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billbradley
06-22-2012, 09:13 AM
I posted in another thread that Brunner, Joe, Grady and Wells were all discussing this on 1070.

The consensus was that PG should play in Summer League so he can better learn how to be "the man."

Is this a slap in the face? Playing with the USA Select team, best in the world, then with mostly NBA rejects.

Or is it good to get PG ready and improve his game?

Unclebuck
06-22-2012, 09:32 AM
If he wants to then fine, if he doesn't I won't hold that against him. He is on the select team - when do they play?

spazzxb
06-22-2012, 09:34 AM
I posted in another thread that Brunner, Joe, Grady and Wells were all discussing this on 1070.

The consensus was that PG should play in Summer League so he can better learn how to be "the man."

Is this a slap in the face? Playing with the USA Select team, best in the world, then with mostly NBA rejects.

Or is it good to get PG ready and improve his game?

If Paul George made a request to not play in summer league thats one thing, however PG seams like the consumate gym rat. He was playing in LA summer leagues before the playoffs were even over so it would not surprise me if he was happy to play with the team. With the USA select team or other schedule conflicts he may not want to, but it would surprise me if he had a problem playing with Lance and Pendergraph for a week.

billbradley
06-22-2012, 09:36 AM
He was playing in LA summer leagues before the playoffs were even over

On 1070, they also discussed PG being in LA. They though it would be better for him to be in Indy with other teammates doing the workouts and drills the team wanted for PG's improvement.

billbradley
06-22-2012, 09:43 AM
He is on the select team - when do they play?

Team is...


Named earlier as members of the 2012 USA Basketball Select squad were: DeJuan Blair (San Antonio Spurs / Pittsburgh); DeMarcus Cousins (Sacramento Kings / Kentucky); DeMar DeRozan (Toronto Raptors / USC); Derrick Favors (Utah Jazz / Georgia Tech); Paul George (Indiana Pacers / Fresno State); Taj Gibson (Chicago Bulls / USC); Gordon Hayward (Utah Jazz / Butler); Kyrie Irving (Cleveland Cavaliers / Duke); Kawhi Leonard (San Antonio Spurs / San Diego State); Jeremy Lin (New York Knicks / Harvard); Klay Thompson (Golden State Warriors / Washington State); and John Wall (Washington Wizards / Kentucky).

plus Stiemsma and Lance Thomas.

Schedule...


Members of the USA Select Team will assemble in Las Vegas and conduct a training session July 5, then train with the USA National Team July 6-11 (12:00-3:00 p.m. PDT). All practices will take place at UNLV’s Mendenhall Center.

The USA National Team will open its 2012 training with a July 6-12 training camp in Las Vegas, Nev., that concludes with the July 12 (6:00 p.m. local time) USA Basketball Showcase that features the USA facing the Dominican Republic at UNLV’s Thomas & Mack Center. Tickets for the exhibition game can be purchased by calling 702-739-FANS or online at http://www.UNLVtickets.com/eventInfo/spe/310/usa-basketball/.

http://www.usabasketball.com/mens/national/12_SelectTeam_add2.html

Mackey_Rose
06-22-2012, 09:47 AM
On 1070, they also discussed PG being in LA. They though it would be better for him to be in Indy with other teammates doing the workouts and drills the team wanted for PG's improvement.

He is getting much, much better competition out there. If he's going to be one of the best, he needs to play with the best.

The best don't go to Vegas or Orlando.

PacersandIU
06-22-2012, 09:47 AM
I think him playing against the USA team would be better practice than destroying a bunch of DLeague scrubs... :\

billbradley
06-22-2012, 09:48 AM
He is getting much, much better competition out there. If he's going to be one of the best, he needs to play with the best.

The best don't go to Vegas or Orlando.

Who all does he play with in LA?

Their argument was he needs to get stronger and bigger.

Brad8888
06-22-2012, 09:52 AM
No.

He should work with other players who are already established at the NBA level anywhere he can find them. Summer league would be nothing more to him than an exhibition where he would learn the bad habits associated with being "the man" (no passing, everything is a highlight reel opportunity, etc.) as opposed to refining his game against NBA level competition.

imbtyler
06-22-2012, 09:53 AM
1. Paul George can use all the offseason work he can get.
2. Watching some of the Drew League highlights, where Paul is exhibiting his athleticism and aggressiveness, proves that he should do the same against NBA-level players, instead of LA-based underground players.
3. The more games a team can play together, the better. If Lance participates, as well as our draft pick(s), then I see no reason why Paul shouldn't be included.
4. Paul has to really step it up this year. The sooner he uses his skills against NBA players, and the more he gets accustomed to doing so, the better he'll produce in the regular season.
5. I just want to be able to watch more Paul George during the offseason. I wish I could watch Drew League games just so I could see him show out. He's really starting to fill his shoes as far as "coming of age" goes, and I think that it would look great on him to participate.

