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Reginald
07-06-2012, 10:52 AM
Given the choice between the two, they leaned towards Mayo. I guess I agree.

http://www.1070thefan.com/

Unclebuck
07-06-2012, 10:54 AM
I think Mayo is better

pacers74
07-06-2012, 10:58 AM
If we can get Mayo for around 7 mil per year, then it is a no brainer. But if he wants closer to 9 or 10, then I would go with Lee for probably around 4 mil per year.

pacers74
07-06-2012, 11:00 AM
They are talking alot about Hicks, lol.

mrknowname
07-06-2012, 11:02 AM
mayo because of his ballhandling and playmaking

Ace E.Anderson
07-06-2012, 11:02 AM
HICKS GOT A SHOUTOUT!!! Lol

Speed
07-06-2012, 11:04 AM
Only thing that worries me about Mayo is his shooting percentage. I was surprised to see he doesn't turn 25 until November.

Aw Heck
07-06-2012, 11:05 AM
Wells introduced this possibility: There's a concern that Portland may have front-loaded Roy's offer sheet.

Steagles
07-06-2012, 11:06 AM
They are trying to screw Pritchard? Haha never thought of that

Reginald
07-06-2012, 11:07 AM
I shouldn't be listening; Wells is depressing me. He doesn't think Hibbert is worth a max deal, he thinks the Pacers are at best on the fence about giving him the max deal, and what's more he thinks Portland's max offer is just Paul Allen's personal "eff you" to Pritchard.

Kraft
07-06-2012, 11:08 AM
Wells introduced this possibility: There's a concern that Portland may have front-loaded Roy's offer sheet.

This doesn't make any sense.

It's a 'max' contract, as in there's a maximum amount he can be paid each year.

ESutt7
07-06-2012, 11:08 AM
Only thing that worries me about Mayo is his shooting percentage. I was surprised to see he doesn't turn 25 until November.

Yeah his FG% fell off a cliff when coming off the bench. I thought that was weird too. I guess he just didn't adjust to the new coach or to coming off the bench? But the first 2 years as a starter he shot 44-46% from the field and 38% from 3.

I only really watched some of the Memphis playoff games the last 2 seasons, but some have said when coming off the bench they tried to make him into a 3 pt specialist, so maybe that's why he struggled. That's certainly not how we'd use him. And in watching those games, I actually thought he was a good team player and I liked his passing a lot, which I wasn't expecting.

Karlton
07-06-2012, 11:11 AM
Yeah his FG% fell off a cliff when coming off the bench. I thought that was weird too. I guess he just didn't adjust to the new coach or to coming off the bench? But the first 2 years as a starter he shot 44-46% from the field and 38% from 3.

I only really watched some of the Memphis playoff games the last 2 seasons, but some have said when coming off the bench they tried to make him into a 3 pt specialist, so maybe that's why he struggled. That's certainly not how we'd use him. And in watching those games, I actually thought he was a good team player and I liked his passing a lot, which I wasn't expecting.

Maybe he's a rhythm shooter and needs to be on the floor more to shoot better?

Interesting observation though.

imawhat
07-06-2012, 11:12 AM
I think it'd be better for us if the contract is front-loaded.

*astrisk*
07-06-2012, 11:13 AM
This doesn't make any sense.

It's a 'max' contract, as in there's a maximum amount he can be paid each year.

No. Max dollars and years... not per year

PacerGuy
07-06-2012, 11:13 AM
Wells just suggested S&T K.Humphries for Tyler. I'd do that, but cost?

ESutt7
07-06-2012, 11:15 AM
Maybe he's a rhythm shooter and needs to be on the floor more to shoot better?

Interesting observation though.

That could be. I was thinking he just prefers to have the ball in his hands to create a shot, and shoots better off the dribble than as a catch and shoot guy. It may seem like you should be able to play either way, but it's hard to adjust to being a catch and shoot guy when you've been creating off the dribble your whole life. If that's the case, that should be encouraging because that's what he was allowed to do the first 2 seasons, when he was getting 18-19 ppg averages and shooting a better %. That's exactly what we'd be getting him for.

*astrisk*
07-06-2012, 11:16 AM
I think it'd be better for us if the contract is front-loaded.

I agree... We would be best suited to have a front loader for sure. Infact, A front loader might be ideal. Cuz, it would give us a chance to sign guys when PG and Granger come up.

