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Trader Joe
03-21-2012, 02:29 PM
Just got an email from the Pacers and here is the press release.
http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/pacers-jeff-foster-announces-retirement

Since86
03-21-2012, 02:29 PM
Say wha?

EDIT: Sad, sad day.

PacerGuy
03-21-2012, 02:31 PM
If we knew this we should have added a big @ the deadline. Upset.

BornReady
03-21-2012, 02:31 PM
I legit just gasped in class

duke dynamite
03-21-2012, 02:31 PM
Got the email, too. Pacers are tweeting it.

SAD!

MiaDragon
03-21-2012, 02:32 PM
If we knew this we should have added a big @ the deadline. Upset.

no ****, awesome, just awesome.

Nuntius
03-21-2012, 02:34 PM
I expected this.

Now, offer him a job at our training staff / FO.

duke dynamite
03-21-2012, 02:34 PM
13 years with the same team. Wow. Can't knock that by any stretch of the imagination.

pacergod2
03-21-2012, 02:35 PM
Heart just sank.

Trader Joe
03-21-2012, 02:35 PM
Jeff is interested in becoming a real estate broker from what I understand. I doubt he begins a job with the Pacers, but I suppose he could change his mind.

TMJ31
03-21-2012, 02:35 PM
*Devastated*

obnoxiousmodesty
03-21-2012, 02:37 PM
I immediately reacted with an "oh no" out loud as soon as I read the news.

I'm sad to see you go, Jeff. Thank you for everything.

Mr_Smith
03-21-2012, 02:37 PM
very sad

luis3ep
03-21-2012, 02:37 PM
Thanks for everything Jeff Foster!! We'll miss your 100% effort, no nonsense style of play.

BillS
03-21-2012, 02:38 PM
It's the right decision, though I hate to see it happen.

Timing could have been better, though. BEFORE the deadline would have been helpful.

Dgreenwell3
03-21-2012, 02:38 PM
Jeff is interested in becoming a real estate broker from what I understand. I doubt he begins a job with the Pacers, but I suppose he could change his mind.

He is a class act beyond class act, I wish him the best and to please work with psycho t on the post hard foul face. On a side note did we just become the ugliest looking team in the NBA?

Trader Joe
03-21-2012, 02:38 PM
I do have to say the cynic in me, while appreciative of what Jeff has given us, has to feel like he did just collect a paycheck for half the season and now he's gonna bounce.

Blackhawk4
03-21-2012, 02:39 PM
Definitely sad to hear. Atleast he is able to walk away from the game with his health for the most part.

duke dynamite
03-21-2012, 02:40 PM
I do have to say the cynic in me, while appreciative of what Jeff has given us, has to feel like he did just collect a paycheck for half the season and now he's gonna bounce.
I'd try and collect an entire year. "Work smarter, not harder."

31andonly
03-21-2012, 02:40 PM
:(

graphic-er
03-21-2012, 02:40 PM
Saddens me as I always got the "Plays like Foster" moniker back in the day during pick up games at the park due to my excellent post defense and rebounding ability.

Great player, always one of my Favs.

But alas, I did not expect Jeff back for the playoffs and if he was back I would have questioned his insertion back into the line up with Lou playing so well. There is a certain chemistry lost when a guy who has been out most of the season suddenly plays heavy minutes.

vnzla81
03-21-2012, 02:42 PM
Mike Wells
Also In Indiana Pacers
Pacers veteran center Jeff Foster has announced his retirement after 13 years with the franchise because of ongoing back problems. “It’s with deep regret that I have to conclude my basketball career,” Foster in a statement. “I’ve given my all to the Pacers and the community the last 13 years. I had hoped to be able to finish the season, but unfortunately my back problems prevented that from occurring. I want to thank the Simon family and the Pacers’ organization for 13 memorable years.”

BornReady
03-21-2012, 02:42 PM
when was the deadline to sign another player?

BillS
03-21-2012, 02:42 PM
I do have to say the cynic in me, while appreciative of what Jeff has given us, has to feel like he did just collect a paycheck for half the season and now he's gonna bounce.

As I recall paychecks left on the contract are still collected after retirement. I know we paid Reggie for his last year, which is why we had to use the amnesty on him to get it off the cap.

