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1. New Orleans

Anthony Davis
Position: PF
Height: 6-foot-11
Weight: 222 pounds
Age: 19
School: Kentucky

Analysis: The Hornets' big trade with the Wizards last week
put their blueprint in sharp relief. This team is going
young and will build around Davis. While they won't be great
next season, they're building a rock-solid foundation. In
addition to the No. 1 pick, they now have plenty of cap room
to re-sign Eric Gordon and another significant free agent,
plus the No. 10 pick.

2. Charlotte

Thomas Robinson
Position: PF
Height: 6-foot-9
Weight: 244 pounds
Age: 21
School: Kansas

Analysis: Robinson is a bit of a placeholder right now. The
Bobcats have had all the major players in for workouts, but
are in the process of seeing if they'd be better off trading
this pick. As we've reported the past three weeks, they're
looking for multiple young assets in return.

The most likely scenario has the Bobcats swapping the No. 2
pick with Cleveland for the No. 4 pick and either pick No.
24 or picks Nos. 33 and 34. Obviously the Bobcats would
prefer the 24th pick, but the Cavs would prefer to hold on
to it. While the Cavs aren't the only team that's in play
for the pick, they have the most realistic scenario right
now and would likely take Bradley Beal at No. 2. But if the
Bobcats keep the pick, it sounds like Robinson has a slight
edge here.

3. Washington

Bradley Beal
Position: SG
Height: 6-foot-5
Weight: 202 pounds
Age: 18
School: Florida

Analysis: The Wizards made the first big trade of the
offseason, sending Rashard Lewis and the 46th pick to New
Orleans for Emeka Okafor and Trevor Ariza. With the deal,
the Wizards essentially upgraded their front court -- Okafor
will likely be their starting 5, Nene their starting 4 and
Ariza their starting 3.

With John Wall running the point, that leaves them with one
big hole at the 2. I think this makes Bradley Beal a
no-brainer for the Wizards, who are lacking a lights-out
perimeter shooter. He's a perfect fit for this new roster.
And if the Wizards believe they are in danger of losing
Beal, don't be surprised if they offer the Bobcats the No.
32 pick to move up one spot. If Beal is off the board, it
looks like Harrison Barnes is plan B.

4. Cleveland

Harrison Barnes
Position: SF
Height: 6-foot-8
Weight: 228 pounds
Age: 20
School: North Carolina

Analysis: Ideally, the Cavs would like to move up to the No.
2 spot to grab Beal. But the price is high and they may
decide to settle at No. 4. If they do, they have a tough
choice between Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Harrison Barnes.

Over the past few days, it appears Barnes has moved ahead of
Kidd-Gilchrist on the Cavs' board. The team needs shooters
and feels like he's further along. They love Kidd-Gilchrist
too, but it sounds like he's become a tougher sell thanks to
his limited offensive repertoire.

5. Sacramento

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Position: SF
Height: 6-foot-8
Weight: 233 pounds
Age: 18
School: Kentucky

Analysis: In a lot of ways, if Kidd-Gilchrist falls here,
it's a godsend for Sacramento. The Kings are loaded with
players who want to jack up 20 shots a game. Kidd-Gilchrist
is the only guy in this range that can dramatically impact
the game without the ball in his hands. He's also a
high-character player who will add toughness and a winning
attitude to the locker room.

The Kings have also explored trading down in the draft (the
Rockets seem to be the team with the most interest) and
could look to add players such as John Henson (whom they've
been high on all year) and Moe Harkless (who works out for
them on Monday) if they swap No. 5 for Houston's Nos. 14 and
16.

6. Portland (via Nets)

Damian Lillard
Position: PG
Height: 6-foot-3
Weight: 189 pounds
Age: 21
School: Weber State

Analysis: The Blazers need a point guard and a big man.
They'll have to make a very tough choice here between
Lillard and Andre Drummond. Lillard is a steady, athletic
guard who can shoot the lights out and get to the rim.
Drummond is a super athletic big man who can block shots.
While teams usually opt for size, the fact that Drummond is
two to three years away might tip the scale toward Lillard.
The Blazers, remember, aren't rebuilding, they're retooling.
Dion Waiters is the sleeper pick here.

7. Golden State

Andre Drummond
Position: C
Height: 7-foot-0
Weight: 279 pounds
Age: 18
School: UConn

Analysis: The Warriors are desperate to add an athletic big
to their front line. So Drummond should be a no-brainer,
right? Wrong. The front office and ownership also love
players with a great motor, which Drummond lacks. But while
he's not an ideal fit, I don't think the Warriors will be
able to pass on Drummond if he slides this far. If they do
pass on him, however, Dion Waiters and Tyler Zeller are in
the mix.

The dark-horse pick is Washington's Terrence Ross. Jerry
West is a big fan and was the mastermind behind last year's
Klay Thompson pick. Ross isn't a perfect fit either, but the
Warriors will focus on collecting assets at this point.

8. Toronto

Dion Waiters
Position: SG
Height: 6-foot-4
Weight: 221 pounds
Age: 20
School: Syracuse

Analysis: I don't believe the Raptors promised to pick
Waiters at No. 8; most signs point to the Suns making him
that promise at No. 13. However, Toronto is the only team
that has worked him out and really needs a guard who can get
to the basket at will.

Jeremy Lamb and Austin Rivers are also possibilities here,
but from everything I can gather, Waiters is in the lead.

9. Detroit

Meyers Leonard
Position: C
Height: 7-foot-1
Weight: 250 pounds
Age: 20
School: Illinois

Analysis: The Pistons had a huge workout scheduled for
Monday with Leonard, Tyler Zeller, Perry Jones, Terrence
Jones, John Henson and Jared Sullinger. Going into the
workout, it looked like Leonard and Henson had a slight edge
over the rest of the group.

The Pistons really want to move Greg Monroe back over to the
4 and need a big, physical center to guard the paint.
Leonard could be that guy. However, the team also sees
Henson, with his elite shot-blocking ability, as a potential
fit, and he could very well be the guy.

10. New Orleans (via Wolves)

Austin Rivers
Position: SG
Height: 6-foot-5
Weight: 203 pounds
Age: 19
School: Duke

Analysis: After the first nine picks, things start to break
down a little bit. The Hornets can go in a lot of directions
and are also exploring trades. Sources say they offered the
Rockets the 10th pick for Nos. 14 and 16 but were turned
down last week.

If they keep the pick, they really need help at center,
point guard and small forward. While Rivers doesn't fill any
of those positions, I'm told the Hornets have been enamored
with him. Tyler Zeller, Jeremy Lamb and Moe Harkless are
other possibilities here.

11. Portland

Tyler Zeller
Position: C
Height: 7-foot-0
Weight: 247 pounds
Age: 22
School: North Carolina

Analysis: If the Blazers go with a guard at No. 6, don't be
surprised if they go big with their other selection. Zeller
isn't a sexy pick, but he is capable of playing right now,
has solid size for his position and runs the floor well.
Other possibilities here include Dion Waiters, Austin
Rivers, Jeremy Lamb and Terrence Ross.

12. Milwaukee

Terrence Ross
Position: SG
Height: 6-foot-7
Weight: 197 pounds
Age: 21
School: Washington

Analysis: The Bucks really need a center, but with the top
three big men off the board, I think they'll decide to
reverse gears and fill a need in their backcourt. The Bucks
are devoid of shooters and Ross has a very pretty stroke and
good size for his position. Lamb and Harkless are other
possibilities here.

13. Phoenix

Jeremy Lamb
Position: SG
Height: 6-foot-5
Weight: 179 pounds
Age: 20
School: UConn

Analysis: Lamb suffered a high ankle sprain in a workout in
Toronto and has struggled to get well enough again to resume
workouts. While GMs think he's talented, they have
questioned his toughness. His inability to work out has hurt
him a bit, too.

However, Lamb went into Phoenix over the weekend and toughed
out a workout on the bad ankle. A source in Phoenix told me
they were actually impressed with his toughness and
willingness to fight through the workout. His performance
there could keep him in the lottery. If Lamb is gone,
Terrence Ross, Dion Waiters and Austin Rivers are all
possibilities here. So is Arnett Moultrie.

14. Houston

John Henson
Position: PF
Height: 6-foot-10
Weight: 216 pounds
Age: 21
School: North Carolina

Analysis: The Rockets have to be disappointed that all of
the top wings and top centers are off the board at No. 14.
They've been very active in trade calls and are looking at
everything from moving up into the top five (I believe Andre
Drummond is their target) to moving out of the draft.

The name of the game for Houston now is all about collecting
assets. Henson is both a terrific shot-blocker and
rebounder. He lacks strength, but he's rangy. If he bulks
up, he could be a force in the paint down the road.

15. Philadelphia

Perry Jones III
Position: PF
Height: 6-foot-11
Weight: 234 pounds
Age: 20
School: Baylor

Analysis: Jones may be the toughest player in the draft to
project right now. Everyone is both scared to take him and
scared not to take him. I heard the same assessment from a
number of NBA GMs over the past few weeks.

Whichever GM overcomes his fear first gets a 6-foot-11 super
athletic forward who lacks the motor or toughness that
teams usually look for in a big man. At some point the
reward outweighs the risk and that calculation probably
starts here. Terrence Ross, Arnett Moultrie, Moe Harkless
and Jared Sullinger are other possibilities here.

16. Houston (via Knicks)

Moe Harkless
Position: SF
Height: 6-foot-9
Weight: 207 pounds
Age: 19
School: St. John's

Analysis: The Rockets are looking for assets as they try to
package players to facilitate a trade. Adding Harkless to
their stock of young players may be a smart move. Lots of
teams have shown interest in him. He is athletic, has great
upside and can defend multiple positions. He's sort of a
young Trevor Ariza.

17. Dallas

Terrence Jones
Position: PF
Height: 6-foot-10
Weight: 252 pounds
Age: 20
School: Kentucky

Analysis: Rejoice, Mavs fans. After weeks and weeks of
having Kendall Marshall going No. 17 to the Mavs, we have a
new name for you. While I still believe the Mavs really like
Marshall, it would be tough to pass on Jones here. His
versatility, rebounding and shot-blocking would all be
welcome in Big D. The Mavs are another team that has been
actively exploring moving up in the draft the past few days.

18. Wolves (via Jazz)

Arnett Moultrie
Position: PF
Height: 6-foot-11
Weight: 223 pounds
Age: 21
School: Mississippi State

Analysis: The Wolves are really hoping that a sweet-shooting
2-guard falls to them here. Alas, it looks like they'll all
be taken in the lottery. That leaves them with three
options: (1) They can go with an athletic big man, such as
Moultrie, Fab Melo or a real dark horse like Miles Plumlee;
(2) they can reach for the next best 2-guard, Will Barton;
(3) they could try to use forward Derrick Williams as trade
bait to move up in the draft.

19. Orlando

Jared Sullinger
Position: PF
Height: 6-foot-9
Weight: 268 pounds
Age: 20
School: Ohio State

Analysis: I'm not sure when the bleeding will end for
Sullinger, whose stock is falling now that concerns about
his back have every GM in the league a bit skittish.
However, sources say the Suns and Sixers are still
considering him in the mid-first round.

The Magic could also use a real low-post scorer. Sullinger
is the top talent left on the board and a player who could
come in and immediately contribute.

20. Denver

Kendall Marshall
Position: PG
Height: 6-foot-4
Weight: 198 pounds
Age: 20
School: North Carolina

Analysis: Andre Miller's contract is up with the Nuggets
this summer and, in most every way, Marshall is the perfect
replacement. They have similar builds and games. While Ty
Lawson is the clear starter in Denver, the Nuggets could
really use depth at the position. Royce White and Andrew
Nicholson are both options here as well.

21. Boston

Royce White
Position: SF
Height: 6-foot-8
Weight: 261 pounds
Age: 21
School: Iowa State

Analysis: According to sources, White pulled out of all his
remaining workouts Thursday and has gone silent. He's not
injured, and sources claim he's received a coveted
first-round promise from a team. Promises are notoriously
hard to pin down, but two sources are pointing in the
direction of the Celtics.

As long as coach Doc Rivers can buy into what White is (a
ballhandling power forward) and figure out how to play him,
he could be a steal at this point in the draft.

22. Boston (via Clippers)

Andrew Nicholson
Position: PF
Height: 6-foot-10
Weight: 234 pounds
Age: 22
School: St. Bonaventure

Analysis: Nicholson is another draft sleeper who might
really rise with workouts. He's a big stretch 4 who has
drawn some comparisons to David West. He would be another
welcome addition to the Celtics' summer makeover.

23. Atlanta

Tony Wroten Jr.
Position: PG
Height: 6-foot-6
Weight: 203 pounds
Age: 18
School: Washington

Analysis: The Hawks don't have any depth behind point guard
Jeff Teague. Sources say that over the past few weeks
they've become enamored with Wroten. His shot is broken and
he can be wild, but he has enormous upside as a big point
guard who can see the floor and get to the basket.

24. Cavs (via Lakers)

Fab Melo
Position: C
Height: 7-foot
Weight: 255 pounds
Age: 22
School: Syracuse

Analysis: If the Cavs go small with their first pick, Melo
could be a nice get with No. 24. He's big and athletic and
he could end up being a terrific shot-blocker. The fact that
they have fellow Brazilian Anderson Varejao to mentor him
is a bonus.

25. Memphis

Marquis Teague
Position: PG
Height: 6-foot-2
Weight: 180 pounds
Age: 19
School: Kentucky

Analysis: The Grizzlies lack great depth at the point guard
position behind Mike Conley (unless you're the guy who
somehow voted Josh Selby to the all-rookie third team).
Teague, had he stayed in school another year, would've been
a likely top-10 pick in 2013. For a team like the Grizzlies,
they can't afford to pass on his talent here.

