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cdash
06-30-2012, 12:43 PM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/Nash_120630/nba-next-move-steve-nash


We've heard all the speculation for the past year about Deron Williams and Dwight Howard.

As for Steve Nash? It's been quieter. Daily speculation about his next destination hasn't been nearly as persistent.

Yet entering the opening of free agency Sunday, Nash might be the one A-list free agent who is most in play. He's 38, yes, but he's still playing at an All-Star level. While Howard's fate is likely to be determined by trade in the short term and while Williams apparently has narrowed down his field to two teams (Brooklyn and Dallas), Nash still has a wide array of choices before him, none of which clearly trumps the others.

While our Marc Stein brings you the viewpoint of Nash himself, we also need to look at the other half of the equation. What can the teams chasing him potentially offer, what are their alternatives and does Nash make sense for them?

Of the eight quasi-realistic candidates, here's how it breaks down:

Phoenix: The sentimental choice, Phoenix can offer Nash big money via his Bird rights (up to the $18 million-and-change maximum for a player with 10 or more years of service) if it wishes and offers a training staff that many regard as the league's best. While a more realistic figure for Nash is probably in the $10 million to $15 million per season range, it's worth noting that the Suns can match any bidding war.

Nothing much changes in Phoenix if Nash comes back, and that's the problem -- while he gets to run the same Nash-centric offense, he's also running it with the same teammates who missed the playoffs last season.

Phoenix will have little or no cap space if it re-signs Nash, and likely will be holding the line by re-signing other free agents and bringing back more or less last season's team. (Exercising the amnesty rights on Josh Childress and using the midlevel exception on a replacement likely would be the biggest change.)

It's hard to see how that is tempting for either side, which probably explains why the Suns drafted point guard Kendall Marshall and why both sides seem resigned to the fact that the party is over. Owner Robert Sarver is going to get absolutely destroyed in the local media if and when Nash leaves, but after the Suns missed the playoffs in consecutive seasons, it's hard to see why they would force the issue any longer.

Moreover, the Suns can rebuild quickly post-Nash. They're an alluring free-agent market due to the weather and training staff, and they can have more than $20 million in cap space if they let their veteran free agents walk, re-sign Robin Lopez for reasonable money and use the amnesty rights on Childress. There might be a year or two of pain involved, but it probably beats bringing back Nash, Grant Hill and Shannon Brown just to squeeze out an upside-free 39-43 campaign.

Dallas: At first glance, this one looks awfully tempting if the Mavs' Deron Williams hopes are dashed. Nash can go back to a familiar haunt with his best bud in the business, Dirk Nowitzki, and can chase an elusive ring with the Mavs. Dallas can offer him a not-quite-max deal by exercising the amnesty rights on Brendan Haywood, or it can try to ink him for a bit less and use the extra space to add more help (such as longtime Nash buddy Grant Hill, for instance).

The idea from the Dallas perspective would be to land Nash with a two-year deal, or with a non- or partially-guaranteed third year. The Mavs' books are as clean as a whistle after the 2013-14 season, so they could make a two-year run with a geriatric Nash-Nowitzki-Shawn Marion-Vince Carter core before all their contracts expire and it becomes time to reload.

The negative is that takes the Mavs out of the running for bigger fish such as Chris Paul or Dwight Howard, and one suspects that was the real goal of all this in the first place. Would they really be title contenders with Nash after stripping down the roster to generate the cap space? And would Nash really take a two-year deal if other teams offered him a third guaranteed year at these dollars?

Toronto: If I had to bet on one of these outcomes as most likely, this is the one. Toronto has money and motive, and the situation packs enough positives for Nash to join in. For starters, he goes way back with Raptors GM Bryan Colangelo (who signed him away from Dallas before), and there's the obvious patriotic impulse to help the game in Canada.

Oh, and the Raptors can pay him a boatload of money. If Toronto uses the amnesty rights on Jose Calderon, it can offer Nash a max contract; it's the one team that probably would be most inclined to both overpay and give him a third guaranteed year. Additionally, Toronto could have enough leftover cap room to sign a fairly decent wingman for midlevel-ish money after giving Nash a three-year deal worth $45 million to $50 million.

And then you stop and say, "Holy crap, $50 million for a 38-year-old point guard on a rebuilding team?"