Trader Joe
03-21-2012, 02:43 PM
when was the deadline to sign another player?

This thought did just cross my mind, maybe Jeff is retiring knowing we are going to sign someone who is bought out or waived?

vnzla81
03-21-2012, 02:44 PM
This thought did just cross my mind, maybe Jeff is retiring knowing we are going to sign someone who is bought out or waived?

Diaw please :pray:

RamBo_Lamar
03-21-2012, 02:44 PM
Thank you to Jeff Foster for the effort you've given to the Pacers for all these years,
and best wishes in your future endeavors.

Nuntius
03-21-2012, 02:47 PM
This thought did just cross my mind, maybe Jeff is retiring knowing we are going to sign someone who is bought out or waived?

I'd expect such a move by Jeff.

If he doesn't decide to work within the Pacers organization, I'm going to be very, very sad. :(

However, I wish him all the best for his future life.

Midcoasted
03-21-2012, 02:48 PM
NOOOOOOO!!!!!!! :cry:

Man Foster has been our best post player for years if you discount scoring. This is a really sad day. The way he punked the whole Bulls team last year in the playoffs was so epic.

I really hope to see Foster on the team in some capacity. Hopefully as a big man coach! I know I am being biased, but there are only a few big men I have ever watched play that can impact the game like Foster did with rebounding, defense, and hustle. He was also amazing at setting screens and taking charges.

Take care Jeff! It has been an honor watching a guy of your class represent us your whole career! You will be greatly missed!

vnzla81
03-21-2012, 02:50 PM
Rose, Boozer and Noah must be celebrating right now.

2minutes twoa
03-21-2012, 02:51 PM
That sucks! Definitely need to add another big now!

ilive4sports
03-21-2012, 02:51 PM
Very sad news. From his offensive rebounding to his post game Uggs, Jeff Foster will be missed. He is a hell of a player and teammate. I really hope he joins the organization in a new role.

Foster, Australian for rebound... no more.

Doddage
03-21-2012, 02:52 PM
:(

It's the end of an era.

Ownagedood
03-21-2012, 02:53 PM
I'm really gonna miss fiesty foster... Will never forget the things he's done for us.

I freaked out when I was at the game when he nailed that buzzer beating 3 this year vs ATL.. Still get a big grin thinking about it. Dude was awesome.

dewman_32
03-21-2012, 02:54 PM
I'll always remember him in a hard hat on the big screen at Conseco. Thanks for everything Jeff!

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Unclebuck
03-21-2012, 02:54 PM
I would assume the pacers knew he wasn't going to play much if at all the rest of the season. So I don't think it would have made any difference whether Jeff officially retired prior to our after the trade deadline. If there was a big guy the pacers wanted and if the price was right they would have acquired him.

Sad to see Jeff retire. I was a huge fan of his when it wasn't cool. His defense was so underrated

ilive4sports
03-21-2012, 02:54 PM
Oh and this announcement has Jeff Foster trending world wide on twitter.

Tom White
03-21-2012, 02:56 PM
It's the right decision, though I hate to see it happen.

Timing could have been better, though. BEFORE the season would have been helpful.

Changed to reflect my view. Although I appreciate what he brought to the table, did anyone NOT see this coming? He gave what he could in the playoffs last year, but that was all he had. Shame he couldn't retire healthy.

TMJ31
03-21-2012, 02:56 PM
Final link to the Reggie years gone... Really sad.

Lance George
03-21-2012, 02:56 PM
when was the deadline to sign another player?

I'm pretty sure tomorrow is the deadline for players to be bought-out, and anyone bought out by the deadline remains eligible for the playoffs through the end of the regular season.

From last year (http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_basketball_heat/2011/02/understanding-the-nbas-buyout-machinations.html):


In order for a player to be eligible for another teamís playoff roster, he must be placed on waivers by 11:59 p.m. March 1, which, in this case, is Tuesday.

The player does not have to be signed Tuesday. He can be signed as late as for the final game of the regular season to be playoff eligible.

yoadknux
03-21-2012, 02:58 PM
:notamused:

Will Galen
03-21-2012, 02:58 PM
Jeff is interested in becoming a real estate broker from what I understand. I doubt he begins a job with the Pacers, but I suppose he could change his mind.