26. Indiana

Draymond Green
Position: SF
Height: 6-foot-8
Weight: 236 pounds
Age: 22
School: Michigan State

Analysis: The Pacers have a big workout scheduled for
Tuesday with Green, Will Barton, Kim English and Jeff Taylor
which could decide the No. 26 pick. I'm hearing
increasingly that the Pacers are very high on Green. He's a
smart, tough player who can come in and fill a need
immediately for Indiana. Larry Bird has made similar picks
in years past and done OK with them. I don't think Green
slides past here. If he's off the board, Barton could be the
guy.

27. Miami

Jeff Taylor
Position: SF
Height: 6-foot-7
Weight: 212 pounds
Age: 23
School: Vanderbilt

Analysis: The Heat could use Taylor's elite athletic
ability, lockdown defense and spot-up shooting. He can't
create his own shot, but no one will ask him to in Miami,
making this the perfect spot for him to land.

28. Oklahoma City

Evan Fournier
Position: SG
Height: 6-foot-7
Weight: 206 pounds
Age: 19
Country: France

Analysis: Fournier is the type of player that the Thunder
can easily stash for a year or two in Europe. Or, given the
high level he has played at in France, he might be able to
come in and get minutes for them right away -- especially if
the Thunder decide they can't afford to re-sign James
Harden this summer.

29. Chicago

Will Barton
Position: SG
Height: 6-foot-6
Weight: 174 pounds
Age: 21
School: Memphis

Analysis:The Bulls are looking at a number of 2-guard
options here, but over the past few weeks, Barton has
separated himself from the pack. He could go as high as 18
to the Wolves and I don't think he slides past Chicago here.

30. Golden State (via Spurs)

Quincy Miller
Position: SF
Height: 6-foot-10
Weight: 219 pounds
Age: 19
School: Baylor

Analysis: There are a lot of concerns about his knee and
what position he'll play in the NBA. But his upside is so
high that it might be worth taking a gamble this low in the
first round. There's very little risk and a lot of potential
reward here.


31. Charlotte Bobcats

Kim English | SG | Missouri

If the Bobcats go big with their first pick, don't be
surprised if they go with a shooter at No. 31. English's
stock has risen through the roof the last month as he has
wowed teams with his shooting ability in workouts. He's now
getting serious consideration in the late first round. I
don't think he slides out of the 30s on draft night.


32. Washington Wizards

Scott Machado | PG | Iona

No one in Washington is totally sure whether John Wall is
really a point guard. Machado, however, is the second-best
pure point guard in the draft. He lacks Wall's athletic
abilities, but some believe he sees the floor as well or
better than Kendall Marshall. He'd be a very nice get for
the Wizards at 32.


33. Cleveland Cavaliers

John Jenkins | SG | Vanderbilt

The Cavs are hoping to load up on shooters and need help at
the 2. Jenkins may be the best long-range sniper in the
draft. He has a super-quick release and is aggressive
hunting for his shot.


34. Cleveland Cavaliers (via New Orleans)

Kostas Papanikolaou | SF | Greece

Papanikolaou really impressed a number of NBA GMs and scouts
at the Euroleague Final Four this year with his lockdown
defense on Andrei Kirilenko. Ironically, the player he's
compared to the most is Omri Casspi, the Cavs' current
starting small forward. Papanikolaou is a draft-and-stash
prospect. He won't be in the NBA for at least one more
season.


35. Golden State Warriors (via Brooklyn)

Kyle O'Quinn | C | Norfolk State

The Warriors feel that O'Quinn is an underrated big who
plays hard and has the length to be a 5 in the league. Yes,
they took Andre Drummond at No. 7 in our mock, but in the
NBA, you need all the bigs you can get.


36. Sacramento Kings

Miles Plumlee | PF | Duke

Plumlee's stock has also risen dramatically over the course
of the last month. Despite his pedestrian numbers at Duke,
teams are intrigued with his elite athletic abilities and
rebounding. Could be the next Jeff Foster.


37. Toronto Raptors

Jared Cunningham | SG | Oregon State

Many scouts believe Cunningham could be the true sleeper of
this draft. He's an elite athlete who flies up and down the
floor. If he can make the transition to point guard, he
could be a sort of poor man's Russell Westbrook.


38. Denver Nuggets (via Golden State)

Mike Scott | PF | Virginia

Scott is another player who has been moving up draft boards
with excellent workouts. Several teams said he has outplayed
several higher-ranked prospects in their workouts, and it's
clear Scott is getting some looks late in the first round.
The Nuggets know all about drafting for production. It paid
off with Kenneth Faried last year and could again this year.


39. Detroit Pistons

Festus Ezeli | C | Vanderbilt

The Pistons have a dearth of big men in the middle, and if
Ezeli slides this far, they'll snatch him right up. He's not
flashy, but he could have a long career as a backup 5 in
the league.


40. Portland Trail Blazers (via Minnesota)

Orlando Johnson | SG | UC-Santa Barbara

Johnson was one of the best scorers in college basketball.
His freakishly long wingspan, NBA body and shooting ability
could all come in handy to provide depth for the Blazers.


41. Portland Trail Blazers

Tomas Satoransky | SG | Czech Republic

Satoransky is a super-talented wing who excels with the ball
in his hands. He's not a great shooter but plays with a
great motor, like Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, and can affect the
game without scoring. He would be a nice stash pick for the
Blazers here.


42. Milwaukee Bucks

Furkan Aldemir | PF | Turkey

The Turkish big man is an excellent rebounder. However, he
lacks elite athleticism and ideal size for his position,
dropping him into the second round.


43. Atlanta Hawks (via Phoenix)

Doron Lamb | SG | Kentucky

The Hawks can always use guards who can really stroke the
basketball. Lamb is in contention with John Jenkins for the
best sniper in the draft.


44. Detroit Pistons (via Houston)

Kevin Murphy | SF | Tennessee Tech

The Pistons could really use another shooter at the wings.
Murphy was one of the best scorers in college basketball,
shooting 42 percent from beyond the arc.


45. Philadelphia 76ers

Darius Miller | SF | Kentucky The Sixers are another team in
desperate need of shooting, and Miller has both great size
and a sweet shooting stroke. While he was just a sixth man
at Kentucky, he's still a great pickup here.


46. New Orleans Hornets (via Washington)

Tyshawn Taylor | PG | Kansas

This is a steal for the Hornets if they can get Taylor here.
Several teams in the late first round are looking at him as
a possible selection. I doubt he slides past here. The
Hornets need a point guard, and Taylor's athletic ability
and defensive prowess should make him well worth the pick.


47. Utah Jazz

Robbie Hummel | SF | Purdue

Hummel is a Jazz player all the way. He's tough, has a
terrific basketball IQ and can really shoot the basketball.
The Jazz could use some help at the 3, and Hummel should be
able to provide some immediate relief.


48. New York Knicks

Jae Crowder | SF | Marquette

With Mike Woodson running the show instead of Mike D'Antoni,
expect the Knicks to be looking for a different sort of
player in the second round. Crowder doesn't really have a
position in the NBA, but he's tough and physical, and he can
rebound.


49. Orlando Magic

Chris Johnson | SG | Dayton

Johnson came into OKC earlier in the draft process and
impressed with his combination of shooting, length and
athleticism. With OKC assistant GM Rob Hennigan now the GM
in Orlando, don't be surprised if Johnson is one of the
surprise late second-round picks.


50. Denver Nuggets

Bernard James | C | Florida State

James is already 27 years old, but the Nuggets won't care.
The Iraq war veteran has an NBA body and should be able to
come in and play some defense right away.


51. Boston Celtics

Justin Hamilton | C | LSU

The big guy out of LSU didn't put up huge numbers, but he's
had tremendous workouts. The Celtics need size wherever they
can get it.


52. Golden State Warriors (via Atlanta)

Quincy Acy | SF | Baylor

Acy is a crazy athlete with a terrific motor. He's not
particularly skilled, but could be a nice bench player at
the next level.


53. Los Angeles Clippers

Darius Johnson-Odom | SF | Marquette

Odom is undersized for his position, but he's strong and
athletic and can really shoot the basketball. The Clippers
need all the help they can get at the 2, and Johnson-Odom
can come in and play right away.


54. Philadelphia 76ers (via Memphis)

Hollis Thompson | SF | Georgetown

I keep loading up the Sixers with shooters because ... the
Sixers could've really used some this past season. Thompson
is a skilled wing who can play the 2 and the 3. He's a very
good athlete with a very good 3-point stroke.


55. Dallas Mavericks (via L.A. Lakers)

Tornike Shengelia | SF | Rep. of Georgia

With international scouting guru Tony Ronzone back in the
fold in Dallas, you can expect the Mavs to get back to
finding some hidden talent overseas. Shengelia is a tough,
athletic forward with a great motor. He's not a great
shooter, but scouts are really high on him as a prospect
down the road.


56. Toronto Raptors (via Indiana)

Khris Middleton | SF | Texas A&M

A year ago, Middleton would've been a potential first-round
prospect. Injuries have set him back a bit, but he's
actually been working out well over the past month. There's
even an outside shot he gets drafted late in the first with
the Bulls. But if he does slide, I doubt he slides further
than this.


57. Brooklyn Nets (via Miami)

Drew Gordon | PF | New Mexico

Gordon is an athletic rebounder who ran into problems at
UCLA and had to transfer to New Mexico. His rebounding
numbers the past two seasons have been fantastic.


58. Minnesota Timberwolves (From Oklahoma City)

Cameron Moore | PF | UAB

Moore is an athletic rebounder/shot-blocker who would be 20
spots higher if he added another 20 pounds to his frame.
While the Wolves do have size, they really need athletes in
their frontcourt.


59. San Antonio Spurs

Paul Lacombe | SG | France

Lacombe impressed NBA teams at this year's Adidas Eurocamp.
He's strong, gets to the rim and is a willing passer. He's
not a great shooter and hasn't put up big numbers in Europe,
but he's worthy of being stashed away in Europe.


60. Los Angeles Lakers (Via Chicago)

Kevin Jones | PF | West Virginia

Jones is a versatile big man who can play inside and out.
He's not a great athlete, but his length makes up for a lot.
He had a super-productive senior year at West Virginia.

BRushWithDeath
06-25-2012, 02:21 PM
Draymond Green has been one of my favorite college players in a long time. But I don't see his game translating.

BringJackBack
06-25-2012, 02:25 PM
Another undersized power forward that can't guard the pick n roll? lol

Mac_Daddy
06-25-2012, 02:39 PM
I loved watching him play at Michigan State. Seems like a smart player and has solid skills all-around. A bit slow, though. I don't see his height as much of an issue, but the quickness and athleticism aren't quite enough to help that cause.

Trader Joe
06-25-2012, 02:40 PM
Give me Quincy Miller if the draft shakes out like this. Talent above all in the draft, even if Quincy only gives us a couple of highlight plays in Nov and Dec, he could be an interesting trade chip at the deadline this year.

pacer4ever
06-25-2012, 02:41 PM
Draymond Green has been one of my favorite college players in a long time. But I don't see his game translating.

This X100

this is like DJ White 2.0 for me loved the guy in college but I think there is no way Green is a good NBA player.


if the board shakes out like this I would hope we get Machado, Barton, Miller in that order all 3 would be great picks IMO. Barton could score for us right away. Miller would be a bit of a project but he is a lottery talent if healthy and if he gets his body right. Much like Aminu dude was raw coming into the league but he is showing real improvement a think he will show even more this year.

Jeremy
06-25-2012, 02:42 PM
This mock sucks. Who in the world would take Bradley Beal, Thomas Robinson, and Harrison Barnes over MKG?

diamonddave00
06-25-2012, 02:42 PM
A very thin player named Miller and the Pacers taken 25 years after that big eared Miller kid from UCLA is it an omen?

Trader Joe
06-25-2012, 02:44 PM
To me drafting Miller at 26 is basically getting a chance at a Jonathan Bender do over and we don't have to trade Antonio Davis to do it.

Speed
06-25-2012, 02:45 PM
D Green is a Power Forward at the next level, right? When I watched him in college not once could I see him at the small forward, even in college let alone in the big boy league, maybe I'm missing something. Thanks for formatting the OP, btw.

Sparhawk
06-25-2012, 02:48 PM
Quincy Miller would have to be the pick.

I think Quincy Miller is a SF in my mind. He certainly needs to prove that he's past the knee injury and put on some muscle.

Jeremy
06-25-2012, 02:50 PM
I don't like the risk with Quincy Miller. I'd take him with a second rounder but not a first.

BringJackBack
06-25-2012, 02:52 PM
I mean I have no problem with Green the player because I think he will be a good role player, but this team needs defense and scoring from our bigs off the bench and he doesn't bring that. I would rather draft a Quincy Miller or Evan Fournier while getting a late second rounder to take a flier on Festus Ezeli for his DEFENSE.

BRushWithDeath
06-25-2012, 02:52 PM
I don't like the risk with Quincy Miller. I'd take him with a second rounder but not a first.

We're picking 26th. What's the risk?

pacer4ever
06-25-2012, 02:53 PM
Quincy Miller would have to be the pick.

I think Quincy Miller is a SF in my mind. He certainly needs to prove that he's past the knee injury and put on some muscle.

He isnt skilled enough yet he reminds me in so many ways of Aminu. Who as a rookie really didn't have a position offensively due to lack of ball handling. I think Quincy plays like a stretch 4 currently and defensively is a SF. But the player development staff could really help and in a few years I could see him playing either spot depending on the offense we run.


I just hope he gets his hops back cause watching this kids highlights pre ACL the dude was a monster.


Green I dont think is anything he wont be able to guard 3,4 or 5s imo. Offensively he can play wherever but defensively I dont see him having a position.