But Colangelo has always been the impatient sort, and coach Dwane Casey quietly made this team a much tougher defensive unit a year ago. With a healthy Andrea Bargnani-Jonas Valanciunas frontcourt, Nash at the controls, and some decent help using their leftover money and exceptions, the Raptors could be a solid playoff team and regain some traction locally after years in the wilderness.

Brooklyn: And now we get to the dark horse that probably warrants more discussion. The Nets are desperate to make a splash in their new digs and will be devastated if Deron Williams leaves. Nash resides in New York in the offseason and would find it awfully convenient to amble across the Brooklyn Bridge to work every day.

So while I think the Toronto scenario above has a good shot, if Williams leaves, I would move the Nets to the head of the list. They are at least as desperate as Toronto and have more of a hometown advantage.

The Nets will have heaps of cap room if Williams leaves and can afford to meet whatever price Nash needs met, even after re-signing Gerald Wallace, Brook Lopez and Kris Humphries.

Would Brooklyn be a good team after all this? Probably not, but the Nets would at least be competitive. That's hugely important to this team. A big part of the Nets' Plan B if Williams goes is merely to save themselves from becoming a laughingstock in their first year in Brooklyn.

The biggest negative is how this would affect a potential Dwight Howard pursuit. The Nets would have to either get Nash on a one-year deal -- not happening -- or let Humphries or Wallace walk in order to keep enough cap space open for Howard in 2013. One presumes that would be Humphries if a choice were to be made, as Billy King would be subject to ridicule if he traded a 2012 lottery pick for Wallace and then watched Wallace walk as a free agent.

New York: Despite all the chatter, it is virtually inconceivable that Nash will end up in New York. The Knicks already used their amnesty on Chauncey Billups a year ago and can't create cap room to sign Nash.

In fact, New York almost certainly will be in the tax after re-signing Jeremy Lin, Steve Novak and J.R. Smith, which means Nash almost certainly would have to take the Knicks' taxpayer midlevel exception, which would start at $3.09 million. He'd be taking about $10 million a year less than his market value, give or take, while playing the same position as Lin, a marketing cash cow. Move along, people, nothing to see here.

Miami: As with New York, the Heat are almost a comically unrealistic destination for Nash. For starters, either he'd be relegated to spot-up shooting on the weak side or the Heat would have to re-engineer their offense to fit his talents.

But mostly, as with New York, the money just doesn't work. Miami can offer only the taxpayer's midlevel exception, and while we hear stories of stars taking a bit less money for the right situation, they don't leave $10 million a year on the table.

Portland: Portland has both motive and opportunity. This organization has coveted Nash in the past and has a glaring opening at point guard; even with the drafting of Damian Lillard, one can imagine the rookie serving an apprenticeship at Nash University before being given the keys to the offense.

As for opportunity, the Blazers will have enough cap space to make Nash a godfather offer if they wish. Portland has $16.7 million in space even with cap holds on its free agents and can increase it to $18.8 million by using the stretch provision on Shawne Williams. That means the Blazers can make Nash a max offer if they choose.

However, a few factors complicate matters. First, I'm not sure whether new GM Neil Olshey is as big a Nash fan as the previous tenants of his chair, and I'm not sure the Blazers are in win-now mode the way they were a year or two ago. Nash would make them better, but he wouldn't make them a contender.

But mostly, it doesn't seem Nash is that interested in going to Portland. The Blazers offer neither a familiar haunt, nor a patriotic return, nor familiar figures with whom to play. One supposes how that could change (what if they hired Mike D'Antoni and took Shawn Marion into their cap space?), but we're getting into the land of the farfetched here. About the best Portland can do for a lure is that it's kinda sorta close to Nash's hometown of Victoria, British Columbia.

(Complicit in this problem, I should add, was our Marc Stein, who played in Nash's soccer game in New York on Wednesday and yet -- despite clear instructions to "push the bike lanes" -- failed to advise Nash of potentially game-changing information about Portland's cycling-friendly culture and organic produce markets.)

Indiana: And this, my friends, is why non-glamour markets are always operating at a huge disadvantage. The Pacers are a good team with a need at point guard and a bunch of cap space; with Nash, they could be champions. In fact, I would be hard-pressed to find a more perfect free-agent fit.