BringJackBack
07-06-2012, 11:17 AM
Grady is a great radio host.

rel
07-06-2012, 11:17 AM
if we could get Hump from NJ...i'd be ecstatic

Ownagedood
07-06-2012, 11:19 AM
I'm having a hard time deciding between the two as well.. Mayo is a bit more talented, but Lee would fit right in immediately and be good for chemistry.. Both would be good adds, Lee is less of a risk, but I would probably go with Mayo, barely.

Speed
07-06-2012, 11:21 AM
Maybe Humphries is who Bruno was eluding to, yesterday....

Pacer Fan
07-06-2012, 11:22 AM
Front load would not be a bad idea in the long run, especially with the new lux tax rates coming in 2 years.

Doddage
07-06-2012, 11:24 AM
Hump would be a good pickup. Not much of a scorer, but you can't deny that rebounding ability.

Speed
07-06-2012, 11:26 AM
13.8 and 11 last year, dang.

graphic-er
07-06-2012, 11:28 AM
This doesn't make any sense.

It's a 'max' contract, as in there's a maximum amount he can be paid each year.

Thats what I thought as well. With Lin and Fields you can do the front loaded or back loaded contract, because all those figures are under the rookie max. LOL some of these radio guys are so amateurish.

Kstat
07-06-2012, 11:29 AM
Brooklyn is already on the hook for $107.5 million in luxury tax penalties over the next 3 years.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/dwight-howard-deal-cost-nets-owner-mikhail-prokhorov-107-5m-years-article-1.1108858

I'm pretty sure they are in "who gives a **** about the luxury tax" mode right now...

Sparhawk
07-06-2012, 11:29 AM
If the Pacers sign Hump, who comes off the bench? West or Hump? I am not sure Hump would like coming off the bench.

Speed
07-06-2012, 11:31 AM
Well, is it Humphries instead of Roy....

pacers74
07-06-2012, 11:34 AM
Sheridan said he is 100% sure the pacers match! I sure hope he is right.

ejwallace
07-06-2012, 11:35 AM
Sheridan said he is 100% sure the pacers match! I sure hope he is right.

And a 4yr deal with only 4% raises instead of a 5yr deal at 7.5% raises....

BringJackBack
07-06-2012, 11:35 AM
Sheridan makes me feel soooo much better about Roy...

pacers74
07-06-2012, 11:36 AM
He also said it is better to get Roy for a little more than Kamen for a few mil less. I agree.

He also thinks OJ is not a good fit for us.

indyman37
07-06-2012, 11:36 AM
But what would we have to give up to get Humphries in the S&T that Wells mentioned?

pacers74
07-06-2012, 11:39 AM
I hate the highs and lows of this. First Wells has me thinking we won't match Portland, then Sheridan says we will. I wish the Pacers front office would come out with a statement, but that won't happen.

*astrisk*
07-06-2012, 11:44 AM
Brooklyn is already on the hook for $107.5 million in luxury tax penalties over the next 3 years.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/dwight-howard-deal-cost-nets-owner-mikhail-prokhorov-107-5m-years-article-1.1108858

I'm pretty sure they are in "who gives a **** about the luxury tax" mode right now...

Which is why a backloaded contract is the scary thing you would worry about as a Pacers fan wanting to keep Roy. A poison pill in year 4 would be impossible for to match, while not so bad for a top 30 richest man on the planet in Paul Allen.

Good point KStat

pacers74
07-06-2012, 11:44 AM
If we S&T Tyler for Humphries with Humphries signing for around 8 mil per year it would eat up a lot of cap space. It might mean no Mayo, but Lee could still be a possibility.

Reginald
07-06-2012, 11:45 AM
Sheridan makes me feel soooo much better about Roy...

Yeah, Sheridan was almost dismissive in even debating it. He just thinks the Pacers are going to do it.

*astrisk*
07-06-2012, 11:48 AM
I hate the highs and lows of this. First Wells has me thinking we won't match Portland, then Sheridan says we will. I wish the Pacers front office would come out with a statement, but that won't happen.

That's the problem with beat writers... They get the company hard-line stance more than anyone.

PacerGuy
07-06-2012, 11:48 AM
If we S&T Tyler for Humphries with Humphries signing for around 8 mil per year it would eat up a lot of cap space. It might mean no Mayo, but Lee could still be a possibility.

If you S&T Tyler & D.Jones you move almost 6m, so if you sign him @ a contract starting @ 8m you only add 2m. Sign Mayo (7m) & sign Hamilton (summer league) as a b/u PG.

