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90'sNBARocked
07-05-2012, 06:38 PM
http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2012/07/04/indiana-pacers-offseason-moves-analysis/


UNDER CONTRACT: F Danny Granger, F David West, G George Hill, F T yler Hansbrough, G Dahntay Jones, G-F Paul George, G Darren Collison, G Lance Stephenson, F Jeff Pendergraph

DRAFT PICKS: F Miles Plumlee

FREE AGENTS: C Roy Hibbert (R), G A.J. Price (R), F Louis Amundson, G Leandro Barbosa, C Kyrylo Fesenko

MOVES: The Pacers had two of the more desirable restricted free agents, and it will cost them significant salary cap space to keep them both. Indiana was much more aggressive on George Hill, refusing to let him get to the open market by offering a five-year, $40 million deal. Thatís a lot of money for someone who was a third guard six months ago, but late in the season Hill became the starter over Darren Collison, who enters a put-up-or-shut-up final year on his deal. The Pacers chose to let the market be established for Roy Hibbert, and Portland offered him the maximum $58 million over four years, giving Indiana a tough decision.

TO-DO LIST: You would think the Pacers are keeping Hibbert after his impactful postseason. However, consider that last season, Hill and Hibbert cost Indiana less than $7 million. If the Pacers keep both players, the first year of their new contracts will cost more than $20 million. That is why they probably will not aggressively pursue Leandro Barbosa and allow his $7 million to come off their cap. Louis Amundson can (and should) be retained on the cheap. Indiana may have enough wiggle room to pursue a shooter with its remaining cap room or one of its exceptions. Possible targets are O.J. Mayo, Courtney Lee, Nick Young, Michael Redd. They also could forsake the shooting for a wing stopper to help them against Miami.

PROJECTION: Until the Nets establish who and what they are and the Bulls get back Derrick Rose, this is perhaps the second-best team in the Eastern Conference. Right now, the Pacers donít quite have enough to overtake Miami and would take a huge step backward if they allowed Hibbert to get away.

OlBlu
07-05-2012, 06:44 PM
http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2012/07/04/indiana-pacers-offseason-moves-analysis/

I love the Pacers but second best team in the Eastern Conference? Miami, Boston, Chicago (even without Rose), Brooklyn and then the Pacers or Philly I would guess..... Philly hasn't made any free agent moves have they? :cool:

Ozwalt72
07-05-2012, 06:48 PM
Boston keeps getting older and Chicago was beat by Philly without Rose. Brooklyn has a lot to prove as well. It's not a stretch to say the team with the 3rd best record last year could be the 2nd best team next year, assuming they retain their key pieces and upgrade the bench.

ksuttonjr76
07-05-2012, 06:54 PM
Boston keeps getting older and Chicago was beat by Philly without Rose. Brooklyn has a lot to prove as well. It's not a stretch to say the team with the 3rd best record last year could be the 2nd best team next year, assuming they retain their key pieces and upgrade the bench.

Hence, the reason why everyone is so upset that Indiana hasn't made any other moves besides resigning Hill.

Ozwalt72
07-05-2012, 06:58 PM
Hence, the reason why everyone is so upset that Indiana hasn't made any other moves besides resigning Hill.

Then everyone should quit crying like *****es. EDIT (Not supposed to be as confrontational as it sounds...don't take it too seriously)There's still a long offseason to go through. A lot of potential trades out there. It's July 5th, why are people acting like the games start tomorrow?

Peck
07-05-2012, 06:58 PM
Boston keeps getting older and Chicago was beat by Philly without Rose. Brooklyn has a lot to prove as well. It's not a stretch to say the team with the 3rd best record last year could be the 2nd best team next year, assuming they retain their key pieces and upgrade the bench.

That's the key though, IF we retain. We let Roy walk and don't get anything other than whatever poo we can get to sign on the cheap along with Lou & Miles (snicker) then I could easily see us taking more than just a step back.

