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PacersRule
06-18-2012, 10:57 PM
With things so slow around here and watching Westbrook's performance in the finals, I just wanted to post a hypothetical question: If we were to swap George Hill with any of the mentioned point guards (neglect salary, age, character issues...), who would you want? For me, I'd want Westbrook, his play in the playoffs has been mind-blowing for me, and pretty much his only knock is not passing enough, but that's because they have Durant. If Westbrook was on the Pacers, man...

Westbrook, Rondo, Tony Parker, DRose, Chris Paul, Deron Williams.

Hypnotiq
06-18-2012, 10:59 PM
Rondo would be the best fit for our team IMO

PacersRule
06-18-2012, 11:06 PM
I thought about Rondo because of his passing abilities. However, I don't think Rondo would accumulate as many assists and highlights if he played on our squad. We don't have Garnet who he can throw alley-oops to inside the paint. Hibbert rely on post ups and DWest either post up or PnPs. Outside, we don't have shooters half as consistent as Ray Allen and we also don't have the scoring abilities of Pierce. That's why i think a point guard that can both score on his own and assist (Westbrook) is better than a point guard that mostly passes with no reliable outside shot (Rondo):)

pacer4ever
06-18-2012, 11:07 PM
would go with Paul but his knees scare me. I like Williams after that but I would take any of em.

rexnom
06-18-2012, 11:29 PM
I went with Rondo because I wanted a pass-first PG. Also, he is a year and a knee younger than Chris Paul.

If I had to go with only on-court play, I'd pick Paul.

Unclebuck
06-18-2012, 11:33 PM
Westbrook has never missed a game, all the others have had some injuries. For that reason alone I would take Westbrook long term.

If you are just looking at next season I tke Chris Paul

vnzla81
06-18-2012, 11:42 PM
I love Rondo but give me Westbrook, he is just a beast in the making, he has all the tools to be the best PG for a long time.

croz24
06-18-2012, 11:44 PM
I'd even take Collison over Hill ;-)

Hoop
06-19-2012, 12:01 AM
Paul is out a lot and always has some nagging injury, best PG though, IMO.

Rose, ACL worries me he'll never be the same.

Parker, great player I just think he's behind most of these guys listed.

Rondo, love him but I want my best player to be able to shoot also.

Westbrook, continues to win me over, he's like a power forward PG, still very young and getting better every day. He could be scary good.

Deron edges out Westbrook as my PG pick at this time. He has a 3pt shot, a mid range game, a post game, while not a amazing passer he sees the floor and can run a team. Seems to be clutch.

imbtyler
06-19-2012, 03:20 AM
Paul is out a lot and always has some nagging injury, best PG though, IMO.

Rose, ACL worries me he'll never be the same.

Parker, great player I just think he's behind most of these guys listed.

Rondo, love him but I want my best player to be able to shoot also.

Westbrook, continues to win me over, he's like a power forward PG, still very young and getting better every day. He could be scary good.

Deron edges out Westbrook as my PG pick at this time. He has a 3pt shot, a mid range game, a post game, while not a amazing passer he sees the floor and can run a team. Seems to be clutch.

All of the above, almost verbatim. Except I like to consider Westbrook a "power point" (yes I said it), even though "power guard" is more appropriate.

Also, Rondo is good for triple-doubles almost nightly. He would fit amazingly on the Pacers. He would especially fit because his jumper doesn't fall, and that's just like a lot of other Pacers (Hansbrough, Barbosa, Lance, and Paul and Danny on most occasions). However, that happens, so it would definitely be worth having him for his effort and leadership.

However, Deron Williams would be perfect. He does seem clutch, he has an amazing feel for the game. He can control the floor, and facilitate the offense. That's why I would love to have him on the team. With a supporting cast like the rest of the Pacers, he would really solidify his spot in the "Top PG in the NBA" rankings (in which he is usually viewed as a lower asset as compared to some of the others listed in this poll).

Will Galen
06-19-2012, 03:42 AM
Looking at that list, and then adding Wall, Irving, and Rubio, I don't believe there's ever been this many good point guards in the NBA. That said, I grew up watching Oscar play in high school, so that's the sort of point I prefer.