I read somewhere he wanted to work in the Pacers front office when he retired.

PacerPenguins
03-21-2012, 02:58 PM
I'm really going to miss foster... he is a role model for others including myself.... taught me that it doesn't matter what people think and that if you work your *** off you can make it somewhere in life.. i hope he's at the next home game because he deserves a standing ovation.....o and a new car like reggie

joeyd
03-21-2012, 03:01 PM
I think this was a fairly recent decision. He had begun working out, I think with the hopes of getting back into shape before the playoffs.

He was at a season ticket holder event just last night, and was his usual outgoing self, so if the decision was made prior to last night, he seems to be at peace about it and was genuinely appreciative, as always, of the fans that came out to see him.

Hopefully the Pacers will honor him before one of the upcoming games, maybe a Foster fan appreciation night. If the Fieldhouse is not packed for that, I would be very disappointed.

TheDavisBrothers
03-21-2012, 03:01 PM
Very sad about this...
I want to say thanks to Jeff for giving his all for 13 wonderful years with us! One of my favorite Pacers of all time and maybe the best offensive rebounder of all time. He was a truly great player and person his whole time here. His veteran presence and leadership will be sorely missed. I hope he becomes a coach or part of the FO with the Pacers now, but I wish him all the best in what ever venture he chooses.
Thanks again Jeff, for all the great years!

dal9
03-21-2012, 03:02 PM
Odds are the Pacers knew (or strongly suspected) this was coming down before the deadline.

It actually helped the Pacers with leverage at the deadline that other teams thought Foster might return--it makes the Pacers (look) less desperate, and less likely to get lowballed. That said, no deal got done.

duke dynamite
03-21-2012, 03:05 PM
It would be really disappointing if he didn't come to the games anymore.

Justin Tyme
03-21-2012, 03:07 PM
It's the right decision, though I hate to see it happen.

Timing could have been better, though. BEFORE the deadline would have been helpful.



Extremely poor timing, but maybe the FO wanted it this way or otherwise they would have to take a lot of flack for not trading for a Big(Kaman) if Foster had retired b4 the trade deadline.

THANK YOU JEFF FOR ALL THE YEARS YOU GAVE THE PACERS!

rock747
03-21-2012, 03:08 PM
Mike Wells‏@MikeWellsNBAReply
Center Ryan Hollins, who was recently released by Cleveland, is a player the Pacers are interested in


already looking for a replacement?

Pacers13Colts12
03-21-2012, 03:10 PM
Thanks Jeff for all the great years. Since Reggie retired you have always been my favorite Pacer. From the last point scored at MSA to today you always worked your *** off.

My favorite Foster memory is him setting a textbook pick to free Reggie up for a game winning shot over Detroit in the 03-04 playoffs.

90'sNBARocked
03-21-2012, 03:12 PM
Assistant coach to work with the big men?

Justin Tyme
03-21-2012, 03:12 PM
I do have to say the cynic in me, while appreciative of what Jeff has given us, has to feel like he did just collect a paycheck for half the season and now he's gonna bounce.



I'm sure there are those that felt I'd say it 1st. I'll try to be a little more classy than the GS fans with Mullins retirement. AGAIN, THANK YOU JEFF!

gummy
03-21-2012, 03:14 PM
If we knew this we should have added a big @ the deadline. Upset.

Of course we (team brass) knew. You don't think after over a decade of mutual loyalty Foster would leave them totally clueless and twisting in the wind, do you? I'd be shocked if Bird didn't know this was coming before the deadline and Jeff waited to announce it until after the trading deadline so as not to give teams even more leverage to drive up the asking price for available big men.

Now whether or not that means Bird should have been willing to give up more to acquire a big man given this information is another story.

graphic-er
03-21-2012, 03:16 PM
I wish he would of taught our bigs how to put the ball back up quickly after a rebound without getting blocked 3 times. Watch Hibbert and Hans try to get a put back is painful. Foster seemed to do it almost effortlessly.

sobleski
03-21-2012, 03:18 PM
R.I.P. Jeff

Pacers4Life
03-21-2012, 03:19 PM
I could thank all of these because this is the most positive thread I've seen in a long time (as it should be).. But I'll just say my piece as well and try not to cry.

Thank you Jeff Foster, for everything. That about sums it up.

