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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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    Most Improved Player: Lin’s to Lose?

    http://www.hoopsworld.com/most-impro...r-lins-to-lose

    There are many players throughout the NBA who have improved their individual games and, therefore, are helping their respective teams. While there are countless other players who fit into this category, HOOPSWORLD takes a look at the five who may very well be in the running for the NBA’s Most Improved Player award.

    Evan Turner – Philadelphia 76ers
    After his rookie season, many were questioning whether Turner was worthy of being the number two selection in the draft. His rookie season was underwhelming to many, but averaging 7.2 points, 3.9 rebounds and 2 assists per game isn’t as bad. What was a concern at first was Turner’s play didn’t seem to improve to begin his second season in the NBA, despite the obstacle of improving during the lockout.

    Yet, as the Philadelphia 76ers became an early storyline in the NBA with their surprising play and winning percentage, Turner slowly began to turn it around, finding his niche on the team. While his stats for the season haven’t improved dramatically from his rookie season—he now averages 8.8 points, 6 rebounds and 2.6 assists—he has come up big for his team in crunch time recently. His play has been solid enough as of late to have those who questioned the selection now making the case he should be the player with the ball in his hands when the game is on the line.

    Kyle Lowry – Houston Rockets
    Lowry was already a solid player, but his stock grew to a near All-Star level in 2012. When the NBA nixed the deal that would have sent Chris Paul to the Los Angeles Lakers, the Rockets were placing a lot on the shoulders of the sixth-year player. They were banking on Lowry, his work ethic and his ability to improve. Although the deal didn’t happen, Lowry still was able to show the Rockets they were correct in placing that amount of faith in his game by averaging career-highs in most categories.

    Currently, Lowry averages 15.9 points, 7.2 assists and 5.3 rebounds per game. There was a valid case to be made that he should have represented the Rockets in the All-Star game this year, but Lowry shouldn’t worry. All-Star games are going to be a part of his future soon.

    Paul George – Indiana Pacers
    The second-year guard/forward for the Indiana Pacers has really taken the next step in his development during this lockout-shortened season. George has so much potential that some have a difficult time accepting the “limited” amount of production he gives to his team now, as they expect him to be a superstar right away. It takes time to develop into a complete player, but George has shown the work ethic to improve this year and there is no reason to believe he won’t continue to do so going forward.

    That is, if averaging 12.1 points, 5.3 rebounds, 2.2 assists and 1.6 steals per game while helping your team to a record of ten games over .500 is something to improve on. His athleticism is extraordinary and as he continues to learn what he is capable of accomplishing, his numbers will continue to rise. George should be a fixture in Indiana for years to come.

    Nikola Pekovic – Minnesota Timberwolves
    Entering this season, the Minnesota Timberwolves pretty much expected nothing out of Nikola Pekovic. During his rookie season, Pekovic could barely stay on the floor, always in foul trouble, averaging only 13.6 minutes and not finding a way to adjust to the NBA game. The expectations for Pekovic were so low that the Timberwolves continued to list both Anthony Randolph and Darko Milicic above him in the rotation.

    Then, something funny happened. Rick Adelman figured out Darko Milicic wasn’t the answer at center and in a “what the heck” sort of move, started Pekovic and “Pek” took full advantage of the opportunity. He is averaging 13.5 points and 7.4 rebounds on 56% shooting from the field. Pekovic’s play in the post has been nearly a perfect complement to Kevin Love’s game, helping the Timberwolves to their best season in years.

    Jeremy Lin – New York Knicks
    Is there really any question as to who will come away with the Most Improved Player award this season? Jeremy Lin essentially came out of nowhere, the NBA took notice and the world came to know a new term in “Linsanity.” Correction, it wasn’t just the NBA world who took notice; it was anyone who had access to a television, radio or internet connection.

