look like dudes I play with at the rec

dont let Blake Ahearn fool you dude is an assassin in the Dleague would eat your buddies for lunch even if he doesn't look like a player :laugh:.

Heisenberg
07-09-2012, 04:26 PM
dont let Blake Ahearn fool you dude is an assassin in the Dleague would eat your buddies for lunch even if he doesn't look like a player :laugh:.
oh I know lol, not saying I play with dudes with like 10% of these guys talents, just always fun seeing some Billy Hoyles in the summer league

Heisenberg
07-09-2012, 04:34 PM
Larry walks in the gym. Rocking one of the worst shirts ever.

graphic-er
07-09-2012, 04:36 PM
I cant watch but looking at the stats, looks like Kyle Singler is having a really good game.

Hypnotiq
07-09-2012, 04:38 PM
I cant watch but looking at the stats, looks like Kyle Singler is having a really good game.

Yea he looks real good will be a good backup for Prince in Detroit

pacer4ever
07-09-2012, 04:38 PM
Singler looks so much better than he did at Duke (I didnt think he was NBA material coming out). That year over seas really helped him develop his body he moves much better than I remember on defense. I now think he can actually play some 3 in the NBA now and is tougher. He impressed me in the few games I caught of his last year.


Maybe Duke really does hinder showing athletic ability lol na? But Singler just moves like I never though he would be able to hard work in the gym.

spazzxb
07-09-2012, 04:46 PM
I am looking forward to seeing the Lance show, Pendergraph as well as getting a taste of what the rookies have to offer. I love summer league because baseball bores me to death and there are no other sports right now. Its nice that The players can actually work with the coaches , unlike last summer.

Kstat
07-09-2012, 04:55 PM
Loved every second of drummond, knight, singler and english. That was so much fun.

pacer4ever
07-09-2012, 04:56 PM
Loved every second of drummond, knight, singler and english. That was so much fun.

you are forgetting my man Casper Ware he wont make the team but the kid is fun to watch.

Kstat
07-09-2012, 04:57 PM
Singler looks so much better than he did at Duke (I didnt think he was NBA material coming out). That year over seas really helped him develop his body he moves much better than I remember on defense. I now think he can actually play some 3 in the NBA now and is tougher. He impressed me in the few games I caught of his last year.


Maybe Duke really does hinder showing athletic ability lol na? But Singler just moves like I never though he would be able to hard work in the gym.

Singler turned me into a real Madrid fan last year. He was doing this just about ever game for them.

Lance George
07-09-2012, 05:00 PM
DraftExpress2 (DraftExpress2) on Twitter (https://twitter.com/DraftExpress2)


DraftExpress2 ‏@DraftExpress2
Andre Drummond has 2 air balls from the foul line, two made step back jumpers from the midrange, and a dunk to make up his 6-point SL debut.

29.5% from the line at UConn. I can't recall ever seeing a worse free throw shooter.

Kstat
07-09-2012, 05:02 PM
Eric snow was much worse at Michigan state. His freshman year he shot %20. It took him 3 years to get above %29.

Coupe
07-09-2012, 05:05 PM
I like this crash guy

BrownBearCoffee
07-09-2012, 05:07 PM
Oh no... Plumlee is sporting a parted hair style.

PacerPenguins
07-09-2012, 05:07 PM
Y u call timeouts....

Kstat
07-09-2012, 05:08 PM
Our game was delayed 10 minutes for the same reason.

pacer4ever
07-09-2012, 05:10 PM
DraftExpress2 (DraftExpress2) on Twitter (https://twitter.com/DraftExpress2)



29.5% from the line at UConn. I can't recall ever seeing a worse free throw shooter.

I don't think it's a problem if you move your feet like the Dream on defense no joke Drummond moves like a guard on defense.He needs to work on some things on defense but naturally he is pretty good just based on how he moves. He would be a big man coaches dream.


and yes Real Madrid was fun to watch last year starting with Ibaka playing the first few games all the way though the season. Mirotic, Singler and their guards were a must watch(especially their pg his name I am forgetting for some reason :laugh:).

Kstat
07-09-2012, 05:15 PM
Yeah drummonds defense was jaw dropping today. Made plays at the rim and 30 feet from the hoop.

He made last year's #3 pick enes kanter look like a little kid.

Hypnotiq
07-09-2012, 05:16 PM
Ridiculous hurry up with this ****

Dr. Awesome
07-09-2012, 05:35 PM
Is Jim O'Brien coaching? So many threes.

I gotta go to work. :-(

ensergio
07-09-2012, 05:52 PM
About Plumlee. He is a big body. A mediocre big body.

InYaFace
07-09-2012, 06:16 PM
OJ is ice cold tonight, but I like him, don't know why...Stephenson got to learn some freethrows and his 3 was off at the beginning. Plumlee isnt a good lowpost scorer yet. A lot of fouls and turnovers with a low shootingpercentage from both teams. Like Holidays brother on the other team, but the Hansbrough brother is dribbling too much for my taste.

InYaFace
07-09-2012, 06:32 PM
Okay...best play of the game: Lance Stephenson drive and spinmove to the basket and a nice pass to Plumlee at the end, who dunks it! Stephenson had an alley oop before.

xIndyFan
07-09-2012, 07:10 PM
All things considered, a successful summer league game.

Olando Johnson looks like a guy that can play now. Miles Plumlee looks like he can play. Got some work to do, but he looks like an NBA player.

I do feel sorry for lance. He looks like an NBA player playing summer league. Trying to dial it down and do what he's supposed to. Nice to see him get the PG minutes. If he can play the point, all is good.

InYaFace
07-09-2012, 07:24 PM
Nice W...
Stephenson can make some pretty plays with the ball in his hand but is best in the open court. His 3pt shot is still not that good. I like him as a point and not at shooting guard.
Orlando Johnson is a player!!! He hasnt the best shot selection and tries a lot one on one, but he can create his own shot and made some good baskets at the end when it counted. I like his aggressiveness. When he didnt hit a shot at the beginning, he started going to the baskets drawing some fouls, that's what good scorers do. I liked his defense.
Miles Plumlee did what he was supposed to do. He got a lot of boards and tried to alter shots at the basket. He hit some shots, but his offensive game is rough especially in the post. Looked solid out there and not lost.
I was disappointed with Pendergraph...he did nothing but fouling. Not impressive...Josh McRoberts is better than him^^.
I didnt took a closer look at the other players, cause they probably wont get a shot for us.
Player of the meaningless game: Orlando Johnson ;)... good night folks!

pacer4ever
07-09-2012, 11:32 PM
I just saw that David Harrison will be playing for the Mavs in Vegas guess Rick likes him

pacer4ever
07-10-2012, 12:32 AM
Here is a link to all the known rosters so far in Vegas and ORL http://secretrival.blogspot.com/2012/07/2012-nba-summer-league-rosters.html?spref=tw



talk about overreaction on OJ one guy says he sucks after watching him for 5 mintues this dude calls him Dwade :laugh:


http://www.aintnopacerhater.com/2012/07/orlando-johnsons-game-reminiscent-of.html

I guess the name of the blog is spot on I probably would of went with "PacersBiggestHomer.com" instead.


