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xBulletproof
07-01-2012, 10:41 AM
I figured I would start something for this. I know there's a thread for rumors, but I figured we's have something for official deals. Keeps from making 100's of threads for them.

To start:

Emiliano Carchia: Nets agreed to a 4-year, $40M contract with Gerald Wallace http://www.sportando.net/eng/us… about 7 minutes ago

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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--kevin-garnett-to-re-sign-with-celtics.html


Garnett has decided to return to the Boston Celtics and is expected to sign a three-year, $34 million contract, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

xBulletproof
07-01-2012, 07:56 PM
Royce Young: Rockets agree to 3-year, $25.1 million deal with Omer Asik. http://cbsprt.co/KVavPK OPEN THE "OVERPAID" DEBATE CLUB! NOW CALLED TO ORDER! 1 minute ago

Hahahahaha .... wow. Roy's deal doesn't look so bad after this.

PacerPenguins
07-01-2012, 07:59 PM
that is y roy is worth max...

Speed
07-01-2012, 08:00 PM
Royce Young: Rockets agree to 3-year, $25.1 million deal with Omer Asik. http://cbsprt.co/KVavPK OPEN THE "OVERPAID" DEBATE CLUB! NOW CALLED TO ORDER! 1 minute ago

Hahahahaha .... wow. Roy's deal doesn't look so bad after this.

Yep, I'm completely convinced now, pay Roy.


Seriously, I thought he'd get 5 a year for 3 years, maybe, and still not worth that, freakin crazy.

I Spencer Hawes, if they don't pay Roy, but now I wonder what he'll get.

BringJackBack
07-01-2012, 08:00 PM
Amazing... Hopefully the dominoes begin to fall now.

Adrian Wojnarowski: The 76ers have reached an agreement in principle on a two-year, $6 million-plus extension with Lavoy Allen, league sources tell Y! Sports. Twitter
PHILADELPHIA 76ERS, FREE AGENCY, LAVOY ALLEN | SHARE

Yawn.

Banta
07-01-2012, 08:01 PM
Royce Young: Rockets agree to 3-year, $25.1 million deal with Omer Asik. http://cbsprt.co/KVavPK OPEN THE "OVERPAID" DEBATE CLUB! NOW CALLED TO ORDER! 1 minute ago

Hahahahaha .... wow. Roy's deal doesn't look so bad after this.

Wow

skyfire
07-01-2012, 08:05 PM
Emiliano Carchia: Nets agreed to a 4-year, $40M contract with Gerald Wallace http://www.sportando.net/eng/us… about 7 minutes ago


Wow that is going to be a shocking contract. I don't think Wallace's high energy game is going to age well.

cdash
07-01-2012, 08:14 PM
Wow that is going to be a shocking contract. I don't think Wallace's high energy game is going to age well.

It is already not aging well.

mattie
07-01-2012, 08:16 PM
Royce Young: Rockets agree to 3-year, $25.1 million deal with Omer Asik. http://cbsprt.co/KVavPK OPEN THE "OVERPAID" DEBATE CLUB! NOW CALLED TO ORDER! 1 minute ago

Hahahahaha .... wow. Roy's deal doesn't look so bad after this.

Asik is a stud.

avoidingtheclowns
07-01-2012, 08:45 PM
Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS (https://twitter.com/#!/KBergCBS)
There's a poison pill in the Asik offer sheet that will force the Bulls to make decisions. First two years are $5M per, Year 3 roughly $15M.

The "Arenas" rule applies to Asik, who has two years service. A steep jump in year three of offer sheet thus permitted.

In Year 3 of Asik deal, Bulls have Rose ($18.9M), Boozer ($16.8M) and Noah ($12.2M) on books. And Chicago has historically avoided tax.

Steagles
07-01-2012, 09:28 PM
Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS (https://twitter.com/#!/KBergCBS)
There's a poison pill in the Asik offer sheet that will force the Bulls to make decisions. First two years are $5M per, Year 3 roughly $15M.

The "Arenas" rule applies to Asik, who has two years service. A steep jump in year three of offer sheet thus permitted.

In Year 3 of Asik deal, Bulls have Rose ($18.9M), Boozer ($16.8M) and Noah ($12.2M) on books. And Chicago has historically avoided tax.

I'm not sure that's much of a decision. Boozer is the odd man out and will likely be amnestied anyways.

vnzla81
07-01-2012, 09:44 PM
If Asik deserves 8mil Roy deserves 13mil.