    Since truly receiving a shot to show what he’s capable of on Feb. 4, Lin has proven nearly all the doubters wrong. The stats have come back to Earth after the initial explosion, but 14.6 points, 6.1 assists and 3.1 rebounds are fine numbers, especially for a player who came out of nowhere. While Linsanity has died down slightly, Lin is still a vital piece to the Knicks’ attack and their attempt to remain in the playoff race. As the pressure builds, Lin will need to be one of the main players to step up and lead them to the postseason.

    Quite simply, the Most Improved Player award was Jeremy Lin’s to lose mid-February and he hasn’t done anything to lessen his grip on the award.
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    Re: Most Improved Player: Lin’s to Lose?

    It would be very hard to argue against this, in fact I can't even think of one reason why he shouldn't be the most improved player.


    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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      Re: Most Improved Player: Lin’s to Lose?

      From almost falling out of the league, to a sensation and starter for the NY Knicks.. Most improved player of the year.

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        Re: Most Improved Player: Lin’s to Lose?

        jeremy lin is never on sports center..... PG has been on the top 10 a couple of times..... but ESPN has never showed a Lin highlight..... who is he exactly?

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          Re: Most Improved Player: Lin’s to Lose?

          If I were giving out the award, I would choose Nikola Pekovic. Lin is obviously a great player and a great story, but he played less than 300 minutes during his rookie season. Did he really improve so much in between seasons, or was he just given a proper chance? Pekovic, on the other hand, struggled mightily his rookie year, and now he's the Timberwolves' third most important player. Also, I hate the Knicks again.

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          • #6
            I personally think it should be Hayward or PG, but it will Puss... I mean Lin.


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            • #7
              Re: Most Improved Player: Lin’s to Lose?

              Most Lin-proved Player...


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                Re: Most Improved Player: Lin’s to Lose?

                I don't really care if he wins the award or not but I think Jeremy Lin deserves it the most.

                Anyone know what Paul George has been averaging since the All-Star break? His numbers seem to be peaking at just the right time. He's certainly an improved player from the start of the season let alone his rookie season.
                Last edited by naptownmenace; 03-28-2012, 03:31 PM.

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                • #9
                  Re: Most Improved Player: Lin’s to Lose?

                  Lin will get it and deserves it. I'd take PG 10 out of 10 times on my team moving forward.

                  Part of me thinks, we've seen the best stretch of what Lin will ever play, already.

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                    Re: Most Improved Player: Lin’s to Lose?

                    Lin deserves it.

                    I've never been big on awarding the MIP to talented sophomore's for making expected improvements from their rookie year. I was always against that so I would be a hypocrite to think PG deserves it now.
                    "As a bearded man, i was very disappointed in Love. I am gathering other bearded men to discuss the status of Kevin Love's beard. I am motioning that it must be shaved."

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                      Re: Most Improved Player: Lin’s to Lose?

                      Originally posted by Speed View Post
                      Lin will get it and deserves it. I'd take PG 10 out of 10 times on my team moving forward.

                      Part of me thinks, we've seen the best stretch of what Lin will ever play, already.
                      Yes. D'Antoni is gone. The smart PG system will be gone. That is the only reason he did well. Shumpert is the PG of the future, and I think they know it. It wouldn't suprise me to see them let Lin walk, unless they feel his marketability is too great to lose.
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                        Re: Most Improved Player: Lin’s to Lose?

                        Originally posted by Steagles View Post
                        Yes. D'Antoni is gone. The smart PG system will be gone. That is the only reason he did well. Shumpert is the PG of the future, and I think they know it. It wouldn't suprise me to see them let Lin walk, unless they feel his marketability is too great to lose.
                        Shumpert is not even close to a PG. Lin's the PG of the future unless it's obvious he can't do it. (And it hasn't been so far) simply because of marketability.

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                          Re: Most Improved Player: Lin’s to Lose?

                          Originally posted by Peck View Post
                          It would be very hard to argue against this, in fact I can't even think of one reason why he shouldn't be the most improved player.
                          Well to play devils advocate


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                            Re: Most Improved Player: Lin’s to Lose?

                            Gortat??????
                            "So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.


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