By all rights, the Pacers should be the favorites to land Nash. At the moment, they aren't even on the radar.

The Pacers will have about $12 million in cap space this summer, including the cap holds on restricted free agents Roy Hibbert and George Hill. Indiana could offer Darren Collison in a sign-and-trade with Phoenix and give Nash a three-year deal worth about $45 million, which would put the Pacers on equal or near-equal footing with every other suitor for his services.

Meanwhile, basketball-wise this is by far the best team for which Nash could sign up and still be paid market value. The Pacers would just need to re-sign Hibbert and Hill and fill in the gaps on the wings with exception money, and Indy would give itself a three-year run at winning a championship. Could you imagine this offense with Nash at the controls, all that outside shooting at spots 2 through 4 and Hibbert in the paint?

Alas, imagine is all you'll ever get to do. It won't happen, because it's Indiana, and it doesn't appear Nash has any desire to go there. And I'm sorry, Commissioner Stern, but all the lockouts in the world aren't going to fix this.



Yep. I honestly didn't even read anything but the Indiana part. It makes an absurd amount of basketball sense it almost makes me mad, until I realized I knew he wasn't realistic all along. Damn.

OlBlu
06-30-2012, 01:23 PM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/Nash_120630/nba-next-move-steve-nash



Yep. I honestly didn't even read anything but the Indiana part. It makes an absurd amount of basketball sense it almost makes me mad, until I realized I knew he wasn't realistic all along. Damn.

I thought he was fine until he talked about aquiring Nash making Indiana champions. They wouldn't even be close and might not do as well as they did last year... Pass!! :cool:

CableKC
06-30-2012, 01:33 PM
Wow....if it would take up to $15 mil a year for 3 seasons / $45 mil total to get him....then even I'd consider passing. There's no way that the FO would sign off on that.

graphic-er
06-30-2012, 01:39 PM
Steve Nash for 15 Million a year? UGH!

CableKC
06-30-2012, 02:03 PM
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/221903/Raptors_Expected_To_Offer_$12M_Annually_To_Nash


Raptors Expected To Offer $12M Annually To Nash
Jun 30, 2012 10:55 AM EDT

The Raptors will bring a contingent of five members of the organization to meet with Steve Nash as soon as he's ready on Sunday.

Toronto's offer, likely to reach $12 million per season according to sources, is likely to be the most lucrative.

The Raptors are pushing for a playoff return in the 12-13 season.

"The Raptors would be one of those teams where you're probably not going there to win a championship in the next three years," said Nash. "For me it'd be going home to Canada, to a great city, and trying to help an organization move forward.

"I'm open to the positives of all of them. It'd be great if four or five contenders came after me and all offered me a deal, but the reality is I might not get that opportunity. So I'm going to look at every opportunity and Toronto will be one that I'll study as well and look at the opportunity for them to grow in the next three years and what kind of impact I can have on that team. And obviously from a community standpoint, it's a special place for me."
Again...pass....but more than likely...the FO doesn't want to offer that much.

Shade
06-30-2012, 02:09 PM
I thought he was fine until he talked about aquiring Nash making Indiana champions. They wouldn't even be close and might not do as well as they did last year... Pass!! :cool:

The Pacers' biggest weakness last season was their inability to score efficiently. How would Nash not improve that significantly?

With Nash, the Pacers would be the second-best team in the East (yes, even better than Chicago w/Rose).

vnzla81
06-30-2012, 02:10 PM
I thought he was fine until he talked about aquiring Nash making Indiana champions. They wouldn't even be close and might not do as well as they did last year... Pass!! :cool:

Yeah like I said before Nash is my favorite player in the NBA but I don't see him making us contenders, we need more than just Nash.

beezer615
06-30-2012, 02:14 PM
we were next to dead last in assists per game and had major scoring droughts I'd say were caused by the lack of a true point guard to facilitate good shots. But I am not allowing any time to get my hopes up.

OlBlu
06-30-2012, 02:16 PM
The Pacers' biggest weakness last season was their inability to score efficiently. How would Nash not improve that significantly?

With Nash, the Pacers would be the second-best team in the East (yes, even better than Chicago w/Rose).

