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Jeremy
06-27-2012, 07:30 AM
http://www.prosportsdaily.com/articles/pistons-trade-ben-gordon-to-bobcats-for-corey-maggette-680485.html


"The Pistons are back to wheeling and dealing, making their first significant trade in nearly three years, trading guard Ben Gordon and a future protected first-round pick to the Charlotte Bobcats for Corey Maggette.

The draft pick is fully lottery protected for next year, top-8 protected for year 2, top-1 protected for year 3 and unprotected in year 4. Immediately though, the Pistons save $15 million in dollars over the next two years, as Maggette is on an expiring contract.

Gordon is owed $25 million over the next two seasons."Not much I need to say but that the Bobcats got a steal.

FlavaDave
06-27-2012, 08:21 AM
Really? Saving money for one year is worth a first rounder? Are they going to sign Dwight next year or something?

Jeremy
06-27-2012, 08:34 AM
Really? Saving money for one year is worth a first rounder? Are they going to sign Dwight next year or something?

Not to mention giving up the best player in the deal and getting a chucker in return.

Heisenberg
06-27-2012, 08:50 AM
So I have to watch Corey Maggette play "basketball" what, 2 more times next season than I would have? Gross.

xtacy
06-27-2012, 09:10 AM
So I have to watch Corey Maggette play "basketball" what, 2 more times next season than I would have? Gross.

his nickname "bad porn" makes me laugh every single time.

sure there is penetration and scoring but do you really want to watch this? hilarious.

and there is this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcVp081yz4o

btw almost 4 years on the board still don't know how to add a video to post.

spreedom
06-27-2012, 09:14 AM
Not to mention giving up the best player in the deal and getting a chucker in return.

Ben Gordon isn't a chucker too?

And I'd say we should wait for the rest of the chips to fall before ripping this deal for Detroit... if they can find a taker for Villanueva (LOL) or Prince, they can be pretty comfortably under the cap next summer.

BRushWithDeath
06-27-2012, 09:18 AM
I like this trade more for Detroit than Charlotte. Is a 2015 draft pick really worth $15 million?

Strummer
06-27-2012, 09:43 AM
I like this trade more for Detroit than Charlotte. Is a 2015 draft pick really worth $15 million?

Charlotte was probably going to have to do something to get up to the league minimum team salary in 2013 anyway. This doesn't seem to be an unreasonable way to do it. It's kind of like signing a free agent to a one year $13 million contract but with a first round pick added as a bonus.

xBulletproof
06-27-2012, 09:53 AM
I like this trade more for Detroit than Charlotte. Is a 2015 draft pick really worth $15 million?


If Ben plays like he did in Chicago they also got their best player in the deal. As sad as that is.

Manguera
06-27-2012, 09:55 AM
I understand Charlotte dumping Maggette for the future pick, but doesn't Gordon= Kemba? How's that gonna work?

FlavaDave
06-27-2012, 10:09 AM
I understand Charlotte dumping Maggette for the future pick, but doesn't Gordon= Kemba? How's that gonna work?

When you are as bad as the Bobcats, you can't look free talent in the mouth. They are way too far away from being a good team to nitpick about position/role.

Another factor in this is the fact that, without that pick, Detroit loses four years of cheap, talented labor. That will set them back a bit. The Pacers wouldn't have a top 5 team with cap room if we didn't have Hans, Collison, and PG on rookie deals. Drafting guys who are ready to play and can give you 4 years of underpaid rotation play is an underrated strategy in team building. It is the reason why the Spurs traded Hill for Leonard, and it is why I believe the Pacers will try to trade Collison or Hans in a similar deal.

ballism
06-27-2012, 10:15 AM
and there is this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcVp081yz4o


awesome!

Lance George
06-27-2012, 01:15 PM
his nickname "bad porn" makes me laugh every single time.

sure there is penetration and scoring but do you really want to watch this? hilarious.

and there is this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcVp081yz4o

btw almost 4 years on the board still don't know how to add a video to post.

http://oi46.tinypic.com/f09lwk.jpg

Go to the video you want to add/embed...

1. Click on Share.
2. Click on Embed.
3. Copy the Embed Code that's highlighted in blue.
4. Paste the Embed Code on the board.

That's it.

There will also be some check-boxes underneath the embed code that can change the size of the video, etc., but you don't have to deal with that if you don't want.

Peck
06-27-2012, 01:24 PM
I like this trade more for Detroit than Charlotte. Is a 2015 draft pick really worth $15 million?

Over the length of a rookie contract? Sure.