Mackey_Rose
06-22-2012, 09:54 AM
Who all does he play with in LA?

Their argument was he needs to get stronger and bigger.

I believe he is playing in the Drew League. I'm not sure who they have participating this year, but they have some of the best NBA players there every year.

Just by nature of there being so many top players from Southern California, the competition is much higher than he'd get working out at the Pacers' facility.

Kstat
06-22-2012, 09:54 AM
Summer league is for rookies and players looking to earn more playing time. Not starters on playoff teams.

billbradley
06-22-2012, 09:58 AM
Who is the most accomplished player in Summer League history?

Kstat
06-22-2012, 10:11 AM
Offhand, I'd guess Marco belinelli.

graphic-er
06-22-2012, 10:17 AM
Who starts at the 2 and 3 for that USA Select Team? You have DeRozen, George, Hayward, Leonard, and Thompson. I'd love to see George and Hayward as a tandem.
Any chance that one of these Select roster players gets picked up for the actual Olympic squad?

Really?
06-22-2012, 10:18 AM
Why do people think Summer League will help him learn how to be "The Man", it will be easy to be "The Man" with lesser competition and lesser players on your team, I doubt it will convert over to the regular season, for that he will need to learn how to be "The Man" when the team starts practicing together. Hopefully he will continue to get better and become more aggressive on offense during the summer, and then bring those skills back to Indy when he rejoins his teammates.

Sandman21
06-22-2012, 10:21 AM
I'd say both if possible. To me, having him play the summer league isn't so much that he can dominate, but so that the coaching staff get some more time to work with him and help develop his game.

Ownagedood
06-22-2012, 11:08 AM
Nah, I would like him to get some run as a go to guy and he would get that in summer league, but he would be playing against inferior competition which wont help at all.. I am not strongly against it but I don't want him to get used to playing against bad players and start thinking he is gonna be able to play like that against everyone..

Strummer
06-22-2012, 11:21 AM
Definitely not. The focus of the summer league needs to be on our draft pick, Lance, and Geoff. Having PG play and trying to be "the man" would just interfere with the development of the young guys.

pacer4ever
06-22-2012, 11:53 AM
Who all does he play with in LA?

Their argument was he needs to get stronger and bigger.

I watched PG play last week Josh Childress and Austin Daye guarded him the whole game in the drew league.

PacersHomer
06-22-2012, 06:50 PM
I can already picture him getting hurt in summer league and the same people who want him to play with those scrubs will be pissed at Bird & Vogel for letting him play in it.

Steagles
06-22-2012, 06:51 PM
If it helps his game, then absolutely!

Magic P
06-22-2012, 07:35 PM
I know injuries can occur any where but if PG got hurt in summer league I would be fuming.

spreedom
06-22-2012, 07:41 PM
Who is the most accomplished player in Summer League history?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=2513148


Artest talks midseason game in summer league

LAS VEGAS -- Caught his act myself Friday night. Ron Artest (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3339) is indeed playing Vegas.

He's officially a summer-leaguer for the Sacramento Kings (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=sac) and I'd say he's already in mid-season form.

At least with his proclamations.

Artest stopped for a brief chat with ESPN.com before helping a team of Sacramento youngsters and free-agent hopefuls to a 91-72 cruise past the New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets. It gave the king of Kings -- dubbed one day earlier by co-owner Joe Maloof as "the face of our franchise" -- an opportunity to tell me that A) he's guaranteeing a championship next season and B) he's refusing to let free-agent sidekick Bonzi Wells (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3254) leave the team.

You'll recall that Artest pronounced the Kings to be title-worthy before their tighter-than-expected series with San Antonio in the first round of the playoffs. But he's saying it even louder now even though Artest hasn't yet played a minute under new coach Eric Musselman, and even though Sacramento doesn't yet have an agreement to re-sign Wells.

"We're going to win a championship next year," Artest announced, "and continue from there."

As for Wells?