Nash would not make this team one bit better than they are now. Yes, he would help the offense a little but that would be swallowed up by his getting lit up by every other PG in the League. His day is long past and I think he going to Toronto where he will put some people in the seats and they will be happy just to make the playoffs.... Pass!!! :cool:

SycamoreKen
06-30-2012, 02:16 PM
I'd do it easy. If we did that deal the field house fills up, we are on tv, and have a shot at getting good players to sign with us for less.

3rdStrike
06-30-2012, 02:18 PM
Wow....if it would take up to $15 mil a year for 3 seasons / $45 mil total to get him....then even I'd consider passing. There's no way that the FO would sign off on that.


The only reason the article uses those numbers is it's speculated that that's what Toronto may offer. Nash said that if he went to Toronto he would go knowing they wouldn't win a championship in the next 3 years.

So basically only Toronto would have to offer that much to pique Nash's interest, because they're incapable of winning. So they have to offer him something else.

Whereas the Pacers, for example, would be instant conference champion contenders if not favorites (if they added Nash). So don't take those numbers as his going rate / market value, because they only apply to Toronto.

Pacerized
06-30-2012, 06:34 PM
Espn is reporting that Toronto will offer Nash 12 mil. If that's the case and Williams really shows not interest then I say we move Jones for a future 2cd. and offer Nash 12/36. He's surely sign here over Toronoto for the same money. Then we can afford to move DC to upgrade our backup 4/5 position, re-sign Hibbert and Hill and we're through.

daschysta
06-30-2012, 06:47 PM
Logic would dictate he would sign here. Hopefully he's one of the few NBA players that exercises it when deciding where to go.

We'd be at or very near Miami's level if Nash were here. Roy and West would instantly average 3-4 more ppg on much better %'s based on easy baskets that nash gets them alone, emphasising whet is already a significant advantage over the heat in interior play. I'd also feel better facing them with a monstrous advantage at the 1 and 5 spots as well as the bench, while still having very good starters at 2, 3 and 4 than just a moderate advantage at point with our only real advantages over them being our bench and Roy, with Roy having the disadvantage of our inability to feed him in the post. With PG to cover the most explosive point guards which are not so common, Nash is good enough on offense to more than make up for defensive lapses, and our team D is strong enough to make him not a liability.

OlBlu
06-30-2012, 06:49 PM
Logic would dictate he would sign here. Hopefully he's one of the few NBA players that exercises it when deciding where to go.

We'd be at or very near Miami's level if Nash were here. Roy and West would instantly average 3-4 more ppg on much better %'s based on easy baskets that nash gets them alone, emphasising whet is already a significant advantage over the heat in interior play. I'd also feel better facing them with a monstrous advantage at the 1 and 5 spots as well as the bench, while still having very good starters at 2, 3 and 4 than just a moderate advantage at point with our only real advantages over them being our bench and Roy, with Roy having the disadvantage of our inability to feed him in the post. With PG to cover the most explosive point guards which are not so common, Nash is good enough on offense to more than make up for defensive lapses, and our team D is strong enough to make him not a liability.

You are a dreamer. Nash would not put us on a par with Miami. They have THREE superstars...... They are going to make moves and be better next year. We are light years from catching up with Miami, Chicago or Boston....:cool:

daschysta
06-30-2012, 07:04 PM
You are a dreamer. Nash would not put us on a par with Miami. They have THREE superstars...... They are going to make moves and be better next year. We are light years from catching up with Miami, Chicago or Boston....:cool:

But i'm not the only one!

But really I believe you are underselling us and being overly cynical.

We're going to be better than Boston with another year on their old tired legs, and who are likely losing Ray Allen next year, we weren't far behind them this season, though their previous experience surely helped them in the conference finals.

Chicago and Boston aren't worlds better than we are now, with Nash we are easily on Chicago's level, but given the fact that you apparently believe obtaining a future f\hall of famer who jsut posted one of the best seasons of his career despite having barely any help in phoenix would hardly improve us at all (your own argument) then i'm not sure I can really say anything about the disagreement than to agree to disagree, as I think you are dead wrong about NAsh, and how he would help us.