I dont get guys judging people after seeing him play one time LOL

for EX:

It's not all positive though. He didn't knock down threes consistently enough (although his release looked pure). He didn't shoot free throws well enough. It is difficult to find too many negatives, though.

that is just based on one game if you watch the guy in college he was one of the best shooters in the draft especially one of the best shooters while guarded. He is right though bad FT shooter for such a good shooter just like Brandon Rush was. It could of just been he had a off shooting night and is a rookie the overreaction of summer league is just so LOL



Fran Fraschilla ‏@franfraschilla
@nbadraftblog NBA Summer league performance & stats can skewed if your team doesn't have a pass-first PG, even if that guy doesn't make team
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3h Ed Isaacson ‏@nbadraftblog
People are going way overboard analyzing player performances in 1 summer league game. Next we will start getting play diagrams lol


I agree completely with Fran not so much pass first but just a pg who can play and run the offense (which IMO we don't have)

OJ and Plumlee will be much more efficient with a real pg. OJ isnt gonna have to over dribble when he has real NBA pgs.

and the draft blog guy is 100% right also it's just ridiculous what some people say after watching a kid for his first game that they had never seen before.

MyFavMartin
07-10-2012, 12:34 AM
Didn't see the game. Think Burke (the strength coach, right?) is coaching so they run fewer sets and more streetball/guard-oriented?

Heisenberg
07-10-2012, 12:44 AM
Didn't see the game. Think Burke (the strength coach, right?) is coaching so they run fewer sets and more streetball/guard-oriented?
Burke's a regular assistant coach. Supposed to be more of a scouting/preperation guy. The strength coach is Shawn Windle (this season's NBA strength and conditioning coach of the year).

Lance George
07-10-2012, 01:11 AM
I remember the year of the Bayless-for-Rush draft-night swap, Bayless had an incredible Summer League, and all I read all summer was how Indy had made a huge mistake in trading away a perennial All-Star in the making. Hasn't quite worked out that way so far.

Off the top of my head, Marco Belinelli and Quincy "The Original Unibrow (http://basketsession.com/files/2010/06/Quincy-DOUBY-250.jpg)" Douby are a couple of other Summer League legends. Yeah... We all want our guys to do well, obviously, but don't get too excited. Summer League's proven it can be extremely misleading.

Anyway, between the Howard deal (hopefully) finally about to end, and this being the eve of the day when things can become official, I'm hoping the rumors pick up dramatically today (Tuesday). Things have gotten way too boring lately.

pacer4ever
07-10-2012, 12:39 PM
My guy Alec Burks is dominating like he did in the Indy pro am. He is gonna be really good in 2-3 years once he fills out. Loved him out of Colorado but he needs time still to get his body right and improve his jumper though but he has sOme special ability to attack the rack.

Sparhawk
07-10-2012, 12:43 PM
My guy Alec Burks is dominating like he did in the Indy pro am. He is gonna be really good in 2-3 years once he fills out. Loved him out of Colorado but he needs time still to get his body right and improve his jumper though but he has sOme special ability to attack the rack.

Great offensive performance, but he didn't have a single assist, steal or block. And only had 3 boards. He certainly has a nice skill to shoot, but does he offer anything else other than that one skill?

pacer4ever
07-10-2012, 12:49 PM
Great offensive performance, but he didn't have a single assist, steal or block. And only had 3 boards. He certainly has a nice skill to shoot, but does he offer anything else other than that one skill?

His shooting isn't that good penetration is his skill currently and should be special. You can't expect him to be in sync with guys when he had never played with 10 of the guys on his team. He was a good passer at COL he just needs a training camp and more time to gel last season was really hard on rookies. He has 20 and 6 poential he is a really good passer dont know if he ever reaches it. But yes he has multiple NBA skills just wait and see.

shags
07-10-2012, 03:03 PM
Andre Drummond MAKES a free throw!!!!

Ralph Snart
07-10-2012, 03:45 PM
Roy Hibbert:

Hoya2aPacer: Looking back at when I played summer league n years past. A lot of people got fooled by some players performances. @StephensonLance is legit

Psyren
07-10-2012, 04:43 PM
Watching Andre Drummond in college usually made me cringe.

I see not much has changed.

Kstat
07-10-2012, 04:47 PM
He looked a bit tired in this game. Hasn't been terribly involved after the defensive performance he put on yesterday. He hasn't played much in the 2nd half.

Yesterday he was giving Olajuwon flashbacks by how much havoc he caused defensively from the paint out to the 3 point line. Today, he admittedly vanished after the first 5 minutes. He's 18, he'll get over it.

Still looking forward to him starting the season opener.

Lance George
07-10-2012, 04:55 PM
Is Detroit's center position so horrible that clueless Drummond is actually expected to start? Yikes...

Kstat
07-10-2012, 04:59 PM
....you are just never going to get over the fact that I don't pay you any attention, are you?

Thanks for reminding me to put you on ignore, anyhow. See you in your next life.

Heisenberg
07-10-2012, 05:37 PM
Mark Price looks like he could still play some spot minutes.

E'Twaun Moore having a pretty solid game, been doing pretty solid running the point which is what he'll have to do if he wants to stick in the NBA long term.

JaJaun Johnson...not so much. I'm scared for his future.

Nuntius
07-10-2012, 05:56 PM
Still looking forward to him starting the season opener.

Well, he pairs well with Monroe so why not?

Nuntius
07-10-2012, 05:59 PM
By the way, do we have a box score from the BKN game? I want to see Shengelia's numbers :-p

ilive4sports
07-10-2012, 06:13 PM
By the way, do we have a box score from the BKN game? I want to see Shengelia's numbers :-p
Box scores for all teh games today http://www.nba.com/summer-league/gameline/20120710/

Nuntius
07-10-2012, 06:15 PM
Box scores for all teh games today http://www.nba.com/summer-league/gameline/20120710/

I love you :D

Kstat
07-10-2012, 06:20 PM
Well, he pairs well with Monroe so why not?

Defensively, he's off-the-chart good. Much more skilled than single-minded shot blockers like McGee and Jordan. He doesn't just block shots, he wrecks entire plays.

Offensively, he's off-the-charts bad. Can't make a FT, can't post, no offensive move other than a face-up jumper and a dunk. I can certainly live with that trade-off, because the guy he defends doesn't score either.

Nuntius
07-10-2012, 06:24 PM
Defensively, he's off-the-chart good. Much more skilled than single-minded shot blockers like McGee and Jordan. He doesn't just block shots, he wrecks entire plays.

Offensively, he's off-the-charts bad. Can't make a FT, can't post, no offensive move other than a face-up jumper and a dunk. I can certainly live with that trade-off, because the guy he defends doesn't score either.

That was mainly my point.

Drummond is a good defender, especially above the rim. Monroe plays mostly below the rim defense (as we've already discussed he can guard on the perimeter and make steals). Monroe can score.

So, in essence they synergize well because Monroe fixes Drummond's weaknesses and Drummond does the same for Monroe.

Besides, Monroe can pass and he could play the occasional high-low with Drummond who could dunk it and thus produce some points as well.

So, it seems like a great pairing.

pacer4ever
07-10-2012, 06:26 PM
I love you :D

Don't let the numbers fool you he was better than the numbers. Dude was every where just like he was us euro. His motor doesn't stop love him as a garbage man in the NBA. Was all over the ball maybe a little to physical right now use to euro ball. But after he adjusts he will be really good IMO in that role. Kris Hump lite

ECKrueger
07-10-2012, 07:13 PM
Mark Price looks like he could still play some spot minutes.

E'Twaun Moore having a pretty solid game, been doing pretty solid running the point which is what he'll have to do if he wants to stick in the NBA long term.

JaJaun Johnson...not so much. I'm scared for his future.

E has definitely looked solid, which makes me happy. Think he might get some time next year.

JJ, stat-wise, hasn't done squat really. 23 minutes and 3-6 for FGs? Not gonna cut it. I definitely think his time in Boston is short. He did have the highest +/- on the team somehow though.

