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ESPN Article re: Pacers Starting Unit Stats in the Postseason

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  • ESPN Article re: Pacers Starting Unit Stats in the Postseason

    Good stuff!

    http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/43093/pacers-starting-five-is-punishing-the-heat


    Pacers' starting five is punishing the Heat

    The longer the Indiana Pacers can keep their starting five on the court, the better chance they have to eliminate the Miami Heat in the Eastern Conference semifinals.

    Indiana’s starting five of Paul George, Danny Granger, Roy Hibbert, George Hill and David West has been the most successful five-man lineup in this year’s postseason. It has a better plus-minus, has scored more points and has a better rebounding margin than any other five-man lineup in the playoffs.

    In eight postseason games, Indiana's starting five has outscored its opponents by 79 points and outrebounded them by 68.

    During the regular season, George, Granger, Hibbert, Hill and West started just eight games together, and the Pacers were 7-1 in those games. They played just 229 minutes together and outscored their opponents by 72 points.

    In the playoffs, they’ve already played together for 176 minutes, and the formula continues to be successful.

    Pacers Starting Five This Postseason

    Points 359 280
    FG pct 45.9 35.8
    3-pt FG pct 40.3 30.9
    Rebounds 190 122
    > George, Granger, Hibbert, Hill, West


    This postseason, Indiana’s starting five:

    • Has more than double the second-chance points (70) of any other five-man lineup. (Second are the Lakers and Magic with 30.)

    • Leads all lineups in points in the paint (152) and points off turnovers (58).

    • Has outscored its opponents by 56 points in the paint (152-96), has 30 more second-chance points (74-44) and 18 more fast-break points (42-24).

    When George, Granger, Hibbert, Hill and West were on the court in Game 3, they outscored the Heat 68-40.

    The starting five shot 52 percent from the field (including 6-of-10 on 3-pointers) and outrebounded the Heat 32-15. That lineup held the Heat to 33 percent shooting from the field and 1-of-10 on 3-point attempts. They also outscored the Heat 13-0 on second-chance points.

    Every other Pacers lineup was outscored by nine.

    Since the 2008 playoffs, only four lineups have finished with a plus-minus that’s been as good as Indiana’s +79. Three of those teams reached the NBA Finals and two won the NBA championship, including the Mavericks’ lineup last year of Tyson Chandler, Jason Kidd, Shawn Marion, Dirk Nowitzki and Jason Terry.


    Statistical support for this story from NBA.com.
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    Re: ESPN Article re: Pacers Starting Unit Stats in the Postseason

    They are a tremendous unit.... which is really ironic seeing as how there are no "superstars". 5 really good players who as a sum are better than the parts.
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      Re: ESPN Article re: Pacers Starting Unit Stats in the Postseason

      Originally posted by gummy View Post
      Good stuff!

      Since the 2008 playoffs, only four lineups have finished with a plus-minus that’s been as good as Indiana’s +79. Three of those teams reached the NBA Finals and two won the NBA championship, including the Mavericks’ lineup last year of Tyson Chandler, Jason Kidd, Shawn Marion, Dirk Nowitzki and Jason Terry. [/SIZE]

      Statistical support for this story from NBA.com.
      Wow! That is the most impressive stat of all. Strong indications that we are championship caliber team....
      You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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        Re: ESPN Article re: Pacers Starting Unit Stats in the Postseason

        Originally posted by gummy View Post
        Indiana’s starting five of Paul George, Danny Granger, Roy Hibbert, George Hill and David West has been the most successful five-man lineup in this year’s postseason. It has a better plus-minus, has scored more points and has a better rebounding margin than any other five-man lineup in the playoffs.

        Since the 2008 playoffs, only four lineups have finished with a plus-minus that’s been as good as Indiana’s +79. Three of those teams reached the NBA Finals and two won the NBA championship
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          Re: ESPN Article re: Pacers Starting Unit Stats in the Postseason



          Edit: I have to say that this recent run has really left me speechless. I'm not posting like a maniac anymore. But really what is left for us to say? The Pacers do all the talking in the court
          Originally posted by IrishPacer
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            Re: ESPN Article re: Pacers Starting Unit Stats in the Postseason

            Originally posted by Nuntius View Post


            Edit: I have to say that this recent run has really left me speechless. I'm not posting like a maniac anymore. But really what is left for us to say? The Pacers do all the talking in the court
            You're still drunk from the Euroleague final, just admit it

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              Re: ESPN Article re: Pacers Starting Unit Stats in the Postseason

              Yeah, this unit is amazing. They have everything: DEFENSE, including a shut down defender in George and Hibbert taking away the paint (everyone David West is probably the worst and he's better than most), shotmaking, post play, they all look to make the extra pass, confidence, toughness, chips on their shoulder. It's so fun to watch.
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                Re: ESPN Article re: Pacers Starting Unit Stats in the Postseason

                Originally posted by Marlin View Post
                You're still drunk from the Euroleague final, just admit it
                That too. This week has been amazing sports-wise
                Originally posted by IrishPacer
                Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                  Re: ESPN Article re: Pacers Starting Unit Stats in the Postseason

                  This starting 5, it has been looked over so much because people always talk about how deep the Pacers are. I believe our starting 5 was kicking *** with Collison starting as well, I remember about halfway through the season it had the highest +/- in the league. These guys play well together and are the epitome of team basketball. Continue the strong play this post season and it will show team play wins championships.

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                    Re: ESPN Article re: Pacers Starting Unit Stats in the Postseason

                    I have to say, this past couple of weeks has been nothing short of amazing. I might have some people scratching their heads when I say this, but I think I like watching this team more than the great Pacer teams of the late 90's. I know, I know - watching any game where Reggie did what Reggie did best was incredible, but I absolutely love the way this team plays together. Vogel (and I think he deserves a lot of credit for this - which is why he should have won COY this year) has these guys all on the same page, everyone. The starting 5 is playing very well together and they all contribute to make the unit so good, but even when they sub them out, they have very capable reserves that blend in pretty good (at least better than most team's bench players).

                    I work 2 jobs and I haven't been able to see too many Pacer games this year (they always seemed to play on a night I was working instead of a night I was off work), but I've watched more since the playoffs began and I absolutely love what I am seeing. The games I did watch were when Collison was the starter, but I have to say I love Hill in the starting lineup. They just seem to "click" a bit more with him running the floor. As much as I'd love to see Steve Nash or DWill in a Pacers jersey next year, I'd hate to lose either of our PG's because of how well they are developing. I want to see this team grow together. We could very well be looking at a dynasty in the making with these guys.

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                      Re: ESPN Article re: Pacers Starting Unit Stats in the Postseason

                      This Pacers team is a lot like the 2004-05 Pistons team. No Superstars but they win with defense, rebounding, unselfishness, and timely 3-point shooting.

                      I just hope they can keep it going!

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                        Re: ESPN Article re: Pacers Starting Unit Stats in the Postseason

                        Originally posted by naptownmenace View Post
                        This Pacers team is a lot like the 2004-05 Pistons team. No Superstars but they win with defense, rebounding, unselfishness, and timely 3-point shooting.

                        I just hope they can keep it going!
                        It may be accurate, but I feel it should be illegal to compare the Pacers to the Pistons, especially of that era, for any reason. No offense, KStat, but I still hate that team.

                        Hollinger pointed out that the PER numbers for the Pacers starting lineups were basically equal to the Heat's numbers before the series started. This series is showing that, and especially without Bosh in there.
                        It's a new day for Pacers Basketball.

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