We have alot more room to improve than Boston, Chicago or Miami, and we played Miami tougher than the Western Conference Champions (I know bosh was out, but in the Finals he wasn't a dominant factor (14-9.4, but really only having 1 "great" game, other than the clincher he had games of 10, 16, 10, 13) and even considering that we still would have likely won game 3 and still had a chance in games 1 and 2.

Even without Nash we'll be near the level of Chicago and better than boston next season. Miami isn't SO much better than the rest of the league that we won't be able to challenge them in years to come if Roy and PG develop as they should, provided we can add some other pieces to top ourselves off. We did just take them to 6 games on our first go around being a real playoff threat, and an absolutely ancient Boston team took them to 7, and though they didn't have Bosh, Wade is looking like he's declining and they don't have the cap to pick up any real pieces who aren't minimum salary ring chasers.

You don't HAVE to have "superstars" to win, and Steve Nash IS a superstar player anyhow. OKC had Kevin Durant and Westbrook as well as Harden, who some overrate and call one, and they put up a worse fight vs. Miami than we did.

BlueNGold
06-30-2012, 07:05 PM
You are a dreamer. Nash would not put us on a par with Miami. They have THREE superstars...... They are going to make moves and be better next year. We are light years from catching up with Miami, Chicago or Boston....:cool:

Light years? I don't think so. We could have beaten Boston this year. We would have beaten Chicago after Rose went down. It's true Miami is a notch above, but next year with our players' growth, we will start catching up. Their players are getting old. Haslem, Battier and Miller are on the downside of their careers already. Wade is going to be 31 and his explosiveness will subside. The only way Miami gets better next year is if we see ring chasers go to South Beach. That could happen. But there's no guarantee of that.

Speed
06-30-2012, 07:07 PM
You are a dreamer.


But i'm not the only one!



I hope some day you'll join us and the world will live as one.

OlBlu
06-30-2012, 07:19 PM
Light years? I don't think so. We could have beaten Boston this year. We would have beaten Chicago after Rose went down. It's true Miami is a notch above, but next year with our players' growth, we will start catching up. Their players are getting old. Haslem, Battier and Miller are on the downside of their careers already. Wade is going to be 31 and his explosiveness will subside. The only way Miami gets better next year is if we see ring chasers go to South Beach. That could happen. But there's no guarantee of that.

Dwayne could play on a crutch and be better than any player the Pacers have. Some players there will move on and other will move in. How about if they get Ray Allen? I am not convinced that the Pacers could have beaten Chicago without Rose but certainly not if thry had him. There will always be players willing to sign for less to play with Miami but they certainly would not have done that. I also do not think we could have beaten Boston this year. They took Miami to seven game if you were watching. Miami would have beaten the Pacers 4-0 if they had Bosh and basically won three in a row after they adapted to him being gone. James just cranks it up and scores whatever is necessary and we do not have players who can do that. Miami would not be interested in Nash because they don't need that kind of PG. Lucky for us, Nash will avoid the Pacers like a plague.....:cool:

rock747
06-30-2012, 07:46 PM
This article just makes me mad by reminding me of something I already know.

Pacerized
06-30-2012, 07:49 PM
You are a dreamer. Nash would not put us on a par with Miami. They have THREE superstars...... They are going to make moves and be better next year. We are light years from catching up with Miami, Chicago or Boston....:cool:

They're good but not as good as you make them out. They don't have 3 superstars, they currently have 1. Bosh is a consistant all star and Wade is no longer on the superstar level. They also have weaknesses. I don't know if Nash puts us on a level with Miami but he gets us a lot closer to where we have a good chance to take them out if everyone is healthy. If we landed Nash he wouldn't have to be our only upgrade, we'd be in a position to trade DC for a major upgrade at the backup 4/5.

Steagles
06-30-2012, 07:50 PM
Nash would not make this team one bit better than they are now. Yes, he would help the offense a little but that would be swallowed up by his getting lit up by every other PG in the League. His day is long past and I think he going to Toronto where he will put some people in the seats and they will be happy just to make the playoffs.... Pass!!! :cool:

This already happens with DC/Hill.