That is the real problem for me right now, I see all of these teams in the East getting more & more talent and right now we are doing nothing. I realize that it is early and there is no reason to panic but its just hard to read and see all of the top name free agents already off of the books and then to think Roy will leave.

I like West I really do, on offense he is great. But defensively Roy made up for a lot of his sins.

Ozwalt72
07-05-2012, 06:59 PM
That's the key though, IF we retain. We let Roy walk and don't get anything other than whatever poo we can get to sign on the cheap along with Lou & Miles (snicker) then I could easily see us taking more than just a step back.

That is the real problem for me right now, I see all of these teams in the East getting more & more talent and right now we are doing nothing. I realize that it is early and there is no reason to panic but its just hard to read and see all of the top name free agents already off of the books and then to think Roy will leave.

I like West I really do, on offense he is great. But defensively Roy made up for a lot of his sins.

Oh, believe me, I agree. I'm assuming we keep Hibbert, regardless of the BS we're hearing right now. If we don't....our talent level drops and really our entire team identity changes.

ksuttonjr76
07-05-2012, 07:08 PM
Then everyone should quit crying like *****es. There's still a long offseason to go through. A lot of potential trades out there. It's July 5th, why are people acting like the games start tomorrow?

That's wrong. There is NO "long" offseason for Indiana. July 14th is our drop dead date where we decide if Roy walks or stay. If he walks, then what trades can Indiana POSSIBLY make without gutting the team and to keep us in the playoffs? The Eastern conference is getting stronger and stronger, and Indiana is barely making moves.

Ozwalt72
07-05-2012, 07:11 PM
July 14th is our drop dead date where we decide if Roy walks or stay. If he walks, then what trades can Indiana POSSIBLY make without gutting the team and to keep us in the playoffs? The Eastern conference is getting stronger and stronger, and Indiana is barely making moves.

I agree. But I don't think Roy leaves, and until it's official...I think everything we're hearing is just posturing. The fact that we're not seemingly making any moves right now imo only makes it more likely that Roy comes back.

Mourning
07-05-2012, 07:20 PM
That's wrong. There is NO "long" offseason for Indiana. July 14th is our drop dead date where we decide if Roy walks or stay. If he walks, then what trades can Indiana POSSIBLY make without gutting the team and to keep us in the playoffs? The Eastern conference is getting stronger and stronger, and Indiana is barely making moves.

Except for overpaying a IMHO non crucial comboguard, while potentially letting the crucial RFA leave. We are not there (yet), but the sounds from outside the Pacers aren't encouraging to put it mildly.

Larry Staverman
07-05-2012, 07:48 PM
Bottom line this off season is going to boil down to Hibbert. If we match it will be successful because we definitely will improve the bench scoring at some point. If we don't match there really isn't another successful combination of free agents that will improve the team so the only other way to improve would be a major trade.

I said before this started that if Hibbert got a max offer we were screwed either way. After thinking it through you have to match to protect the asset unless Portland is willing to give up some worthy assets in an S & T if you decide you can't live with the contract.

If Portland won't do a S & T and in a year or two the Pacers decide to dump the contract you can always find someone to trade for a competent center.

Justin Tyme
07-05-2012, 09:06 PM
I've never been a big fan of getting FA. I feel the best way to build is thru trades and the draft. After saying that, I feel Bird dropped the ball in the last 2 drafts. I know many think Bird did fine with trading for Hill. No one is going to convince me paying 7 or 8 mil for the next 4 years to Hill while Leonard is on rookie contract was a good trade. Not to mention Leonard is a starter for the Spurs. That's an extra 5-6 mil per year just so Bird could have his fascination of Hill quenched. Sad part is Hill isn't even the PG the Pacers needed. He's a bench playing combo guard plain and simple. How in heaven does the FO think Hill is the answer as the future PG that will take the Pacers to the promise land? What's pathetic is the Spurs replaced Hill with a #46 pick and a non-drafted player.

