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doctor-h
06-28-2012, 10:51 PM
This has got to be the lowest moment I can remember while being a Pacer fan. Had a guy with star potential handed to you and didn't have the sense to take it. Team had momentum from the season, the post season and had the fans excited and then end up with this. So the arena will continue to be empty again. The Pacers wasted another chance to win people over. Nobody will pay to watch Plumlee. This is mind boggling.

Steagles
06-28-2012, 10:53 PM
More often than not, this board commits mass suicide when not necessary, but this is not one of those times.

PacersHomer
06-28-2012, 10:57 PM
Lowest moment!? Didn't we have our team fight fans in the middle of a game? Please be satirical.

Isaac
06-28-2012, 10:58 PM
Seriously? The casual fan isn't paying attention to who the Pacers drafted at 26. We just went to the second round and battled the Heat, who won the championship. You are delusional if you think this has any impact on attendance.

doctor-h
06-28-2012, 11:05 PM
Are you serious? We won 2 games against the Heat without one of the best big men in the league. May not have won 1 game if they had Bosh for the series. You think the casual fan doesn't pay attention to who the team drafts. Haven't you even read this message board? The casual fan doesn't make the difference at the box office. The rabid fan does and they are pissed.

doctor-h
06-28-2012, 11:07 PM
I meant at the draft. Of course it is not worse than the brawl. Sorry

CircleCity3318
06-28-2012, 11:08 PM
Good Lord the dude hasn't even played a game for the Pacers yet and everyone is writing him off

BringJackBack
06-28-2012, 11:09 PM
I blunder isn't complete without a doctor-h sky-is-falling thread.

cdash
06-28-2012, 11:10 PM
Now this is a bit much.

Unclebuck
06-28-2012, 11:13 PM
You must be kidding. This s a 26th pick for god's sake.

Really come on

Isaac
06-28-2012, 11:14 PM
Are you serious? We won 2 games against the Heat without one of the best big men in the league. May not have won 1 game if they had Bosh for the series. You think the casual fan doesn't pay attention to who the team drafts. Haven't you even read this message board? The casual fan doesn't make the difference at the box office. The rabid fan does and they are pissed.


You couldn't be more off base. The casual fan does make the difference at the box office. Everyone on PD supported the team through the past seven years and sure as hell isn't going to stop after our best season in a long time because they don't like our late first round pick. :lol:

Reginald
06-28-2012, 11:14 PM
You are delusional if you think this has any impact on attendance.

Well, my father-in-law, two brothers-in-law and I were seriously considering upgrading back up to season tickets from our 11-game mini-plans and officially decided against it during our draft party tonight. So it impacted the attendance by four people.

Unclebuck
06-28-2012, 11:19 PM
Well, my father-in-law, two brothers-in-law and I were seriously considering upgrading back up to season tickets from our 11-game mini-plans and officially decided against it during our draft party tonight. So it impacted the attendance by four people.


That shocks me. Are you all new fans. 26th picks are a crapshoot at best. If you can gets guy who is in your regular rotation for 2 or 3 years you have hit the jockpot.

I do care if you upgrade your tickets or not, but this shoud not be the reason

HC
06-28-2012, 11:20 PM
That shocks me. Are you all new fans. 26th picks are a crapshoot at best. If you can gets guy who is in your regular rotation for 2 or 3 years you have hit the jockpot.

I do care if you upgrade your tickets or not, but this shoud not be the reason

People can call it a crapshoot, but it's a fact that there were better players on the board.

doctor-h
06-28-2012, 11:22 PM
The casual fan never buys a season ticket. They may attend 1 or 2 games a year. The season ticket base needs to grow or we will never increase attendance. Please tell me how this kind of thing will get someone interested in buying a ticket. This draft was a complete waste of time. I hope everyone that went to the draft parties had a great time.

Derek2k3
06-28-2012, 11:24 PM
The issue here isn't that Plumlee is that bad, it's that the opportunity to have PJ3 is that good. That's why people are so upset, not because Plumlee wouldn't typically be an acceptable late first. The problem is that you could have had a guy that was a projected top 5 pick pick, and instead you took a no-risk/no-reward guy.

Derek2k3
06-28-2012, 11:25 PM
And as a side note, I don't think this really affected attendance, but I do think it adversely affected this teams ability to grow through the draft. Just seemed like a complete waste.

Unclebuck
06-28-2012, 11:25 PM
People can call it a crapshoot, but it's a fact that there were better players on the board.


We don't know that. None of these players have ever played an NBA game. It is not a fact, not at all. I'm willing to trust Bird and our scouts

Infinite MAN_force
06-28-2012, 11:26 PM
People are making this big of a deal out of the 26th pick? Now I remember why I don't hang around the forum much in the offseason. Wake me up when free agency starts.