Nuntius
07-10-2012, 08:01 PM
Don't let the numbers fool you he was better than the numbers. Dude was every where just like he was us euro. His motor doesn't stop love him as a garbage man in the NBA. Was all over the ball maybe a little to physical right now use to euro ball. But after he adjusts he will be really good IMO in that role. Kris Hump lite

I'm glad to listen that he is better than his numbers indicated. Although, his numbers were not bad for his minutes.

I didn't manage to watch the game when he was playing, though.

I see that he is committing some turnovers. Are those offensive fouls and result from him being too physical as you said? Or is he too all over the place at times? :)

Noodle
07-10-2012, 09:15 PM
....you are just never going to get over the fact that I don't pay you any attention, are you?

Thanks for reminding me to put you on ignore, anyhow. See you in your next life.

For the record, his comment makes me very happy. :devil:

cdash
07-10-2012, 09:24 PM
I put almost zero stock in Summer League numbers, but I like the reports I am reading about Lance seeming more in control and playing more like a veteran (which he should). The guy has talent. If we keep his crazy in check and he puts in the work, we might be able to carve a decent player out of him.

Anthem
07-10-2012, 11:16 PM
I remember the year of the Bayless-for-Rush draft-night swap, Bayless had an incredible Summer League, and all I read all summer was how Indy had made a huge mistake in trading away a perennial All-Star in the making. Hasn't quite worked out that way so far.

Off the top of my head, Marco Belinelli and Quincy "The Original Unibrow (http://basketsession.com/files/2010/06/Quincy-DOUBY-250.jpg)" Douby are a couple of other Summer League legends. Yeah... We all want our guys to do well, obviously, but don't get too excited. Summer League's proven it can be extremely misleading.
How can you dismiss the once-in-a-generation talent that is Javaris Crittenton?

Lance George
07-11-2012, 12:01 AM
How can you dismiss the once-in-a-generation talent that is Javaris Crittenton?

Good choice. Javaris really murdered the competition that summer.

SycamoreKen
07-11-2012, 01:08 PM
Drummond looks good today. And then misses the easy dunk!

Nuntius
07-11-2012, 01:09 PM
Good start by Drummond.

PS: And as I was typing this he missed an open dunk :-p

SycamoreKen
07-11-2012, 01:14 PM
Daye has pretty good handles for his height.

SycamoreKen
07-11-2012, 01:15 PM
Brandon Knight on the other hand seems to be way out of control.

Nuntius
07-11-2012, 01:15 PM
Daye has pretty good handles for his height.

Well, he certainly ain't a 4 ;)

SycamoreKen
07-11-2012, 01:20 PM
True, he is way to slight.

SycamoreKen
07-11-2012, 01:27 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing how Drummond handles real bigs. He has some nice tools and looks to be playing hard.

Kstat
07-11-2012, 01:31 PM
Say what you will about his offense, but drummonds defense is so much fun to watch. This is what I wanted to see from him this week. Completely shut down the paint.

He's only 18. He will have extreme highs like today and lows like yesterday.

Sparhawk
07-11-2012, 01:33 PM
Reggie Jackson...want.

Speed
07-11-2012, 01:40 PM
Reggie Jackson...want.

I think Lance really took it to him yesterday, not thats the end all be all, but still.

SycamoreKen
07-11-2012, 01:41 PM
i don't think OKC is going to move Jackson. I think they will send us Fish though.

Since86
07-11-2012, 01:44 PM
i don't think OKC is going to move Jackson. I think they will send us Fish though.

Don't forget about Maynor.

granger
07-11-2012, 02:26 PM
Whenever I watch Brandon Knight, his cealing screams back up pointguard on good team. LMAO at pistons fans arguing at the beggining of last season that he is gona be better then Kyrie Irving.

Kstat
07-11-2012, 02:27 PM
Really? Do us all a favor and bring up which posts we said that here...

I love Brandon knight. He has been crap all week, but I'll put more stock into his all-rooke 1st team season than a few meaningless exhibition games. Thanks.

granger
07-11-2012, 02:39 PM
I didnt said you said that here so I m not gona search posts but I clearly remember there was lots of msgs about that on messege boards.
And just because of that I thought, maybe on Kentucy he was used wrongly or I just watched his bad games, and I tried to watched Pistons to check him.
He lacks ballhandling,playmaking,courtvision,decision making,left hand, consistant shot and he turns the ball lot. Ye he is young and gona improve but for me he just dont has it. Pistons should use Monroe passing ability more this season.

Kstat
07-11-2012, 02:45 PM
Yeah. Knight is terrible. He can't play the game of basketball. That's why he started 60 games last season and was an all rookie first teamer.

If he could not do all of those things, he would not even have gotten a scholarship, let alone be an NBA player.

Nuntius
07-11-2012, 02:47 PM
Say what you will about his offense, but drummonds defense is so much fun to watch. This is what I wanted to see from him this week. Completely shut down the paint.

He's only 18. He will have extreme highs like today and lows like yesterday.

When someone is as good of a defender as he is then he doesn't really need much offense.

Drummond will need 3 things offensively:

1) Finish strong at the rim. He shouldn't miss uncontested dunks. He will get open at the pro level as defenses focus on Monroe so he needs to be able to take care of those.

2) Hit the occasional jumper. He doesn't need to become a mid range threat of course. He just needs to be able to hit the side / elbow jumper when the defenses focus on Monroe. Greg is a good passer and he'll be able to get the ball to him when he is double-teamed. All that he needs to do is keep the defenses honest.

3) Hit his free throws. And that's his main problem and what he should aim to improve. Drummond will get fouled quite a lot in the pro level. He'll mainly play under the basket and he will either the dunk the ball or get fouled. 29% is not going to cut it. Make it 60 - 65% and he is golden.

That's it. He doesn't need to develop a post-up game. Monroe is the go-to post-up guy and Drummond will mostly score off of him.

MyFavMartin
07-11-2012, 04:06 PM
A few points I'd like discussed:

1. Who has impressed you so far in the Summer League that should get a camp invite?

I've liked Mavunga and been a fan of N'daiye since his Rutgers days.

2. Lance's defense:

Also think Lance needs to learn from Ben how to get around/through a screen. Stephenson is too easily picked and while has had great offensive games, what's the point if Lance's man gets wherever he wants/penetrates so well?

3. Plumlee/Hibbert front court this season?

Plumlee has impressed. His athleticism shows his ability to defend the PnR very well. Against OKC, a commentator (Bulls former player Gill?) said he could project a Plumlee/Hibbert front court this season. I wonder if his rebound numbers are low because switching on the PnR pulls him away from the basket? How would you feel about a Plumlee/Hibbert front court?

joew8302
07-11-2012, 04:32 PM
I do find it odd that Detroit brought Knight and Austin Daye to summer league, but whatever works for you I guess.

I am glad to say Plumlee playing well, but don't foget, Tyler was a stud during summer league a few years ago. Look where that has gotten him.

I still don't like the pick, but I am glad to see he is playing well, unlike some....(looks at Jeff Pendergraph)

Kstat
07-11-2012, 04:35 PM
Knight is only 20 years old and needs to play with his franchise center. If drummond wasn't here, I'd agree it would be pointless.

Daye...whatever. I guess he's auditioning for other teams here more than his own.

joew8302
07-11-2012, 04:40 PM
Knight is only 20 years old and needs to play with his franchise center. If drummond wasn't here, I'd agree it would be pointless.

Daye...whatever. I guess he's auditioning for other teams here more than his own.

Dang, you are that low on Daye? Granted, I didn't watch Detroit a ton last year, but I seem to remember him playing really well a few times against Indiana.

Kstat
07-11-2012, 04:43 PM
We have Prince, Singler, Jerebko...Daye is as low as you can get on the SF depth chart. He's trade bait at best.

Justin Tyme
07-11-2012, 05:47 PM
How can you dismiss the once-in-a-generation talent that is Javaris Crittenton?


Didn't Travis Diener have a fabulous Summer League game once? Like 30 plus points? Or am I thinking of someone else?

Pace Maker
07-11-2012, 06:15 PM
I'm looking forward to watching the Drummond/Monroe frontcourt next season. I like what I see from Drummond, and Monroe is super overlooked.

Nuntius
07-11-2012, 06:19 PM
I wonder if his rebound numbers are low because switching on the PnR pulls him away from the basket?

He does switch on the PnR and sticks with the man he covers. That's quite true. He seems to have good lateral quickness. He is certainly better than West, Hibbert and Hans in that aspect although that does not say a lot.

He does not have low rebound numbers per se. He had 10 in the first game and 8 in the third. He had a bad second game rebound-wise, though.

His rebounding problems mostly stem from his inability to perform a second leap. He does not seem to attempt to jump for a board after a block attempt. His wingspan does not really help either as most second leapers are really long guys in reality (like Hibbert).

He has to set some priorities, imo. He needs to know when to contest and when to jump. And he also needs to learn to jump a second time.

As I've said before his rebounding is a bit weird. I'm not quite sure what to make of it. He has good potential as a rebounder but he also has some flaws. Luckily, they can be fixed.

Strummer
07-13-2012, 02:09 AM
With one game to go the Pacers have 2 top 10 scorers. Lance is 1st with 20 ppg. Miles is 10th at 14 ppg. (Looks like Miles is 3rd in scoring among rookies).

Miles is a lot better offensive player than I expected. He's "miles" ahead of Jeff Foster in that regard. I've seen him score in a variety of ways and he's shot a high percentage (.526).

If you're interested in seeing the stats, they're listed here: link (http://www.nba.com/summer-league/2012/statistics/orlando/index.html)

Nuntius
07-13-2012, 08:31 AM
(looks at Jeff Pendergraph)

The guy had a bad first game, sure. But in the second game he was amazing but he got hurt and has not played since.

Nuntius
07-13-2012, 08:34 AM
Miles is a lot better offensive player than I expected. He's "miles" ahead of Jeff Foster in that regard. I've seen him score in a variety of ways and he's shot a high percentage (.526).


I have to say that he is nothing like what I expected. He is more polished offensively than I thought he would be. Especially, his jumper. But his a worse rebounder than I expected as well. It's a weird summer league :laugh:

Strummer
07-13-2012, 04:56 PM
Stephenson and Plumlee both made first team. Nice showing.
Link (http://www.nba.com/magic/orlando-magic-announce-airtran-airways-all-summer-league-teams_071312)

1st Team
G – Alec Burks, Utah
G – Lance Stephenson, Indiana
F – Andrew Nicholson, Orlando
F – Austin Daye, Detroit
C – Miles Plumlee, Indiana

2nd Team
G – Brandon Knight, Detroit
G – Reggie Jackson, Oklahoma City
F – Lazar Hayward, Oklahoma City
F – Jared Sullinger, Boston
C – Kyle O’Quinn, Orlando

Honorable Mention
Boston – Dionte Christmas, E’Twaun Moore
Oklahoma City – Garrett Temple
Utah – Enes Kanter, Jeremy Evans
Orlando – Justin Harper, Maalik Wayns
Detroit – Kim English
Philadelphia – Jacob Pullen, Justin Holiday
Brooklyn – Al Thornton, Tyshawn Taylor

pacer4ever
07-13-2012, 05:10 PM
Love me some John Jenkins shooting he is looking like he did at Vandy today lights out.

Wizs and Beal are getting ran out of the gym.

EDIT: Beal's handle looks so much better than it did at FL. That system wasnt good for his game he should be better if the Wiz use him right.

Terrence Jones, Machado and Jeremy Lamb coming off the bench interesting. HOU has a loaded SL squad considering how many young guys they have on their team.

I cant wait till wednesday my 2 favorite pgs go head to head Machado vs Lillard (also Will Barton)

Hypnotiq
07-13-2012, 09:44 PM
Golden state are gonna be really good this year

Klay and Barnes look good

imawhat
07-13-2012, 10:29 PM
God I love Gilchrist. He reminds me so much of Sprewell (with good shot selection).

Heisenberg
07-14-2012, 05:24 PM
This will be used in Pistons game threads

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1230805/drummond.gif

Heisenberg
07-14-2012, 10:31 PM
Brad Beal is just abusing Jeremy Lamb right now

Dr. Awesome
07-15-2012, 03:59 PM
Kendall Marshall!!!!

Dr. Awesome
07-15-2012, 04:00 PM
Wait, I don't see him. What?!?

OlBlu
07-15-2012, 04:08 PM
God I love Gilchrist. He reminds me so much of Sprewell (with good shot selection).

That shooting stroke is mighty ugly from the field and the line........ I cannot picture his shooting a good percentage...:cool:

joew8302
07-15-2012, 04:11 PM
That shooting stroke is mighty ugly from the field and the line........ I cannot picture his shooting a good percentage...:cool:

Most of his shots are going towards the rim. I can't imagine him not shooting a good percentage.

OlBlu
07-15-2012, 04:38 PM
Perhaps so. I love his defense and his hustle but I don't think he will score enough.....:cool:

joew8302
07-15-2012, 06:22 PM
Perhaps so. I love his defense and his hustle but I don't think he will score enough.....:cool:

Enough for what? When he was drafted I don't think it was to average 25 ppg.

He was drafted primarily as an elite wing defender who could rebound his position well and contribute in a transition game.

pacer4ever
07-16-2012, 01:58 AM
I have a feeling Brian Shaw will be going to Portland. Neil Olshey confirmed he wants a great teacher who realtes well to players. Shaw fits the bill perfectly and the Lillard Shaw connection (Shaw is Lillard's mentor of sorts)would be a great fit.


speaking of my boy Damian tonight man he came up clutch. He played awful for the most part but again showed why I love the guy so calm and cool tough he competes and never too high or low. He just didnt shoot the ball like he normally does(Like OJ he is a great shooter his bad shooting wont bother me every shooter has off nights or slumps)

Probably my favorite pg I have ever scouted I just love everything about the kid if I was a coach I would really love that guy as my pg and team leader. So smart high IQ I just love everything he does on a basketball court. The way he changes speed is an art and a skill he and Tony Parker do it better than anyone. I love my guards who can play at 8-10 different speeds and the know when to use each speed it truly is an art. Can make an average speed guy like Rubio play really quick and fast. It makes good athletes like Lillard unstoppable off the dribble. putting a defender to sleep is probably my favorite thing a great pg does when you can do that it makes you so much more versatile. Most guards like DC and Hill play way to fast and dont know when to play super fast and when to slow down. DC is especially bad about it.



I loved what Myers Leonard showed tonight I didn't know he could play that hard. He ran the floor better than college and really helped the team by just running rim to rim. He didn't get many touches but I loved what I saw. He was overly physical and I didnt think that would be a problem LOL. He is still a big time project likely 2-3 years away from being good but I love his upside and potential skill set.


But him taking Arvydas Sabonis #11
:picard:

you gotta earn that # IMO



Dr. , Marshall has contract issues it's kind of :confused: every lottery guy gets 120% of the scale should of been done the day after draft night really. Maybe Starver is getting cheap again?? I dont know it really is weird.

dal9
07-16-2012, 04:11 AM
James White has already put up two stinkers for the NYK. Being a preseason cut twice after signing two separate guaranteed contracts would be some kind of rare achievement

ECKrueger
07-16-2012, 08:28 PM
THE Jimmer put up 30

ECKrueger
07-16-2012, 10:30 PM
Robbie Hummel is making his debut!

joew8302
07-16-2012, 10:48 PM
THE Jimmer put up 30

And gave up 50

dal9
07-17-2012, 12:44 AM
Robbie Hummel is making his debut!
how'd he look?