RLeWorm
06-30-2012, 08:14 PM
They're good but not as good as you make them out. They don't have 3 superstars, they currently have 1. Bosh is a consistant all star and Wade is no longer on the superstar level. They also have weaknesses. I don't know if Nash puts us on a level with Miami but he gets us a lot closer to where we have a good chance to take them out if everyone is healthy. If we landed Nash he wouldn't have to be our only upgrade, we'd be in a position to trade DC for a major upgrade at the backup 4/5.

Wade not on superstar level? i have to disagree. He is 30 but still has plenty of ball left in him. Did u see what happen in game 4 against us? He was fire and didn't surprise me one bit. Played very well in the finals also.

LA_Confidential
06-30-2012, 09:10 PM
I thought he was fine until he talked about aquiring Nash making Indiana champions. They wouldn't even be close and might not do as well as they did last year... Pass!! :cool:


Nash would not make this team one bit better.... I think he going to Toronto where he will put some people in the seats and they will be happy just to make the playoffs.... Pass!!! :cool:

So your telling me Nash would put butts in the Toronto seats (true) AND the Raptors will be a playoff team (farfetched)?

BUT

Your also telling me Nash would not bring more fans to the Field House (false) AND the Pacers would not be a better team (false) AND would potentially be a worse team (BULLSHYT)?

Pass the dutchie my friend.

OlBlu
06-30-2012, 09:13 PM
So your telling me Nash would put butts in the Toronto seats (true) AND the Raptors will be a playoff team (farfetched)?

BUT

Your also telling me Nash would not bring more fans to the Field House (false) AND the Pacers would not be a better team (false) AND would potentially be a worse team (BULLSHYT)?

Pass the dutchie my friend.

Hey, we could get Jason Kidd or better yet, John Stockton is available!! Might have to buy him a pair of short shorts....... Nash is a joke for the Pacers. He isn't coming here now or any time. So, as you say, cut the bullshyt.........:cool:

LA_Confidential
06-30-2012, 09:26 PM
Hey, we could get Jason Kidd or better yet, John Stockton is available!! Might have to buy him a pair of short shorts....... Nash is a joke for the Pacers. He isn't coming here now or any time. So, as you say, cut the bullshyt.........:cool:

Nice rebuttal. I apologize for calling you out for your blatant contradiction.

troyc11a
06-30-2012, 09:34 PM
Hey, we could get Jason Kidd or better yet, John Stockton is available!! Might have to buy him a pair of short shorts....... Nash is a joke for the Pacers. He isn't coming here now or any time. So, as you say, cut the bullshyt.........:cool:

Dude, you just got schooled and your only response is an insult? That doesnt help your argument at all. I enjoyed reading the back and forths until then.

Nash would sell tons of tickets at BLF. He would be a monumental upgrade for our offense and allow the team to move one of the backup pg's. Together with the addition of a healthy Pendergraph, an athletic 7' like Plumlee, that this team would be much better. They played Miami competitive and would only get better.
The only negative Nash would bring is his poor defense. But, he cant be any worse than Collison.

OlBlu
06-30-2012, 09:37 PM
Dude, you just got schooled and your only response is an insult? That doesnt help your argument at all. I enjoyed reading the back and forths until then.

Nash would sell tons of tickets at BLF. He would be a monumental upgrade for our offense and allow the team to move one of the backup pg's. Together with the addition of a healthy Pendergraph, an athletic 7' like Plumlee, that this team would be much better. They played Miami competitive and would only get better.
The only negative Nash would bring is his poor defense. But, he cant be any worse than Collison.

Get this through your head. Nash won't play for Indiana. He will go to Toronto or possibly one of the NY team. I assure you that Indiana is not in his top five teams so stop the dreaming about something that can never happen. I don't know how many tickets he would sell in Indiana. I don't think as many as you do........ or as many as he will in Toronto....:cool: I think Magic Johnson is available too....

daschysta
06-30-2012, 09:41 PM
Wade not on superstar level? i have to disagree. He is 30 but still has plenty of ball left in him. Did u see what happen in game 4 against us? He was fire and didn't surprise me one bit. Played very well in the finals also.

In the finals he only averaged 22 ppg on bad efficiency by his standards, he's still good, but certainly declining.

troyc11a
06-30-2012, 09:42 PM
Get this through your head. Nash won't play for Indiana. He will go to Toronto or possibly one of the NY team. I assure you that Indiana is not in his top five teams so stop the dreaming about something that can never happen. I don't know how many tickets he would sell in Indiana. I don't think as many as you do........ or as many as he will in Toronto....:cool: I think Magic Johnson is available too....