Suaveness
06-28-2012, 11:31 PM
That shocks me. Are you all new fans. 26th picks are a crapshoot at best. If you can gets guy who is in your regular rotation for 2 or 3 years you have hit the jockpot.

I do care if you upgrade your tickets or not, but this shoud not be the reason

Jockpot? I don't want to hit that...

*astrisk*
06-28-2012, 11:31 PM
People are making this big of a deal out of the 26th pick? Now I remember why I don't hang around the forum much in the offseason. Wake me up when free agency starts.

WAKE UP!!!!

David Stern did us a solid! He let us pick up an undrafted free agent in the first round... for basketball reasons!!! Thanks ol Davey Boy!!!

Frostwolf
06-28-2012, 11:31 PM
just an observation, but most of the suicide squad on PD seem to be of the newer generation of posters (not just tonight, but in general)

calm down folks and the place will be a much better one

Unclebuck
06-28-2012, 11:32 PM
Jockpot? I don't want to hit that...


I hate my IPad

Reginald
06-28-2012, 11:33 PM
That shocks me. Are you all new fans. 26th picks are a crapshoot at best. If you can gets guy who is in your regular rotation for 2 or 3 years you have hit the jockpot.

I do care if you upgrade your tickets or not, but this shoud not be the reason

I was a season ticket holder from 1985-2005, so I wouldn't necessarily classify myself as a "new" fan. And like it or not, tonight is the reason I'm not upgrading. I'm not asking for a game-changer at 26. But at the bare minimum it would be nice to take one of the dozen other better athletes (at least) still on the board that fill a bigger need.

doctor-h
06-28-2012, 11:33 PM
People are making this big of a deal out of the 26th pick? Now I remember why I don't hang around the forum much in the offseason. Wake me up when free agency starts.

Yea I can't wait for our Carl Landry signing.

doctor-h
06-28-2012, 11:35 PM
just an observation, but most of the suicide squad on PD seem to be of the newer generation of posters (not just tonight, but in general)

calm down folks and the place will be a much better one

Not true at all. Some of us remember when the Pacers had some guts.

Frostwolf
06-28-2012, 11:37 PM
I was a season ticket holder from 1985-2005, so I wouldn't necessarily classify myself as a "new" fan. And like it or not, tonight is the reason I'm not upgrading. I'm not asking for a game-changer at 26. But at the bare minimum it would be nice to take one of the dozen other better athletes (at least) still on the board that fill a bigger need.

you were a season ticket holder 1985, and one mediocre draft pick is going to make you not going to come to games? sigh

why didnt you leave during much bigger mistakes that this franchise has made?

rm1369
06-28-2012, 11:38 PM
We don't know that. None of these players have ever played an NBA game. It is not a fact, not at all. I'm willing to trust Bird and our scouts

That's what everyone said when bird passed on Holiday for Tyler. We still need an upgrade at PG and at backup PF.

Infinite MAN_force
06-28-2012, 11:40 PM
I just read the specs on the guy, incredibly athletic near 7 footer who has tremendous rebounding ability (has posted a 22 rebound game in college) no offensive skills. Gee, do you think we might be trying to replace Jeff Foster? Gee, do you think we want a cheap option at backup center (because back up centers get way overpaid in free agency) gee could this be a frugal/prudent move that will free up free agent dollars for other more important positions (resigning Hill and Hibbert, possibly an important signing (Nash?) This forum is absurd. There are plenty of things going on here that make sense.

Everyone is mad cause we passed on some supposedly elite talent? So elite that he dropped all the way to 26? Give me a break. These people get paid to do this for a reason, let them do their jobs.

ilive4sports
06-28-2012, 11:45 PM
wait, people are not renewing the season tickets because of a draft pick? holy hell batman, talk about overreacting.

doctor-h
06-28-2012, 11:48 PM
I just read the specs on the guy, incredibly athletic near 7 footer who has tremendous rebounding ability (has posted a 22 rebound game in college) no offensive skills. Gee, do you think we might be trying to replace Jeff Foster? Gee, do you think we want a cheap option at backup center (because back up centers get way overpaid in free agency) gee could this be a frugal/prudent move that will free up free agent dollars for other more important positions (resigning Hill and Hibbert, possibly an important signing (Nash?) This forum is absurd. There are plenty of things going on here that make sense.

Everyone is mad cause we passed on some supposedly elite talent? So elite that he dropped all the way to 26? Give me a break. These people get paid to do this for a reason, let them do their jobs.

Gee I sure hope we are saving dollars to pay for a 40 year old point guard.