Day-V
03-21-2012, 03:20 PM
R.I.P. Jeff

He's retired, not dead.



I will forever love Jeff Foster.

daschysta
03-21-2012, 03:20 PM
Fifth All-time in ofeensive rebounding% for his career, 9th all time in TRB%. Guy was an all-time great boards man relative to his time on the floor. Put together a nice little career. I'll miss Jeff, but he should have a great retirement, he's saved so much money, and invested it wisely. Hopefully he'll continue to be involved with the organization in some capacity and I wish him nothing but the best in all of his future endeavors.

Justin Tyme
03-21-2012, 03:20 PM
already looking for a replacement?

A little slow about it I'd say. Bird looking to get something off the rack in the bargain basement.

Sandman21
03-21-2012, 03:25 PM
Diaw please :pray:

Yes, let's replace one of the hardest working players in our franchise's history with a lazy out-of-shape bum. :banghead:

Peck
03-21-2012, 03:26 PM
Professional.

That word may or may not mean much to you but at the end of the day that say's it all about Jeff Foster.

This guy has been here during great times, troubled times and rebuilding times and at each and every stage he was professional.

He never made the team look bad, ever.

His career was really over a couple of seasons ago but he kept up the brave face and not only collected a check but truely contributed to this team both on the floor and off.

I want to give a shout out to Uncle Buck in this thread as well. When he say's he was a Foster fan before it was cool he ain't kidding. Buck was a huge Foster fan early on and never wavered in his support.

I appreciate everything he brought to the team and I really appreciate what he didn't bring to the team (off court drama, on court nonsense, etc.)

In other words professional.

I'll miss Jeff.

Long live Lou.

PGisthefuture
03-21-2012, 03:27 PM
We're reportedly interested in Ryan Hollins... Still a sad, sad day for the whole organization.

The Sleeze
03-21-2012, 03:28 PM
Yes, let's replace one of the hardest working players in our franchise's history with a lazy out-of-shape bum. :banghead:

Amundson is Foster's replacement and is no lazy, out of shape bum. He is a rebounding, blocking big man that doesn't back down and I think Foster would be happy that Lou is the next man up.

Hibbert
03-21-2012, 03:28 PM
This had to of just been decided this week. Last week Bird was thrilled pulling off the Barbosa trade over Orlando and it was said than that getting Foster back was like adding another piece to the team since he had missed most of the season. I am in complete shock over this. Very sad day.

Heisenberg
03-21-2012, 03:28 PM
Hope he sticks around the rest of the year. Hell, at least another home game so he can get the salute he deserves.

Sandman21
03-21-2012, 03:31 PM
Amundson is Foster's replacement and is no lazy, out of shape bum. He is a rebounding, blocking big man that doesn't back down and I think Foster would be happy that Lou is the next man up.

I was referring to Cheeseburger Boris, not Lou. Lou is awesome. Why would I call Lou a lazy out of shape bum?:laugh:

Trophy
03-21-2012, 03:31 PM
I can't say I'm surprised he's retiring, but I'm surprised it's at this time.

What a blessing it's been for 13 years to have a guy like Jeff playing for no one else, but the Pacers. Truly a great person and a hard worker on the court.

Jeff, you will be missed by Pacers fans everywhere!

Thank you for your loyalty and commitment to this organization.

So long Feisty Foster!

The Sleeze
03-21-2012, 03:41 PM
I was referring to Cheeseburger Boris, not Lou. Lou is awesome. Why would I call Lou a lazy out of shape bum?:laugh:

I knew you weren't talking about Lou. I was just pointing out that Lou is Foster's replacement and anybody else they bring in will probably be 3rd string along with Pendegraph, its not like we're replacing Foster with McBurgerTown.

Nuntius
03-21-2012, 03:42 PM
I could thank all of these because this is the most positive thread I've seen in a long time (as it should be)..

We could all agree that no matter what happened not even our dark siders would dare to say something negative about Jeff.

Heisenberg
03-21-2012, 03:42 PM
Wells: Foster on what he plans to do next, "I'm going to become a beat writer at the Indianapolis Star."

HA

PaceBalls
03-21-2012, 03:44 PM
One of the pacer greats.. He didn't score alot, but he did everything else. It really sucks to see him go this season. He was our ace in the hole for the playoffs.