This whole thread is about speculation. If there is none, then there is no need for this. Why dont you pass me along Nash's phone number so I can ask him myself? Until he signs somewhere it is still possible. The same goes for DWilliams and anyone else.

LA_Confidential
06-30-2012, 09:46 PM
Get this through your head. Nash won't play for Indiana. He will go to Toronto or possibly one of the NY team. I assure you that Indiana is not in his top five teams so stop the dreaming about something that can never happen. I don't know how many tickets he would sell in Indiana. I don't think as many as you do........ or as many as he will in Toronto....:cool: I think Magic Johnson is available too....

Good job. Keep it up and your statements will have even less credibility than they already have on PD. Or are we dreaming of something that can never happen?

troyc11a
06-30-2012, 09:50 PM
Good job. Keep it up and your statements will have even less credibility than they already have on PD. Or are we dreaming of something that can never happen?

I find it funny that on a thread which is based on the thought of Nash coming to Indy we have a self proclaimed no-it-all who wants to argue that he is not coming. If that is the case then he should START HIS OWN THREAD entitled "Nash is not coming to Indy"!

LA_Confidential
06-30-2012, 09:56 PM
I find it funny that on a thread which is based on the thought of Nash coming to Indy we have a self proclaimed no-it-all who wants to argue that he is not coming. If that is the case then he should START HIS OWN THREAD entitled "Nash is not coming to Indy"!


That's the perfect description for the guy.

hoosierguy
06-30-2012, 10:00 PM
The Pacers' biggest weakness last season was their inability to score efficiently. How would Nash not improve that significantly?

With Nash, the Pacers would be the second-best team in the East (yes, even better than Chicago w/Rose).

Disregard anything that loon has to say- it is a sad, lying troll that offers nothing of value to this board or society for that matter.

It looks like more and more people on here are coming to the realization of just how pathetic and disruptive this cretin is.

troyc11a
06-30-2012, 10:02 PM
Disregard anything that loon has to say- it is a sad, lying troll that offers nothing of value to this board or society for that matter.

I think Shade made a good point. We played Miami as tough as anyone but Boston and woiuld be better with Nash. Defense would be a bigger question though!

Sandman21
06-30-2012, 10:03 PM
David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt

Knicks, Heat, Pacers, Raptors &?Suns expected to make their pitch to Steve Nash Sunday, per source. Not certain if all teams will be in NYC.
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troyc11a
06-30-2012, 10:04 PM
David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt

Knicks, Heat, Pacers, Raptors &?Suns expected to make their pitch to Steve Nash Sunday, per source. Not certain if all teams will be in NYC.
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Like I just said! If he has not signed, there is a chance!!!!!!! If he wants to win AND get paid, we are his best bet!

Pacerfan
06-30-2012, 10:09 PM
David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt

Knicks, Heat, Pacers, Raptors &?Suns expected to make their pitch to Steve Nash Sunday, per source. Not certain if all teams will be in NYC.
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Yup, exactly what you would want your front office to do. Kevin Pritchard would not go without giving it a shot. As unlikely as it may seem, it's always worth giving it a try. Nash may not choose Indiana, but it won't be for a lack of our FO trying.

mildlysane
06-30-2012, 10:13 PM
Get this through your head. Nash won't play for Indiana. He will go to Toronto or possibly one of the NY team. I assure you that Indiana is not in his top five teams so stop the dreaming about something that can never happen. I don't know how many tickets he would sell in Indiana. I don't think as many as you do........ or as many as he will in Toronto....:cool: I think Magic Johnson is available too....
Come on now.....obvious troll is being obvious. I thought your reason for him not coming here was his defense. Now it is just that he won't come here. P** on anyone's Wheaties lately?

RLeWorm
06-30-2012, 10:14 PM
work your magic Pritchard!

troyc11a
06-30-2012, 10:16 PM
Thats right! You never know (except for some on this board who already know). Give it a shot and see what happens.