Willbo
06-28-2012, 11:49 PM
Bird should breath a sigh of relief. This thread usurped our first pick as the stupidest thing ive heard today.

graphic-er
06-28-2012, 11:50 PM
That's what everyone said when bird passed on Holiday for Tyler. We still need an upgrade at PG and at backup PF.

THIS! THis is what is at the heart of why people are blowing up over this pick. Larry Bird consistently takes mediocre 4 year college players over players that have real talent.

@ 6-11 I am would be making PJ3 my back up PF on day 1. Instead we get a back up center who didn't even play more than 20 mins a game in college. GO get the guy with talent.

daschysta
06-29-2012, 12:59 AM
This thread is absolutely ridiculous.

We had the 26th pick in the draft, EXPECTING huge moves is preposterous from that position, and furthermore it will look even more ridiculous if the reason we didn't make a huge move tonight is because we have something else lined up for the free agency period.

Even if we don't make a gigantic move this thread is STILL ridiculous, we had the 5th best record in the NBA last season, Frank Vogel is getting his first even training camp, Hibbert is likely to come back improved like he does every season, Paul George is primed to make a huge leap, We have the inside track to be the second seed in the Eastern Conference next season, and have every opportunity to make the conference finals and threaten Miami.

If this isn't enough to excite you for next season because we played the fricking 26th pick in the Draft safe then you are either incredibly flaky, or forgot the numerous other times when things WEREN'T looking bright, like things are now... SMH.

Peck
06-29-2012, 01:04 AM
Obviously I join the rest of you in not being thrilled with this draft pick, however it is simply because everybody who was with me kept telling me that there were several other players better which I would have no idea of because I do not watch college ball at all.

But even so I don't think it's the end of the world kind of event. It's not a good pick and it might even be a miserable failure of a pick but at the 26th pick I can't see any player make or break you and if that is the case you are either really bad or that player must be very good.

Either way let's just hope that this and re-signing our own free agents is not the answer for this off season, because that IMO would be a terrible mistake.

daschysta
06-29-2012, 01:15 AM
Well, my father-in-law, two brothers-in-law and I were seriously considering upgrading back up to season tickets from our 11-game mini-plans and officially decided against it during our draft party tonight. So it impacted the attendance by four people.

If people are seriously kneejerky enough to do that then the Pacers are better off pursuing fans that they can actually please and won't make a decision like that over the 26th pick in the draft...

Also it's likely that Bird saw the Backup C spot as a top priority, one that is actually feasible to maybe fill at 26, and then they bought Orlandon Johnson who has very high potential, and isn't injured like Perry Jones is (who was in no universe a sure thing even before the injury problems arose, his stock had been dropping like a rock ever since the earliest mock drafts.)

daschysta
06-29-2012, 01:22 AM
Holiday regressed in his second season, Hans isn't very good and I would have liked a Holiday pick, but he isn't some elite game changer, and Perry Jones sure as heck isn't even close to being one. If you are going to harp on Tyler then simply looking at Birds' record on getting great returns without top picks far outshadows the Tyler mistep. All-Star Center at 17 anyone? Former All-Star small forward at 17? An elite talent from his draft at 10? Servicable players and high upside players from late in the draft (Price, Stephenson). His other mistake in Williams came as a result of swinging for the fences, instead of playing it conservatively, which is supposedly what his board is clamoring for...

I trust Bird, I love that we acquired Johnson, who looks to be a potential steal and has great tools, acquiring him lessens the hurt of drafting a guy like plumlee, especially considering backup center is one of our biggest needs, and Plumlee has the chance to be cheap and serviceable, which, in an era where even mediocre big men are coveted and payed accordingly may be a bigger asset than many here presume.


THIS! THis is what is at the heart of why people are blowing up over this pick. Larry Bird consistently takes mediocre 4 year college players over players that have real talent.

@ 6-11 I am would be making PJ3 my back up PF on day 1. Instead we get a back up center who didn't even play more than 20 mins a game in college. GO get the guy with talent.

It's the 26th pick.

Also Paul George says hello, Shawne Williams says hello, Lance Says Hello, James White... and supporting this we have... Tyler Hansbrough and a 26th pick, which almost never pan out anyway, meaning it is arguably wiser to go for someone that is likely to actually make the rotation, and lest we forget we DID buy a project player that looks like he has the talent to be a steal named Orlando Johnson.

It's delusional to expect some franchise changing move on draft night with the 26th pick of all ones. Will people be eating crow if we sign Goran Dragic soon into free agency, or trade for Kyle lowry (who was shopped for higher picks but didn't net any, and who is out the door) or heck even a move towards EG as longshot as it is.

If you actually look at who Bird has tended to draft they are mostly athletic unexperienced players with upside, just because he drafted Hansbrough once, and you don't like the 26th pick doesn't mean it's OK to fabricate evidence to support your prefered argument.