Stuckey7370
07-01-2012, 10:28 PM
Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS

Source confirms Nuggets and Andre Miller have agreed to a three-year deal.

https://twitter.com/#!/KBergCBS

Pacerized
07-01-2012, 11:02 PM
I thought the pending super tax starting in 13/14 would put all but put a stop to really stupid contracts. Imagine how poison Asik's contract will be in his 3rd year to the Rockets. Of course it's structured to keep the Bulls from matching but why would Houston want to deal with that problem themselves?

shags
07-01-2012, 11:04 PM
I thought the pending super tax starting in 13/14 would put all but put a stop to really stupid contracts. Imagine how poison Asik's contract will be in his 3rd year to the Rockets. Of course it's structured to keep the Bulls from matching but why would Houston want to deal with that problem themselves?

It's only 8.1 million each year for Houston.

littlerichard54
07-01-2012, 11:10 PM
It's only 8.1 million each year for Houston.


I thought it was 5 mil in years 1 and 2 and then 15 mil in year 3....hence the poison pill because the Bulls are up against the luxury threshold in that 3rd year.

Hypnotiq
07-01-2012, 11:13 PM
I thought it was 5 mil in years 1 and 2 and then 15 mil in year 3....hence the poison pill because the Bulls are up against the luxury threshold in that 3rd year.
It is

shags
07-01-2012, 11:14 PM
I thought it was 5 mil in years 1 and 2 and then 15 mil in year 3....hence the poison pill because the Bulls are up against the luxury threshold in that 3rd year.

It is for Chicago. It's structured differently for Houston.

vnzla81
07-01-2012, 11:33 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/KBergCBS

Thanks god that my prediction was wrong on this one :)

Pacerized
07-02-2012, 12:55 AM
It is for Chicago. It's structured differently for Houston.

How is that possible? Houston will make the offer on 7-11 and the Bulls will have to decide to match or not. He was on a 2 year deal so I guess he couldn't be paid more then 5 mil in the first 2 years and is allowed to thus take the huge leap in year 3. I think Houston will be on the hook for 15 mil in year 3 since the Bulls most likely won't match. It's insane to want to do that under the new cba for a below average big player.

Heisenberg
07-02-2012, 01:03 AM
For those with a man crush on him, Scott Machado's playing for Houston's summer league team

CableKC
07-02-2012, 02:30 AM
Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS (https://twitter.com/#!/KBergCBS)
There's a poison pill in the Asik offer sheet that will force the Bulls to make decisions. First two years are $5M per, Year 3 roughly $15M.

The "Arenas" rule applies to Asik, who has two years service. A steep jump in year three of offer sheet thus permitted.

In Year 3 of Asik deal, Bulls have Rose ($18.9M), Boozer ($16.8M) and Noah ($12.2M) on books. And Chicago has historically avoided tax.
Wow....that is frakkin brilliant on the part of the Rockets. Why don't we ever do any type of contract setup like this?

If the Bulls match...I can see Deng being dealt before that 3 year contract kicks in.

CableKC
07-02-2012, 02:31 AM
Ken Berger ‏@KBergCBS

Source confirms Nuggets and Andre Miller have agreed to a three-year deal.
https://twitter.com/#!/KBergCBS
Damn....I was thinking that Dre Miller would be "Plan Z".

According to Marc Spears, it's a deal averaging $3 mil per year. Not bad if you ask me.

I'm surprised here...only because I thought that Dre Miller didn't want to be a backup PG.

Pacerized
07-02-2012, 09:57 AM
Wow....that is frakkin brilliant on the part of the Rockets. Why don't we ever do any type of contract setup like this?

If the Bulls match...I can see Deng being dealt before that 3 year contract kicks in.

I think the only time you can offer a player a contract structured like this is when the player has only been in the league for 2 years like Arenas. That player must complete 4 seasons before being eligable for a larger 4 year contract like Hibbert's max offer of 4/55, thus the first 2 years can't exceed the MLE and year 3 gets to take a huge jump to $15 mil. Jeramy Lin is in the position and could be offered a 4 year deal with the first 2 starting at 5 mil, and the last 2 years jumping to around 15 mil.
I disagree that this is brillaint by the Rockets though. Asik is worthy MLE money period, why would a team pay 15 mil for him? Centers are in short supply but that is just plain stupid.

PR07
07-02-2012, 10:45 AM
Wow....that is frakkin brilliant on the part of the Rockets. Why don't we ever do any type of contract setup like this?