Speed
07-06-2012, 11:49 AM
Wait wheres the Sheridan stuff from, was it his opinion or from a source?

daschysta
07-06-2012, 11:52 AM
Hopefully the Pacers are playing chicken, and actually have intended to sign Roy the whole time, and are just waiting to see what the situation is between Hibbert and Batum. It would break my heart if we don't bring Roy back. Even if he's just at the same level as last year a contract averaging out to what his max is (especially given we're matching 4 years with lower annual raises) he would only be a few million overpaid a year, and I honestly believe he can play his way into earning it, he's improved every season, is the heart of the team if David West is the muscle, and our most important player.

Without him we're mediocre again, with him we're potentially second best in the conference and a dark horse contending team if Paul George takes a leap and we sign or trade for 1 more pretty good player, whether that is a stronger backup big man, a microwave scorer more consistant than Barbosa off of the bench (Lee? Mayo?) or a point guard (likely a trade given how many people already have made commitments).

People that are acting like the world would be over if we resign our guys and strengthen our bench are missing the point, our starting lineup was already elite last year statistically, as in, on par or better than almost any lineup from any team in the entire NBA, our bench bled, which is why we weren't even better. Shoring up the bench with guys who will actually hold the fort instead of letting the other team back in the game will likely improve us more than adding anything other than a legit superstar to our starting lineup. THEY already have talent in that starting 5, with Hibbert earning the title of All-Star, and David West and Danny Granger playing like they deserved another All-Star berth down the stretch, especially Danny, who was playing Career ball post-ASB before getting injured in Philly, which he never seemed to bounce back from 100% or in the playoffs. If he doesn't get off to one of his patented Rusty starts the Pacers could have 2 all-stars next year (assuming we resign Hibbert).

If the choice is between a few million overpay and remaining near or at the top of the conference, and saving cash by not signing him, or saving a few million signing someone much worse (Kaman, Asik, Humphries, or anyone we've talked about seriously) Then the choice is clear. I don't believe that Simon has any problem resigning Roy, he stated that our top priority was getting our Free Agents back, and we gave Hill, who is much less important than Hibbert a nice deal. I choose to believe that they are committed to signing Hibbert, but when it came down to paying the MAX we could offer, vs. the significantly lower MAX offer that anyone else can offer him, we're choosing to match instead of extending our full 5 years with higher annual raises, and I think in the end it will end up being a smart move, we'll get Roy, and we'll pay less for him than maybe we could have.

BONUS if Portland ends up having to back out because they can't extend an offer to Roy and sign Batum. Most of our splashes will probably be made through trades anyhow, it's what the Pacers have always done, and it is what Pritchard, in addition to the draft, is most known for. It makes sense that if trades are the direction we are going in then we would need to wait until the Roy situation plays out.

BringJackBack
07-06-2012, 11:52 AM
If we S&T Tyler for Humphries with Humphries signing for around 8 mil per year it would eat up a lot of cap space. It might mean no Mayo, but Lee could still be a possibility.

If we signed and traded Hansbrough for Humphries, and he started at 8 mil, it'd leave us with 6 million to spend (11-8+3 from Han's contract). If we could dump Dahntay and trade Collison for a pick from Houston. We could then dump about 5 more, leaving us 11 million to spend. Sign OJ for 6-8 million, and see if we can get a player back from Houston such as Royce White, Marcus Morris, or Patrick Patterson.

Hill/Mayo (Yikes)/AJ
George/Mayo/Lance or Mayo/George/Lance
Granger/George/Johnson
West/Humphries/Player from Houston
Hibbert/Humphries/Plumlee

Boom. Plus we have what would likely be a lottery pick from Houston, and our own.

CableKC
07-06-2012, 11:53 AM
If we can get Mayo for around 7 mil per year, then it is a no brainer. But if he wants closer to 9 or 10, then I would go with Lee for probably around 4 mil per year.
My guess is that Mayo will ask for and get $8 to 9 mil a year. DW / KP will then turn around and pay him that just to offset not paying Hibbert.

OlBlu
07-06-2012, 11:59 AM
Hopefully the Pacers are playing chicken, and actually have intended to sign Roy the whole time, and are just waiting to see what the situation is between Hibbert and Batum. It would break my heart if we don't bring Roy back. Even if he's just at the same level as last year a contract averaging out to what his max is (especially given we're matching 4 years with lower annual raises) he would only be a few million overpaid a year, and I honestly believe he can play his way into earning it, he's improved every season, is the heart of the team if David West is the muscle, and our most important player.

Without him we're mediocre again, with him we're potentially second best in the conference and a dark horse contending team if Paul George takes a leap and we sign or trade for 1 more pretty good player, whether that is a stronger backup big man, a microwave scorer more consistant than Barbosa off of the bench (Lee? Mayo?) or a point guard (likely a trade given how many people already have made commitments).

People that are acting like the world would be over if we resign our guys and strengthen our bench are missing the point, our starting lineup was already elite last year statistically, as in, on par or better than almost any lineup from any team in the entire NBA, our bench bled, which is why we weren't even better. Shoring up the bench with guys who will actually hold the fort instead of letting the other team back in the game will likely improve us more than adding anything other than a legit superstar to our starting lineup. THEY already have talent in that starting 5, with Hibbert earning the title of All-Star, and David West and Danny Granger playing like they deserved another All-Star berth down the stretch, especially Danny, who was playing Career ball post-ASB before getting injured in Philly, which he never seemed to bounce back from 100% or in the playoffs. If he doesn't get off to one of his patented Rusty starts the Pacers could have 2 all-stars next year (assuming we resign Hibbert).

If the choice is between a few million overpay and remaining near or at the top of the conference, and saving cash by not signing him, or saving a few million signing someone much worse (Kaman, Asik, Humphries, or anyone we've talked about seriously) Then the choice is clear. I don't believe that Simon has any problem resigning Roy, he stated that our top priority was getting our Free Agents back, and we gave Hill, who is much less important than Hibbert a nice deal. I choose to believe that they are committed to signing Hibbert, but when it came down to paying the MAX we could offer, vs. the significantly lower MAX offer that anyone else can offer him, we're choosing to match instead of extending our full 5 years with higher annual raises, and I think in the end it will end up being a smart move, we'll get Roy, and we'll pay less for him than maybe we could have.

BONUS if Portland ends up having to back out because they can't extend an offer to Roy and sign Batum. Most of our splashes will probably be made through trades anyhow, it's what the Pacers have always done, and it is what Pritchard, in addition to the draft, is most known for. It makes sense that if trades are the direction we are going in then we would need to wait until the Roy situation plays out.

Prichard hates Allen and I expect them to keep Portland waiting until the last minute just to keep them from making other moves and then match for Hibbert. I would think that Allen anticipates this too.....:cool:

P_George
07-06-2012, 12:04 PM
Hmm... Humphries in a S&T to get rid of Tyler? Yes, please! And possibly Mayo!?!

This lineup is sick:

PG: Hill
SG: George
SF: Granger
PF: West
C: Hibbert


With a bench consisting of Humphries, Collison, Mayo, Plumlee, Jones? That's an elite bench. Humphries was a 13/11 guy last year and a double-double guy the year prior. I'd actually rather him start over West because we could pair West's lowpost game up with Mayo's outside scoring to allow our bench to be more effective offensively. Either way, both are very good players and could push us over the hump as a contender.

Kegboy
07-06-2012, 12:07 PM
Sheridan said he is 100% sure the pacers match! I sure hope he is right.

The problem with that is as I recall, Sheridan was 100% sure we weren't going to miss any games to the lockout.

ESutt7
07-06-2012, 12:07 PM
He also said it is better to get Roy for a little more than Kamen for a few mil less. I agree.

He also thinks OJ is not a good fit for us.

Did he expand on why he doesn't think OJ is a good fit?

Pacer Fan
07-06-2012, 12:08 PM
13.8 and 11 last year, dang.

Somebody had to do it. Kinda like Reggie Evans last year. A situationlike that can make a guy get overrated.

Speed
07-06-2012, 12:10 PM
Can someone put Sheridans comments in context, also the deal about Humphries by Wells, were both of these what they were wildly speculating that they thought should happen, was any of it based in actual info?

graphic-er
07-06-2012, 12:12 PM
I would call this off season a huge success if we were to retain Hibbert and bring in Mayo + Hump. Hump is a very versatile player.

Ownagedood
07-06-2012, 12:13 PM
If you S&T Tyler & D.Jones you move almost 6m, so if you sign him @ a contract starting @ 8m you only add 2m. Sign Mayo (7m) & sign Hamilton (summer league) as a b/u PG.