Hicks
06-25-2012, 02:54 PM
Draymond Green has been one of my favorite college players in a long time. But I don't see his game translating.

Not even as a role player?

I wouldn't know either way; just asking.

Jeremy
06-25-2012, 02:55 PM
We're picking 26th. What's the risk?

The risk is that we pass up on someone that we know is going to be good. Take the best player available not the player with the most potential.

docpaul
06-25-2012, 02:56 PM
We're picking 26th. What's the risk?

A guaranteed contract. Ideally we're picking someone here with potential to actually make the rotation, and not sit on the bench while he's on the team.

pacer4ever
06-25-2012, 02:58 PM
People are really sleeping on Will Barton his upside is greater than what a lot of people think his talent is on par with Quincy Miller. I think he has 20ppg talent very dynamic I hope Bird picks him but I wouldnt be mad with Miller or a numer of people who went in the 30s in this mock.

Jeremy
06-25-2012, 02:59 PM
I still want Khris Middleton. He has just as much potential as Miller and he is already better.

pacer4ever
06-25-2012, 03:02 PM
A guaranteed contract. Ideally we're picking someone here with potential to actually make the rotation, and not sit on the bench while he's on the team.

only about 1.7m dollars total 2 years guaranteed after that cut him if your ego allows for it.(many egos get in the way ala Hasheem Tabeeat (I think the Grizz were the only people in the world who though that he was a nba player)


A team with a bad 800k contract for 2 years wont hurt them at all great investment regardless of the outcome.

Naptown_Seth
06-25-2012, 03:04 PM
I would think John Jenkins makes the most sense. You need bench scoring big time, something that is a killer shooter and doesn't need the ball to get his shot. Fits with your combo guard backup PG who likes to control for his own shot, replaces the driving Barbosa who's scoring was pretty streaky.

I realize JJ is one dimensional, but his one dimension is 100% NBA capable. Sometimes guys in this range that kinda do everything end up losing every battle but a step or two.

If you are going big then I can understand chasing the risk with Miller I suppose.

Trader Joe
06-25-2012, 03:05 PM
The risk is that we pass up on someone that we know is going to be good. Take the best player available not the player with the most potential.

Ok, I'll bite then, you don't like Miller in this scenario, who do you pick?

Trader Joe
06-25-2012, 03:06 PM
I still want Khris Middleton. He has just as much potential as Miller and he is already better.

The guy currently projected at what would have been our pick in the 2nd round? Seems a little masochistic to me.

BRushWithDeath
06-25-2012, 03:06 PM
Not even as a role player?

I wouldn't know either way; just asking.

Not really. I don't see a position that he can guard. His size and athleticism prevent him from defending either inside or on the perimeter. You can get by with a guy who looks like he's going to struggle to defend anybody if he has one skill that is excellent. Think J.J. Redick and his shooting (though surprisingly he's actually turned out to be at least an average defender) or Ricky Rubio and his floor vision. Green doesn't have one excellent skill. He's a good ball handler, passer, and shooter for a big. But he's not big. He's got a good inside game for a wing but he's slow and floor bound. Is he good enough to find a niche in the league as a role player? Maybe. He seems like a really smart player and tremendously hard worker but I don't want to use a first rounder on a guy whose ceiling appears to be as a 10th man. I've tried to think of an NBA comparison for him and have really struggled. In order to find one I had to start taking things away from guys. When that is the only way to compare him to other NBA players, it says to me he won't make it. The best I could come up with was Boris Diaw but 5" shorter.

mikeyism
06-25-2012, 03:17 PM
26. Indiana

Draymond Green



http://i831.photobucket.com/albums/zz237/jjtapia/1279720575864.gif

BringJackBack
06-25-2012, 03:20 PM
I would think John Jenkins makes the most sense. You need bench scoring big time, something that is a killer shooter and doesn't need the ball to get his shot. Fits with your combo guard backup PG who likes to control for his own shot, replaces the driving Barbosa who's scoring was pretty streaky.

I realize JJ is one dimensional, but his one dimension is 100% NBA capable. Sometimes guys in this range that kinda do everything end up losing every battle but a step or two.

If you are going big then I can understand chasing the risk with Miller I suppose.

Do you think he could be as effective in the post season as JJ Reddick is? If so then I would like him.

pacer4ever
06-25-2012, 03:26 PM
Do you think he could be as effective in the post season as JJ Reddick is? If so then I would like him.

I like him better than any just shooter in the NBA(Korver, Morrow JJ ECT. His release sets him apart it really is scary good. Plus he is very crafty can put the ball on the floor after he gets you with a ball fake. He is a lot better player than he gets credit for in mocks. He will be a guy who is a day 1 rotation player and a very good one offensively.

BringJackBack
06-25-2012, 03:30 PM
But could his lack of size limit him from reaching that point, and making him more of a Luther Head?

Trader Joe
06-25-2012, 03:32 PM
I'm kind of confused as to what need Draymond Green fills for us immediately honestly

pacer4ever
06-25-2012, 03:36 PM
But could his lack of size limit him from reaching that point, and making him more of a Luther Head?

Luther Head's problem was a long release Jenkins is the opposite. Jenkins size isnt ideal by any means but his IQ combined with his handle makes him scary with his shooting.


I believe if Jenkins was 5'3 and he would still be effective because once his man rotates off him it gives him open looks and his release is just lighting quick. Honestly if I had a kid John Jenkins release would be the one I would tell my kid to watch it is damn near perfect.

I think he has plenty of size to be a offensive weapon off the bench. His handle sets him apart from Reddick and others like them.

Sparhawk
06-25-2012, 03:41 PM
I'm kind of confused as to what need Draymond Green fills for us immediately honestly

*green* He'd take Lou's spot as the backup C.

Justin Tyme
06-25-2012, 03:52 PM
This mock sucks. Who in the world would take Bradley Beal, Thomas Robinson, and Harrison Barnes over MKG?



Apparently, people who do it for a living. Not saying they are right, but it's what they get paid the bucks for doing it.

PR07
06-25-2012, 03:54 PM
Yeah, I have a hard time seeing how Draymond Green would exactly give us that we need. Is he an upgrade over Hansbrough at the 4? Probably not. Can he consistently be our backup 3 behind Granger? Big maybe.

Slick Pinkham
06-25-2012, 03:58 PM
D Green is a Power Forward at the next level, right? When I watched him in college not once could I see him at the small forward, even in college let alone in the big boy league, maybe I'm missing something.

Actually Michigan State struggled a lot with guard play, particularly point guard play, due in part to injuries. There were games where he was the primary ballhandler on the team due to his passing ability. My NBA comparison in Anthony Mason. Undersized big but good handles and excellent passing, can make open shots. I think that there will be better players on the board, but I won't be that upset if we took him.

Speed
06-25-2012, 04:00 PM
Actually Michigan State struggled a lot with guard play, particularly point guard play, due in part to injuries. There were games where he was the primary ballhandler on the team due to his passing ability. My NBA comparison in Anthony Mason. Undersized big but good handles and excellent passing, can make open shots. I think that there will be better players on the board, but I won't be that upset if we took him.

I always go by who players can guard, can he guard NBA 3s? I picture him banging in the post, maybe thats wrong. I always saw Mason as a backup 4 in NY, although he could play with Oakley at times.

Justin Tyme
06-25-2012, 04:00 PM
I would rather draft a Quincy Miller or Evan Fournier


Me too! Both are players I like at #26. I'm surprised to see them drop this low in Ford's mock draft.

BringJackBack
06-25-2012, 04:21 PM
Is he an upgrade over Hansbrough at the 4?

I would have to say yes because Tyler has no intangibles with extremely limited scoring ability due to size/skill, while Green has all of the intangibles plus rebounding and probably limited scoring. Though I agree that he doesn't fill a need. Ideally I would like to see us get a 3rd big who is ready to put up at the bare minimum 10 and 5 off the bench, whether it be in trades, free agency, draft, whatever. We just need a talented x factor big man off the bench.

Gamble1
06-25-2012, 04:23 PM
Yeah, I have a hard time seeing how Draymond Green would exactly give us that we need. Is he an upgrade over Hansbrough at the 4? Probably not. Can he consistently be our backup 3 behind Granger? Big maybe.
At this point I would consider him an upgrade over Hans if he can hit an open 15 footer and not be a black hole like Hans is on offense.

BRushWithDeath
06-25-2012, 04:26 PM
At this point I would consider him an upgrade over Hans if he can hit an open 15 footer and not be a black hole like Hans is on offense.

He's a decent midrange shooter and he's a very good passer so in that sense he'd absolutely be an upgrade over Hansbrough. But he's significantly shorter and equally challenged athletically. Seems kind of like trading a rotten apple for 3/4 eaten pear.

Since86
06-25-2012, 04:32 PM
Hopefully Pritchard can work his magic and get another 2nd rounder for cash, or something low. Mike Scott would probably end up being better scoring option for a b/u 4.

Really?
06-25-2012, 05:06 PM
Give me Quincy Miller if the draft shakes out like this. Talent above all in the draft, even if Quincy only gives us a couple of highlight plays in Nov and Dec, he could be an interesting trade chip at the deadline this year.

Trade chip, if he shows any potential it would be worth keeping him, we need a star and I feel he has star potential.


This mock sucks. Who in the world would take Bradley Beal, Thomas Robinson, and Harrison Barnes over MKG?

A lot of folks


To me drafting Miller at 26 is basically getting a chance at a Jonathan Bender do over and we don't have to trade Antonio Davis to do it.

Hopefully with a better turnout this time...


Quincy Miller would have to be the pick.

I think Quincy Miller is a SF in my mind. He certainly needs to prove that he's past the knee injury and put on some muscle.

I think he is a SF, and with the size thing he is still pretty young, I actually think that he needs to add more strength, not sure that he will have to get much bigger if he is going to play the 3.


He isnt skilled enough yet he reminds me in so many ways of Aminu. Who as a rookie really didn't have a position offensively due to lack of ball handling. I think Quincy plays like a stretch 4 currently and defensively is a SF. But the player development staff could really help and in a few years I could see him playing either spot depending on the offense we run.


I just hope he gets his hops back cause watching this kids highlights pre ACL the dude was a monster.


Green I dont think is anything he wont be able to guard 3,4 or 5s imo. Offensively he can play wherever but defensively I dont see him having a position.

He was definitely a monster pre injury and had some good showings this year, I think he is a 3 hands down, I think him and Aminu are different players though, Aminu still has some upside but I doubt his long range shooting will ever improve to the point that it should I think Miller still has a good chance at adding that to his game, and I also think he has better handles than Aminu


The risk is that we pass up on someone that we know is going to be good. Take the best player available not the player with the most potential.

Who do we know is going to be good, it is not like Miller has not shown he can be good, he has potential and some production, if he had as much production as you are seeming to suggest in the player that we should take he would be a top 10 pick


A guaranteed contract. Ideally we're picking someone here with potential to actually make the rotation, and not sit on the bench while he's on the team.

Hummmm, I assume some of you have never seen miller play...


People are really sleeping on Will Barton his upside is greater than what a lot of people think his talent is on par with Quincy Miller. I think he has 20ppg talent very dynamic I hope Bird picks him but I wouldnt be mad with Miller or a numer of people who went in the 30s in this mock.

Warming on Barton more, I always thought he had game but I am starting to get the feeling that his size will not be something that turns GMs off as much as it has in the past.


I still want Khris Middleton. He has just as much potential as Miller and he is already better.

No he doesn't


Hopefully Pritchard can work his magic and get another 2nd rounder for cash, or something low. Mike Scott would probably end up being better scoring option for a b/u 4.

Yup, I like O'Quinn more, especially if we go with a 1-3 in the first round

pacer4ever
06-25-2012, 05:16 PM
Trade chip, if he shows any potential it would be worth keeping him, we need a star and I feel he has star potential.



A lot of folks



Hopefully with a better turnout this time...



I think he is a SF, and with the size thing he is still pretty young, I actually think that he needs to add more strength, not sure that he will have to get much bigger if he is going to play the 3.



He was definitely a monster pre injury and had some good showings this year, I think he is a 3 hands down, I think him and Aminu are different players though, Aminu still has some upside but I doubt his long range shooting will ever improve to the point that it should I think Miller still has a good chance at adding that to his game, and I also think he has better handles than Aminu



Who do we know is going to be good, it is not like Miller has not shown he can be good, he has potential and some production, if he had as much production as you are seeming to suggest in the player that we should take he would be a top 10 pick



Hummmm, I assume some of you have never seen miller play...



Warming on Barton more, I always thought he had game but I am starting to get the feeling that his size will not be something that turns GMs off as much as it has in the past.



No he doesn't



Yup, I like O'Quinn more, especially if we go with a 1-3 in the first round

I dont know of Barton's past. I do know he is a cocky SOB and that is what I really like about him. He is confident and it shows with his play(he isnt selfish though he is a very willing passer. I have heard some GMs didnt like that. But I heard he came off well in interviews and some GMs came off loving his personality(Larry Bird had the same personalty as a player no one was better than him and Larry hates losing. I think Barton is just super competitive a Rondo like personality )


EDIT: I get he has a small frame but wtach him play he makes up for it with effort. He really is one of the guys who plays much bigger than his listed weight. He plays like he is 220 not 170. If he can put on 30lbs he will be one of the best scorers IMO he is a lot like Alec Burks for me in terms of upside. I think he can help right away but you are picking the guy for a few years down the road I think he will be a monster in a few years.