If it is a top 10 pick, which is not out of the question, most likely.

If it is a top 5 pick, without a doubt (unless you draft dud).

ballism
06-27-2012, 08:28 PM
I like this trade more for Detroit than Charlotte. Is a 2015 draft pick really worth $15 million?


Over the length of a rookie contract? Sure.

If it is a top 10 pick, which is not out of the question, most likely.

If it is a top 5 pick, without a doubt (unless you draft dud).

I like it for both teams, actually, although the Pistons side is a little risky.

The Bobcats get a free pick, obviously. They have to spend that money anyway because of minimum payroll rules, and it's not their time to sign big free agents yet.
And who knows, maybe they get extremely lucky. The Cavs ended up with Kyrie Irving in a similar deal.

But it makes sense for the Pistons, too.
If they waited till 2014 when Ben Gordon and Charlie-V expire, they wouldn't have any cap anyway. Stuckey and Monroe deals/extensions would kick in, and there would be other players. Best case scenario, they'd use amnesty (on Prince) and still have under 10 mil in cap.

But now, they can make their moves next summer. If they amnesty Charlie-V, they can have enough cap to sign a max player in 2013.
Giving an offer sheet to Ibaka would make a ton of sense, for example.
They could probably also trade Prince for expiring, and then they could even get several pieces at ~ 10 mil salary each. Josh Smith and Iggy could be there. Both make sense in Detroit.

Yes, they give up a pick, likely mid first round.
But they already have 2-3 future starters with Monroe, Stuckey and probably Knight. They can get one more in this draft. They won't be bad for long.
So it makes sense to get that final piece(s) in free agency while they can, rather than wait until 2014 when they'll have no cap or high picks and become the Hawks, basically.

Larry Staverman
06-28-2012, 08:18 AM
But now, they can make their moves next summer. If they amnesty Charlie-V, they can have enough cap to sign a max player in 2013.


With Dumars recent history of using cap space to sign free agents that would scare the hell out of me if I were a Pistons fan!

Kstat
06-28-2012, 08:23 AM
He's had his good moments and his bad ones. I'm not going to stress over it.

If the pistons miss the playoffs this season, he won't be here next year, so we will find out soon if he can build another winner.

ballism
06-28-2012, 08:52 AM
With Dumars recent history of using cap space to sign free agents that would scare the hell out of me if I were a Pistons fan!

in hindsight, yes. but to be honest, i would've done something similar.

it's like the Pacers this year. we have 10 mil in cap. if we don't use it, it's gone. For example, if we can't get any great fit, but we have an option to get Batum by overpaying him 25% or so, what do we do? I'd get Batum. Then you can trade him (or Danny, or PG).
That's what Dumars basically did. Gordon was an 8-9 mil guy who got 11-12 mil, and he wasn't needed there. Charlie looked like a midlevel guy and got ~7.5 mil.

I'm fine with that strategy. But for it to work, you need (A) for those guys to stay 25% overpaid, not 250% overpaid; (B) strong ownership that allows you to make moves. Neither of those happened.

Kstat
06-28-2012, 09:05 AM
in hindsight, yes. but to be honest, i would've done something similar.

it's like the Pacers this year. we have 10 mil in cap. if we don't use it, it's gone. For example, if we can't get any great fit, but we have an option to get Batum by overpaying him 25% or so, what do we do? I'd get Batum. Then you can trade him (or Danny, or PG).
That's what Dumars basically did. Gordon was an 8-9 mil guy who got 11-12 mil, and he wasn't needed there. Charlie looked like a midlevel guy and got ~7.5 mil.

I'm fine with that strategy. But for it to work, you need (A) for those guys to stay 25% overpaid, not 250% overpaid; (B) strong ownership that allows you to make moves. Neither of those happened.

This is as good a description on the situation as I've heard.

Again, he wasn't allowed to fix his mistakes either. He was stuck with that group for 3 years, and no ownership to sign off on any more changes.

ballism
06-28-2012, 09:08 AM
He's had his good moments and his bad ones. I'm not going to stress over it.

If the pistons miss the playoffs this season, he won't be here next year, so we will find out soon if he can build another winner.

have there been any such indications from the new owner? or does his contract expire next year?
i suppose they could compete for one of the last seeds next year.
but 2013-14 seems like the sensible date for a big jump, so if you are going to fire him, it would make much more sense do it now, or give him two years.

Kstat
06-28-2012, 09:13 AM
Tim Gores said he expects the team to be in the playoffs, this year. That is as direct as he's going to get concerning team management.