Also Perry Jones is incredibly overrated and already has severe knee problems to boot, I may have preferred him over plumlee, but come on, neither are likely to be huge contributers, but the chances of plumlee carving out a minor role in the rotation is greater than Perry Jones being anything resembling a real difference maker.

Lastly people, please stop and think before the forums becomes infested with irrational reactionary tripe like this one, and detracts from real serious discussion.

Free Agency is about to start people, and suddenly the sky is falling because we didn't completely just get a game changer armed with a very, very late first round pick? I'll be dissapointed too if we don't get at least one above average starting point guard who knows how to pass. Dragic is a real possibility, Lowry is a real possibility, Andre Miller would greatly improve our team, Signing Calderon for pennies if he were to be amnestied would make us much better, Steve Nash isn't out of the picture yet. Resigning Hibbert and getting any point guard near the caliber of those just listed is an absolute win and sets us up very, very well for next year and beyond.

So yes, if we don't enter next season with a good starting point guard, who has the size to feed the post well and having re-signed Roy I will be disappointed. However it is nothing but really, really, really silly to post embarrassing kneejerk when so much is going well for the Pacers, who just came off of our best season in almost a decade and who still have significant upside.

Nuntius
06-29-2012, 01:33 AM
That's what everyone said when bird passed on Holiday for Tyler. We still need an upgrade at PG and at backup PF.

And Jrue has yet to prove that he is a team's PG of the future.

Isaac
06-29-2012, 02:10 AM
I just read the specs on the guy, incredibly athletic near 7 footer who has tremendous rebounding ability (has posted a 22 rebound game in college) no offensive skills. Gee, do you think we might be trying to replace Jeff Foster? Gee, do you think we want a cheap option at backup center (because back up centers get way overpaid in free agency) gee could this be a frugal/prudent move that will free up free agent dollars for other more important positions (resigning Hill and Hibbert, possibly an important signing (Nash?) This forum is absurd. There are plenty of things going on here that make sense.

Everyone is mad cause we passed on some supposedly elite talent? So elite that he dropped all the way to 26? Give me a break. These people get paid to do this for a reason, let them do their jobs.

/thread

woowoo
06-29-2012, 03:29 AM
Well, my father-in-law, two brothers-in-law and I were seriously considering upgrading back up to season tickets from our 11-game mini-plans and officially decided against it during our draft party tonight. So it impacted the attendance by four people.

Oh Lord... the 26th pick in "a NBA DRAFT" dictates your decision whether or not to "upgrade"..


At "YOUR" draft party.... LOL.... A draft party for NBA??? OK...

and....

Oh Well............

woowoo
06-29-2012, 03:34 AM
This thread is absolutely ridiculous.

We had the 26th pick in the draft, EXPECTING huge moves is preposterous from that position, and furthermore it will look even more ridiculous if the reason we didn't make a huge move tonight is because we have something else lined up for the free agency period.

Even if we don't make a gigantic move this thread is STILL ridiculous, we had the 5th best record in the NBA last season, Frank Vogel is getting his first even training camp, Hibbert is likely to come back improved like he does every season, Paul George is primed to make a huge leap, We have the inside track to be the second seed in the Eastern Conference next season, and have every opportunity to make the conference finals and threaten Miami.

If this isn't enough to excite you for next season because we played the fricking 26th pick in the Draft safe then you are either incredibly flaky, or forgot the numerous other times when things WEREN'T looking bright, like things are now... SMH.


Right ON.....

Frostwolf
06-29-2012, 04:41 AM
you know what the most annoying thing is? it's not now, it's later next season whenever PJ3 puts up a game with good numbers people will be making threads and saying I TOLD YOU SO

15th parallel
06-29-2012, 04:42 AM
It's kind of funny that this thread has indirectly whipping on Tyler Hansbrough. Well Tyler struggled this season big time, sure. But he's not a bust that many here are making him out to be. At least he's still drawing more fouls and making more free throws than most of his teammates for a non-starter.

As for Miles, it is said he impressed the Pacers in workouts. So he'll do well for us I think. You never know how well he'll do until the upcoming season starts. He has the athleticism and the body and with influences like Foster and Hibbert, he might be able to improve and use his natural skills to be a defensive stopper and elite rebounder in the NBA. If we can add a skilled passer in the lineup then he'll be the main recipient of alley-oop passes ala DeAndre Jordan or Tyson Chandler.