I do think Quincy's J is already better than Aminu but I see the same stiffness or should I say just doesnt know the game doesn't look like he was well coached. I guess a lot of that is due to Scott Drew (awful coach Baylor should fire him)


If I was in charge I would try my best to get Barton but Scott Machado would be a Pacer no matter what. If I couldn't add another pick I would add a scorer type in free agency along with a C hopefully Samuel Dalmbert (love his game as a backup for Roy)


Scott Machado instantly makes everyone on the Pacers better and he is a great offensive player in his own right. I think Granger and George would benefit the most from Machado along with big Roy. I just hope Larry gets this kid. Much better version of Kendall Marshall (much more dynamic than Marshall and IMO has a better floor game) just overlooked will make a lot of teams pay on draft night. If our player devlopment staff helps him with his weak right hand (easy fix) gonna be a scary pg.

Really?
06-25-2012, 05:45 PM
I dont know of Barton's past. I do know he is a cocky SOB and that is what I really like about him. He is confident and it shows with his play(he isnt selfish though he is a very willing passer. I have heard some GMs didnt like that. But I heard he came off well in interviews and some GMs came off loving his personality(Larry Bird had the same personalty as a player no one was better than him and Larry hates losing. I think Barton is just super competitive a Rondo like personality )


EDIT: I get he has a small frame but wtach him play he makes up for it with effort. He really is one of the guys who plays much bigger than his listed weight. He plays like he is 220 not 170. If he can put on 30lbs he will be one of the best scorers IMO he is a lot like Alec Burks for me in terms of upside. I think he can help right away but you are picking the guy for a few years down the road I think he will be a monster in a few years.


I do think Quincy's J is already better than Aminu but I see the same stiffness or should I say just doesnt know the game doesn't look like he was well coached. I guess a lot of that is due to Scott Drew (awful coach Baylor should fire him)

Yeah I think that is a reason why I am comfortable if we do select him, looking at more of his videos, he plays bigger than his size, hopefully he does not end up having durability issues.

Yeah I am not sure how Scott Drew keeps getting these long athletic stretch 4's, first PJIII, then Miller, and now Isaiah Austin, seems like he has not done much with any of them.

PR07
06-25-2012, 06:26 PM
I would have to say yes because Tyler has no intangibles with extremely limited scoring ability due to size/skill, while Green has all of the intangibles plus rebounding and probably limited scoring. Though I agree that he doesn't fill a need. Ideally I would like to see us get a 3rd big who is ready to put up at the bare minimum 10 and 5 off the bench, whether it be in trades, free agency, draft, whatever. We just need a talented x factor big man off the bench.

I wouldn't say Tyler has no intangibles, as by all accounts, he's a hard worker and is always intense. The type of intensity that will push others in games and in practice. I have a hard time seeing Green as any better of a scorer than Tyler. Hansbrough was able to dominate the paint in college, did Green dominate anything? I saw Michigan State play quite a few times and never came away thinking that Green was an offensive force like I did with Psycho T.

I don't know. I feel like some people are selling Tyler short these days, and maybe rightfully so. However, I don't see Green as an upgrade at all.

Pacersalltheway10
06-25-2012, 06:58 PM
I really want Scott Machado

Really?
06-25-2012, 07:32 PM
Not a fan of taking him at 26 but have you heard anything about him from his workouts?

Really?
06-25-2012, 07:52 PM
Would just like to say that Wroten Jr is the most frustrating player in the draft, maybe him next to Tyshawn Taylor.

pacer4ever
06-25-2012, 07:58 PM
Not a fan of taking him at 26 but have you heard anything about him from his workouts?

I dont get not wannting him at #26 best passer in the draft and has what we need in terms of pg talent. He makes his team better and finds the open man before anyone else sees it.


I know he worked out for the Jazz Kevin O'Conner spoke really high of him.


He has had 17 workouts I hope he sucked in all of them :laugh:



i am still saying he goes 1st rd he is more than a 1st rd talent IMO.




http://www.nba.com/jazz/video/originals/

D-BONE
06-25-2012, 08:27 PM
If we stay at 26, I'm hoping for Jenkins. We need bench scoring and lights-out shooting period. He can grow into Barbosa's role for a lot less.

Draymond is not a guy I'm interested in for the litany of reasons already presented here and in T-Bird's scouting report.

I'd also like Taylor as well. Line me up for a Vandy guy apparently. Can shoot it some and defend.

imbtyler
06-25-2012, 08:40 PM
http://i831.photobucket.com/albums/zz237/jjtapia/1279720575864.gif

:lmao: Post of the year candidate, right here! Died laughing, respawned, and died laughing again.

Eleazar
06-25-2012, 08:58 PM
If we are looking at a back-up SG/SF type I would like to see a player who is a decent defender (doesn't have to be great, but can hold his own), and an excellent shooter who knows how to get open.

pwee31
06-25-2012, 09:09 PM
Draymond Green would have to translate his game to the likes of Brandon Bass. At least that's who he reminds me of. Chad Ford gets the closest out of the mock drafts, but you never really know how the draft will turn out?

Trophy
06-25-2012, 09:28 PM
I really want Scott Machado

He's at the top of my list as far as steals go in this draft and he's a true PG in my book.

DrFife
06-25-2012, 09:40 PM
Could someone with Insider post Chad Ford 9.1, please?

Trophy
06-25-2012, 09:46 PM
Could someone with Insider post Chad Ford 9.1, please?

It's pretty much the same as the 9.0.

He still has us taking Green.

ballism
06-25-2012, 09:56 PM
9.1 - basically, Henson had a great workout in Detroit, and that reshuffles the middle of the 1st a bit.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2012/story?id=8092454&_slug_=nba-mock-draft-version-9&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2fdraft2012%2fstory%3fid%3d8092454%26_slug_%3dnba-mock-draft-version-9




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Detroit

John Henson

Position: PF
Height: 6-foot-10
Weight: 216 pounds
Age: 21
School: North Carolina

Analysis: Meyers Leonard occupied this spot for roughly six hours before Henson reclaimed it. Why? Henson, Leonard, Tyler Zeller, Perry Jones, Terrence Jones and Jared Sullinger all worked out in Detroit today and the consensus was the Henson really shined. The Pistons really need a shot-blocker and Henson fits the bill.

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Milwaukee

Meyers Leonard

Position: C
Height: 7-foot-1
Weight: 250 pounds
Age: 20
School: Illinois

Analysis: The Bucks have been hoping that a big will still be on the board at No. 12. Under this scenario they get their wish. Leonard may be a bit of a project, but he's got NBA size and athleticism and he plays pretty hard. Terrence Ross is also a possibility here.

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Houston

Perry Jones III

Position: PF
Height: 6-foot-11
Weight: 234 pounds
Age: 20
School: Baylor

Analysis: Jones might be the toughest player in the draft to project right now. Everyone is both scared to take him and scared not to take him. I heard the same assessment from a number of NBA GMs the past few weeks.

Whichever GM first overcomes his fear of taking Jones gets a super-athletic 6-11 forward who lacks the motor or toughness teams usually look for in a big man. At some point, the reward outweighs the risk, and that calculation probably starts here. Terrence Ross, Arnett Moultrie, Moe Harkless and Jared Sullinger are other possibilities.


Philadelphia

Terrence Ross

Position: SG
Height: 6-foot-7
Weight: 197 pounds
Age: 21
School: Washington

Analysis: The Sixers need athletic bigs. But it will be hard for them to pass on Ross if he slides here. His shooting ability from deep, combined with his elite athleticism will be a nice fit in the Sixers backcourt -- especially if the team trades Andre Iguodala and moves Evan Turner to the 3. Arnett Moultrie and Moe Harkless are other possibilities here. Ditto for Jared Sullinger.

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Indiana

Draymond Green

Position: SF
Height: 6-foot-8
Weight: 236 pounds
Age: 22
School: Michigan State

Analysis: The Pacers have a big workout scheduled for Tuesday with Green, Will Barton, Kim English and Jeff Taylor that could decide the No. 26 pick. I'm hearing increasingly that the Pacers are very high on Green. He's a smart, tough player who can come in and fill a need immediately for Indiana. Larry Bird has made similar picks in years past and done OK with them. I don't think Green will slide past here. If he's off the board, Barton could be the guy.

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Trophy
06-25-2012, 10:02 PM
If I was in charge I would try my best to get Barton but Scott Machado would be a Pacer no matter what. If I couldn't add another pick I would add a scorer type in free agency along with a C hopefully Samuel Dalmbert (love his game as a backup for Roy)


Scott Machado instantly makes everyone on the Pacers better and he is a great offensive player in his own right. I think Granger and George would benefit the most from Machado along with big Roy. I just hope Larry gets this kid. Much better version of Kendall Marshall (much more dynamic than Marshall and IMO has a better floor game) just overlooked will make a lot of teams pay on draft night. If our player devlopment staff helps him with his weak right hand (easy fix) gonna be a scary pg.

I agree totally.

I've always liked Marshall, but I do think because he went to UNC people are more interested in him than Machado. I think Machado has greater potential to be a solid, dynamic NBA PG than Marshall.

He's the hidden gem of this draft and I hope Bird finds him before anyone else like he did when he took Paul George.

PacerGuy
06-25-2012, 10:48 PM
We need the 9.1 upodate!

tadscout
06-25-2012, 10:54 PM
We need the 9.1 upodate!

Look at post #57

2minutes twoa
06-25-2012, 11:01 PM
Whenever I see John Jenkins shoot, I can't help but hear Gus Johnson saying PURE!! Dude's got a sweet stroke!

dal9
06-25-2012, 11:42 PM
Actually Michigan State struggled a lot with guard play, particularly point guard play, due in part to injuries. There were games where he was the primary ballhandler on the team due to his passing ability. My NBA comparison in Anthony Mason. Undersized big but good handles and excellent passing, can make open shots. I think that there will be better players on the board, but I won't be that upset if we took him.

Mason had the advantage of being completely roided up and also insane.

Greene is very short. Compare him to Hummel, who is also being looked at as a tweener 3/4: in shoes, Hummel is 1" taller; barefoot, 1.5". Hummel also out-benched him 13-9.

Even Hans, who clearly can't rebound at the PF position, is 2 inches (!) taller than Green. Standing verts are Hans: 27.5", Green: 28".

Green is all heart, and fairly skilled, but physically, he do not seem to measure up to NBA PF standards. Even if he can play the 3, which there is no sign of, we do not need a b/u 3, do we?

Lance George
06-26-2012, 12:04 AM
Whenever I see John Jenkins shoot, I can't help but hear Gus Johnson saying PURE!! Dude's got a sweet stroke!

Speaking of sweet strokes...

Twitter / ChrisEmmaScout (https://twitter.com/ChrisEmmaScout/status/217366507028615169)


‏@ChrisEmmaScout
John Shurna hit 36 of 40 three-pointers in his Bucks workout. How could you not draft him? ‪#Northwestern

The kid's 6'10" and just put up 20/5/3 in the Big Ten (44% from downtown) and is listed as going undrafted in both DX's and NBADraft.net's mocks. The perils of being a white American...

ballism
06-26-2012, 12:17 AM
The kid's 6'10" and just put up 20/5/3 in the Big Ten (44% from downtown) and is listed as going undrafted in both DX's and NBADraft.net's mocks. The perils of being a white American...

Nice stroke. But his issue - penguin arms. He could as well be 6'6. without speed, strength or length, I'm not sure how often he could get that shot off in the NBA.

dal9
06-26-2012, 12:19 AM
Speaking of sweet strokes...

Twitter / ChrisEmmaScout (https://twitter.com/ChrisEmmaScout/status/217366507028615169)



The kid's 6'10" and just put up 20/5/3 in the Big Ten (44% from downtown) and is listed as going undrafted in both DX's and NBADraft.net's mocks. The perils of being a white American...

first of all, give me a break about the perils of being a white American. if he's in the league in two years we will talk.

second of all, shooting that well in a workout is impressive for your average joe, but not really for d-1. watch pregame warmups, and the most unlikely guys are knocking down threes like nothing. I remember watching Chris Kramer hit something like 10 in a row, and he shot 20-something % in games.

CableKC
06-26-2012, 01:59 AM
Nice stroke. But his issue - penguin arms. He could as well be 6'6. without speed, strength or length, I'm not sure how often he could get that shot off in the NBA.
Thanks for the laugh.....I can only picture the way he looks.....with short flat flippers for arms trying to shoot the ball. Good analogy....:)

Really?
06-26-2012, 07:31 AM
I dont get not wannting him at #26 best passer in the draft and has what we need in terms of pg talent. He makes his team better and finds the open man before anyone else sees it.


I know he worked out for the Jazz Kevin O'Conner spoke really high of him.


He has had 17 workouts I hope he sucked in all of them :laugh:



i am still saying he goes 1st rd he is more than a 1st rd talent IMO.




http://www.nba.com/jazz/video/originals/

So there are a few reasons, we all see that he has vision, and can pass, and score at times, but first off from watching some of his tape and seeing him play on television he did not really standout as having much potential. I question how easy it will be for him to get his shot of in the league and also am unsure of how his defense will translate, he has the 4th smallest reach in the draft so I do not think that is helping.

I agree that he may be gone in the first, especially with GSW picking at 30, but I also think there are too many good point guard prospects in that range as well and choosing between a guy like him and Teague I would go with Teague, they put up almost identical numbers their freshman years in college and I feel Teague has more potential.

I just think we could get more value at the pick personally, I would not mind trading and grabbing him in the 2nd, if we could flip DC for him I would go ahead and do that.

Also I would like to say, with Bird out of the picture I have an even vaguer view of who we will target now, or what moves we will make.



If we are looking at a back-up SG/SF type I would like to see a player who is a decent defender (doesn't have to be great, but can hold his own), and an excellent shooter who knows how to get open.

Sounds like you want a guy like Jeff Taylor...well for the most part.