For the reasons many have already stated I like the 'W' guys Westbrook and Williams. Since Williams is a free agent and I'm hoping . . . fat chance I know . . . I voted for Williams.

ballism
06-19-2012, 04:16 AM
IMO, noone comes close to Paul. I wish he didn't have a knee injury, but that said, I think he's still likely to be great into his late 30s.
I worry much more about Rose; not so much about someone with Paul's shooting, passing, brains and mastery at probing the paint in slow motion.

Also, I'm in love with his leadership, both on the Hornets and this year. I think noone on that list compares to Paul in that regard.
He basically came in and took complete control of that Clippers team. When you watch him in games and on the bench, there's no question who's the Clippers leader, even though they have a number of guys with huge magnetic personalities. It was the same on the Hornets, but the trade has made it even more obvious.

Il Ragionier Ugo Fantozzi
06-19-2012, 06:19 AM
Deron.

Mac_Daddy
06-19-2012, 08:15 AM
I went with Westbrook, but it really comes down to he and Rondo for me. Rondo is a much better passer, but can't shoot. Westbrook is a better shooter and can create his own shots while still being a good passer, he just shoots too much here and there. Next tier is CP3 and D-Will. CP3 has a lot of heart and seems like a great leader. I don't feel the same from DWill. I'd love Parker, but I'm also thinking youth here.

A-Train
06-19-2012, 09:36 AM
Assuming his knee is fully recovered, and given his attitude and work ethic, I have to go with Derrick Rose. I see Rose as an athletic freak like Westbrook, but with a better sense of leadership and willingness to do what it takes to win. Westbrook still strikes me as a guy who is going to drive straight ahead doing what he wants to do, regardless if what he wants is necessarily what the Team needs.

BillS
06-19-2012, 09:53 AM
Aside from the other obvious reasons, I think where Deron is in his career meshes well with where the rest of our team is.

Ownagedood
06-19-2012, 09:59 AM
This is a really hard question.. First, because they not all would come at the same price, so I feel like I should judge who I would want on my team for the price they would be earning.. Also, it's tough when considering age and health.. I really want to pick Westbrook because he has the most upside, but then I really want to pick Rondo because he's got amazing passing ability, great at driving the lane and has the best defense of the Pg's... I feel CP3 is the best PG, but too injury prone. I feel Deron Williams is probably the safest pick, money wise, talent wise and "fit" wise.

MUpaceSIC
06-19-2012, 10:02 AM
Westbrook was the easy choice for me. Obviously all of these guys are very talented; however, Westbrook is young and still hasn't even reached his prime in my opinion. That seems pretty scary for the rest of the league in my book.

Really?
06-19-2012, 10:04 AM
Can not believe Westbrook has a significant amount of votes above Rose, no matter the injury or not.

Really?
06-19-2012, 10:09 AM
You guys know that Rose and Westbrook are the same age right, Rose only missed games this year, and has already got a MVP award.

Not even a Bulls fan but I hope Rose comes back and dominates next year.

Also if we are talking about long term, I am taking Kyrie over Westbrook anyways.

Since86
06-19-2012, 10:25 AM
I think Deron Williams. He might not be the best passer (Paul) or best scorer (Rose/Westbrook) but I think he has the best combination of both attributes.

vnzla81
06-19-2012, 10:29 AM
Can not believe Westbrook has a significant amount of votes above Rose, no matter the injury or not.

I don't think Rose is going to be the same after the injury.

Sparhawk
06-19-2012, 10:49 AM
Chris Paul

He's the best pg in the league.

Ace E.Anderson
06-19-2012, 11:09 AM
Can not believe Westbrook has a significant amount of votes above Rose, no matter the injury or not.

85% of Rose's game was dictated by his speed, quickness, and athleticism. He's not an above average shooter, passer, or floor general. After that devastating knee injury, it's going to be difficult for him to be the SAME player he was prior to the injury. They say it takes a full year before you fully recover from an ACL injury, but when so much of your game is predicated on your legs, it's going to be difficult to come back and be as good as you were prior.

Ace E.Anderson
06-19-2012, 11:14 AM
I'd choose Kyrie Irving if I had the choice of any PG in the league. He has the size, and has good athleticism (not On Westbrook's level) but the thing that separates him from other young PG's is the fact that he's already a very good shooter. He has the type of game that will "age" well, unlike a Westbrook or a Rose (pre-injury)

If I had to choose from the players that were listed I'd probably choose D Will for a lot of the same reasons I stated above. But also, he lacks the moodiness of Rondo, the injuries of CP3 and Rose, the wildness of Westbrook, and the playing age of Parker (he's still young, but after playing for so long his body is the body of a player in his early 30's at this point)

Really?
06-19-2012, 11:16 AM
85% of Rose's game was dictated by his speed, quickness, and athleticism. He's not an above average shooter, passer, or floor general. After that devastating knee injury, it's going to be difficult for him to be the SAME player he was prior to the injury. They say it takes a full year before you fully recover from an ACL injury, but when so much of your game is predicated on your legs, it's going to be difficult to come back and be as good as you were prior.

Good point, but until I see him struggle that is the direction I am going, just like Adrian Peterson, until I see him not be the same guy I am going to assume that he will be up to high level again. Maybe too optimistic, but we will see.

Really?
06-19-2012, 11:18 AM
I'd choose Kyrie Irving if I had the choice of any PG in the league. He has the size, and has good athleticism (not On Westbrook's level) but the thing that separates him from other young PG's is the fact that he's already a very good shooter. He has the type of game that will "age" well, unlike a Westbrook or a Rose (pre-injury)

If I had to choose from the players that were listed I'd probably choose D Will for a lot of the same reasons I stated above. But also, he lacks the moodiness of Rondo, the injuries of CP3 and Rose, the wildness of Westbrook, and the playing age of Parker (he's still young, but after playing for so long his body is the body of a player in his early 30's at this point)

Another vote for good ole Kyrie, I say one guy that has a chance to catch up with him as far as PG for the future in my book is Rubio, if he can get his shot together and get healthy you never know, but he also had a knee injury and he will have to prove he can come back to form as well.

ballism
06-19-2012, 11:18 AM
I'm a bit surprised by CP3 getting called injury prone. He had a knee surgery, so that's a valid concern. But is that a reason to call him injury prone? Before the injury and since, he's been one of the healthier players in the league. If anything, Rondo, D-Will and Parker are injury prone by comparison.

A-Train
06-19-2012, 11:33 AM
Good point, but until I see him struggle that is the direction I am going, just like Adrian Peterson, until I see him not be the same guy I am going to assume that he will be up to high level again. Maybe too optimistic, but we will see.

I was thinking the same thing about Peterson. If he's able to come back and resemble his old self, then that bodes well for Rose doing the same thing (yes, I'm aware that everyone is different). Maybe not this coming NBA season, but the season after that, Rose should be back to where he was. The mental part, believing that he can make those cuts, will probably be the toughest part for him to overcome.

Ace E.Anderson
06-19-2012, 11:42 AM
I was thinking the same thing about Peterson. If he's able to come back and resemble his old self, then that bodes well for Rose doing the same thing (yes, I'm aware that everyone is different). Maybe not this coming NBA season, but the season after that, Rose should be back to where he was. The mental part, believing that he can make those cuts, will probably be the toughest part for him to overcome.

I tank we' ve seen more than a few NFL RBs be able to return from an ACL injury, but I cannot remember an thletic player the caliber of D Rose that came bask from an ACL injury. I could be wrong though.

vnzla81
06-19-2012, 11:48 AM
To me Drose's "signature move" was the one that injured him, he is gonna have to learn to jump in a different way or he can get injured again, he is going to need to change his game, I don't see him coming back to be the same guy.

Doddage
06-19-2012, 11:55 AM
Deron. We need a PG who's great at both setting teammates up and scoring the ball. He has good size for a PG too.

Steagles
06-19-2012, 12:29 PM
Rondo. Incredible passer and decent scoring ability, and can explode when need be. Westbrook is great and all but he chucks a lot.


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Steagles
06-19-2012, 12:29 PM
Deron. We need a PG who's great at both setting teammates up and scoring the ball. He has good size for a PG too.

Or DWill. He would work very well also.


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vnzla81
06-19-2012, 12:32 PM
Another thing that people don't talk about on Westbrook is his ability to play defense, I would probably put Rondo over him on that list but he is second for sure, the guy is becoming a lock down defender.

Pace Maker
06-19-2012, 12:35 PM
Chris Paul is hands down the best PG in the league, and can dominate a game by scoring OR passing, which most point guards can't say.

croz24
06-19-2012, 01:20 PM
I'm a bit surprised by CP3 getting called injury prone. He had a knee surgery, so that's a valid concern. But is that a reason to call him injury prone? Before the injury and since, he's been one of the healthier players in the league. If anything, Rondo, D-Will and Parker are injury prone by comparison.

The board has a fascination with "injury prone".

PR07
06-19-2012, 01:31 PM
For me, it's Deron Williams.

I think he most fits the identity that this team seeks out of all of the choices of being tough and rugged (I worry about Rose and Paul here). He's arguably the best long range shooter of the bunch allowing for better spacing inside for our bigs (I worry about Rondo in this category), a good and willing passer (I worry about Westbrook in this category), and he's demonstrated his clutch ability.

Really?
06-19-2012, 02:02 PM
Another thing that people don't talk about on Westbrook is his ability to play defense, I would probably put Rondo over him on that list but he is second for sure, the guy is becoming a lock down defender.

Who did he lock down in the playoffs that was a good PG, Tony Parker put up big numbers on him. Kidd is old and not a offensive threat, Ramon Sessions is okay but their offense does not really run through him much, same thing with Chalmers.

Not saying that I do not think he is good on defense, but I just can not remember him shutting down a good PG.

OlBlu
06-19-2012, 02:22 PM
Who did he lock down in the playoffs that was a good PG, Tony Parker put up big numbers on him. Kidd is old and not a offensive threat, Ramon Sessions is okay but their offense does not really run through him much, same thing with Chalmers.

Not saying that I do not think he is good on defense, but I just can not remember him shutting down a good PG.

If the Thunder lose this series, Westbrook will be the one getting all of the blame........:cool:

Sparhawk
06-19-2012, 02:40 PM
Chris Paul is hands down the best PG in the league, and can dominate a game by scoring OR passing, which most point guards can't say.

Not to mention he is almost at the top of the steals/game category. Dude is a world class ball thief!

LA_Confidential
06-19-2012, 02:55 PM
Considering all players to be injury free and ready to go, the Point id most like the Pacers to have is Stephen Curry. Sticking to the list though, Id have to say all of the above.

Really?
06-19-2012, 02:55 PM
If the Thunder lose this series, Westbrook will be the one getting all of the blame........:cool:

Very true, but unrightfully so, I mean he is who he is and plays his game, you have to know with him that you are going to have extreme highs, and things that frustrate the heck out of you.

He has tons of potential and I expect for him to be a different player 2 years from now, I think he should study Tony Parker, and learn other ways of how to use his quickness, and teammates.

pacer4ever
06-19-2012, 02:59 PM
I tank we' ve seen more than a few NFL RBs be able to return from an ACL injury, but I cannot remember an thletic player the caliber of D Rose that came bask from an ACL injury. I could be wrong though.

Baron Davis tore an ACL at UCLA and was said to be stronger and faster and quicker after rehab. ACL isnt as bad as many other injuries I think in a year Drose will be back to Drose. I would sit him out all of next season though. Let him get 120% and get back mentally strong before playing.


Bernard King came back and was still a beast in his day.


Im sure more have done it those are the 2 I know of.

Ownagedood
06-19-2012, 11:15 PM
Umm, I change my vote to Westbrook.

sig
06-20-2012, 12:24 AM
I felt sorry that Tony parker got no votes so I voted him.

Seriously, I think i'd take rose. Not that Deng and Boozer can't score but Rose really pretty much has to be the bulls offense. I wonder what Rose would accomplish if he had Durant and Harden as his sidekicks.

Rubio is real intriguing. He probably isn't the best player in the group but he might wind up being the best pure PG of the group. Good things seem to just happen for his team when he is on the court.

I think Wall has a lot of upside in his game that has not been reached. I really wonder if he will have a huge breakout year in one of the next couple of years.

There is alot to like with Jrue Holiday too.

PacersRule
06-20-2012, 12:32 AM
Yeah I probably should have put Rubio and Irving on there. The only reason Parker was on there is because the Spurs was so good this season, and Parker was their main guy.

Nuntius
06-20-2012, 12:44 AM
Another thing that people don't talk about on Westbrook is his ability to play defense

In UCLA he was the defensive specialist and he was coming from the bench behind our very own Darren Collison :P