What really frosts me about the Plumlee pick was there was better players still available. Olando Johnson was a better pick, and he was a 2nd rd player. "IF" there hadn't been, it would be a different story, but there was.

The Pacers just need to let the FA's get overpaid and strengthen the team thru trades. Plumlee, Hans, and Pendergraph aren't the answer to backup the Center and PF spots. The Pacers need to address the BIGS situation if they plan on getting into the ECF next season, and I don't mean with Lou and Solo type players either.

rm1369
07-05-2012, 09:19 PM
I've never been a big fan of getting FA. I feel the best way to build is thru trades and the draft. After saying that, I feel Bird dropped the ball in the last 2 drafts. I know many think Bird did fine with trading for Hill. No one is going to convince me paying 7 or 8 mil for the next 4 years to Hill while Leonard is on rookie contract was a good trade. Not to mention Leonard is a starter for the Spurs. That's an extra 5-6 mil per year just so Bird could have his fascination of Hill quenched. Sad part is Hill isn't even the PG the Pacers needed. He's a bench playing combo guard plain and simple. How in heaven does the FO think Hill is the answer as the future PG that will take the Pacers to the promise land? What's pathetic is the Spurs replaced Hill with a #46 pick and a non-drafted player.

What really frosts me about the Plumlee pick was there was better players still available. Olando Johnson was a better pick, and he was a 2nd rd player. "IF" there hadn't been, it would be a different story, but there was.

The Pacers just need to let the FA's get overpaid and strengthen the team thru trades. Plumlee, Hans, and Pendergraph aren't the answer to backup the Center and PF spots. The Pacers need to address the BIGS situation if they plan on getting into the ECF next season, and I don't mean with Lou and Solo type players either.

In general I agree with you about free agency, trades, and the draft. I'd argue that the Pacers have missed on 3 of the last 4 drafts - I can't consider Hans anything but a failure. The problem with trying to build thru trades with the pacers drafting philosophy is that you don't have many assets to trade. Hans isnt going to bring you anything. That's one thing about drafting on potential - it doesn't expire as quickly. Meaning when hansbrough sucks after 2 years he's done, he just sucks. If a Jrue Holiday or PJ3 sucked after two years there is still someone in the league intrigued by what they could become. That's not to say they had great value, but their value expires slower. And, most importantly, if they show some promise their value increases exponentially. The pacers have few chips to make significant changes because they've played it safe to often.

Jon Theodore
07-05-2012, 09:38 PM
Pacers are playing their cards perfectly so far. George Hill is a great value for his contract, much rather have G Hill than Lin, Lowry, Dragic, etc. George is a baller who can play two positions, has good chemistry with our core, and actually wants to play here.....end of story.

Regarding Plumee....others have said it, but there is no way we could have signed a back up big man cheaper than we have signed Plumlee. Regardless of what everyone thinks he can or can't do...we will all have to wait and see. Amundson will certainly get a bigger contract than Plumlee's rookie contract. Is assuming Plumlee could produce at a level close to Amundson absurd...I don't think so.....Unlikely maybe...but it's not that far of a stretch.

If we don't sign Roy...then yes it is time to panic. Right now, it is not time to panic. A lot of smoke screens and posturing coming from the media.

littlerichard54
07-05-2012, 10:24 PM
With Brandon Roy heading to Minnesota, things are getting slim.

ksuttonjr76
07-05-2012, 10:58 PM
With Brandon Roy heading to Minnesota, things are getting slim.

Pretty much.

Hypnotiq
07-05-2012, 11:00 PM
With Brandon Roy heading to Minnesota, things are getting slim.

at this rate Barbosa will be back :cry:

Justin Tyme
07-06-2012, 10:15 AM
Pacers are playing their cards perfectly so far. George Hill is a great value for his contract, much rather have G Hill than Lin, Lowry, Dragic, etc. George is a baller who can play two positions, has good chemistry with our core, and actually wants to play here.....end of story.