Heisenberg
06-26-2012, 07:37 AM
Good luck to John Shurna getting that push shot off in the NBA

ballism
06-26-2012, 11:58 AM
9.2 - no changes for us. The middle of the 1st gets reshuffled again.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2012/story?id=8092454&_slug_=nba-mock-draft-version-9&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2fdraft2012%2fstory%3fid%3d8092454%26_slug_%3dnba-mock-draft-version-9



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[#9] Detroit

John Henson
PF
6-foot-10
Weight: 216 pounds
Age: 21
School: North Carolina

Analysis: Meyers Leonard occupied this spot for roughly six hours before Henson reclaimed it. Why? Henson, Leonard, Tyler Zeller, Perry Jones, Terrence Jones and Jared Sullinger all worked out in Detroit on Monday and the consensus was that Henson really shined. The Pistons really need a shot-blocker and Henson fits the bill.


New Orleans
(via Wolves)

Austin Rivers
SG
6-foot-5
Weight: 203 pounds
Age: 19
School: Duke

Analysis: After the first nine picks, things start to break down a little bit. The Hornets can go in a lot of directions and also are exploring trades. Sources say they offered the Rockets the 10th pick for Nos. 14 and 16 but were turned down last week.

If they keep the pick, they really need help at center, point guard and small forward. Although Rivers doesn't fill any of those positions, I'm told the Hornets have been enamored with him. Tyler Zeller, Jeremy Lamb and Moe Harkless are other possibilities here.


Portland

Tyler Zeller
C
7-foot-0
Weight: 247 pounds
Age: 22
School: North Carolina

Analysis: If the Blazers go with a guard at No. 6, don't be surprised if they go big with their other selection. Zeller isn't a sexy pick, but he is capable of playing right now, has solid size for his position and runs the floor well. Other possibilities here include Dion Waiters, Austin Rivers, Jeremy Lamb and Terrence Ross.


Milwaukee

Meyers Leonard
C
7-foot-1
Weight: 250 pounds
Age: 20
School: Illinois

Analysis: The Bucks are hoping that a big man will still be on the board at No. 12. Under this scenario they get their wish. Leonard may be a bit of a project, but he's got NBA size and athleticism and he plays pretty hard. Terrence Ross is also a possibility here.


Phoenix

Jeremy Lamb
SG
6-foot-5
Weight: 179 pounds
Age: 20
School: UConn

Analysis: Lamb suffered a high ankle sprain in a workout in Toronto and has struggled to get well enough to resume workouts. Although GMs think he's talented, they have questioned his toughness. His inability to work out has hurt him a bit, too.

However, Lamb went into Phoenix this weekend and toughed out a workout on the bad ankle. A source in Phoenix told me the Suns were impressed with his toughness and willingness to fight through the workout. His performance there could keep him in the lottery. If Lamb is gone, Terrence Ross, Dion Waiters and Austin Rivers are all possibilities here. So is Arnett Moultrie.


Houston

Perry Jones III
PF
6-foot-11
Weight: 234 pounds
Age: 20
School: Baylor

Analysis: Jones might be the toughest player in the draft to project right now. Everyone is both scared to take him and scared not to take him. I heard the same assessment from a number of NBA GMs the past few weeks.

Whichever GM first overcomes his fear of taking Jones gets a super-athletic 6-foot-11 forward who lacks the motor or toughness teams usually look for in a big man. At some point, the reward outweighs the risk, and that calculation probably starts here. Terrence Ross, Arnett Moultrie, Moe Harkless and Jared Sullinger are other possibilities.


Philadelphia

Terrence Ross
SG
6-foot-7
Weight: 197 pounds
Age: 21
School: Washington

Analysis: The Sixers need an athletic big man, but it will be hard for them to pass on Ross if he slides here. His shooting ability from deep, combined with his elite athleticism will be a nice fit in the Sixers' backcourt -- especially if the team trades Andre Iguodala and moves Evan Turner to the 3. Arnett Moultrie and Moe Harkless are other possibilities here. Ditto for Jared Sullinger.
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[#18] Rockets (via Wolves)

Arnett Moultrie
PF
6-foot-11
Weight: 223 pounds
Age: 21
School: Mississippi State

Analysis: The Wolves have agreed to send the 18th pick in the draft to the Rockets for Chase Budinger. We'll leave Arnett Moultrie here for now because the Rockets do like him. But the plan is clear. The Rockets are trying to package 14, 16 and 18 and Kyle Lowry to get multiple top-10 picks to offer to the Magic for Dwight Howard. I seriously doubt the Rockets will actually be selecting here on draft night.
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[#26] Indiana

Draymond Green
SF
6-foot-8
Weight: 236 pounds
Age: 22
School: Michigan State

Analysis: The Pacers have a big workout scheduled for Tuesday with Green, Will Barton, Kim English and Jeff Taylor that could decide the No. 26 pick. I'm hearing increasingly that the Pacers are very high on Green. He's a smart, tough player who can come in and fill a need immediately for Indiana. Larry Bird has made similar picks in years past and done OK with them. I don't think Green will slide past here. If he's off the board, Barton could be the guy.
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ballism
06-26-2012, 03:00 PM
Chad's take on Draymond Green and other interesting insights:
(it appears Chad and some scouts have really high hopes for some of these players)

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog?name=nba_draft&id=8096957&_slug_=2012-nba-draft-anthony-davis-worth-hype-other-key-questions&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2fblog%3fname%3dnba_draft%26id%3d8096957%26_slug_ %3d2012-nba-draft-anthony-davis-worth-hype-other-key-questions


With the NBA draft just two days away, here are 10 pressing questions heading into the draft.

1. Is Anthony Davis really all that?

Yes. He's all that.

It is rare when a prospect lives up to the hype. Davis has done that and more. Not only does he pass the smell test physically (ideal height, great athlete, huge wingspan), he also was superproductive as a freshman (highest player efficiency rating of any player in college basketball, highest score ever in John Hollinger's Draft Rater, elite rebounder and shot-blocker on the defensive end). Plus, he has all the right intangibles (super motor, tough, humble, hardworking, great attitude).

Physical tools? Check. Production? Check. Intangibles? Check.

Oh, and Davis led his NCAA team to a national title in his freshman year.

Winner? Check.

It is very rare when all four of these items align in a meaningful way.

Davis passes the NBA scout test, too. There isn't an NBA scout or NBA GM in the league who doesn't have him No. 1 on his board. I'll take it a step further. Every GM and scout I spoke with told me he'd take Davis No. 1 in the 2011, 2010, 2009 and 2008 drafts. Yes, ahead of Derrick Rose, Blake Griffin, John Wall and Kyrie Irving.

So what are you worried about?

He needs to add weight. Fair enough. He does need to get stronger. So have other top prospects before him.

He reminds me of Marcus Camby. I've heard that one. Camby is probably his floor. Many GMs and scouts believe that players like Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett are his ceiling.

He might not make a major impact in Year 1. Maybe. But many said that about him coming into Kentucky, and he put that to rest by midseason.

In short, Davis is one of the best No. 1 picks to come along in a decade. Barring a Greg Oden-like rash of injuries, he's expected to be a multiyear All-Star.

2. Besides Davis, who will have the biggest impact as a rookie?

Who is the most NBA-ready player for the 2012-13 season? It usually depends more on the team a player lands on than the player himself.

I think it could be the Toronto Raptors' Jonas Valanciunas. Many NBA scouts believe he would have been the No. 2 pick in this year's draft had he not entered the 2011 draft. Valanciunas spent this past year in Lithuania and will be a rookie this season. The Raptors likely will give him lots of playing time early, as they think he has the makings of a star.

If you're asking about players from this draft, three players come to mind.

Kansas Jayhawks forward Thomas Robinson has an NBA body and NBA skills. If he lands on a bad Charlotte team, he should come in and put up big numbers right away.

I also could see Harrison Barnes putting up big numbers if he lands in Cleveland. He has a pretty big chip on his shoulder, and playing with an elite point guard like Kyrie Irving could really elevate his game.

Syracuse guard Dion Waiters is another possibility if he lands on the right team. He has an NBA player's body and can get to the basket at will. He could put up big, Tyreke Evans-esque numbers as a rookie on a bad team.

3. In five years, who will be the second-best player from the 2012 draft?

Florida Gators wing Bradley Beal has moved into the position of the consensus No. 2 player in the draft. About 70 percent of the GMs and scouts I surveyed now have Beal at No. 2 on their big boards. Beal's NBA body, excellent athletic ability, sweet shooting stroke and winning attitude have scouts convinced that his floor is Eric Gordon and his ceiling may be Ray Allen.

I'm a big Beal fan, but I think that Michael Kidd-Gilchrist could be the second-best player in the draft. He has more holes in his game than several of the top picks in the draft. But he's also the youngest player and hardest worker, and his flaws (shooting and ball-handling) are correctable.

The things Kidd-Gilchrist has now (ultimate motor, toughness, the ability to defend multiple positions, leadership) are harder to duplicate. He just might be a Gerald Wallace clone, or he might be a saner version of Ron Artest. But if we are talking ceilings, I think his is Scottie Pippen. Pair him with an elite scorer, and I think he'll have a few rings by the time he retires.

4. Andre Drummond: The next Dwight Howard or the next Kwame Brown?

Who knows? Really.

Drummond has all the tools to be the next Howard. At 18, he's already 7 feet tall, 280 pounds. He has a 7-foot-6 wingspan and has elite athletic abilities. That's not a basketball player; that's a basketball god.

But he's also the second-youngest player in the draft, and at times it shows. He doesn't always play hard. He takes plays and sometimes entire games off. His skill level (highlighted by his awful 29.5 percent free throw shooting) is a major work in progress. He doesn't always work hard off the court to improve his game. And when you talk to him, he sounds more like a 16-year-old trapped in the body of a 28-year-old giant.

Anyone who says he knows what Drummond will be is a psychic or a fraud. If he lands on the right team, gets the right coaching and is open to dedicating himself completely to the game, he could be the next Howard.

If Drummond is left on his own, isn't forced to develop or just decides that he doesn't really like basketball, Brown isn't out of the question.

More likely, he's somewhere in between those guys. DeAndre Jordan, anyone?

5. Austin Rivers: The next Kobe Bryant or the next Jerryd Bayless?

I don't think there's a more polarizing player in the draft than Rivers. Fans and scouts tend to love him or hate him. I know that several teams have him ranked in the top 10 on their big boards. I know several others that have him in the second round. How's that for a draft range?

Rivers does model his offensive game after Bryant's -- for better and for worse. He's a superaggressive scorer. He has a killer crossover, has mastered the fadeaway J and wants the ball in his hands at the end of close games. He loves himself some hero ball.

Again, for good and for bad, Rivers also has modeled his off-the-court behaviors to emulate Bryant's. He works hard. He's tough. He's superconfident. However, he also has a rap as a selfish player who bristles at teammates and doesn't know how to share.

Factor in Rivers' pedestrian shooting numbers, poor free throw shooting and poor assist-to-turnover ratio, and suddenly he looks very un-Kobe-like.

But the real concern for Rivers is that he physically doesn't hold a candle to Bryant. He's not as big, not as long and not as explosive as Bryant was when he entered the league. Take away Bryant's size, length and explosiveness, and Kobe isn't Kobe. That's why, in some respects, Rivers looks a lot like Raptors combo guard Bayless.

Whichever team takes Rivers will take a risk. It could pay off big time or blow up in a team's face.

6. Who is the most underrated player outside the lottery?

Three players stand out to me -- Baylor's Quincy Miller, Washington's Tony Wroten and Michigan State's Draymond Green.

There couldn't be three more different players than Miller, Wroten and Green. And I think NBA GMs may regret letting all three guys slide into the late first round.

Miller was widely regarded as a top-10 pick coming into Baylor last season as a freshman. However, the effects of an ACL injury suffered the previous spring, combined with a shifting role at Baylor once Perry Jones returned to the lineup, led to a fairly mediocre freshman campaign.

However, a number of things suggest Miller could be much better as he matures. He has great size for his position and can really score the basketball from anywhere on the floor. Once his ACL injury is healed (remember, it can take up to two years to fully recover), I think he'll look more athletic than he showed as a freshman. In addition, John Hollinger's Draft Rater (which every year outperforms what actual GMs are doing in the draft) had Miller ranked as a top-10 pick.

To top it off, most NBA scouts and GMs I spoke with felt Miller would have been a top-10 pick in 2013 had he remained in school. The talent is there for a team that uses it the right way.

Wroten, on physical tools and skills, is one of the four or five most talented players in the draft. He has elite size for his position and is a terrific athlete. He also is a special passer and can really get to the basket, and he can be a lockdown defender. However, Wroten's broken jump shot, tendency to play out of control and reputation as a team chemistry killer have damaged his stock.

Wroten has very real obstacles to overcome and could be Lance Stephenson 2.0, but with so much raw talent there, he also has the potential to be a Gary Payton-esque player in the NBA someday. If he matures and fixes that jumper ... wow.

Green isn't anything like Wroten. He is not a great athlete, plays questionable defense and doesn't really have a position in the NBA. However, he's an excellent scorer both inside and outside, rebounds the basketball, has a super high basketball IQ and is a winner.

On top of that, every advanced statistic I've seen suggests Green one of the top players in the draft. Although it's clear that he has limitations, he's just a basketball player -- the type of glue guy who helps good teams win and stays in the league far longer than anyone expects. I get why teams wouldn't take him in the top 10. But after that, if I were a GM, he'd be fair game.

7. Which prospect do NBA GMs fear most?

Baylor's Perry Jones.

Teams are afraid to take him in the lottery. However, they're equally afraid not to take him in the lottery.

No one is really sure what to do with Jones. He's a freak athlete with elite size and skills to play three positions on the floor. However, he's been tagged with the dreaded "soft" label. Teams worry he has no motor, and the position he favors at the next level, small forward, is the position he's furthest from being ready to play.