Will Galen
03-21-2012, 03:45 PM
Here's a Foster unbelievable moment.


http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2010/10/01/pacers-v-food/

grace
03-21-2012, 03:45 PM
Jeff was the past Pacer left on the team from when Kegboy and I had season tickets. I always liked him.

beast23
03-21-2012, 03:49 PM
As I look back on all of my years of being a Pacer fan (I have been around for EVERY year... both ABA and NBA), like a lot of you I have suffered through more than my share of sorrows. For me, some of the more major sorrows have been:

Curtains being drawn at MSA to attempt to mask its emptiness.

Not winning the championship in our only NBA finals appearance.

The brawl.

Reggie calling it quits after 17 years.

Jeff Foster not being able to retire on his own terms.

I would have given anything for Jeff's back to hold up just enough to get him into a couple games of what should have been his last playoff experience. We all knew he would retire after this season. It's an absolute bummer that his body didn't allow him to see it through.

I have a infinite number of good memories of Jeff. But I also feel extreme sorrow for him.

Will Galen
03-21-2012, 03:51 PM
Here's some Jeff Foster Highlights.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2wbkrWJIp0

Naptown_Seth
03-21-2012, 03:51 PM
It's the right decision, though I hate to see it happen.

Timing could have been better, though. BEFORE the deadline would have been helpful.
Better is an understatement.

Did the team really have NO idea at all about this, not even a sense? And to be honest while I admire him giving it a go, would his retirement before the season given the Pacers cap relief that might have helped facilitate another or different deal?

At the very least couldn't they amnesty his salary from the books to get that space ($3m).




I used to defend Jeff when people didn't care for him, hard to believe there was that day. It's hard to tell when it flipped, I guess when he became less depended on. But in his prime I thought he was an outstanding starting PF. Not a star obviously, but perfect to work the frontline with other stars (like JO, Reggie, etc).

Quick hands, quick 2nd jump, and one of the quickest jumps period in his prime. He got off the floor quicker than about anyone (not higher, but quicker).

Heisenberg
03-21-2012, 04:04 PM
Nice job burying the story Star. But OHHH the Colts signed some random lineman that's got drunk and rowdy. Gotta know that!

Cactus Jax
03-21-2012, 04:06 PM
I love Jeff, though I think my last and most recent memory is this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnboXiq33os

Still love Dunleavy's reaction while the shot's in the air.

Naptown_Seth
03-21-2012, 04:06 PM
I knew you weren't talking about Lou. I was just pointing out that Lou is Foster's replacement and anybody else they bring in will probably be 3rd string along with Pendegraph, its not like we're replacing Foster with McBurgerTown.
This is why I wouldn't even bother. The guys you can get aren't going to have any more impact than Pendy. Why spend the money now on this market.




BTW, I know everyone will hate me for saying it, but $3m a year is what both Jeff and Josh got this season. One will be available to play in the playoffs. There have been times and will be times upcoming when having Josh would have been really handy.

Heisenberg
03-21-2012, 04:07 PM
I love Jeff, though I think my last and most recent memory is this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnboXiq33os

Still love Dunleavy's reaction while the shot's in the air.
He reacted that way because he couldn't get loose from freakin Sasha Vujajic

ECKrueger
03-21-2012, 04:10 PM
I love Jeff Foster. Hopefully he sticks around in some way for the season.

FireTheCoach
03-21-2012, 04:14 PM
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!! DAMN IT ALL!!!!!!!!!

So long Jeff... hope they give you a job in the office or something.

BillS
03-21-2012, 04:15 PM
BTW, I know everyone will hate me for saying it, but $3m a year is what both Jeff and Josh got this season. One will be available to play in the playoffs. There have been times and will be times upcoming when having Josh would have been really handy.

We had the cap space and the roster space, so in no way was this about Jeff OR Josh. I'm sure that isn't what you meant, but the PD game of Operator will turn it into that if we aren't careful.

DaveP63
03-21-2012, 04:15 PM
Thanks for the memories Jeff. Salute.

Heisenberg
03-21-2012, 04:20 PM
Reggie (https://twitter.com/#%21/ReggieMillerTNT/status/182570921683456000): Sad to hear my former teammate Jeff Foster is going to retire at seasons end, good luck to one of the hardest working players I played with.