Actually we could do that but we should sign someone other than a Pg after mayo.. We have enough depth there already because we haven't traded DC. If we retain Hibbert we could use a better backup C or another SF piece.

Hill/DC/Lance
PG/Mayo/O. Johnson
Granger/Mayo/PG
West/Humphries/Plumlee
Hibbert/Plumlee/Pendergraph

Speed
07-06-2012, 12:13 PM
Also to put all of the talk into perspective, you can sign GHill, Mayo, pick up Humphries, THEN match Roy going over the salary cap, but beneath the luxury tax limit.... is this correct in how I'm thinking about it.

P_George
07-06-2012, 12:14 PM
Somebody had to do it. Kinda like Reggie Evans last year. A situationlike that can make a guy get overrated.

These are the first two seasons in his career he has gotten solid minutes. 27.9MPG last year(10PPG, 10.4RPG) and 34.9MPG this year(13.8PPG, 11 RPG). He's a very good hustle guy, decent defender overall, great rebounder, and can score when need be. He's a player any team could use off the bench and could start for a lot of teams.

BrownBearCoffee
07-06-2012, 12:20 PM
Also to put all of the talk into perspective, you can sign GHill, Mayo, pick up Humphries, THEN match Roy going over the salary cap, but beneath the luxury tax limit.... is this correct in how I'm thinking about it.

It fully depends on what you are paying for Humphries and Mayo. Together, they may take us over the cap, pending salary, which cannot be done. But in theory-if the numbers work-you are right.

Speed
07-06-2012, 12:23 PM
I thought Hump was handful for Hansbrough,DWest and Roy last year. He killed DWest with that little 17 foot high post/wing shot, then he'd pump fake him and drive by and dunk. He outmuscled Hansbrough pretty easily. Roy was tougher for him, but he could still get his shot off away from the basket on him. He's a player, I'm usually weary of good players on bad teams, but he's legit, imo. I think he's underated cuz of the whole Hollywood tv thing. I believe his teammates called him Hulk, so ya, there's that.

Pacergeek
07-06-2012, 12:33 PM
Humphries can play. Don't let the whole Kardashian nonsense affect your opinion of Kris

*astrisk*
07-06-2012, 12:33 PM
It fully depends on what you are paying for Humphries and Mayo. Together, they may take us over the cap, pending salary, which cannot be done. But in theory-if the numbers work-you are right.

I would do this for ONLY 2 reasons , we are re-signing Hibbert and 2 because we believe they both will start for us in 2 years.

Signing them would eat up our space for the foreseeable future. It is going to take atleast 3-4 year deals for those guys and guarantee that we are probably NOT going to re-sign West next year or Granger after that...

In a small market you don't sign 7-8 million dollar guys to sit on your bench long...

BrownBearCoffee
07-06-2012, 12:37 PM
I would do this for ONLY 2 reasons , we are re-signing Hibbert and 2 because we believe they both will start for us in 2 years.

Signing them would eat up our space for the foreseeable future. It is going to take atleast 3-4 year deals for those guys and guarantee that we are probably NOT going to re-sign West next year or Granger after that...

In a small market you don't sign 7-8 million dollar guys to sit on your bench long...

Which is entirely possible. Humphries is the perfect power forward to complement the skills of Hibbert. If Mayo returned to the player he was his first 2 years, he would be perfect alongside George, when he is moved to the 3. Contract length is also a huge consideration.

*astrisk*
07-06-2012, 12:42 PM
Which is entirely possible. Humphries is the perfect power forward to complement the skills of Hibbert. If Mayo returned to the player he was his first 2 years, he would be perfect alongside George, when he is moved to the 3. Contract length is also a huge consideration.

Not disagreeing, just making that observation. If that is what the FO believes, than that is Not a Bad way to handle your off-season, this year...

Might be a bargain.

troyc11a
07-06-2012, 12:43 PM
There is a reason nobody seems to like Humphries. He has bounced around from team to team for a reason. Pass on him.

ejwallace
07-06-2012, 12:46 PM
Also to put all of the talk into perspective, you can sign GHill, Mayo, pick up Humphries, THEN match Roy going over the salary cap, but beneath the luxury tax limit.... is this correct in how I'm thinking about it.

I also believe that we could hold off on signing GHill as long as possible, leaving his cap hold at just 3.1M, giving us a little more wiggle room.....Then we can resign him using Bird rights due to the ruling that now allows Bird rights to be transfered with the player when traded....