If you haven't read the excellent blog post on TrueHoop about Jones and his questionable motor, pause and do it right now.

Now you're confused, too, right?

If Jones went at pick No. 5, I could defend it. If he went at pick No. 20, I could defend that, too.

8. Given Jared Sullinger's back issues, how far will he drop?

Well, according to the NBA, he's falling out of the lottery. The league issued its green room invitations to the top 14 prospects in the draft on Monday, and Sullinger wasn't on the list.

The NBA creates the list by surveying all the GMs in the lottery. The NBA's Stu Jackson said that the feedback it received had Sullinger in the late teens to early 20s.

That sounds about right. At some point in the first round, the reward begins to outweigh the risk with Sullinger. He might be the best low-post scorer in the draft, and advanced metrics on him are off the charts. He is undersized and plays below the rim, but the NBA has had a rash of successful power forwards with the same limitations.

If his back is fixable, as his camp suggests it is, he'll be a steal for a team that takes him in the late teens or early 20s. I don't think he'll get past the Magic at No. 19.

9. Which second-rounder is most likely to make an all-rookie team?

My joke, every time I get asked this question, is simply: "If we knew that, they wouldn't be in the second round."

OK, but I'll try to answer the question anyway. Last year Washington's Isaiah Thomas was the 60th pick in the draft and made the NBA's All-Rookie second team.

I think that guy in this draft could be Maryland's Terrell Stoglin. He's an undersized scoring guard, like Thomas, who can really light it up. I'm not even sure that Stoglin will be drafted, but a number of teams told me he kicked the butts of several first-round prospects in workouts.

I could see Stoglin putting up instant offense coming off the bench for a bad team.

10. How many draft night trades will happen in the lottery?

I'm going with three. I think the Bobcats will swap the No. 2 pick with someone -- likely the Cavs. The Cavs could send back pick No. 4 and either the 24th pick or picks 33 and 34.

I think the Kings are likely to move No. 5, likely to the Rockets for picks 14 and 16 and perhaps an additional player. The Rockets already agreed to trade Chase Budinger to Minnesota for the 18th pick in the draft. The 18th pick just gives them more ammunition to perhaps add another top-10 pick in the hopes of putting together a package to trade for Dwight Howard.

The Blazers, Warriors, Raptors and Hornets are also looking at various options with their picks. I think the Blazers at No. 6 or No. 11 are the likeliest of that bunch to make a trade. They have interest in Jazz forward Paul Millsap and Rockets guard Kyle Lowry.

PR07
06-26-2012, 03:08 PM
Chad's take on Draymond Green and other interesting insights:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog?name=nba_draft&id=8096957&_slug_=2012-nba-draft-anthony-davis-worth-hype-other-key-questions&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2fblog%3fname%3dnba_draft%26id%3d8096957%26_slug_ %3d2012-nba-draft-anthony-davis-worth-hype-other-key-questions

This makes me feel better about a Green selection, but I still don't know where we play him. I don't know if he can guard 3's, and if you select him to play the 4, then you either have a jam with Psycho T or you're selling low on Hansbrough through a trade.

Speed
06-26-2012, 03:21 PM
I really don't see how he could guard 3s, unless he's lost alot muscle/weight and got alot quicker.

Really?
06-26-2012, 03:37 PM
Green is a career backup to me, and will never be a guy expected to crack the starting line up, when he gets put in games I expect whatever coach he plays for to have him play hustle man defense on who ever he guards and try to frustrate them, shot open jumpers and contend for rebounds. He will never be a wow player in my book, and most likely will never have a set role, but he will contribute. I would not waste anything more than a mid 2nd on him though, I think you can find qualities in a UDFA that will make him just as valuable off the bench as Green.

Sparhawk
06-26-2012, 04:16 PM
Be nice if Quincy was there at 26th.

Really?
06-26-2012, 04:28 PM
Be nice if Quincy was there at 26th.

Be nice if he was there and we did not pass on him... Interesting thing he has the potential to be KD lite, I wonder with Prichard passing on KD the first time would he try to grab a player with similar game and potential if he had the chance.

BTW KD way better than Miller at this age, and mindset was different, not saying He will turn out to be KD, lol.

PacerGuy
06-27-2012, 09:48 AM
More updates this WM - changes in top 10,
Can someone w/ access post Chad's new 9.3?

ballism
06-27-2012, 09:55 AM
More updates this WM - changes in top 10,
Can someone w/ access post Chad's new 9.3?

It's exactly like 9.2, except Terrence Ross and Meyers swap places.
All these 9.x versions simply keep reshuffling the same few guys in the mid 1st.
And other than the Henson workout in Detroit, Chad doesn't really give good explanations for these changes.

*edit* no, actually MKG moves up a spot in this one

By the way, i love this quote: this is between Barnes and Kidd-Gilchrist. Both camps are confident their guy is the guy in Cleveland. ... Both guys desperately don't want to go to Sacramento.
If you are a Cleveland fan, this must feel good. Sacramento, not so much.

*edit 2* Hey, there's a spoiler option! That's something I didn't see before.




New Orleans

Anthony Davis

Position: PF
Height: 6-foot-11
Weight: 222 pounds
Age: 19
School: Kentucky

Analysis: The Hornets' big trade with the Wizards last week put their blueprint in sharp relief. This team is going young and will build around Davis. Although the Hornets won't be great next season, they're building a rock-solid foundation. In addition to the No. 1 pick, they now have the cap room to re-sign Eric Gordon and another significant free agent, plus the No. 10 pick.


Charlotte

Thomas Robinson

Position: PF
Height: 6-foot-9
Weight: 244 pounds
Age: 21
School: Kansas

Analysis: Robinson is a bit of a placeholder right now. The Bobcats have had the major players in for workouts but are in the process of seeing whether they'd be better off trading this pick. As we've reported the past three weeks, they're looking for multiple young assets in return.

The most likely scenario has the Bobcats swapping the No. 2 pick with Cleveland for the No. 4 pick and either pick No. 24 or picks 33 and 34. Obviously, the Bobcats would prefer the 24th pick, but the Cavs would prefer to hold on to it. Although the Cavs aren't the only team in play for the pick, they have the most realistic scenario right now and likely would take Bradley Beal at No. 2. If the Bobcats end up keeping the pick, it sounds as though Robinson has a slight edge.


Washington

Bradley Beal

Position: SG
Height: 6-foot-5
Weight: 202 pounds
Age: 18
School: Florida

Analysis: The Wizards made the first big trade of the offseason, sending Rashard Lewis and the 46th pick to New Orleans for Emeka Okafor and Trevor Ariza. With the deal, the Wizards essentially upgraded their front court -- Okafor likely will be their starting 5, Nene their starting 4 and Ariza their starting 3.

With John Wall running the point, that leaves them with one big hole: at the 2. I think this makes Beal a no-brainer for the Wizards, who are lacking a lights-out perimeter shooter. He's a perfect fit for this new roster. And if the Wizards believe they are in danger of losing Beal, don't be surprised if they offer the Bobcats the No. 32 pick to move up one spot. If Beal is off the board, it looks as though Harrison Barnes is Plan B.


Cleveland

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist

Position: SF
Height: 6-foot-8
Weight: 233 pounds
Age: 18
School: Kentucky

Analysis: We'll be going back and forth on this one right up until the draft. If the Cavs don't move up to No. 2 to take Beal, this is between Barnes and Kidd-Gilchrist. Both camps are confident their guy is the guy in Cleveland. But after hearing on Monday that Barnes was, in fact, the pick, it looks like the pendulum has swung back in MKG's direction. Both guys desperately don't want to go to Sacramento. If I'm Chris Grant, I make them go one-on-one, Kwame Brown-Tyson Chandler style, on Thursday morning.

One other scenario worth reporting: Terrence Ross will be in Cleveland on Wednesday for a private workout. He won't go No. 4. But he also won't be on the board when Cleveland picks again, at No. 24. If the Cavs can't get to No. 2, are they thinking about moving down a few spots?


Sacramento

Harrison Barnes

Position: SF
Height: 6-foot-8
Weight: 228 pounds
Age: 20
School: North Carolina

Analysis: Someone isn't going to be very happy and it might be Barnes. Not only does he really not want to go to Sacramento, but it's possible the Kings trade this pick and he slides down even further. We think the stopping point is Golden State at No. 7, but don't be so sure (see Warriors comment below). I doubt he would slide past Toronto, though. The Raptors love, love, love Barnes at No. 8.


[#6] Portland (via Nets)

Damian Lillard

Position: PG
Height: 6-foot-3
Weight: 189 pounds
Age: 21
School: Weber State

Analysis: Not sure which way this goes, folks. ... Not sure the Warriors do either. Jerry West is a big fan of Dion Waiters. Owner Joe Lacob isn't sure if they can pass on the size and potential of Andre Drummond. I usually pick the owner in these types of fights. ... Then again, this is Jerry West you're talking about.

I'm also not totally sure if the Waiters thing isn't a ruse to get the Raptors to give up something to swap picks. That sort of stuff happens this time of year.



Golden State

Andre Drummond

Position: C
Height: 7-foot-0
Weight: 279 pounds
Age: 18
School: UConn

Analysis: The Warriors are desperate to add an athletic big man to their front line. So Drummond should be a no-brainer, right? Wrong. The front office and ownership also love players with a great motor, which Drummond lacks. Although he's not an ideal fit, I don't think the Warriors will be able to pass on Drummond if he slides this far. If they do pass on him, however, Dion Waiters and Tyler Zeller are in the mix.

The dark-horse pick is Washington's Terrence Ross. Jerry West is a big fan and was the mastermind behind last year's pick of Klay Thompson. Ross isn't a perfect fit, either, but the Warriors will focus on collecting assets at this point.


Toronto

Dion Waiters

Position: SG
Height: 6-foot-4
Weight: 221 pounds
Age: 20
School: Syracuse

Analysis: I don't believe the Raptors promised to pick Waiters at No. 8; most signs point to the Suns making him that promise at No. 13. However, Toronto is the only team that has worked him out and really needs a guard who can get to the basket at will.

Jeremy Lamb and Austin Rivers are also possibilities here, but from everything I can gather, Waiters is in the lead.


Detroit

John Henson

Position: PF
Height: 6-foot-10
Weight: 216 pounds
Age: 21
School: North Carolina

Analysis: Meyers Leonard occupied this spot for roughly six hours before Henson reclaimed it. Why? Henson, Leonard, Tyler Zeller, Perry Jones, Terrence Jones and Jared Sullinger all worked out in Detroit on Monday, and the consensus was that Henson really shined. The Pistons really need a shot-blocker, and Henson fits the bill.


New Orleans
(via Wolves)

Austin Rivers

Position: SG
Height: 6-foot-5
Weight: 203 pounds
Age: 19
School: Duke

Analysis: After the first nine picks, things start to break down a little bit. The Hornets can go in a lot of directions and also are exploring trades. Sources say they offered the Rockets the 10th pick for Nos. 14 and 16 but were turned down last week.

If they keep the pick, they really need help at center, point guard and small forward. Although Rivers doesn't fill any of those positions, I'm told the Hornets have been enamored with him. Tyler Zeller, Jeremy Lamb and Moe Harkless are other possibilities here.


[#11] Portland

Tyler Zeller

Position: C
Height: 7-foot-0
Weight: 247 pounds
Age: 22
School: North Carolina

Analysis: If the Blazers go with a guard at No. 6, don't be surprised if they go big with their other selection. Zeller isn't a sexy pick, but he is capable of playing right now, has solid size for his position and runs the floor well. Other possibilities here include Dion Waiters, Austin Rivers, Jeremy Lamb and Terrence Ross.


Milwaukee

Terrence Ross

Position: SG
Height: 6-foot-7
Weight: 197 pounds
Age: 21
School: Washington

Analysis: Ross worked out for the Bucks on Tuesday. I don't think it was a game-changer, but if Tyler Zeller is off the board, I think they might opt for Ross over Meyers Leonard. Yes, they need a big man more, but they also need a big wing who can shoot the basketball and there is a lot of pressure in Milwaukee to win now. Leonard is a project. Ross can play right now.


Phoenix

Jeremy Lamb

Position: SG
Height: 6-foot-5
Weight: 179 pounds
Age: 20
School: UConn

Analysis: Lamb suffered a high ankle sprain in a workout in Toronto and has struggled to get well enough to resume workouts. Although GMs think he's talented, they have questioned his toughness. His inability to work out has hurt him a bit, too.

However, Lamb went into Phoenix this weekend and toughed out a workout on the bad ankle. A source in Phoenix told me the Suns were impressed with his toughness and willingness to fight through the workout. His performance there could keep him in the lottery. If Lamb is gone, Terrence Ross, Dion Waiters and Austin Rivers are all possibilities here. So is Arnett Moultrie.

Houston

Meyers Leonard

Position: C
Height: 7-foot-1
Weight: 250 pounds
Age: 20
School: Illinois

Analysis: I have serious doubts that the Rockets are actually making this pick. Serious doubts. But if they are, they do need size and Leonard has solid long-term potential.

Philadelphia

Perry Jones III

Position: PF
Height: 6-foot-11
Weight: 234 pounds
Age: 20
School: Baylor

Analysis: Jones might be the toughest player in the draft to project right now. Everyone is both scared to take him and scared not to take him. (I've heard the same assessment from a number of NBA GMs the past few weeks.)

Whichever GM first overcomes his fear gets a super-athletic, 6-foot-11 forward who lacks the motor or toughness teams usually look for in a big man. But at some point, the reward outweighs the risk, and that calculation probably starts here. Terrence Ross, Arnett Moultrie, Moe Harkless and Jared Sullinger are other possibilities.