"Bonzi ... he has to come back," Artest said. "I've talked to him a couple times [since free agency began]. He has no choice but to come back, or else he's going to be in trouble with me and Mike Bibby (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3245).

"He has to come back or he's going to have to see me and Mike. We're going to take him into the bathroom, tie him up and whale on his legs."
Artest mentioned that plan twice, so I think he's serious.

He was a bit more subdued once he got on the floor against the Hornets, blending in as much as he ever can. Members of the Golden State Warriors (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=gsw)' summer squad, who played in the game before Sacramento's, lingered along the baseline for a bit to catch a glimpse of Artest mixing with NBA dreamers, but Artest gradually receded into a complementary role, intent on letting Kevin Martin (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3843) do most of the carrying.

Artest logged 25 minutes in his debut and finished with a quiet 12 points on 5-for-12 shooting. Yet he insists that these games are a useful means to get an early start on preseason conditioning and learning Musselman's system. Musselman doesn't coach the Kings' summer team but takes an active role in its practices, which already has Artest convinced that he'll have to be in better-than-ever shape because of "the way he runs and presses."

"There's some good players here," Artest said. "I play pickup ball every day and the talent is not as good as this talent. So what better place to play pick-up ball than Vegas?

"It's not like a walk in the park for me. These guys can play. This is game situations. [So] it gives me a chance to work on my defense. I'm pretty sure, because of the [defensive] reputation I have, [that] guys want to come at me."

Truth is, Artest should be applauded for making the trek to the Vegas Summer League. It's the truth even though he didn't fly into town until Thursday night, forcing Artest to miss Sacramento's opener here, and even if no one has any idea how long he'll stay.

In the glory days of summer league in the 1980s, big-name veterans making cameos were commonplace. I still remember my first trip to the L.A. Summer League in 1989: Dominique Wilkins and Karl Malone (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=213) were among the future Hall of Famers who dropped in unannounced for a good run.

Artest took it a step further and promised in advance to be here, which had the Maloof brothers -- watching their favorite player just a short drive from their family's Palms hotel -- struggling to contain their glee.

Says Joe: "Before, when you said 'Sacramento Kings,' you would have thought of Chris Webber (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=1272) or Vlade Divac (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=84). Now it's Ron Artest."
Three more interesting proclamations from King Ron:

• On the Indiana Pacers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=ind) losing Peja Stojakovic (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3119) to the Hornets in free agency after trading Artest to Sacramento for Stojakovic in January: "They didn't get stuck without nothing. [Second-year swingman] Danny Granger (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3943) is a really good player. Really good. He will fill the void. Definitely."

• On the coaching switch from Rick Adelman, whom he wanted the Kings to retain, to the stricter Musselman: "I'm hoping I never have to get disciplined. I'm just going to stay right and listen to coach. If he ever has to discipline me, I'll be ready to take that, but I'm not trying to ever get to that point."

• And reflecting on the San Antonio series: "I was suspended [for] Game 2 and we still could have won that game. I twisted my ankle bad in Game 6 and Bonzi pulled his hamstring bad in Game 6. That was our series to win. I was saying that all along, that we would have a chance to win a championship. We were right."

I'm not quite sure how a six-game exit in the first round validates a championship prediction, but this was not the night to quibble. You don't expect to see a true showman in summer league anymore, even in Vegas. So you enjoy the show when they show up.

LoneGranger33
06-22-2012, 08:28 PM
Who is the most accomplished player in Summer League history?

As far as the Pepsi Pro Summer League in Orlando, Travis Diener is a first-ballot Hall of Famer.

While attempting to find some stats to back that statement up, I stumbled across this ESPN article with a cringe-worthy headline:

Diener's on, Bird sees ROY for Morrison
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2518659

Eleazar
06-22-2012, 09:26 PM
As long as you are allowed I think pretty much every player should play in the summer league. Now if it is between playing in the summer league, and playing with the select team or somewhere with better competition obviously you go with the better competition.

Hoop
06-22-2012, 10:13 PM
I would think he is at the level of player that doesn't play in the summer league anymore. If He wants to fine, if not, he shouldn't have to.

Either way, I don't think we have to worry about him training hard, he seems to be self motivated.

PR07
06-22-2012, 11:13 PM
I'm fairly indifferent on this.