Correct me if I am wrong

Speed
07-06-2012, 12:46 PM
There is a reason nobody seems to like Humphries. He has bounced around from team to team for a reason. Pass on him.

Why, though? Is his defense poor, I'm trying to figure it out. I think I remember hearing he's a good lockeroom guy, too. I don't know why, he's not more sought after, honestly.

BrownBearCoffee
07-06-2012, 12:46 PM
Not disagreeing, just making that observation. If that is what the FO believes, than that is Not a Bad way to handle your off-season, this year...

Might be a bargain.

Very possibly. Bargain shopping is so important for small market teams.

Speed
07-06-2012, 12:47 PM
I also believe that we could hold off on signing GHill as long as possible, leaving his cap hold at just 3.1M, giving us a little more wiggle room.....Then we can resign him using Bird rights due to the ruling that now allows Bird rights to be transfered with the player when traded....

Correct me if I am wrong

Ya, I don't know why, if you wait, they can't count the higher amount, yet. Its a good point.

Gamble1
07-06-2012, 12:51 PM
Why, though? Is his defense poor, I'm trying to figure it out. I think I remember hearing he's a good lockeroom guy, too. I don't know why, he's not more sought after, honestly.

I think 5 teams are interested in him but he also is rumored to want a multi year deal worth 10 million.

troyc11a
07-06-2012, 12:54 PM
Why, though? Is his defense poor, I'm trying to figure it out. I think I remember hearing he's a good lockeroom guy, too. I don't know why, he's not more sought after, honestly.

I seen not to long ago how the Kansas team went to Bill Self and pretty much demanded that he not recruit that "jerk"!

xIndyFan
07-06-2012, 01:00 PM
IIRC, the max contract is based on a max salary for the first year. Roy's max salary for next year is the 25% or $13.6M. The raises are based on that so the total is $58M. The total is not the max number. The first year's salary is the max number. That means there is no way to front load the contract. That would require the Blazers to pay Roy more than the max salary he is due. Wells is an idiot.

*astrisk*
07-06-2012, 01:34 PM
Why, though? Is his defense poor, I'm trying to figure it out. I think I remember hearing he's a good lockeroom guy, too. I don't know why, he's not more sought after, honestly.

Kris Humphries is a dedicated player. This I know for a fact. I watched the Kardasians... he would rather be in Minnesota working on his game than tagging Kims phat a**... That, my friend is heart and dedication to your craft...

Steagles
07-06-2012, 02:13 PM
Kris Humphries is a dedicated player. This I know for a fact. I watched the Kardasians... he would rather be in Minnesota working on his game than tagging Kims phat a**... That, my friend is heart and dedication to your craft...

I think since he's not married to her anymore he'd be more focused on basketball. And of all distractions off the court, seems to me she and her sisters would be the worst (see Odom).

Justin Tyme
07-06-2012, 07:34 PM
Wells just suggested S&T K.Humphries for Tyler. I'd do that, but cost?



In a heartbeat if the money was right.

Justin Tyme
07-06-2012, 07:41 PM
13.8 and 11 last year, dang.



That's better than Roy. Move DWest to Center and Humphries plays PF. Then find another Big to share the Center minutes with DWest.

If only Camby would consider the Pacers. Not sure there would be enough cap for Humphries, Camby, plus Mayo. The Pacers frontcourt would be set with rebing and "D".

Justin Tyme
07-06-2012, 07:50 PM
If we signed and traded Hansbrough for Humphries, and he started at 8 mil, it'd leave us with 6 million to spend (11-8+3 from Han's contract). If we could dump Dahntay and trade Collison for a pick from Houston. We could then dump about 5 more, leaving us 11 million to spend. Sign OJ for 6-8 million, and see if we can get a player back from Houston such as Royce White, Marcus Morris, or Patrick Patterson.

Hill/Mayo (Yikes)/AJ
George/Mayo/Lance or Mayo/George/Lance
Granger/George/Johnson
West/Humphries/Player from Houston
Hibbert/Humphries/Plumlee

Boom. Plus we have what would likely be a lottery pick from Houston, and our own.



Correct me if I'm wrong, but Humphries is a PF who doesn't play Center.

I also don't see Orlando being able to be a SF.

pezasied182
07-06-2012, 07:57 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Humphries is a PF who doesn't play Center.

I also don't see Orlando being able to be a SF.

Humphries is similar in height and weight to West, I'm sure you could use him at center for stretches against certain teams, but maybe not as your primary backup. I have no idea if he's ever played center before though.