[#16] Houston (via Knicks)

Moe Harkless

Position: SF
Height: 6-foot-9
Weight: 207 pounds
Age: 19
School: St. John's

Analysis: The Rockets are looking for assets as they try to package players to facilitate a trade. Adding Harkless to their stock of young players might be a smart move. Lots of teams have shown interest in him. He is athletic, has great upside and can defend multiple positions. He's sort of a young Trevor Ariza.


Dallas

Terrence Jones

Position: PF
Height: 6-foot-10
Weight: 252 pounds
Age: 20
School: Kentucky

Analysis: Rejoice, Mavs fans. After weeks and weeks of having Kendall Marshall going No. 17 to the Mavs, we have a new name for you. Although I still believe the Mavs really like Marshall, it would be tough to pass on Jones here. His versatility, rebounding and shot-blocking would all be welcome in Big D. The Mavs are another team that has been actively exploring moving up in the draft the past few days.


Rockets (from Wolves via Jazz)

Arnett Moultrie

Position: PF
Height: 6-foot-11
Weight: 223 pounds
Age: 21
School: Mississippi State

Analysis: The Wolves have agreed to send the 18th pick in the draft to the Rockets for Chase Budinger. We'll leave Arnett Moultrie here for now because the Rockets do like him. But the plan is clear. The Rockets are trying to package 14, 16 and 18 and Kyle Lowry to get multiple top-10 picks to offer to the Magic for Dwight Howard. I seriously doubt the Rockets will actually be selecting here on draft night.


Orlando

Jared Sullinger

Position: PF
Height: 6-foot-9
Weight: 268 pounds
Age: 20
School: Ohio State

Analysis: I'm not sure when the bleeding will end for Sullinger, whose stock is falling now that concerns about his back have every GM in the league a bit skittish. However, sources say the Suns and Sixers are still considering him in the middle of the first round.

The Magic also could use a real low-post scorer. Sullinger is the top talent left on the board and a player who could come in and contribute immediately.


Denver

Kendall Marshall

Position: PG
Height: 6-foot-4
Weight: 198 pounds
Age: 20
School: North Carolina

Analysis: Andre Miller's contract is up with the Nuggets this summer, and, in most every way, Marshall is the perfect replacement. They have similar builds and games. Although Ty Lawson is the clear starter in Denver, the Nuggets could really use depth at the position. Royce White and Andrew Nicholson are options here, as well.


[#21] Boston

Royce White

Position: SF
Height: 6-foot-8
Weight: 261 pounds
Age: 21
School: Iowa State

Analysis: White pulled out of all his remaining workouts on Thursday and has gone silent. He's not injured, and sources say he's received a coveted first-round promise from a team. Promises are notoriously hard to pin down. Two sources are pointing in the direction of the Celtics, but a Celtics source adamantly denies they are the source of the promise.

Either way, I think White is a good fit in Boston. As long as coach Doc Rivers can buy into what White is (a ballhandling power forward) and figure out how to play him, he could be a steal at this point in the draft.


Boston (via Clippers)

Andrew Nicholson

Position: PF
Height: 6-foot-10
Weight: 234 pounds
Age: 22
School: St. Bonaventure

Analysis: Nicholson is another draft sleeper who might really rise with workouts. He's a big stretch 4 who has drawn some comparisons to David West. He would be another welcome addition to the Celtics' summer makeover.


Atlanta

Tony Wroten Jr.

Position: PG
Height: 6-foot-6
Weight: 203 pounds
Age: 18
School: Washington

Analysis: The Hawks don't have any depth behind point guard Jeff Teague. Sources say that, in the past few weeks, they've become enamored with Wroten. His shot is broken and he can be wild, but he has enormous upside as a big point guard who can see the floor and get to the rim.


Cavs (via Lakers)

Fab Melo

Position: C
Height: 7-foot
Weight: 255 pounds
Age: 22
School: Syracuse

Analysis: If the Cavs go small with their first pick, Melo could be a nice get with No. 24. He's big and athletic, and he could end up being a terrific shot-blocker. The fact that they have fellow Brazilian Anderson Varejao to mentor him is a bonus.

Memphis

Marquis Teague

Position: PG
Height: 6-foot-2
Weight: 180 pounds
Age: 19
School: Kentucky

Analysis: The Grizzlies lack great depth at point guard behind Mike Conley (unless you're the guy who somehow voted Josh Selby to the all-rookie third team). Teague, had he stayed in school another year, would've been a likely top-10 pick in 2013. A team such as the Grizzlies can't afford to pass on his talent here.



[#26] Indiana

Draymond Green

Position: SF
Height: 6-foot-8
Weight: 236 pounds
Age: 22
School: Michigan State

Analysis: The Pacers have a big workout scheduled for Tuesday with Green, Will Barton, Kim English and Jeff Taylor that could decide the No. 26 pick. I'm hearing increasingly that the Pacers are very high on Green. He's a smart, tough player who can come in and fill a need immediately for Indiana. Larry Bird has made similar picks in years past and done OK with them. I don't think Green will slide past here. If he's off the board, Barton could be the guy.


Miami

Jeff Taylor

Position: SF
Height: 6-foot-7
Weight: 212 pounds
Age: 23
School: Vanderbilt

Analysis: The Heat could use Taylor's elite athletic ability, lockdown defense and spot-up shooting. He can't create his own shot, but no one will ask him to in Miami, making this the perfect spot for him to land.


Oklahoma City

Evan Fournier

Position: SG
Height: 6-foot-7
Weight: 206 pounds
Age: 19
Country: France

Analysis: Fournier is the type of player the Thunder easily could stash for a year or two in Europe. Or, given the high level he has played at in France, he might be able to come in and get minutes for them right away -- especially if the Thunder decide they can't afford to re-sign James Harden this summer.


Chicago

Will Barton

Position: SG
Height: 6-foot-6
Weight: 174 pounds
Age: 21
School: Memphis

Analysis: The Bulls are looking at a number of 2-guard options here, but Barton has separated himself from the pack in the past few weeks. He could go as high as 18 to the Wolves, and I don't think he'll slide past Chicago here.


Golden State
(via Spurs)

Quincy Miller

Position: SF
Height: 6-foot-10
Weight: 219 pounds
Age: 19
School: Baylor

Analysis: There are a lot of concerns about his knee and what position he'll play in the NBA. But his upside is so high that it might be worth taking a gamble this low in the first round. There's very little risk and a lot of potential reward here.

Lance George
06-27-2012, 04:38 PM
Good read on Royce White:

The Mystery Pick Is Royce White - 07.02.12 - SI Vault (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1200858/index.htm)


In a draft with only one sure thing, a top prospect's mental disorder raises the question, How much risk are teams willing to accept?

Two years ago, after declaring that he was done with college basketball, the most perplexing prospect in Thursday's NBA draft taught himself to play the piano. Those who know 6'8", 265-pound Royce White, of course, weren't terribly surprised. He has always felt an acute connection to music and its subversive icons. If you ask him about his idols, he'll skim over Michael Jordan to hold forth—for hours, if you'd like—on John Lennon, Prince and Frank Sinatra. But it was not until early 2010 that White dared to attempt, and perfect, his very first chord. "I looked around," White recalls, "and I said, 'Oh, s---: I'm not a basketball player. This is real life.'"

It's a cumulous June afternoon in Ames, Iowa, and White is sitting in the back room of The Asylum, a tattoo parlor just across the street from Iowa State. In 48 hours he will work out for and field questions from Larry Bird and the Pacers, one of eight scheduled predraft visits. But no job interview can deter White from conscripting an artist named Hot Rod to work on the forward's 13th and most detailed tattoo yet: a portrait of Ol' Blue Eyes himself, abutting the words ATTACK EVERYTHING ALWAYS on his bulging left forearm.

As the needle purrs, the bushy-bearded White talks. "I'm all about transparency," he says. Topics include: the known universe ("Have you heard about the Eagle Nebula? It's a gaseous pillar, 7,000 light years away"); existential philosophy (he's fond of quoting Nietzsche); past missteps at Minnesota, where White never played a millisecond; his lone season on the court for Iowa State, where he established himself as the nation's foremost quintuple threat; and, in between, that plunge into music—which helped him cope with the subject that has propelled NBA talent evaluators into uncharted territory.

White, 21, is the first prospect to freely say that he suffers from anxiety and a severe fear of flying. And he has turned mental illness into a cause célèbre, even if his candor may cost him millions. "It would've been selfish for me to say I'm not going to start helping people the way I want to because I want to make it to the NBA," he says.

Understand: As a redshirt sophomore this past year, White was the only Division I player to lead his team in points (13.4), rebounds (9.3), assists (5.0), steals (1.2) and blocks (0.9). A balletic point power forward, he can bench 185 pounds 28 times, as much as an NFL lineman. Opposing coaches have likened him to Magic Johnson, Kevin McHale and Charles Barkley. "It's unfair to Royce," says Cyclones assistant Matt Abdelmassih, "but LeBron is the one guy you can compare him to."

Still, White says, "I'm a 'high-risk, high-reward' player," mocking a popular scouting refrain. His agent, Andrew Vye, and Cyclones coach Fred Hoiberg, a 10-year NBA vet and former Timberwolves vice president, attest that they've never seen such a wide range of potential landing spots for a player, stretching from the lottery into the second round. Which is all to say that NBA executives have been struggling to answer a familiar question: Who is Royce White?

The National Institute of Mental Health will tell you that 26.2% of Americans ages 18 and older suffer from a diagnosable mental disorder. But only one active NBA player, free-agent guard Delonte West, is on record admitting to such a problem. So did White, who lists raising mental health awareness as one of his life goals, rehearse a psychiatric spiel for his interviews? Commit family-friendly definitions of anxiety to index cards? "Everybody around me is trying to get me to do that," he says. "Hell, no."

White's inner circle knows a fundamental truth: In a draft with one sure thing—Kentucky's Anthony Davis going No. 1 to the Hornets—the careers of G.M.'s will rise and fall on the valuation of intangibles, sports' preferred euphemism for the hurdles separating promise from performance. Can Baylor forward Perry Jones III develop a killer instinct? Will UConn big man Andre Drummond have the work ethic to fully exploit his 7'7" wingspan? Does Syracuse center Fab Melo's off-court dysfunction prefigure trouble to come?

White was 16 when he started having agonizing panic attacks, and a doctor finally diagnosed generalized anxiety disorder—defined as a pattern of constant worry—when he was a senior at Hopkins High in Minnetonka, Minn. Before his current 20-milligram daily regimen of medication, his mother, Rebecca, would take him on drives along the Mississippi River whenever his anxiety swelled. After an hour with the window down, hard air in Royce's face, his heartbeat usually slowed.

Today, White's panic really surges only around airplanes, the residue of a lifelong fear of heights. "I know flying's safer than driving," he says. "But if I even start to talk about flying, it does something to me physically." Most often, his ride to the airport—when his imagination begins to fixate on the possibility of a crash—winds up being more punishing than the flight, which White survives by watching movies and interrogating attendants about the slightest bumps and noises. "It's an adrenaline thing," he says. "If the plane goes down, I'm ready to open the door, cartwheel out, and try to hit a tuck-and-roll on the ground."

Given that the lower stratosphere serves as the modern NBA's freeway, White's anxiety ranks as the most pressing matter teams make calls about. Hoiberg points out that White flew on all but three of Iowa State's road trips (including to a preseason tour in Italy); his grandfather drove him for the others. In those cases, White says, his goal was to give the team "the best version of me" in must-win games.

In sit-downs with White, however, NBA officials have warned that the pros will be less accommodating. The Heat told him that he wouldn't be allowed to drive even the four hours to Orlando. "It's understandable," White says. "But in my head, I'm going, You want me to drive. You're paying me millions of dollars to perform.... We're not all alike."

Beyond anxiety, in fact, White also deals with obsessive compulsive tendencies—undiagnosed, yes, but, after a guided tour of his apartment, exceedingly obvious. "OCD is like my gift," he says, smiling. White alphabetizes his DVD rack; symmetrically arranges his throw pillows; incessantly straightens his black-and-white framed posters of the Beatles and Muhammad Ali; and only sets his phone and wallet down at right angles. And then there's the five-shelf shoe rack in his bedroom. "If I'm walking and bump a shoe," White says, gesturing in front of the immaculate footwear, "it might take me three minutes to redo all this."

It was his OCD, White notes, that compelled him to right every crooked note and learn how to compose music in the first place. After withdrawing from Minnesota in February 2010—and spending two months working and sleeping in music studios around South Minneapolis—White and a friend put together drafts of more than 200 songs. "I'm kind of impulsive," White says, "and OCD is the thing God built in for me so I'll always finish things." He's written everything from movie scripts (one is about a city built around windmills) to business plans, outlining the structure of his enterprises (including a record label named IAMU). Where does he find the time? "I play sports all day," White says. "The last thing I want to do is watch them."

The most famous movie White has made is a YouTube video that he uploaded after 3 a.m. on Dec. 17, 2009. In it a hometown hero announces that he is retiring from basketball, a decision driven by two plot twists: an arrest for trying to shoplift $100 worth of clothes from the Macy's at the Mall of America (White pleaded guilty to theft and disorderly conduct); and a university probe into a stolen laptop that indefinitely extended his shoplifting suspension without producing anything besides a trespassing charge to which he pleaded guilty. "I'm a totally different human being now," says White, who had also been booted out of his first high school, DeLaSalle, for academic misconduct before his senior year. "I was partying a lot. I was too into myself. I wasn't being cautious."

In April 2009, for instance, he threw himself an 18th birthday party at a nightclub in Minneapolis, posting a flyer that said, BUY A DRINK, GET A DRINK ON ME. Conversely: This April, for his 21st, White leveraged his celebrity in Ames to hold a nonalcoholic party that raised nearly $3,000 for Orchard Place, a local nonprofit center devoted to kids with emotional and behavioral issues. "Ames," White says, "gave me a chance to find out who I am."