Yes, he'd be able to score a lot of points, but is scoring 35 points against a bunch of largely fringe, non-NBA talents the same as dropping that on Kobe? I think you build confidence, knowledge, and skill by playing against elite level competition. George already knows he can defend guys like Rose and Wade, it's not just about consistently being able to score against them.

Bball
06-23-2012, 01:50 AM
He needs to be wherever the things he needs to work on will be worked on...

aero
06-23-2012, 05:14 AM
One of the main things Paul needs to work on is his straight he works on that and it will help him out alot imo

PaulGeorge
06-23-2012, 05:34 AM
NOOOooooooo this isn't even an argument. You don't send player like PG back to summer league. I agree with most on here that playing against the olympic team is the best he can do for this offseason. I just hope he can learn alot from the from those players.

LA_Confidential
06-23-2012, 01:26 PM
If summer league helps him and gives him the confidence to maximize his talent, then he needs to be there.

OlBlu
06-23-2012, 01:39 PM
It did nothing for McBrick's game and it won't for George either. He can do better working out with great players around the country. It would be an insult.......:cool:

imawhat
06-23-2012, 02:17 PM
I'm more concerned that he spends the summee working out and playing with chucker's anonymous (Nick Young, Jordan Crawford and to a lesser extent Granger).

George is a great athlete with good defenssive instincts, but he needs to learn how to become a basketball player. I'd rather he spends the summer playing with smart basketball players but instead he'll probably spend all of training camp unlearning the bad habits he picked up from Chucker's Anonymous.

ksuttonjr76
06-23-2012, 05:34 PM
No real opinion. I wouldn't mind him playing in the Summer League if he had a particular goal to achieve each game kinda like the My Player mode in NBA 2K12, lol. For example...

Game 1 - Score only on dunks.
Game 2 - Dribble only with your left hand.
Game 3 - Get 5 steal and 5 blocks.
Game 4 - Score 50 points

BlueNGold
06-23-2012, 07:50 PM
If summer league helps him and gives him the confidence to maximize his talent, then he needs to be there.

That's how I see it for him. He needs to learn how to produce consistently as "the man" and it would be a good proving ground for that. If he can't be "the man" in summer league, the team needs to shift their expectations of him...because it will be time for him to do this easily....and I do think that starting the year with that could help his confidence.

pogi
06-23-2012, 09:56 PM
I'm all for whatever gets him to learn to dribble better. He has some of the worst handles for the type of player that we all are expecting him to be. At least, that's JMHO.

BigAndy
06-23-2012, 09:57 PM
No real opinion. I wouldn't mind him playing in the Summer League if he had a particular goal to achieve each game kinda like the My Player mode in NBA 2K12, lol. For example...

Game 1 - Score only on dunks.
Game 2 - Dribble only with your left hand.
Game 3 - Get 5 steal and 5 blocks.
Game 4 - Score 50 points


I wish this was really. It might hurt our other players' development, but I would be so entertained that I wouldn't care.

OlBlu
06-23-2012, 10:01 PM
I'm all for whatever gets him to learn to dribble better. He has some of the worst handles for the type of player that we all are expecting him to be. At least, that's JMHO.

Maybe Granger should play summer league too? He needs to learn some of these things too.........:cool:

beast23
06-23-2012, 11:30 PM
I personally think that this is George's most important summer. Many players, after being in the league a couple of years and learning the ropes, make their greatest leap in improvement in their third year.

If he really wants to become a great player, someone who is looked at as the best and most untouchable player on his team, then I think its time he got off the pot and gets himself really focused at improving his weaknesses.

He needs to become a much better ball handler. Some say this is a skill that just isn't improved that much. I don't buy that at all. I believe that if a player cannot significantly improve his handles, he can improve them in a couple of areas to the point where his confidence at driving the ball and occasionally handling the ball in traffic does greatly improve.

With George, confidence means that there will be far less hesitation at taking that quick first step of his and getting to the hole. That ability is an absolute must.

I also believe that George must continue to improve his shooting on the perimeter and also in his mid-range game. If he is able to do this, then it will greatly open up his opportunities to drive the ball.

So many talk about getting rid of Granger for various reasons, moving George to SF and either moving Hill to SG with a new PG or obtaining a new SG altogether. Unfortunately, that is not possible because George isn't ready yet. George needs a little additional strength to play SF for heavy minutes on a nightly basis, as well as the improvements mentioned above.

Right now, George probably plays SG on par with Granger's ability to play the position. Even though he is not the scorer that Granger is, he might actually be a tad better than Granger could be at SG. However, the comparison of their abilities to play SF isn't even close... yet.