Regarding Plumee....others have said it, but there is no way we could have signed a back up big man cheaper than we have signed Plumlee. Regardless of what everyone thinks he can or can't do...we will all have to wait and see. Amundson will certainly get a bigger contract than Plumlee's rookie contract. Is assuming Plumlee could produce at a level close to Amundson absurd...I don't think so.....Unlikely maybe...but it's not that far of a stretch.

If we don't sign Roy...then yes it is time to panic. Right now, it is not time to panic. A lot of smoke screens and posturing coming from the media.



Sorry, Hill isn't a better PG value than Lowry. That's just absurd. Hill is nothing more than a combo guard who got the starting PG position thru Collison's injury. People gloss over how Hill got the starters job like he had it from day one. The 50 plus games DC started begs to differ.

It's just great, wonderful, fantastic, or whatever that Hill can play SG too, so can Hinrich at a cheaper cost. The fact is the Pacers don't need Hilll playing SG. Pacers are looking for a scoring SG now, so Hill the SG isn't necessary. What was necessary was getting a quality PG not paying 7-8 mil a year for "5" years for a combo guard who doesn't have true PG skills.

Brad8888
07-06-2012, 10:16 AM
Everything hinges on what the Pacers decide on Hibbert.

If the Pacers sign Hibbert, which I believe will happen despite the posturing, I think other moves will probably follow to get some rentals for some of our relatively young talent, and we can only hope that we see some Pritch slaps. Then, the Pacers will have a real advantage next offseason

If the Pacers make no further moves this offseason and let Hibbert go, they are likely positioning themselves to be THE premier player for the next offseason for the big push to elite status through trades and free agency when the huge salary dumps are more likely to happen.

Unclebuck
07-06-2012, 10:18 AM
I'll repeat I fully expect the Pacers to keep Roy. I'd be shocked if we don't

Kstat
07-06-2012, 10:21 AM
Everything hinges on what the Pacers decide on Hibbert.

If the Pacers sign Hibbert, which I believe will happen despite the posturing, I think other moves will probably follow to get some rentals for some of our relatively young talent, and we can only hope that we see some Pritch slaps. Then, the Pacers will have a real advantage next offseason

If the Pacers make no further moves this offseason and let Hibbert go, they are likely positioning themselves to be THE premier player for the next offseason for the big push to elite status through trades and free agency when the huge salary dumps are more likely to happen.

....next summer will be full of teams with cap space, just like this summer.

Aw Heck
07-06-2012, 10:23 AM
....next summer will be full of teams with cap space, just like this summer.
Exactly. And then what happens when the Pacers are passed over by the premier free agents just like this summer? They'll be stuck having to overpay for mid-level free agents.

No thanks. Let's just keep the All-Star center and move from there.

Kstat
07-06-2012, 10:28 AM
If the Pistons make no significant changes and use their amnesty provision on Villanueva, they'll be around $30 million under the cap next summer.

trey
07-06-2012, 10:40 AM
Pacers are playing their cards perfectly so far. George Hill is a great value for his contract, much rather have G Hill than Lin, Lowry, Dragic, etc. George is a baller who can play two positions, has good chemistry with our core, and actually wants to play here.....end of story.

Regarding Plumee....others have said it, but there is no way we could have signed a back up big man cheaper than we have signed Plumlee. Regardless of what everyone thinks he can or can't do...we will all have to wait and see. Amundson will certainly get a bigger contract than Plumlee's rookie contract. Is assuming Plumlee could produce at a level close to Amundson absurd...I don't think so.....Unlikely maybe...but it's not that far of a stretch.

If we don't sign Roy...then yes it is time to panic. Right now, it is not time to panic. A lot of smoke screens and posturing coming from the media.

I think Plumlee will pretty easily match amundson's production level... I think he's gonna be a monster on o-boards. Amundson is probably a much better shot blocker, but his coaches/teammates should be able to teach plumlee how to be a great shot blocker... I mean the dude is huge with a 40 inch vert, he should be blocking everything.