Heisenberg
07-17-2012, 01:46 AM
how'd he look?

haven't watched the game yet but he had 6/6/1 with a block on 3-6

pacer4ever
07-17-2012, 02:38 AM
my man Scott Machado finally looked semi-comfortable today. He still didnt look normal but playing with 12 new guys will do that to you. Rockets arent a good fit ethier Royce White and Terrence Jones are so ball dominate on his unit hard for him to play his game. When he plays with 2 other point forwards and guys who never catch his passes because they aren't use to guys making those kind of passes.


I hope a team gives him a chance he will be fine once he learns his teammates and gets into a NBA training camp.

EDIT: and Dontas showed in his past 3 games why I had trouble scouting him. One game he looks like the next Dirk with a motor. The next game he looks like a poor mans Darko it may be age. But he looks the exact same as he did in Euro when I scouted him dude is an enigma. I have no clue how he will pan out but it's just weird how half the time he doesn't show up and the other half he almost cant be stopped.

imbtyler
07-17-2012, 02:55 AM
Reggie Jackson slams all over dunk contest "winner" Jeremy Evans in Summer League:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/0YF2DSbFceY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

To whomever likes Jackson. This shows off his length and athleticism. And also, screw Jeremy Evans.

Strummer
07-17-2012, 01:54 PM
Article (http://www.foxsportsmidwest.com/07/16/12/Pacers-happy-with-results-from-summer-le/landing_pacers.html?blockID=761360&feedID=4106) from Conrad Brunner about the Pacers summer league players.


Indianapolis -- Summer league basketball is akin to minor league baseball. It's less about wins and losses than player development and evaluation.

The Indiana Pacers aren't sweating their 2-3 record in the recently concluded Orlando Pro Summer League because they got exactly what they wanted from the week in Florida -- long looks at third-year guard Lance Stephenson as well as rookies Miles Plumlee and Orlando Johnson.

For the most part, they liked what they saw.

Stephenson continued to build the case he is ready for a regular role off the bench, leading the team in scoring (19.8) and assists (4.8), not to mention turnovers (3.5). He shot .526 overall but continued to struggle for consistency behind the 3-point line, shooting 5 of 17 (.294).

"He's ready to get his shot," Coach Frank Vogel said. "The moves we made on our bench are setting him up to be the backup shooting guard and he's going to get the opportunity to go into training camp with that as his role.

"It's time for us to find out, to really find out, about Lance Stephenson. We feel like we've got some guys around him in Gerald Green and D.J. Augustin -- two laser 3-point shooters -- that are just going create space for him to go to work. We're looking forward to seeing him come in and take the next step."

Plumlee showed little of the advertised characteristics that led to his surprise selection at No. 26 overall -- defense, rebounding and a Jeff Foster-like aggression. Instead, he primarily showcased his offensive game, averaging 13.0 points on 46 percent shooting while also pulling 6.6 rebounds 31.6 minutes.

With the acquisition of veteran Ian Mahinmi from Dallas last week, the pressure is off Plumlee to fill the backup center role right way.

"I thought Plumlee had a better week than I expected," Vogel said. "I thought he showed a better touch at shooting the mid-range jump shot than I thought he had. He showed more of a low-post game than I really thought he had. He made some impressive offensive plays. He showed us more than what we thought. His athleticism and finishing at the rim was what we expected. We knew he's a great dunker and finisher and exciting in that regard.

"He rebounded the ball pretty well. We want to see him be a dominant rebounder. He wasn't terrible, he was pretty good. But overall, very excited about the week he had."

Johnson, the second-round pick from Cal-Santa Barbara acquired by the Pacers from Sacramento in a draft-night trade, had no problem creating shots but struggled mightily to knock then down. He shot 20 of 76 (.263) overall and was 4 of 19 (.211) from the 3-point line, averaging 12.4 points and 5.0 rebounds.

"Sitting next to Donnie (Walsh) and Larry (Bird) and Kevin (Pritchard) during all the practices leading up to summer league, the son-of-a-gun didn't miss a shot in five practices," Vogel said. "Every mid-range jump shot, every open three went down. And it was the complete opposite in summer league.

"As a result, when he started missing some shots he started forcing it a little bit, which all young players are going to do. We're not wavering in our confidence at all that he's going to be a heck of a player for us."

Jeff Pendergraph had a hard fall in the first game that led to two developments: an injury that limited the veteran power forward's availability and the late addition of Julian Mavunga to the roster.

The undrafted free agent rookie from Miami (Ohio) impressed the coaching staff with his strong, consistent low-post play. A product of nearby Brownsburg, Ind., Mavunga was a high school teammate of Gordon Hayward who did not commit to basketball full-time until his senior season.

He averaged 6.0 points and 6.0 rebounds in 19 minutes per game, hitting 50 percent of his shots and may well have earned an invitation to training camp in October.

"He had a terrific week, really made the best of his opportunity," Vogel said. "A little bit undersized (6-8, 245) but he just went in and basically kicked everybody's butt that he played against which was fun to see and exciting to have as part of what we did in summer league.

"We're looking forward to having him back and getting some more workouts with us and potentially having him in as a camp guy."

There were fewer victories than hoped but more pleasant surprises than not, which qualifies the Pacers' summer league experience as a success.

pacer4ever
07-17-2012, 05:55 PM
Dion Waiters looks awful out of shape and cant drive on Dleague scrubs. His defense is awful instead of working out by himself after getting a promise pretty clear he just sat on his *** eating donuts. Not that big of deal just SL and has tons of time to get in shape for the season but if he cant stay in shape for the most important time of his career(the draft) that doesn't sound promising on his work ethic.

Watching him vs the Suns should be interesting if he cant drive on Kendall Marshall I will really start to :lol:

I never liked his back round he was a big time whiner at Cuse. Threaten to transfer because his HOF coach wouldn't start him. I still dont get all the love he got predraft very good agent same agent of Kobe Bryant when he came out. Much more of a me guy than a we guy.

PacerDude
07-17-2012, 06:09 PM
So, how long until people start calling Julian Mavunga the next savior of the franchise ??

pacer4ever
07-17-2012, 09:08 PM
Brent Barry just made my point on why I didnt like Marshall at all for the NBA. A great passer is nice but a great passer does no good if he cant penetrate to get his teammates easy high % shots. Kendall will find teammates but it will be around the perimeter for the most part and be low % shots IMO. Not being able to penetrate is gonna kill him in the NBA. Combo that with terrible defense I just don't see how he is worth anywhere near a lottery pick.

But Dragic will help you can put Marshall on the weaker guy and play him with Goran. The Suns will suck for a long time but I don't think their owner cares I think he just wants a product that is fun to watch.

Dion Waiters only burned Marshall like 3 times in the 1st half that concerns me maybe he is more out of shape than even I though :laugh:.

Nuntius
07-17-2012, 09:50 PM
Royce White is an excellent creator.

Nuntius
07-17-2012, 09:59 PM
That injury does not look good at all..

Let's hope that the guy is ok.

pacer4ever
07-17-2012, 09:59 PM
Royce White is an excellent creator.

don't spoil that game doesn't come on my tv until 1am they showed the other game live (that game is the best matchup of the SL for me lol)

My 2 favorite spects face off Damian Lillard and Machado

Trophy
07-17-2012, 10:07 PM
don't spoil that game doesn't come on my tv until 1am they showed the other game live (that game is the best matchup of the SL for me lol)

My 2 favorite spects face off Damian Lillard and Machado

I love Lillard's game. He is a clear-cut NBA PG. He's smart, he can score, he can set up other guys. Most of all, he penetrates. Something that will make him a solid PG in the pros. Portland will be a solid team in coming years.