1984
07-06-2012, 09:41 PM
My opinion? Mayo has immense talent. However, Mayo needs the ball to be a factor. Lee on the other hand can contribute with or without the ball. I chose Lee.

Sandman21
07-06-2012, 09:47 PM
The problem with that is as I recall, Sheridan was 100% sure we weren't going to miss any games to the lockout.

If the owners and players weren't so damn hard-headed fools, he'd have been right. There was no reason the lockout should have gone as long as it did.

PGisthefuture
07-07-2012, 01:06 AM
Just listened to the Sheridan podcast and feel better about Roy. I think he will be back. I have to say that I disagree with him about Mayo though.

PGisthefuture
07-07-2012, 01:09 AM
The problem with that is as I recall, Sheridan was 100% sure we weren't going to miss any games to the lockout.

Every member of the media in sports gets things wrong every now and then. I'm sure Mike Wells has got plenty of things wrong in the past, but everyone is basing their predictions off of what he has said. Heck, Sheridan predicted Allen was going to the Heat and he did, does that mean we should now believe every prediction he makes?

Pacerfan
07-07-2012, 01:19 AM
Could the Pacers have reached an agreement with O.J. and asked him to keep quiet about it so it doesn't effect their negotiations with Roy? It would be pretty obvious we want to most likely keep Roy if OJ is signed because it would be hard to bring in another good big man with whatever money we have left.

I really wish there was some way we could get O.J. Mayo and Kaman but that's not likely to happen. Looks like we might have to work some of our positions out with trades.

PGisthefuture
07-07-2012, 01:24 AM
Could the Pacers have reached an agreement with O.J. and asked him to keep quiet about it so it doesn't effect their negotiations with Roy? It would be pretty obvious we want to most likely keep Roy if OJ is signed because it would be hard to bring in another good big man with whatever money we have left.

I really wish there was some way we could get O.J. Mayo and Kaman but that's not likely to happen. Looks like we might have to work some of our positions out with trades.

You kinda have to wonder if something like that is going on. I mean, I have heard zero rumors about Mayo going anywhere or talking to any teams other than the Pacers. Also, maybe our front office is just doing this so Portland loses out on free agents and returns the favor of what Paul Allen is trying to do to us. It would be hilarious if Portland ended up with no significant free agents and we re-sign Roy and get Mayo.

cdash
07-07-2012, 02:06 AM
I would call this off season a huge success if we were to retain Hibbert and bring in Mayo + Hump. Hump is a very versatile player.

While I agree with your overall message...how is Kris Humphries versatile? He can only play one position and is really only above average at rebounding.

CableKC
07-07-2012, 04:35 AM
I would call this off season a huge success if we were to retain Hibbert and bring in Mayo + Hump. Hump is a very versatile player.
do we even have the capspace to sign both OJ and Humphries? Both are going to command at least $8 mil each.

Kegboy
07-07-2012, 08:17 AM
Every member of the media in sports gets things wrong every now and then. I'm sure Mike Wells has got plenty of things wrong in the past, but everyone is basing their predictions off of what he has said. Heck, Sheridan predicted Allen was going to the Heat and he did, does that mean we should now believe every prediction he makes?

There's a difference between making a prediction and a promise. IMO no journalist should be so definitive in their speculation.

ESutt7
07-07-2012, 08:44 AM
Just listened to the Sheridan podcast and feel better about Roy. I think he will be back. I have to say that I disagree with him about Mayo though.

What was his take on Mayo? Why didn't he think Mayo was a good fit?

PGisthefuture
07-07-2012, 08:54 AM
What was his take on Mayo? Why didn't he think Mayo was a good fit?

That he hasn't been a good player in the NBA basically. That isn't completely off, but it seems like he didn't get much time to prove himself.

graphic-er
07-07-2012, 10:39 AM
Could the Pacers have reached an agreement with O.J. and asked him to keep quiet about it so it doesn't effect their negotiations with Roy? It would be pretty obvious we want to most likely keep Roy if OJ is signed because it would be hard to bring in another good big man with whatever money we have left.

I really wish there was some way we could get O.J. Mayo and Kaman but that's not likely to happen. Looks like we might have to work some of our positions out with trades.

But we really don't even have any negotiations with Roy. There is nothing to be negotiated. At this point, if Roy wants to play in Portland like he said, then there is no possibility of a sign and trade.