The best flexibility that Bird could be provided for future trades (beyond the coming season) would be a significant improvement in George. Any time the skill set of your best player can be replaced by another player on your roster, your possibilities for making difference-making trades are greatly improved.

George may be approaching his final opportunity for delivering that improvement. Either he makes those strides in preparation for next season and proves himself, or he may find himself being traded next summer so that the Pacers do not have to face renegotiating the contract of a player that just can't seem to blossom... but that many teams seem to covet.

If summer league will help George make the necessary improvement, then I'm all for it... as he should be as well.

xBulletproof
06-24-2012, 08:17 AM
I think George's biggest issue with his dribble is physical strength. When he gets bumped it's harder for him to control the ball than most players because he gets jarred so easily. He needs to get into a program to physically strengthen his body from top to bottom.

That and he needs to quit going into what I call 'sissy mode' where he seems unsure and tentative. When he's assertive and attacking he doesn't lose the ball as much because he's playing stronger, and initiating the contact so he's more prepared for it. Along with sissy mode, comes all those cute passes and cute layups. If I'm coaching every damn time I saw one of those I would rip him a new one. I hate it. He can be so much better than that.

I'm 6'3 and 210 lbs. I used to play basketball against a guy that was 6'8 and 260. Yet, I would move him around the rim, go at him and over him anytime I wanted. When he would get mad at talk ****, I would just look at him and tell him to shut up, "you're big for no damn reason" was my favorite thing to tell him. It made him so mad. If God made me 6'8 and 260 I would have been killing everyone on the court. That's how I feel about Paul sometimes. He's so aloof sometimes that he's big and athletic for no reason. He has all the ability to be a star player, but I'm doubting he ever will be. The best players in this game always feel like they need to prove something. They feel that everyone doubts them even if nobody really does. Paul seems the opposite, that he feels as though he doesn't have something to prove all the time. That's worrisome when I think about how he can fulfill his potential.

Really?
06-25-2012, 03:11 PM
If summer league helps him and gives him the confidence to maximize his talent, then he needs to be there.

Yeah, but why would he, the competition that he will play against over the summer is on the same exact level if not better than the teams playing in the NBA summer league


No real opinion. I wouldn't mind him playing in the Summer League if he had a particular goal to achieve each game kinda like the My Player mode in NBA 2K12, lol. For example...

Game 1 - Score only on dunks.
Game 2 - Dribble only with your left hand.
Game 3 - Get 5 steal and 5 blocks.
Game 4 - Score 50 points

Hilarious, it would be horrible for everyone else and would be a waste of the Pacers time, but would be fun to see him go after those.


Maybe Granger should play summer league too? He needs to learn some of these things too.........:cool:

I think I remember KD coming to play with the young guys one year, but it was not anything serious, but yeah after 2 years in the league for me it is hard to justify putting someone on the summer league team, unless you are trying them at point and want to see how they handle it, or a 4 that you want to play the 5 so he can get more experience with his game in the low post.

Major Cold
06-25-2012, 03:16 PM
Offhand, I'd guess Marco belinelli.
Ron Artest will punch you for that mistake!!!

Eleazar
06-25-2012, 07:32 PM
George's biggest problem with handling the ball is that he is too loose and casual with the ball. When he is tighter with his handles, and not so casual, he is usually pretty good but it is a rare occurrence. It is something easily fixed in the right environment. On the offensive end I see him more like Reggie than a LeBron or Rose in attitude. So I wouldn't expect him to "the man" in the sense I think you guys are talking about, because that just isn't him.

In many ways he parallel's Rush. Rush showed the potential to be a top5 SG his rookie season, but he didn't have the right personality or attitude to reach that potential, so instead he turned into an excellent defender and shooter. Likewise George has shown the potential to be even better than Rush, but I don't think he has the personality or attitude to reach that potential. Where they differ though is George is a much more complete offensive player (while Rush is a much more complete defensive player), he seems to work harder (although this is hard to judge not being directly involved with the Pacers), and has a coach who isn't just going to relegate him to the corner.

PR07
06-25-2012, 08:17 PM
Often times, when George has the basketball to start a fast break, it looks like the ball is covered with butter. He has to tighten up his handles for sure this offseason.

Pingu
06-26-2012, 04:01 AM
I don't care about who plays in the summer league as long as Dante and Galante call the games.