Heisenberg
07-17-2012, 10:10 PM
Anyone see Nolan Smith get knocked out? Went up for a layup and got hit in the head, was out for a few minutes apparently. Woke up and had movement everywhere and responded to questions thankfully. Left the court on a stretcher, he's in the hospital overnight for precautionary purposes.

pacer4ever
07-17-2012, 10:17 PM
I love Lillard's game. He is a clear-cut NBA PG. He's smart, he can score, he can set up other guys. Most of all, he penetrates. Something that will make him a solid PG in the pros. Portland will be a solid team in coming years.

Ya I was hoping he would stay under the radar like he was his junior year (I had him as a fringe lottery guy at that point and most had him late 2nd) but that didn't happen. The way he improved off his foot injury was incredible. He just showed what a great work ethic can do for you in that year he sat out due to injury. Portland got the steal of the draft at #6 if he went to another program he is the #2 pick easily(he should of been the #2 pick anyway). I will likely be watching the majority of his games next year in Rip City.

I would of traded a anyone on draft night to get him. But making a jump from #26 to #5 is almost impossible.

I got mad every time people said there was only one franchise player in the draft. I think Lillard is a franchise changing guy easily.

imawhat
07-18-2012, 03:08 AM
I'm super high on Lillard. I'd trade any Pacer and possibly any two Pacers for him. He's going to be a star, barring injuries....no doubt about it.

imawhat
07-18-2012, 03:13 AM
Anyone see Nolan Smith get knocked out? Went up for a layup and got hit in the head, was out for a few minutes apparently. Woke up and had movement everywhere and responded to questions thankfully. Left the court on a stretcher, he's in the hospital overnight for precautionary purposes.

Walked out of the hospital tonight but looked really woozy getting into a car. He's definitely done for the summer league but should be ok.

Hypnotiq
07-18-2012, 03:33 AM
So, how long until people start calling Julian Mavunga the next savior of the franchise ??

Surely he is better than Tyler

Sparhawk
07-18-2012, 07:48 AM
Really wanted Royce White. I hope he has great success with the Rockets.

Nuntius
07-18-2012, 08:47 AM
Really wanted Royce White. I hope he has great success with the Rockets.

I wanted Royce as well. Good pick by the Rockets.

Doddage
07-18-2012, 08:52 AM
I wanted Royce as well. Good pick by the Rockets.
Jeremy Lamb was a good pick as well. He has great length and is showing that he has promise as a scorer in the league.

Speed
07-18-2012, 09:18 AM
Rockets got Terrence Jones too, who has put up very good numbers so far.

Slick Pinkham
07-18-2012, 10:17 AM
story on E'Twaun Moore's solid play, learning the PG position

25 points on 10-of-19 shooting to go along with seven rebounds and two assists

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4696346/moore-making-solid-case-to-stick

pacer4ever
07-18-2012, 12:01 PM
Rockets got Terrence Jones too, who has put up very good numbers so far.

Dude is driving me crazy he and Marcus Morris are so selfish. Every time they get a rebound they want to go coast to coast. Royce White does it do to a point but White is very unselfish and makes the right play the other 2 do not.

pacer4ever
07-18-2012, 10:37 PM
My dude Machado finally played pretty good. He was forcing TOs on defense and penetrating at will on Marquis Teague. I am still a little mad we didnt offer him a guaranteed deal like the Cavs did with Kevin Jones.

had 20/6 and 4 steals and only 1 TO. He still needs to learn his personal but with a full camp that wont be an issue. Defensively he played like I scouted today quick hands and feet and in the right positions. His defense isnt gonna be good by any means but much better than he gets credit for.

Dont put much stock in it but he did it vs a NBA guard and happy he at least will get a camp invite for sure now.


He played like I envision him playing at the NBA level vs a terrific NBA athlete at that. I still dont get how Tbird saw Cabbages in him LOL but that is the nature of scouting some see different things in different players. Oh well better for him anyway he will probably be Houston's main backup next year.(would rather see him as a primary backup and develop than a 3rd string here. Although I would of rather signed him and after next year he could be the main backup if he progresses and develops like I know he can.)

ballism
07-18-2012, 10:46 PM
The Rockets team overall looks amazing so far. As if they were trying to get to Orlando ASAP.
Lamb, Motiejunas, Jones all very impressive.
Motiejunas should be very good next year. Obviously depends on where he plays and how many PFs with more NBA experience are on that team. (Donate him to the Bobcats to play next to Biyombo, please.)
Lamb should be in rotation right away. + lots of upside. I never liked him, because he looked bad in U19 World Cup; but I'm starting to change my mind.
Machado kind of meh overall, but for an undrafted guy he looks fine; he deserves a chance.
Royce White doesn't look as well as I thought. He needs to settle down. I think he'll get much better soon. A better shot would help a lot too.

IndyPacer
07-18-2012, 10:53 PM
Jeremy Lamb was a good pick as well. He has great length and is showing that he has promise as a scorer in the league.

I haven't understood why so many people didn't expect J. Lamb to be a good player. I had him rated as one of the very best shooting guards in the draft. I think Beal was the only guy I rated higher at SG, primarily because Beal is significantly stronger at the moment. J. Lamb currently lacks strength, yet he's still playing well. He seems very smooth and skilled to me. I think he's going to be quite good after he fills out a bit.

On the other hand, many seemed to go nuts over Waiters, which obviously included the Cavs. I still don't understand that. I wouldn't have started to seriously consider Waiters until mid-1st round or below. He seemed to be terribly overrated to me.

pacer4ever
07-18-2012, 10:57 PM
The Rockets team overall looks amazing so far. As if they were trying to get to Orlando ASAP.
Lamb, Motiejunas, Jones all very impressive.
Motiejunas should be very good next year. Obviously depends on where he plays and how many PFs with more NBA experience are on that team. (Donate him to the Bobcats to play next to Biyombo, please.)
Lamb should be in rotation right away. + lots of upside. I never liked him, because he looked bad in U19 World Cup; but I'm starting to change my mind.
Machado kind of meh overall, but for an undrafted guy he looks fine; he deserves a chance.
Royce White doesn't look as well as I thought. He needs to settle down. I think he'll get much better soon. A better shot would help a lot too.

I agree and I expected that he especially needs to know his teammates. Kind of hard to be a floor general when you have never played with the 12 player before. He also shot the ball terribly but I kind of expected that too.

Dontas was hit or miss agree with Jones he was selfish but he was making his shots so wasnt a big deal


SG spot was so deep in the draft like I said pre draft. Lamb at 12 was such a good value all the SG's really were good value outside of Waiters. Beal went a little high for my taste but I guess you gotta pay extra for the NBA ready body and IQ plus the defensive potential no doubt best total package of the SG's currently. I love how Lamb plays just plays his speed and doesnt rush very mature for a young player.


I cant believe how the Kings are using Trob they need to post him up more. They are setting him up to fail if how they used him in SL is how they plan him to play in the season.

ballism
07-18-2012, 11:20 PM
Dontas was hit or miss agree with Jones he was selfish but he was making his shots so wasnt a big deal


Donatas was extremely inconsistent in terms of hitting shots. It's no problem, McHale isn't going to let him shoot a ton anyway, he'll be forced to play in and around the post a lot and make a few jumpers.

But he plays with so much energy, that's the main thing I wanted to see from him. He's going to have to establish himself as a high energy guy in the league, otherwise he'll be too flawed defensively to be a rotation guy.