Mark Jackson (https://twitter.com/#%21/JacksonMark13/status/182575821486170112): Congrats to the Pacers Jeff Foster on announcing his retirement. He was a Great teammate and a Class guy! God Bless U and yours.

TheDavisBrothers
03-21-2012, 04:23 PM
BTW, I know everyone will hate me for saying it, but $3m a year is what both Jeff and Josh got this season. One will be available to play in the playoffs. There have been times and will be times upcoming when having Josh would have been really handy.

If anything we need help at center tho and I don't really consider or like him playing center. Even tho West and Hans haven't been great this year, I'm fine with them at PF...

Midcoasted
03-21-2012, 04:24 PM
Amundson is Foster's replacement and is no lazy, out of shape bum. He is a rebounding, blocking big man that doesn't back down and I think Foster would be happy that Lou is the next man up.

I agree, we really got a steal in Lou. Lou is the type of guy you want to retire for your team, just like Jeff. It's so fitting the year Jeff hung it up we actually found someone who has the professionalism and work ethic to fill his shoes. Maybe this is why Foster is at peace with it. Lou is the perfect guy to hand the torch to. I would love to see Foster coaching up the big men still. They have to respect that man because he was great at what he did. The impact of Foster will never be appreciated to those outside of Indiana's loyal fan base.

UncleBuck was always right about him. It was JOB who was trying to put square pegs in round holes. At times it made Jeff look bad, but his short time under Vogel reminded me of that Jeff I know and love. Jeff, the offensive rebounding GOAT in my book.

cdash
03-21-2012, 04:25 PM
I don't know what to say. I am upset. As I have repeated multiple times around here, Foster is my second favorite Pacer of all time and it's really not close. I will miss him on the team without a doubt, but I understand he needs to think about his long-term health. Retire #10.

cdash
03-21-2012, 04:26 PM
BTW, I know everyone will hate me for saying it, but $3m a year is what both Jeff and Josh got this season. One will be available to play in the playoffs. There have been times and will be times upcoming when having Josh would have been really handy.

Also, while one will be available to play in the playoffs, neither will actually play in said playoffs.

PacersRule
03-21-2012, 04:26 PM
10 years from now when Derrick rose is about to retire, he's gonna say "I played in the era of Jeff Foster." sad to see foster retiring. I can't forget one time Ben Wallace in his prime was asked how foster grabbed 18 rebounds in a game vs pistons, Wallace had no idea what to say.

PR07
03-21-2012, 04:27 PM
I don't know if we should retire Jeff's number, if he had played a few more seasons, we just might've.

However, if there's a ring of honor like the Colts have with Jim Harbaugh, he sure as hell should be in it.

Thanks for the memories Jeff. You made a career out of simply playing hard, being technically sound, and simply outhustled everyone. You weren't necessarily a great player, but you were great at what you did.

vnzla81
03-21-2012, 04:32 PM
Also, while one will be available to play in the playoffs, neither will actually play in said playoffs.

:laugh: That's what I was thinking.

rabid
03-21-2012, 04:36 PM
Thanks for all the great Pacers memories Jeff! Good luck with whatever the future holds...

rel
03-21-2012, 04:43 PM
R.I.P. Jeff
He's retired, not dead.



I will forever love Jeff Foster.

Maybe he meant Retire In Peace... :P

McKeyFan
03-21-2012, 05:04 PM
Don't we have a spot open already? So, the idea that Jeff retired now to open up a spot isn't really accurate, right?

Tom White
03-21-2012, 05:04 PM
R.I.P. Jeff

Retire In Pacerland?

Hibbert
03-21-2012, 05:11 PM
Better is an understatement.

Did the team really have NO idea at all about this, not even a sense? And to be honest while I admire him giving it a go, would his retirement before the season given the Pacers cap relief that might have helped facilitate another or different deal?

At the very least couldn't they amnesty his salary from the books to get that space ($3m).

I'm sorry, normally I read your input and more times than not I tend to agree with what you have to say on a lot of different topics. This on the other hand is baffling. Why are people thinking like this let alone even bringing it up? Someone on here even suggested Jeff was just about collecting his pay check this year. This is disrespectful and shameful.