If the Bulls match...I can see Deng being dealt before that 3 year contract kicks in.

If Simon doesn't like going after restricted free agents, I doubt he likes doing "poison pill" contracts either, as that's just dirty dealing by the Rockets.

Justin Tyme
07-02-2012, 11:11 AM
Damn....I was thinking that Dre Miller would be "Plan Z".

According to Marc Spears, it's a deal averaging $3 mil per year. Not bad if you ask me.

I'm surprised here...only because I thought that Dre Miller didn't want to be a backup PG.


I hope Denver kisses Miller after that contract is signed. That's a great deal for Denve!

I guess Miller at this stage of life has come to the conclusion he doesn't have to be a starter.

Strummer
07-02-2012, 01:52 PM
You know what I want? I want the first post in this thread to list all the free agents with ongoing updates when they get an offer. Something like:

Gerald Wallace 4/$40 Brooklyn
Steve Nash
Andre Miller 3/$9 Denver
George Hill ?/? Indiana RFA
Roy Hibbert 4/58 Portland RFA

Then another section showing the remaining approximate cap room of the teams.

Indiana $x million
Brooklyn $x million

That's what I want. Someone must have the time and energy to do that. Or anyone know of a web page like that?

Well, this is sort of what I was looking for.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/free-agent-scorecard

Sparhawk
07-02-2012, 02:05 PM
According to Indy Cornrows (who got it from Wells).
http://www.indycornrows.com/2012/7/2/3132244/wells-indiana-pacers-george-hill-agree-to-5-year-deal

George Hill - 5 yr deal worth about $35-$40M

If it's $40M, that averages to $8M/yr. (corrected)

Ok, I say that we overpaid for his services now, but not by much. :sigh:

Seems everyone is getting overpaid this FA.

xBulletproof
07-02-2012, 02:17 PM
If it's $40M, that averages to $6.67M/yr.

I'd say that is a fair deal.

40 divided by 5 is not 6.67. :laugh:

It's 8 million a year.

Sparhawk
07-02-2012, 02:22 PM
40 divided by 5 is not 6.67. :laugh:

It's 8 million a year.

Damn, I divided by 6yrs. D'oh!

Well, hopefully it's $35M then.

Really?
07-02-2012, 02:37 PM
According to Indy Cornrows (who got it from Wells).
http://www.indycornrows.com/2012/7/2/3132244/wells-indiana-pacers-george-hill-agree-to-5-year-deal

George Hill - 5 yr deal worth about $35-$40M

If it's $40M, that averages to $8M/yr. (corrected)

Ok, I say that we overpaid for his services now, but not by much. :sigh:

Seems everyone is getting overpaid this FA.

lol Yeah I was wondering like HUH...

Aw Heck
07-02-2012, 02:37 PM
That's probably in line with what I expected Hill to get. Overpaid? Probably a little. But hopefully he'll either:

A) Grow into a pretty good starting point guard, to the point where he is either earning his contract or is underpaid

or

B) The Pacers acquire a true starting PG and Hill becomes an excellent 6th man.

wintermute
07-02-2012, 02:43 PM
According to Indy Cornrows (who got it from Wells).
http://www.indycornrows.com/2012/7/2/3132244/wells-indiana-pacers-george-hill-agree-to-5-year-deal

George Hill - 5 yr deal worth about $35-$40M

If it's $40M, that averages to $8M/yr. (corrected)

Ok, I say that we overpaid for his services now, but not by much. :sigh:

Seems everyone is getting overpaid this FA.

Er. he doesn't say that Hill's deal is $35-$40m. he's just speculating:



After working his way into the starting lineup, that $6 million number likely went up but the terms of the deal have yet to come out. Only the Pacers could offer Hill five years so I'd guess the total number for the deal would be somewhere between $35-40 million.

BringJackBack
07-02-2012, 02:56 PM
That's probably in line with what I expected Hill to get. Overpaid? Probably a little. But hopefully he'll either:

A) Grow into a pretty good starting point guard, to the point where he is either earning his contract or is underpaid

or

B) The Pacers acquire a true starting PG and Hill becomes an excellent 6th man.

This. No matter what, George Hill is going to be huge for this team for years to come.

Slick Pinkham
07-02-2012, 03:33 PM
Asik is a stud.