As for not drafting PJ3, well 25 other teams passed on him before the Pacers drafted. And then still slipped after that. For a player relying heavily on athleticism, a serious flag on the knee is pretty much a concern. So you never know how much will he still remain as good as he is being projected by his fans here. Well I'm also disappointed in not drafting him simply because I can see other teams wanting him and we could've package him for a lower pick or two. But I guess drafting Miles and then OJ is not that bad of a draft overall. Let's evaluate once we got to see them play some games in the NBA.

woowoo
06-29-2012, 04:50 AM
It's kind of funny that this thread has indirectly whipping on Tyler Hansbrough. Well Tyler struggled this season big time, sure. But he's not a bust that many here are making him out to be. At least he's still drawing more fouls and making more free throws than most of his teammates for a non-starter.

As for Miles, it is said he impressed the Pacers in workouts. So he'll do well for us I think. You never know how well he'll do until the upcoming season starts. He has the athleticism and the body and with influences like Foster and Hibbert, he might be able to improve and use his natural skills to be a defensive stopper and elite rebounder in the NBA. If we can add a skilled passer in the lineup then he'll be the main recipient of alley-oop passes ala DeAndre Jordan or Tyson Chandler.

As for not drafting PJ3, well 25 other teams passed on him before the Pacers drafted. And then still slipped after that. For a player relying heavily on athleticism, a serious flag on the knee is pretty much a concern. So you never know how much will he still remain as good as he is being projected by his fans here. Well I'm also disappointed in not drafting him simply because I can see other teams wanting him and we could've package him for a lower pick or two. But I guess drafting Miles and then OJ is not that bad of a draft overall. Let's evaluate once we got to see them play some games in the NBA.


thank the Gods ... a voice of "reason"...


well said.

wintermute
06-29-2012, 05:09 AM
THIS! THis is what is at the heart of why people are blowing up over this pick. Larry Bird consistently takes mediocre 4 year college players over players that have real talent.


Bird likes taking 4 year players because its a strategy that's worked well for us. Hello Granger, hello Hibbert? Hans wasn't a great pick, I think most of us realize it now (certainly I'd pick someone else in a do-over, probably Lawson, another 4 year player ha). More importantly, Bird has shown he's willing to take younger players (Paul G, Lance) when warranted. I don't like the Plumlee pick either, but in the notoriusly chancy business of drafting, I think Bird has earned the benefit of the doubt with his choices.

pacers74
06-29-2012, 05:26 AM
Although this was a very puzzling pick I am not going jump off the deep end like many of the posters on here. The last 3 times we picked late in the first round we got David Harrison, Primoz Brezec, and Vonteego Cummings. Late first round picks are a crap shoot. Would I have rather had them pick PJ3, sure, but he dropped for a reason.
We also might have found a guy in the second round who looks like he could crack our rotation. Let's let this play out before everyone rushes to judgement and jump off of the boat.

Unclebuck
06-29-2012, 07:48 AM
. Let's evaluate once we got to see them play some games in the NBA.

The whole NBA draft should boil down to this.

I know nothing about him, but if he is anything like Jeff Foster, then I'm happy.

Ace E.Anderson
06-29-2012, 08:16 AM
Bird likes taking 4 year players because its a strategy that's worked well for us. Hello Granger, hello Hibbert? Hans wasn't a great pick, I think most of us realize it now (certainly I'd pick someone else in a do-over, probably Lawson, another 4 year player ha). More importantly, Bird has shown he's willing to take younger players (Paul G, Lance) when warranted. I don't like the Plumlee pick either, but in the notoriusly chancy business of drafting, I think Bird has earned the benefit of the doubt with his choices.

Ty Lawson wasn't a 4 year player

doctor-h
06-29-2012, 08:22 AM
This thread is absolutely ridiculous.

We had the 26th pick in the draft, EXPECTING huge moves is preposterous from that position, and furthermore it will look even more ridiculous if the reason we didn't make a huge move tonight is because we have something else lined up for the free agency period.

Even if we don't make a gigantic move this thread is STILL ridiculous, we had the 5th best record in the NBA last season, Frank Vogel is getting his first even training camp, Hibbert is likely to come back improved like he does every season, Paul George is primed to make a huge leap, We have the inside track to be the second seed in the Eastern Conference next season, and have every opportunity to make the conference finals and threaten Miami.

If this isn't enough to excite you for next season because we played the fricking 26th pick in the Draft safe then you are either incredibly flaky, or forgot the numerous other times when things WEREN'T looking bright, like things are now... SMH.

Your thought process is what is rediculous. We didn't have to make a gigantic move. It was right there for the taking. You think for 1 minute Plumlee is going to defend any of Miami's big three at the rim. He is not a shot blocker, is not a scorer, is not a perimeter defender. Could not improve enough in 5 years under one of the best coaches of all time to even get major minutes on his college team. A 7 footer with a 40 inch verticle could play with his head above the rim so keep drinking the cool aid. Dreiling, Gray, Brezec, Sundov, here we go again.

Unclebuck
06-29-2012, 08:24 AM
This quote from Frank Vogel explains a lot

http://www.indystar.com/article/20120629/SPORTS15/206290324/Bob-Kravitz-Pacers-Miles-Plumlee-not-last-memory-Larry-Bird-most-expected (http://www.indystar.com/article/20120629/SPORTS15/206290324/Bob-Kravitz-Pacers-Miles-Plumlee-not-last-memory-Larry-Bird-most-expected)

Our first scouting meeting, I jokingly asked, 'Are there any Jeff Fosters in the draft?' and four of our scouts said simultaneously, 'Miles Plumlee.' We've had our eye on him ever since. I know he's been a personal favorite of Larry Bird. We had a hunch about him. And his personal workout (http://www.indystar.com/article/20120629/SPORTS15/206290324/Bob-Kravitz-Pacers-Miles-Plumlee-not-last-memory-Larry-Bird-most-expected#) blew us away.''

Rogco
06-29-2012, 08:25 AM
I'm pretty sure the Pacers went into this draft with only one goal: To draft the oldest players available. It's the only explanation that makes sense.

Rogco
06-29-2012, 08:26 AM
This quote from Frank Vogel explains a lot

http://www.indystar.com/article/20120629/SPORTS15/206290324/Bob-Kravitz-Pacers-Miles-Plumlee-not-last-memory-Larry-Bird-most-expected (http://www.indystar.com/article/20120629/SPORTS15/206290324/Bob-Kravitz-Pacers-Miles-Plumlee-not-last-memory-Larry-Bird-most-expected)

Our first scouting meeting, I jokingly asked, 'Are there any Jeff Fosters in the draft?' and four of our scouts said simultaneously, 'Miles Plumlee.' We've had our eye on him ever since. I know he's been a personal favorite of Larry Bird. We had a hunch about him. And his personal workout (http://www.indystar.com/article/20120629/SPORTS15/206290324/Bob-Kravitz-Pacers-Miles-Plumlee-not-last-memory-Larry-Bird-most-expected#) blew us away.''

Damn, next year I hope he asks "Are there any Lebron James' in this draft" (No offense to Foster)

Really?
06-29-2012, 08:36 AM
I would not say empty them, but I think it will slow down the ticket sales, not because people won't want to see Plumlee play but it kind of took the excitement out of many fans. I don't think drafting PJIII would have boosted them much but it probably would have kept them at the same rate. I actually got kind of turned off when I saw the email that was sent out about purchasing season tickets earlier.

Unclebuck
06-29-2012, 08:41 AM
Damn, next year I hope he asks "Are there any Lebron James' in this draft" (No offense to Foster)


Yes I hope we can get a Lebron type player at the 26th pick.

CreekShow
06-29-2012, 08:57 AM
Fact is you still took a guy you could have easily gotten in the 2nd round. @ that point there were way better players, IMO, still on the board. Dont like the pick and sure as hell dont agree with it. No matter what you guys say abour attendance, I know its never a good thing to have an entire (or @ least 95 percent) fan base saying "What were you thinking?!" when you make a pick. Regardless if its #26 or not.

graphic-er
06-29-2012, 09:02 AM
As for not drafting PJ3, well 25 other teams passed on him before the Pacers drafted. And then still slipped after that. For a player relying heavily on athleticism, a serious flag on the knee is pretty much a concern. So you never know how much will he still remain as good as he is being projected by his fans here. Well I'm also disappointed in not drafting him simply because I can see other teams wanting him and we could've package him for a lower pick or two. But I guess drafting Miles and then OJ is not that bad of a draft overall. Let's evaluate once we got to see them play some games in the NBA.

Face palm. PJ3 relying on athleticism? His athleticism is icing on the cake. He actually has some skill and can do things with the ball. Plumlee is the one who is actually relying on athleticism, because he can't actually do anything with the ball.

Look I will give the guy a shot, cause he will probably be a serviceable back up center, but its the idea that there was much better talent and Plumlee could have been had much later in the draft.

Wayne Jarvis
06-29-2012, 09:35 AM
Seriously? The casual fan isn't paying attention to who the Pacers drafted at 26. We just went to the second round and battled the Heat, who won the championship. You are delusional if you think this has any impact on attendance.

I'd like to weigh in here. As someone who followed the Pacers closely through the ABA years and up through the early 2000's - I have to consider myself (now) a casual fan [I haven't watched more than a half dozen games in the past five years].

I've been paying attention to this team for the last several months and logging into PD several times a week. I had to laugh when I heard the pick last night - it was just another DOH! moment. Now I do agree that the 26th pick isn't a choice where anyone should expect lots of pop and sizzle, but I really believe it's imperative that the Pacers make some sort of move in the off season to stoke interest. My impression over the last several years is that after all the boat anchor contracts were cleared, we'd see some major upgrades (i.e. big name star player(s)). I have no idea what the FO is planning, but I do feel confident that there is only 1 way to win championships and that is with star players. You get them by FA or get lucky in the lottery (top pick, right year). It's become obvious that the super star players will only go to major market teams, so honestly I have trouble seeing that the Pacers haven't already hit their ceiling. There is a reason a lot of locals aren't enthusiastic about the NBA and it's not just the style of play and behavior of some of our previous knuckleheads (read: stacked deck).

Like I said, I AM a casual fan and hope we get a team built like what OKC has done.

MnvrChvy
06-29-2012, 10:10 AM
Yes I hope we can get a Lebron type player at the 26th pick.

Shoot... we'll never get a Lebron type player with the FIRST pick!

90'sNBARocked
06-29-2012, 10:16 AM
Obviously I join the rest of you in not being thrilled with this draft pick, however it is simply because everybody who was with me kept telling me that there were several other players better which I would have no idea of because I do not watch college ball at all.

But even so I don't think it's the end of the world kind of event. It's not a good pick and it might even be a miserable failure of a pick but at the 26th pick I can't see any player make or break you and if that is the case you are either really bad or that player must be very good.

Either way let's just hope that this and re-signing our own free agents is not the answer for this off season, because that IMO would be a terrible mistake.

Of course its not the end of the world, but fans like myself are extreemly tired of Bird not recognizing how to use the board to his advantage. He EASILY (unless they know something we dont) have gotten Mile with the 36th pick. Some of us fans are tired of going for singles. We would rather strike out going for a home run, then to grab yet another single

If any player becomes a stud , that was picked up after our pick, then that explains our frustration

Sure its only the 26th pick, but just like before Bird passes on what could easily be considered the steal in the draft. Last year Perry Jones 3 was considered a top 5 pick

Not the end of the world but depressing

rm1369
06-29-2012, 10:17 AM
Holiday regressed in his second season, Hans isn't very good and I would have liked a Holiday pick, but he isn't some elite game changer, and Perry Jones sure as heck isn't even close to being one.

If you put Holiday in a pacers uniform everyone on this board would love home just as much, if not more that Paul George.

Jrue's stats last year:
Reg season: 13.5 pts, 4.5 ast, 3.3 rebs
Playoffs: 15.8 pts, 5.2 ast, 4.7 rebs

Paul George:
Reg season: 12.1 pts, 2.4 ast, 5.6 rebs
Playoffs: 9 pts, 2.4 ast, 6.6 reb

Jrue is the same age (1 month younger) as PG, plays a much more difficult position to learn, and has much more competition for minutes in Phillys backcourt than PG does in the Pacers. Jrue Holiday is every bit the prospect PG is.

Speed
06-29-2012, 10:18 AM
On PJIII, there's a reason 27 teams passed on him, maybe they all were wrong. I guess we'll see.

rm1369
06-29-2012, 10:27 AM
On PJIII, there's a reason 27 teams passed on him, maybe they all were wrong. I guess we'll see.

And 25 passed on plumleee - whats the point? I'll Give OKC's front office the benefit of the doubt. They appear to recognize talent.

15th parallel
06-29-2012, 10:36 AM
Face palm. PJ3 relying on athleticism? His athleticism is icing on the cake. He actually has some skill and can do things with the ball. Plumlee is the one who is actually relying on athleticism, because he can't actually do anything with the ball.

Look I will give the guy a shot, cause he will probably be a serviceable back up center, but its the idea that there was much better talent and Plumlee could have been had much later in the draft.

He was passed 27 times. A top-5 prospect falling to 28 should at least make you wonder what the heck is wrong. Now, falling that hard in the draft is something that will make you think that other teams know something about his health that we don't. It may have been conservative pick, but at the end of the day it is still a late first rounder in a relatively mediocre draft.

Rogco
06-29-2012, 10:56 AM
On PJIII, there's a reason 27 teams passed on him, maybe they all were wrong. I guess we'll see.
On Chumlee there's a reason 25 teams passed on him, and 29 teams laughed when the Pacers picked him...

Rogco
06-29-2012, 10:56 AM
He was passed 27 times. A top-5 prospect falling to 28 should at least make you wonder what the heck is wrong. Now, falling that hard in the draft is something that will make you think that other teams know something about his health that we don't. It may have been conservative pick, but at the end of the day it is still a late first rounder in a relatively mediocre draft.

People were saying pretty definitively that it had nothing to do with health. I think there were some serious red flags in the background checks.

Hicks
06-29-2012, 11:18 AM
We don't know that. None of these players have ever played an NBA game. It is not a fact, not at all. I'm willing to trust Bird and our scouts

If he is what most fear he is, are any of you saying this going to care to admit it in 3 years? This is the usual discussion. By the time one side is proven wrong, it's been years so they don't care anymore.

Hicks
06-29-2012, 11:23 AM
At "YOUR" draft party.... LOL.... A draft party for NBA??? OK...


Uh, why not? I was at a 'draft party' last night, too.

Unclebuck
06-29-2012, 11:26 AM
If he is what most fear he is, are any of you saying this going to care to admit it in 3 years? This is the usual discussion. By the time one side is proven wrong, it's been years so they don't care anymore.

I never or very, very rarely know anything about any of the college players. I haven't the slightest idea whether Plum will be any good. In fact I had never heard of him until David Stern announced the Pacers had drafted him.

I only judge players by what they do in the NBA. if he is a bust, then I'll say he was a bust. But I must admit my expectations for a 26th pick are pretty low. If he is still on the roster in 4 years, if he is playing at all, then IMO he is far from a bust.

Would I classify David Harrison as a bust? No, he was worth the risk for that low of a pick. Most players taken in that range don't work out. if he was taken in the top 15 or so then yes he was a bust.

15th parallel
06-29-2012, 11:53 AM
On Chumlee there's a reason 25 teams passed on him, and 29 teams laughed when the Pacers picked him...

Well a projected 2nd rounder being drafted as a late 1st rounder will raise eyebrows, certainly. And of course it's natural that he'll be passed that much given that he's projected that low.

15th parallel
06-29-2012, 11:57 AM
People were saying pretty definitively that it had nothing to do with health. I think there were some serious red flags in the background checks.

Didn't know that one as I have not much idea about him. But it's probably the reason why the Pacers didn't gamble on him.

rm1369
06-29-2012, 12:12 PM
Didn't know that one as I have not much idea about him. But it's probably the reason why the Pacers didn't gamble on him.

I don't understand the logic some use. In one breath we are told its the 26th pick and we will be lucky if he contributes at all, so why even care. In another breath we are told the PJIII is not worth the gamble because of either injury or attitude concerns. I'm confused, does the 26th pick in the draft matter or not?

If PJIII has attitude concerns, he will still have trade value two years from now - most teams will gamble on talent. If plumlee shows the same as he showed in college, he has no value - to the team or in trade.

Bball
06-29-2012, 12:14 PM
Well, here's how I look at it:
The first goal with the draft should be to improve your team.
The second goal should be to move the needle... create interest... hype... whatever... to if not sell tickets at least get some press and as many casual fans and hardcore fans as possible talking positively and hopefully (and the press). Allow fans to dream.

If you accomplish the 1st goal then the 2nd goal will take care of itself sooner or later.

OTOH, when you are picking 26th it's going to be hard to actually make a pick that will improve the team. It will be hard to make a pick that will even stick in the NBA. So then you have to start considering that 2nd goal. At #26 you can take a risk that you might not want to take with a better, much higher pick (where you can't afford to get it wrong).

The Pacers certainly left some names on the draft board that would've had people talking (in a positive way) even if there were some health questions or whatever. When players drop they tend to drop for a reason. OTOH, you're picking 26th so you don't have a lot to lose by taking a gamble on one of them and their upside. And if the player you pick flames out, few would blame you for taking a chance on that player late in the draft.

OTOH, skip any players in that group and go with a player who appears maxed out already, didn't have a particularly noteworthy college career, has several people asking 'who?', wasn't on anybody's radar for the Pacers, was likely not even going to be picked in the 1st round.... and you've squarely painted yourself into a corner hoping not only that player pans out but needing to be right about the players you passed on. You missed the chance to move the needle in any positive direction, even if it was short term. If Pawnstars Plumlee doesn't pan out then you not only missed the chance long term to make a difference, you missed it short term as well.

IMHO At #26 the odds aren't good that Plumlee will bring you any down the road moving of that needle, and obviously didn't move it positively for the off season, so it leaves me wondering "WTF?"

I don't see a BPA argument here.

BigAndy
06-29-2012, 12:41 PM
It isn't right to overreact, since it was just the 26 pick and they usually don't turn into much, but the problem is is that we passed up several good players and could have gotten PJ3. It's not that big of a deal, but it feels like the feeling you get when you buy something and get home only to find out that a much better version is on sale at a different store and you just spent all your money on the one that everyone says doesn't work.

HC
06-29-2012, 07:00 PM
We don't know that. None of these players have ever played an NBA game. It is not a fact, not at all. I'm willing to trust Bird and our scouts

When you look at the vast majority of the criteria used to evaluate draft picks then yes....it is a fact.