Jeff Foster is nothing but class and would never collect a check without doing his part, doing everything he possibly could do on and off of the court. He has meant so much to the Pacers and the city of Indianapolis for over a decade now and all you're worried about is his low salary and what could of been? He wanted to play beyond this year but also wanted to take one year at a time. He wouldn't of signed the contract if he didn't think he could of fulfilled it. Him nor the Pacers saw this coming this year.

Today may very well be the blackest day in Indy sports history...

Jeff "Floorburns" Foster, you will be sorely missed. Enjoy retirement Big Fella, you earned it...

naptownmenace
03-21-2012, 05:14 PM
The last player from the 2000 NBA Finals Pacers team is gone. What a suprisingly sad moment. I thought he would be able to help out during the playoffs.

Thanks for all the hustle and heart Jeff. I think I under appreciated you the last couple of seasons but you were a true warrior who left it all out there on the court.

This is really sad. I think this sums up my emotions best:

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tadscout
03-21-2012, 05:48 PM
At the very least couldn't they amnesty his salary from the books to get that space ($3m).


Very wrong and stupid.

First, why??? His contract was for one year, Thus expiring at the end of the season.

Second, why??? We already have capspace.

Third, why??? There is nothing we can do with extra capspace now.

And finally, it is all mute b/c this contract was signed after the new CBA, and doesn't qualify for the amnesty. -Also not to forget we already used our one time amnesty on Posey.

----

Any one complaining about Foster collecting $3 million should be ashamed... First, as a thank you for all he has done... second, it was 3 mil, and still left us with 14 mil at that point... and third, all the work he did with Stephenson this summer, may not have made him a rotational player yet, but Foster sure did help turn the kid's maturity around; and I can't imagine how many others he has helped like that over the years.

Thank you Foster for all you did for our team, and our city!

BringJackBack
03-21-2012, 05:57 PM
I share many of the same thoughts here, and he, along with other players on this team, are the epitome of what I want to be in life... Someone who works his *** off every day, but doesn't expect anything in return. Long live blue collar Jeff Foster.

With that, I want to share this and it reflects Jeff's attitude on the court:

People are illogical, unreasonable, and self-centered.
Love them anyway.

If you do good, people will accuse you of selfish ulterior motives.
Do good anyway.

If you are successful, you will win false friends and true enemies.
Succeed anyway.

The good you do today will be forgotten tomorrow.
Do good anyway.

Honesty and frankness make you vulnerable.
Be honest and frank anyway.

The biggest men and women with the biggest ideas can be shot down by the smallest men and women with the smallest minds.
Think big anyway.

People favor underdogs but follow only top dogs.
Fight for a few underdogs anyway.

What you spend years building may be destroyed overnight.
Build anyway.

People really need help but may attack you if you do help them.
Help people anyway.

Give the world the best you have and you'll get kicked in the teeth.
Give the world the best you have anyway.

Paradoxical Commandments, Kent M Keith

Hibbert
03-21-2012, 06:03 PM
BTW, I know everyone will hate me for saying it, but $3m a year is what both Jeff and Josh got this season. One will be available to play in the playoffs. There have been times and will be times upcoming when having Josh would have been really handy.

BTW, They both signed those $3m contracts before the season started. Both had intentions of playing. Josh was given his chance but couldn't do enough with it to warrant anything. Jeff on the other hand, happened to have back problems that he continued to fight through for years and thought he could give it another year or two.

"I had hoped to be able to finish the season, but unfortunately my back problems prevented that from occurring." - Jeff Foster

Basically what I'm saying is a 35yr old Jeff Foster and his back problems are more valuable to this team than 25yr old Josh McRoberts and obviously the Pacers FO knew this and that's why they resigned Jeff and not Josh. It's not like we didn't have the money to sign Josh, we could of had him if we wanted him.

Jeff Foster means more to this team on and off the court than Josh McRoberts will ever mean to any NBA team. Jeff put in his work and stayed committed. There's not another player in this league that played his *** off harder than Jeff did. He will always be an Indiana Pacer.

pizza guy
03-21-2012, 06:15 PM
http://youtu.be/s4Mu_x7Co0c

This sucks. I'm going to miss Foster.