BlueNGold
06-30-2012, 10:25 PM
Dwayne could play on a crutch and be better than any player the Pacers have. Some players there will move on and other will move in. How about if they get Ray Allen? I am not convinced that the Pacers could have beaten Chicago without Rose but certainly not if thry had him. There will always be players willing to sign for less to play with Miami but they certainly would not have done that. I also do not think we could have beaten Boston this year. They took Miami to seven game if you were watching. Miami would have beaten the Pacers 4-0 if they had Bosh and basically won three in a row after they adapted to him being gone. James just cranks it up and scores whatever is necessary and we do not have players who can do that. Miami would not be interested in Nash because they don't need that kind of PG. Lucky for us, Nash will avoid the Pacers like a plague.....:cool:

Sure, Wade is a monster right now but his time is coming. His game is predicated on extreme athleticism and that starts to drop off rapidly in your early 30's...right where he is right now. His knee surgery isn't supposed to be a big deal, but it all adds up. Age takes away that explosiveness. All this while the guys guarding him like Paul George and George Hill will be better and more experienced next year. Will we beat them next year? I doubt it but I do believe we will be more competitive. All of their best players were at the very top of their game. Other than Granger, none of our guys are vets. Combine that with the fact Battier, Miller and Haslem are going to all be worse next year, the Heat are not getting better OlBlu. I seriously doubt their chances to repeat. Also, if they get Ray Allen, they better have a nurse on staff. Is he 50 years old yet? Another year isn't going to do him any good either.

As for Chicago without Rose, you have to be kidding. They were not effective at all without Rose and lost to Philly 4-1. The same Philly team that lost to Boston...who lost to Miami.

As for Boston, we had our way with them through the season. I think we match up far better against them than Miami who destroyed us during the regular season. Perhaps we would lose, but it's hard to say. The fact the series went 7 games with the Heat had more to do with advertising dollars. The Heat were laughing after game one...after they had to fight through the Pacers. They knew game 1 they'd beat the Celtics because they could tell the Pacers were better.

Steagles
06-30-2012, 10:28 PM
Glad to see we have an aggressive GM who will at least try to recruit players. If Nash doesn't sign, its his loss, not on our FO's head.

LA_Confidential
06-30-2012, 10:33 PM
Just knowing we will make a play gets me excited about the possibility. Players always say they will do what's best. Well Mr Nash, Indiana is the best option that you have interns of a healthy contact and a chance.to immediately compete. Unless you want to go back to Canada you'd be a fool to pass up the best opportunity you've had since Robert Horry broke your nose. Oops did I just say that out loud.

Derek2k3
06-30-2012, 10:35 PM
Off topic, but I hate how blocked users show up in quotes.

Seriously guys, there are certain posters that are not interested in furthering the discussion by communicating in a semi-rational way. Some people truly enjoy being what I would call "cynical" or a killjoy, and life is better when they are ignored.

Regarding Nash, it would be interesting to see this offense with him running the floor. I feel that Granger/Paul/Hibbert would benefit immensely from having a point that could get them the ball in the right spots with more than 4/5 seconds on the clock. I am a bit wary of locking up $12M+/year in a 38 year old with a bad, BAD back though...regardless, I'm excited!

troyc11a
06-30-2012, 10:40 PM
Off topic, but I hate how blocked users show up in quotes.

Seriously guys, there are certain posters that are not interested in furthering the discussion by communicating in a semi-rational way. Some people truly enjoy being what I would call "cynical" or a killjoy, and life is better when they are ignored.

Regarding Nash, it would be interesting to see this offense with him running the floor. I feel that Granger/Paul/Hibbert would benefit immensely from having a point that could get them the ball in the right spots with more than 4/5 seconds on the clock. I am a bit wary of locking up $12M+/year in a 38 year old with a bad, BAD back though...regardless, I'm excited!

It is refreshing to see TPTB going after future HOF's. I would not be surprised if they talk to guys like Ray Allen either. Hey, its just a phone call! I remember hearing Charles Barkley say that Lebron should have tried to come to Indiana due to all the young players. He said they could rule the NBA for the next 6-7 years. No way that happens in Miami!

Sandman21
06-30-2012, 10:57 PM
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ECKrueger
06-30-2012, 11:07 PM
I agree with others - thank goodness we're at least trying for Nash. That's all I ask for.