Right now, he reminds me a lot of Jason Smith from the Hornets. Good shooting, some nice post moves, energy, lacks defensive talent overall, too many fouls. He's a much better passer and a bit bigger than Smith, so if he could just be that -- a bigger Jason Smith with passing -- he'll be a rotation player in the NBA for 10+ years.
I had a much worse opinion of him before the draft last year.

Trophy
07-19-2012, 12:30 AM
Machado finally had a nice scoring game, but his court vision is what I like the most about him.

Really?
07-19-2012, 11:51 AM
My dude Machado finally played pretty good. He was forcing TOs on defense and penetrating at will on Marquis Teague. I am still a little mad we didnt offer him a guaranteed deal like the Cavs did with Kevin Jones.

had 20/6 and 4 steals and only 1 TO. He still needs to learn his personal but with a full camp that wont be an issue. Defensively he played like I scouted today quick hands and feet and in the right positions. His defense isnt gonna be good by any means but much better than he gets credit for.

Dont put much stock in it but he did it vs a NBA guard and happy he at least will get a camp invite for sure now.


He played like I envision him playing at the NBA level vs a terrific NBA athlete at that. I still dont get how Tbird saw Cabbages in him LOL but that is the nature of scouting some see different things in different players. Oh well better for him anyway he will probably be Houston's main backup next year.(would rather see him as a primary backup and develop than a 3rd string here. Although I would of rather signed him and after next year he could be the main backup if he progresses and develops like I know he can.)

They also grabbed Aaron Brooks so he will probably be 3rd string there too, but he did really well against a really inexperienced Teague. I think he is NBA quality PG especially seeing what he has done in summer league. I think the Pacers could still offer him a contract if they would like, I mean Augustine is only on a one year deal, would not be that bad of a situation for him to enter into.

Really?
07-19-2012, 11:59 AM
The Rockets team overall looks amazing so far. As if they were trying to get to Orlando ASAP.
Lamb, Motiejunas, Jones all very impressive.
Motiejunas should be very good next year. Obviously depends on where he plays and how many PFs with more NBA experience are on that team. (Donate him to the Bobcats to play next to Biyombo, please.)
Lamb should be in rotation right away. + lots of upside. I never liked him, because he looked bad in U19 World Cup; but I'm starting to change my mind.
Machado kind of meh overall, but for an undrafted guy he looks fine; he deserves a chance.
Royce White doesn't look as well as I thought. He needs to settle down. I think he'll get much better soon. A better shot would help a lot too.

What do you mean where he plays, Dontas signed a contract, I could not imagine them trading him. I would not be surprised if he did not really work in the low post as much either, it seems like a good NBA coach would know his skillset and try to best use it. I think he would get fairly board if this were the case, and then the questions about him being a indifferent type player would come back into play.

ballism
07-19-2012, 12:50 PM
What do you mean where he plays, Dontas signed a contract, I could not imagine them trading him.

You are jumping to conclusions here, IMO.
they had to sign him. it's either that, or he goes back to Europe for another year. this isn't an out of college rookie who you can push around and keep without a contract.


I would not be surprised if he did not really work in the low post as much either, it seems like a good NBA coach would know his skillset and try to best use it. I think he would get fairly board if this were the case, and then the questions about him being a indifferent type player would come back into play.
but he has that skill set. Not perfect yet by any means, but his footwork in the low post in good. And McHale has already said he'll force him to work in the post a lot.

Really?
07-19-2012, 01:10 PM
You are jumping to conclusions here, IMO.
they had to sign him. it's either that, or he goes back to Europe for another year. this isn't an out of college rookie who you can push around and keep without a contract.

They drafted him because they wanted him I believe, and the thing is how many teams do you know that have drafted a foreign guy, signed him the year after and then traded him before the season starts?

I know the have a lot of guys at the position but just seems like he has the most potential out of the group to me, I think Royce White has a lot but I see him as being more of a 3 in the future.

Maybe you are right, but I just do not see it happening.



but he has that skill set. Not perfect yet by any means, but his footwork in the low post in good. And McHale has already said he'll force him to work in the post a lot.

Didn't know he said that, and he does have the footwork but I do not think he will be good working down there because of his size, I have a feeling the experiment will turn out more like Barngarni if they try to force him to play in the low post.

ballism
07-19-2012, 02:14 PM
They drafted him because they wanted him I believe, and the thing is how many teams do you know that have drafted a foreign guy, signed him the year after and then traded him before the season starts?

I know the have a lot of guys at the position but just seems like he has the most potential out of the group to me, I think Royce White has a lot but I see him as being more of a 3 in the future.

Maybe you are right, but I just do not see it happening.

i don't think that being a foreign guy and staying in Europe for a year is important.

I do think that they like him (they drafted him, after all). But I don't think anyone is 'untouchable' there, if they can get Howard (or Bynum, or however it ends up).

The thing is, if Jones/Lamb etc had any leverage ("I'm offered a much bigger contract in Europe, I'm not going to risk a summer league injury without a contract, make your choice now"), they'd be under contract right now.

If the trade doesn't happen within the next couple of weeks, Motiejunas will be trade eligible and a piece that the Magic are bound to consider.
In fact, his value for the Magic would only increase --- unsigned rookies count as $0 in a trade, while you can take back salaries for Motiejunas.

So if the trade happens now, he probably stays. If not, all bets are off.


Didn't know he said that, and he does have the footwork but I do not think he will be good working down there because of his size, I have a feeling the experiment will turn out more like Barngarni if they try to force him to play in the low post.

why would his size hurt him in the low post, he's 7'1 in shoes. He's very mobile for a guy that big, he has good footwork in the post, and since the '11 draft he seems to be embracing contact and hustling.

It makes me wonder how much playing in Benetton's system (Bargnani's Euro team) hurt his game and his pre-draft perception. I certainly didn't like him myself. He's been surprising last year after changing teams, or now in the camp --- a much more aggressive, high energy player than he was in Benetton.

He's not going to be pure low post of course, it will be low post, high post and a 20 footer once in a while, like most NBA big men. Even more so if he ends up on a team with Howard or Bynum.
He has some range, and he's a gifted passer, so drawing a defender out once in a while would be smart.

There are some similarities with Bargnani, sure. Range, size, ability to face up, a good handle. But he's just as similar to Pau Gasol and a number of other players. As I said, to me he's the most like Jason Smith of the Hornets, but with a passing ability.

pacer4ever
07-19-2012, 03:20 PM
They also grabbed Aaron Brooks so he will probably be 3rd string there too, but he did really well against a really inexperienced Teague. I think he is NBA quality PG especially seeing what he has done in summer league. I think the Pacers could still offer him a contract if they would like, I mean Augustine is only on a one year deal, would not be that bad of a situation for him to enter into.

No they didn't Brooks signed with the Kings not Rockets.

ballism
07-19-2012, 03:31 PM
I think the Rockets still have Livingston as a backup (but he probably gets traded in any Howard/Bynum trade, so they'd still have a lot of minutes there).

pacer4ever
07-19-2012, 03:40 PM
I think the Rockets still have Livingston as a backup (but he probably gets traded in any Howard/Bynum trade, so they'd still have a lot of minutes there).

I though they were planning to cut him he was on a non-guaranteed deal. Do they plan on keeping him??

The Rockets team will be scary young next year maybe best to keep a vet like him around. I dont see how K-mart is on the roster at the start of the season I think they trade him too.

ballism
07-19-2012, 03:47 PM
i doubt they cut him, it would only save 2.5 mil because he still has 1 mil guarantee.
they probably keep him if they don't use him in a trade.
but it makes the most sense to use him in a trade. They could take back over 5 mil bad salaries from Orlando in exchange. And then Orlando could cut him.