And when it comes to his sins, he takes ownership. "I don't blame anything on my mental illness," he says. "You rob a bank, you don't blame it on cancer. It's still your choice."

After unbanishing himself from hoops in the spring of 2010—"I wanted to prove to myself that I could be one of the best players in the country," he says—White chose Iowa State over Kentucky, primarily because he wanted to remain close to Angelic Aguilar, who would give birth to Royce Alexander White II the following February. Away from home for the first time, becoming a father while sitting out the season in Ames as a transfer, White embarked on a period of unsparing self-examination. Without basketball his interests in writing, music, business and philanthropy bloomed. "I needed something drastic to change how I was thinking," White says. "Being just another athlete wasn't my calling." His onetime superiors have taken note. His coach at Hopkins, Ken Novak, says, "I'd trust Royce with my bank account." Minnesota coach Tubby Smith gushes, "I'd take him in a heartbeat."

When White returned to the court, Hoiberg discovered that the forward had the skill, vision and selflessness to play the point—and relied on him for everything. "No, I don't think he'll ever be a knockdown shooter," Hoiberg concedes, but no matter: In February, White took all of one shot amid a flood of Oklahoma double teams, finishing with seven assists in a 77--70 win. In a 77--64 first-round NCAA tournament defeat of UConn, he grabbed the first rebound of the game, crossed over likely top 10 pick Drummond and went coast to coast for a slam. The next game, an 87--71 loss to Kentucky in which White had 23 points, nine rebounds and four assists, sent him to the NBA for good. Davis would allow that "Royce was beating us by himself"—outrunning the likely No. 1 selection down the floor, abusing lottery lock Michael Kidd-Gilchrist with spin moves, besieging the rim.

In the end, zero projected top 15 picks agreed to work out against White for NBA teams. Doing so would be best described as high risk, low reward.

To hear of a prospect with musical aspirations is to roll your eyes and wonder: Can he possibly be any good? White sits at the iMac in the makeshift studio in his apartment, feeling the weight of such presumptions. And he clicks on Logic Pro, a music editing program, striving to puncture them. White's songs are not hip-hop but pop rock. They are not amateurish but anthemic, blending a half-dozen instruments. And White does not even write them for himself; he aspires to produce. "The NBA is talking about my anxiety disorder," White says, speakers blaring. "What'll they do when I gotta accept a Grammy?"

The rumination doesn't end there. He also faults the league for inspiring so many inner-city kids to futilely devote their lives to basketball, adding, "I'm not scared of how David Stern is going to react when he hears that I said that." Instead of attending the draft, White is throwing a party in Ames to raise more money for Orchard Place.

Until then, he will keep grappling with the same old stressors. Already a light sleeper, White has traveled across the country, alone and wide-eyed, for the first time since he was a teenage recruit. "And I'm scared as hell," he admits. White flew commercial to five cities before Vye canceled his remaining workouts last week, fueling the latest round of intrigue—Is Royce hurt? Scared? The recipient of a first-round promise?

In those visits, puzzled execs liked to play casting director: Who are you? What can you be in the NBA? Magic? LeBron? Boris Diaw? The questioning was tense—not to mention ironic. The answer, tattooed and transparent, is still staring everyone in the face.

Follow @SIPabloTorre

And some addition blurbs via Twitter (https://twitter.com/#!/SIPabloTorre):

"Royce, on Michael Kidd-Gilchrist: 'I don't like that kid. He's too hyped up. He's not as good as they think he is. He's a kid. I'm a man.'"

"Royce, on hoops philosophy: 'I'm going to pass it to the open guy every time. He could miss 100 shots, and we're going to keep doing it.'"

"Asked Royce what he told Drummond, who'd downplayed ISU frontcourt, in ISU-UConn: 'You f----- up. You talked too much.' A teaching point.'"

And, from Royce himself (https://twitter.com/#!/Highway_30):


Royce White ‏@Highway_30
#BBN @MikeGillie14 I think he is VERY talented, my comments referred to our age difference, have nothing but respect for UK and Coach Cal!

The Tweet (https://twitter.com/GarmanSports/statuses/180766664470708224), which, I guess, started the beef between the two (from March):


Andy Garman ‏@GarmanSports
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist on guarding Royce White: *shrugs* "He's nothing special."

If we move up into the teens, I wouldn't be opposed to selecting him.

ballism
06-27-2012, 04:49 PM
If we move up into the teens, I wouldn't be opposed to selecting him.
Article dated July 2, 2012? And it says nothing about who we drafted?! :D
You need to use your time machine and find one with more info!

On a serious note, did he work out for us, and when?

Justin Tyme
06-27-2012, 05:07 PM
Article dated July 2, 2012? And it says nothing about who we drafted?! :D
You need to use your time machine and find one with more info!

On a serious note, did he work out for us, and when?


Yes. IIRC, he was in the first bunch of players to workout for the Pacers.

Pacersalltheway10
06-27-2012, 05:12 PM
I love the way White dissed the top dogs. That makes me like him even more. Whatever team he gets on, hopefully he does that to LeBron.

Really?
06-27-2012, 05:31 PM
Article dated July 2, 2012? And it says nothing about who we drafted?! :D
You need to use your time machine and find one with more info!

On a serious note, did he work out for us, and when?

yup, i believe he was with the first group, had a good interview as well

Lance George
06-27-2012, 05:46 PM
White an Eye-Opening Prospect :: Caught in the Web :: Pacers.com (http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/white-eye-opening-prospect)

A 3:30 interview's in the link above.


There is very little Royce White cannot do well on a basketball court. With point guard skills in a chiseled 6-8, 270-pound physique, the Iowa State forward may well have been the most complete player in the college game in 2011-12.

He was the only one to lead his team in scoring (13.4), rebounding (9.3), assists (5.0), steals (1.2) and blocked shots (0.9).

Judged by physical ability alone, he compares well with many projected lottery picks.

But White knows that will be only part of the equation on draft night. An anxiety disorder present since youth but diagnosed in 2008 could well damage his draft stock.

It isn't something he's trying to hide -- quite the contrary. White is using his platform to help educate the public about the disorder, as well as helping those who share it.

"I'm not ashamed that I have anxiety disorder and I hope that people do take it into account, not to be sensitive to it or insensitive to it but just know it and try to understand it and learn just like I am," said White, one of six players in the Pacers' first pre-draft workout Monday at Bankers Life Fieldhouse.

"I have anxiety and 18 percent of Americans have it, as well. I like talking about it because there are other people out there who need help and draw inspiration from athletes or whoever it may be that is talking about it."

The disorder kept him from signing with Kentucky, because concern about the flight triggered a panic attack and the trip to Lexington was canceled. He wound up at Iowa State instead, playing for former Pacers guard Fred Hoiberg, and prospered in the family-oriented environment in Ames.

"He went public with it a couple of years ago and helped a lot of people," Hoiberg said. "That's what I thought was most impressive about how he handled the disorder, was how many people he helped in the process. I can't tell you how many e-mails, or people stopping and talking to me about how he helped their kids that have anxiety. He would meet one-on-one with kids coming into our facility.

"He did a lot of good with that and helped a lot of people because of how well he copes with that disorder."

And here's how well he coped: Not once did White's disorder become a problem for the team or the program.

"I had him for two years and I never had any issues with him at all," Hoiberg said. "He's a good kid, he's a smart kid and his abilities on the basketball court are so unique I think whoever gets him is getting a heck of a player."

Though White is not a comfortable flyer, he has learned to cope. That's a critical, potentially deal-breaking factor in the NBA.

Asked how he deals with flying, White smiled and said, "Scared, that's how I deal with it."

"I just buckle in," he said. "Once I get on the plane and I'm in there it's not really as big of an issue. It's more going to the airport when I'm the most scared, in anticipation of the flight. Once I'm on the flight it's OK. I got my movie going, my music going, it's more how much energy I exert being scared on the way to the plane."

On the basketball court, there is no fear. White led Iowa State to a 23-11 record and its first NCAA Tournament berth since 2005. The Cyclones knocked off defending champion Connecticut 77-64 before falling to eventual champ Kentucky 87-71.

"Basketball, I've been playing so long now that's almost a comfort zone," he said. "In between the lines I'm as comfortable as anywhere else in my life because I've spent the most time there."

A troubled past that included disciplinary and legal issues that led to transfers in both high school and college (he originally signed with Minnesota) now seems distant as White prepares to embark on the next phase of his basketball journey.

The question for teams like the Pacers, who hold the 26th pick in the first round, is just how White projects into the NBA. He has frontcourt strength but backcourt skills. His game doesn't fit comfortably into any existing slots.

"He's basically a guard with a power forward's body," said former Kansas guard Tyshawn Taylor, who also worked out Monday and faced White and the Cyclones last season. "He handles the ball, he has great vision and he's a tough player. He's really good, man. When we first played against him we were kind of surprised and shocked."

White has been opening eyes on the basketball court with his talent for years. Maybe now, through his ability to confront and manage his anxiety disorder, he can open some minds, as well.

Lance George
06-27-2012, 06:50 PM
vs Kansas I (Thomas Robinson): 7-14, 18 points, 17 rebounds, 4 assists
vs. Kansas II (Thomas Robinson): 6-11, 18 points, 9 rebounds, 5 assists
vs. Baylor I (Perry Jones, III): 7-12, 14 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists
vs. Baylor II (Perry Jones, III): 3-8, 11 points, 11 rebounds, 4 assists
vs. UConn (Andre Drummond & Terrence Jones): 6-9, 15 points, 13 rebounds, 2 assists
vs. Kentucky (Anthony Davis): 9-12, 23 points, 9 rebounds, 4 assists

In six games vs. first-round NBA prospects:

.576 FG%
16.5 ppg
10.7 rpg
3.8 apg

He went head-to-head with quite possibly the top-two picks in the draft, Davis and Robinson (2x), three times, and you could make a strong argument he won all three individual match-ups (not to mention Terrence Jones).


Iowa State 73, #10 Kansas 82, January 14, 2012, Phog Allen Fieldhouse, Lawrence, KS
http://oi49.tinypic.com/348rd6v.jpg (http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=320142305)

Iowa State 72, #5 Kansas 64, January 28, 2012, James H. Hilton Coliseum, Ames, IA
http://oi47.tinypic.com/2a6l3yr.jpg (http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=320280066)

8S Iowa State 71, 1S Kentucky 87, March 17, 2012, KFC Yum! Center, Louisville, KY
http://oi46.tinypic.com/muel8w.jpg (http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=320770096)


• He won the scoring match-up all three times.
• He won the field-goal percentage battle all three times.
• He won the rebounding battle twice.
• He won the assist battle twice.
• He won the steals+blocks battle once, and tied once.

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He's moving way up on my draft wish list.

Sparhawk
06-27-2012, 06:54 PM
vs Kansas I (Thomas Robinson): 7-14, 18 points, 17 rebounds, 4 assists
vs. Kansas II (Thomas Robinson): 6-11, 18 points, 9 rebounds, 5 assists
vs. Baylor I (Perry Jones, III): 7-12, 14 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists
vs. Baylor II (Perry Jones, III): 3-8, 11 points, 11 rebounds, 4 assists
vs. UConn (Andre Drummond & Terrence Jones): 6-9, 15 points, 13 rebounds, 2 assists
vs. Kentucky (Anthony Davis): 9-12, 23 points, 9 rebounds, 4 assists

In six games vs. first-round NBA prospects:

.576 FG%
16.5 ppg
10.7 rpg
3.8 apg

He went head-to-head with quite possibly the top-two picks in the draft, Davis and Robinson (2x), three times, and you could make a strong argument he won all three individual match-ups (not to mention Terrence Jones).


Iowa State 73, #10 Kansas 82, January 14, 2012, Phog Allen Fieldhouse, Lawrence, KS
http://oi49.tinypic.com/348rd6v.jpg (http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=320142305)

Iowa State 72, #5 Kansas 64, January 28, 2012, James H. Hilton Coliseum, Ames, IA
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8S Iowa State 71, 1S Kentucky 87, March 17, 2012, KFC Yum! Center, Louisville, KY
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• He won the scoring match-up all three times.
• He won the field-goal percentage battle all three times.
• He won the rebounding battle twice.
• He won the assist battle twice.
• He won the steals+blocks battle once, and tied once.

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He's moving way up on my draft wish list.

You don't have to try and convince me. I really want White as well. But I want Lillard just a bit more. White is another Ron Artest, but without the unstable personality. He has issues, but definitely not anywhere close to unstable Ron Ron.

Really?
06-27-2012, 07:41 PM
vs Kansas I (Thomas Robinson): 7-14, 18 points, 17 rebounds, 4 assists
vs. Kansas II (Thomas Robinson): 6-11, 18 points, 9 rebounds, 5 assists
vs. Baylor I (Perry Jones, III): 7-12, 14 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists
vs. Baylor II (Perry Jones, III): 3-8, 11 points, 11 rebounds, 4 assists
vs. UConn (Andre Drummond & Terrence Jones): 6-9, 15 points, 13 rebounds, 2 assists
vs. Kentucky (Anthony Davis): 9-12, 23 points, 9 rebounds, 4 assists

In six games vs. first-round NBA prospects:

.576 FG%
16.5 ppg
10.7 rpg
3.8 apg

He went head-to-head with quite possibly the top-two picks in the draft, Davis and Robinson (2x), three times, and you could make a strong argument he won all three individual match-ups (not to mention Terrence Jones).

He's moving way up on my draft wish list.

Just wondering but are you sure he went head to head with these guys, many play different positions than him, non the less I still think he is draft worthy, oh yeah Terrence Jones is on Kentucky by the way instead of UCONN