He's certainly the best basketball player I ever heard of that is named "Omer"

so...

there's that

:)

Hicks
07-02-2012, 04:20 PM
According to Indy Cornrows (who got it from Wells).
http://www.indycornrows.com/2012/7/2/3132244/wells-indiana-pacers-george-hill-agree-to-5-year-deal

George Hill - 5 yr deal worth about $35-$40M

If it's $40M, that averages to $8M/yr. (corrected)

Ok, I say that we overpaid for his services now, but not by much. :sigh:

Seems everyone is getting overpaid this FA.

You do realize he's just speculating/guessing on that number for Hill, right?

WhoLovesYaBaby?
07-02-2012, 04:24 PM
I have always been uncomfortable referring to another man as "stud".
He's certainly the best basketball player I ever heard of that is named "Omer"

so...

there's that

:)

AesopRockOn
07-02-2012, 04:32 PM
The lockout and new CBA have really changed the way owners give out contracts now.

They're even worse.

avoidingtheclowns
07-02-2012, 07:13 PM
On the heels of the Joe Johnson deal...

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
Just going online and on SportsCenter: Hawks have agreed in principle to deal Marvin Williams to Utah for Devin Harris to shed even more $
4:57 PM - 2 Jul 12 (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/219927921786241024)

Danny Ferry jumps to the lead for EotY crown.

shags
07-02-2012, 07:26 PM
On the heels of the Joe Johnson deal...

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
Just going online and on SportsCenter: Hawks have agreed in principle to deal Marvin Williams to Utah for Devin Harris to shed even more $
4:57 PM - 2 Jul 12 (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/219927921786241024)

Danny Ferry jumps to the lead for EotY crown.

Can you be executive of the year if your team doesn't make the playoffs?

DrFife
07-02-2012, 07:36 PM
On the heels of the Joe Johnson deal...

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
Just going online and on SportsCenter: Hawks have agreed in principle to deal Marvin Williams to Utah for Devin Harris to shed even more $
4:57 PM - 2 Jul 12 (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/219927921786241024)

Danny Ferry jumps to the lead for EotY crown.

I wonder if this sets up the Jazz to trade Milsap, who wanted to earn more playing time at SF. The team is young and need time to grow, and Milsap expressed restlessness last season.

CableKC
07-02-2012, 07:44 PM
Who is going to be the Jazz Starting PG?

I realize that Devin Harris wasn't much of an answer....but he was more of an answer than Tinsley and Earl Watson.

As for Marvin Williams...I assume that Marvin Williams will just take the minutes that Josh Howard and CJ Miles were using ( both of which are expiring ).

I agree that Milsap probably could be had....cuz the Jazz are just logged jammed at the PF and Center spots.

Deadshot
07-02-2012, 07:47 PM
Who is going to be the Jazz Starting PG?

Mo Williams?

kent beckley
07-02-2012, 07:50 PM
Coming soon, in 2013, Dwight Howard and Josh Smith leading the Hawks

I guess cutting payroll really isn't that hard.

CableKC
07-02-2012, 07:53 PM
I hope Denver kisses Miller after that contract is signed. That's a great deal for Denve!

I guess Miller at this stage of life has come to the conclusion he doesn't have to be a starter.
For $3 mil a year, I'd live with DreMiller as the Starting PG for 24 to 28 mpg and then have GH back him up as the 1st Guard off the bench.

CableKC
07-02-2012, 07:53 PM
Mo Williams?
Duh...totally forgot about MoWill.

Larry Staverman
07-02-2012, 08:51 PM
Danny Ferry jumps to the lead for EotY crown.


Not if he uses the cap space to sign the same kind of crap he did in Cleveland.

PR07
07-02-2012, 08:55 PM
Not if he uses the cap space to sign the same kind of crap he did in Cleveland.

It depends if they can land any big names. If they can't, then no.

Slick Pinkham
07-03-2012, 01:23 PM
Chad Ford: Nets have reached deal in principle with Mirza Teletovic, source says.

3 yrs, $15.675M Using MLE

6'9" shooter, high scorer in Euroleague (though played too few games to qualify)

http://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/statuses/220188390392471552

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/04/sports/basketball/mirza-teletovic-bosnian-power-forward-agrees-to-deal-with-nets.html

22 ppg, 6 rpg

PacerPenguins
07-03-2012, 02:13 PM
Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo
Celtics are in final discussions on terms of a multi-year deal with Mavericks free agent guard Jason Terry, sources tells Yahoo! Sports.

Stuckey7370
07-03-2012, 04:29 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA

Y! Sources: Brooklyn reaches deal on three year, $5 million sign-and-trade agreement for Reggie Evans with Clippers. http://tinyurl.com/7363mrq

https://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA