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Nuntius
03-22-2012, 09:06 PM
So, since we covered our need for a 5th big why not covering our need for a PG that can distribute and defend?

Kirk has playoff experience, can defend, can shoot and he can also distribute the ball quite well. He also offers leadership and fiestyness.

Here's a Hinrich mix:

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And here's him getting fiesty:

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beast23, ask and you shall receive :D

vnzla81
03-22-2012, 09:07 PM
Is he a free agent? if the answer is no, then is to soon for this.

Nuntius
03-22-2012, 09:09 PM
Is he a free agent? if the answer is no, then is to soon for this.

He isn't but I had to do this for the fella who asked it :D

Steagles
03-22-2012, 09:54 PM
No. Just no.


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Justin Tyme
03-22-2012, 10:03 PM
He's more SG than PG. Pacers have enough of those now. Pass.

I'd by far rather have Dragic or Jack.

Tonights stats
Dragic 17/3/9
Jack 17/4/9

Nuntius
03-22-2012, 10:07 PM
He's more SG than PG. Pacers have enough of those now. Pass.

I'd by far rather have Dragic or Jack.

Tonights stats
Dragic 17/3/9
Jack 17/4/9

I'd prefer Dragic as well, personally.

That said, Kirk would be a good option if he was a FA. Still, I had to do this after my wish about Fesenko became reality :D

TheDavisBrothers
03-22-2012, 10:10 PM
You should add, "in the offseason," to the end of the title to avoid confusion...

Nuntius
03-22-2012, 10:12 PM
You should add, "in the offseason," to the end of the title to avoid confusion...

Yeah, probably. I just tried to model it after my Fesenko thread :)

BringJackBack
03-22-2012, 10:14 PM
I would say that Dragic, Jack, and Kirk are good secondary options for us, but our eyes should be on the prize, and that prize is either the long-shot that is Deron Williams or Steve Nash.

Chauncey Billups, Raymond Felton, and Andre Miller could be darkhorse options as well for us. All are better than Darren for this group.

TheDavisBrothers
03-22-2012, 10:19 PM
I would say that Dragic, Jack, and Kirk are good secondary options for us, but our eyes should be on the prize, and that prize is either the long-shot that is Deron Williams or Steve Nash.

Chauncey Billups, Raymond Felton, and Andre Miller could be darkhorse options as well for us. All are better than Darren for this group.

He's been mentioned before and I must say, I would really like Andre Miller on our team (odviously only after we tried our hardest to get Deron or Nash)

I DO NOT WANT FELTON THO...

spreedom
03-22-2012, 10:32 PM
I would say that Dragic, Jack, and Kirk are good secondary options for us, but our eyes should be on the prize, and that prize is either the long-shot that is Deron Williams or Steve Nash.

Chauncey Billups, Raymond Felton, and Andre Miller could be darkhorse options as well for us. All are better than Darren for this group.


How long has it been since you've seen Raymond Felton play?

Derek2k3
03-22-2012, 11:45 PM
I would say that Dragic, Jack, and Kirk are good secondary options for us, but our eyes should be on the prize, and that prize is either the long-shot that is Deron Williams or Steve Nash.

Chauncey Billups, Raymond Felton, and Andre Miller could be darkhorse options as well for us. All are better than Darren for this group.

No shot on Chauncey, from what I remember he was mad about the Clippers picking him up off Amnesty waivers.

I forget where he wanted to go, but I'd expect Miami/LA or something.

I can't stand Felton or Miller, as AM is way over the hump. Has absolutely no quickness, less lift than ever, and isn't moving the ball like he used to. Felton is a joke, a mutineer in Portland. No thanks, I don't want an overweight guard that only produced when playing in a run and gun offense.

Dragic would be incredible, but I'd be absolutely stunned if Houston let him get away. He's a great guard, compliments Lowrey very well.

What about Aaron Brooks?

beast23
03-22-2012, 11:46 PM
He isn't but I had to do this for the fella who asked it :DLol. Thanks, I thought you might be a good luck charm to magically assist a decent PG arriving this summer.

It really isn't the time to talk about players that we might want this summer. It probably would be a much better idea to talk in generalities about what our needs are and the"type of player" that might be able to fill those needs, but like a lot of other folks, most of the time I just can't help myself.

First off, I think folks need to take a reality check and give up on the dream of getting Deron Williams. He isn't coming here this summer.... period. You really think that Williams is going to give up a 17.7M player option to sign a contract with the Pacers to play for the dollars that Bird/Morway would be willing to pay him?

If you do, then I just don't think you quite get what it means to be a small market team. Or, haven't you considered that once we re-sign Roy, next years contracts will look like this:

Granger 13M
West 10M
Hibbert 10M+

That's 33M for 3 players and we haven't even discussed Hill, Barbosa and Amundson yet.

Now let's add in 15M or so for Williams and project him out for about 4 years. Next year's salary is now 48M without touching the other free agents and seeking other players to fill out the roster. And, unless Fesenko miraculously works out and can be re-signed for cheap, we haven't even begun to address our backup center needs for the off season.

The only possible way of bringing in a salary as big as what Williams will be is by pushing Granger or West out the door in the exchange or in another deal that does not return much salary. You don't dump either player because that simply plugs one hole (PG) and creates another (SF or PF) because we don't have another starting quality PF on the roster and Paul George, despite our deepest wishes, is simply not ready to replace Granger at the SF position.

So, my suggestion would be to acquire a PG that makes us better without breaking the bank. Personallly, I would obtain one that is a distributor/defender.

I've always loved Nash, but would probably be just as big a liability defensively as he is an asset offensively and quite frankly, I've seen enough of what that has caused for our big men for the better part of the last decade. But still, I wouldn't be opposed to taking Nash if he fell into our laps... I respect his offensive game that much.

I believe Jack is an excellent choice. Although he will never considered to be among the top PGs in the league, he can penetrate, distribute and shoots okay, but even more importantly he defends at a high level. I believe he would be a very good fit with our team, even if he were to play with our second unit.

Someone said Hinrich is more of an SG than a PG. Actually, he is one of the few backcourt players in the league that I would argue is a true combo-guard. He is very capable at both positions, which I believe would make him even more versatile when paired with George or Hill.

I'm embarrassed to say that I just don't know enough about Dragic. However, I will say that I can no longer be impressed by statistics, so the stats quoted for him simply do not impress me. Why, you ask? Because a couple of years ago, I was watching Collinson start 39 games while filling in for Paul. He had an average of 17/3/9. Sound familiar? I was one of the biggest supporters for getting him. He was proven at the pick and roll and seemed to be a good distributor. Unfortunately, after a couple of years, I've concluded that he is just not a good fit with our starters, particularly Hibbert.

So, I would ask those more familiar with Dragic. Without attempting to wow everyone with statistics, what makes you conclude that he would be a good fit with our first unit? And, in light of his present success in the starting lineup, is it possible that we would be forced to buy high in order to obtain him?

Just asking, because I'm convinced that Jack and Hinrich would be good fits and seem to have the qualities that we need. And either would come at a reasonable price.

Justin Tyme
03-23-2012, 06:17 AM
I'm embarrassed to say that I just don't know enough about Dragic. However, I will say that I can no longer be impressed by statistics, so the stats quoted for him simply do not impress me. starters, particularly Hibbert.

So, I would ask those more familiar with Dragic. Without attempting to wow everyone with statistics, what makes you conclude that he would be a good fit with our first unit? And, in light of his present success in the starting lineup, is it possible that we would be forced to buy high in order to obtain him?


Read posts #43 & #53 in the "Early look at top Free Agents 2012-ESPN Insider

I believe these posts will tell you what you want to know about Dragic.

We all know I'm a fan of Jack who has always felt it was a mistake to have let him leave. I'd be more than happy to see him return. 5.5 mil is an extremely reasonable price for a starting PG who is not on a rookie contract. At the same time, can the Pacers afford to pay him after next year as he'll want a sizeable pay increase?

IMO, this will be Hinrich's last contract. He's being paid 8.1 mil this year, so I feel he's going to want the same type money. I find it hard to see how you can have 3 players that are combo guards in Hill, Barbosa, and Hinrich all wanting new contracts in the 7 mil price range. With Hinrich's age at 32, I don't see paying that type money to him for the next 3-4 years. I don't see it as a prudent move.

DaveP63
03-23-2012, 07:06 AM
We all know I'm a fan of Jack who has always felt it was a mistake to have let him leave. I'd be more than happy to see him return. 5.5 mil is an extremely reasonable price for a starting PG who is not on a rookie contract. At the same time, can the Pacers afford to pay him after next year as he'll want a sizeable pay increase?

Yes :happydanc