Really?
07-19-2012, 04:28 PM
i don't think that being a foreign guy and staying in Europe for a year is important.

I do think that they like him (they drafted him, after all). But I don't think anyone is 'untouchable' there, if they can get Howard (or Bynum, or however it ends up).

The thing is, if Jones/Lamb etc had any leverage ("I'm offered a much bigger contract in Europe, I'm not going to risk a summer league injury without a contract, make your choice now"), they'd be under contract right now.

If the trade doesn't happen within the next couple of weeks, Motiejunas will be trade eligible and a piece that the Magic are bound to consider.
In fact, his value for the Magic would only increase --- unsigned rookies count as $0 in a trade, while you can take back salaries for Motiejunas.

So if the trade happens now, he probably stays. If not, all bets are off.


why would his size hurt him in the low post, he's 7'1 in shoes. He's very mobile for a guy that big, he has good footwork in the post, and since the '11 draft he seems to be embracing contact and hustling.

It makes me wonder how much playing in Benetton's system (Bargnani's Euro team) hurt his game and his pre-draft perception. I certainly didn't like him myself. He's been surprising last year after changing teams, or now in the camp --- a much more aggressive, high energy player than he was in Benetton.

He's not going to be pure low post of course, it will be low post, high post and a 20 footer once in a while, like most NBA big men. Even more so if he ends up on a team with Howard or Bynum.
He has some range, and he's a gifted passer, so drawing a defender out once in a while would be smart.

There are some similarities with Bargnani, sure. Range, size, ability to face up, a good handle. But he's just as similar to Pau Gasol and a number of other players. As I said, to me he's the most like Jason Smith of the Hornets, but with a passing ability.

Just wrapping these two up, I don't assume anything as far as trade right now, that is like assuming we are not sure Danny will be on, and most of the trade talk with Houston seemed to be surrounded about the guys they got this draft, but your right, no one is untouchable, but I would go into the situation thing there is a good chance he plays with Houston this year.

As far as the other part, it is more about his strength and weight, not height. He is barely 220lbs, he will need to add weight and strength if he wants to do anything on the low post against decent NBA competition in my view. Just for comparison purpose Gasol is like 250, he may get there one day but he will have to get bigger.

Also I liked Dontas a lot coming out of the draft and thought it would have been a good pick up for the Pacers, until Kawhi dropped to us, then I wanted to grab him, but we ended up gettting George, nothing wrong with that either.

ballism
07-19-2012, 04:46 PM
Pretty sure he's not 220 anymore, that's a year ago (he was reported 222-226 in summer '11).
he doesn't look 220 visually, and his weight gets reported ~240 lately. Which is likely, he's been adding at least 10 pounds every year.

Really?
07-19-2012, 08:51 PM
Pretty sure he's not 220 anymore, that's a year ago (he was reported 222-226 in summer '11).
he doesn't look 220 visually, and his weight gets reported ~240 lately. Which is likely, he's been adding at least 10 pounds every year.

Ok, you are in Europe so you have probably seen more than me, I will take your word for it.

ballism
07-20-2012, 01:38 AM
i'm judging more by the summer league. I don't watch the Polish league, so the last game I saw was (I think) his 20+ rebounds Euroleague game in winter.

I've seen 109 kg figure thrown around a few times lately (~242 pounds), which seems believable by the looks of him. He has similar body type to Nikola Vucevic.

Still, he was pushed around a few times in the summer league (although in all fairness, his back was bothering him), so he may need to add a bit more to be at his most effective weight. On the upside, he fights extremely hard for offensive boards, boxes out, dives for every loose ball, and generally he plays pretty feisty, so I bet he will just out hustle some of the heavier guys in the league.

He also reacts/moves in P&R defense well right now, and I don't think he'll ever be a good rim protector, so while adding a ton of weight might help his offense and rebounding a bit, it wouldn't necessarily help his defense overall. Maybe 10 pounds top.

(meh I got nostalgic for Jeff Foster when thinking about this, he does remind of Jeff on defense; an amazing change from who he was in Italy. I think Larry might've considered taking him at 15, if he saw him lately as opposed to Italy)

Really?
07-21-2012, 07:30 PM
Bozemore... I really like this dudes game.

pacer4ever
07-21-2012, 08:38 PM
Still pissed we didn't draft Will Barton again he played like he is 220 this week not 170 dude is strong and plays big. Plus he fit the mold of what we need a guy who can create off the dribble and can shoot. Plumlee pick just gets me madder day after day ugh. I loved the defense he played this week you can really care he wants to defend. I liked OJ after watching him but I still wanted Barton over him I wanted Barton at #26 lol. I just don't get how he fell to #40 gonna make a lot of GMs look silly in a few years. Next year if he would of waited I bet he goes lottery easy I dont blame him for coming out he was more than a 1st rd talent IMO(next years draft is really weak)

If I was Neil Olshey I would try my best to get him to sign a 4 year deal not 2 might be a Landry Fields situation if they only give him a 2 year deal(although Barton is a bit of a project especially compared to a finished product type spect in Fields. Barton has a bunch of untapped potential imo).

Portland might be the team I watch the most next year after the Pacers.


EDIT: Also wouldnt mind signing Malcolm Thomas we need a defender like him out on the wing. I liked watching him at SDSU with Kawhi they were really similar players there actually. They both took turns guarding Jimmer when they played BYU both great defenders and rebounders. I was surprised he went undrafted he was really hurt by the lockout like most rookies last year were really never got a fair shake yet.

He is a perfect fit as a small ball PF or can play some SF even. I just think he fits what we need he is another guy you can throw at LBJ defensively and he is a very good rebounder something Frank Vogel loves. I love how he uses his body to rebound becoming a lost art he doesn't ball watch he finds a man and blocks out just refreshing.



sucks Ramone Moore played bad this week I really liked him and now he likely wont get a shot at the nba this year.

Kemo
07-22-2012, 03:38 AM
Out of all the SL games I have watched on NBAtv over this last week, I came away pretty damn impressed with a little over a handful of players...
Among those would be Josh Selby,Damian Lillard, John Henson, Markieff Morris, Dionte Christmas ..

Josh Selby is gonna be flat-out awesome.

Also. I am really pulling for Adam Morrison. I thoroughly enjoyed watching him in every game he played at Gonzaga and I really looked forward to his NBA career. Unfortunately after his injury after his rookie season, he pretty much went downhill and at that point never really able to bounce back in the very limited few chances he got..
I kept up with him when he had started playing overseas and was impressed with his progression, aggressiveness and drive to get better and win.. Which is why I am loving the fact that he is out there proving himself , not only by playing for the Nets at Orlando summerleague this year, but then even going to play for the Clippers in the Vegas summerleague.. Ammo wants it bad, and I hope that hunger and how good he has been playing, will get him a contract if not for the Clippers, for some other NBA team.. I know I'd like to see him get another chance..

Speed
07-22-2012, 08:40 AM
I know its been said in this thread multiple times, but Liliard is just excellent. I Dvr'd 3 of the summer league games for Portland and he is just captivating to watch. He has beyond 3 type range, court vision, handles, explosiveness.... He's really the whole package. I am just extremely impressed. He will be ROY, imo. I don't know if it will even be close.

Really?
07-22-2012, 09:25 AM
Other than those you guys have mentioned Tobias Harris, Kemba Walker, Kent Bazemore, and Jae Crowder really showed good.

Kemba should be able to be a good PG in for his team, he really knows how to draw in defenders and find the open guy as well as taking good shots, Kent Bazemore played wonderful defense, and ran the court really well, he also shot about 47% and will be a perfect bench give if he makes a team. Jae showed his all around game, getting buckets and boards, it will be interesting to see hoe he does.