Malakai432
03-21-2012, 06:19 PM
Thanks Jeff for all the hustle you brought into the Pacers! You gave us some solid years! Wish you the best.

Indra
03-21-2012, 06:23 PM
Jeff is interested in becoming a real estate broker from what I understand. I doubt he begins a job with the Pacers, but I suppose he could change his mind.

Jeff has a job lined up with the Pacers. Almost took it last year but decided to give playing one more go. He will work for the Pacers. Perhaps not right away, but he will continue to work for the team.

LA_Confidential
03-21-2012, 06:24 PM
WHEW!

-D. Rose

idioteque
03-21-2012, 06:25 PM
I'm really sorry to hear this. Foster is the man, since Reggie's retirement he has been Mr. Pacer. It's sad to see him go, but I don't want to see him in a wheelchair either. Best wishes Jeff. You'll forever be remembered as one of the best Pacers ever.

OlBlu
03-21-2012, 06:37 PM
I'm really sorry to hear this. Foster is the man, since Reggie's retirement he has been Mr. Pacer. It's sad to see him go, but I don't want to see him in a wheelchair either. Best wishes Jeff. You'll forever be remembered as one of the best Pacers ever.

Foster was a terrible signing for this year and this outcome was predictable.... We could have had a back-up center by now if they had not resigned him. Someone let their heart over rule their head.... :cool:

Brad8888
03-21-2012, 06:38 PM
As I have posted here in the past, he should be given a retirement ceremony kind of like Reggie's where he receives a vehicle, too.

While Jeff may not deserve a Bentley, he at least deserves a really tricked out super heavy duty bad-a** 4X4 king cab long bed dually pickup from the manufacturer of his choice. He has carried a load for this franchise for a long time now, and it is time for a little recognition, even without his jersey being lifted to the rafters.

Please someone make this suggestion if any of you guys are able to.

Aw Heck
03-21-2012, 06:55 PM
I think my favorite memory of Jeff Foster is from Game 1 of the 2004 Eastern Conference Finals.

It's towards the end of the game. Foster grabs an offensive rebound, throws it out to Tinsley. Then Foster sets a great pick on Rip Hamilton, allowing Reggie to hit the clutch trey and help seal the victory for the Pacers. I think we're going to miss Foster for all the reasons already mentioned in this thread. He was a professional, he hustled, he played the right way. But to me, I'll always remember him as the guy that did the little stuff, the important stuff, that led to the big plays.

I wish I could find the whole sequence, but this is the best I could find:

http://youtu.be/yyXKPTqtLkY?t=1m9s

dal9
03-21-2012, 06:57 PM
Retire #10.
Lets not go crazy now.


I agree, we really got a steal in Lou. Lou is the type of guy you want to retire for your team, just like Jeff. It's so fitting the year Jeff hung it up we actually found someone who has the professionalism and work ethic to fill his shoes.

And as soon as possible!

(joking--Lou's looked better recently, but again, let's not go crazy)

beast23
03-21-2012, 07:13 PM
Foster was a terrible signing for this year and this outcome was predictable.... We could have had a back-up center by now if they had not resigned him. Someone let their heart over rule their head.... :cool:

........ And the horse you rode in on.

Shade
03-21-2012, 07:32 PM
I actually expected this last season. The writing's been on the wall for a while now.

Thanks for everything, Jeff.

rabid
03-21-2012, 07:46 PM
Foster was a terrible signing for this year and this outcome was predictable.... We could have had a back-up center by now if they had not resigned him. Someone let their heart over rule their head.... :cool:

Um no. As has been pointed out elsewhere in this thread, we've had extra roster spots and plenty of cash all year, even AFTER we signed Jeff. Jeff wasn't taking someone else's place; we kept him because he's a great veteran locker room presence, because we hoped he'd help us during the playoffs (which obviously won't happen), and probably somewhat because of all he's done for this franchise during his playing career.

We could have kept Jeff AND McBob if we wanted to. We chose not to. Personally I'm totally ok with how this went down, even though I'm sad to see Jeff go.

speakout4
03-21-2012, 08:28 PM
Jeff always gave effort. He just broke down. Now we don't have the expectation he will return in a few days, week, month or playoffs. It's over. Time to get some help at the 5.

90'sNBARocked
03-21-2012, 08:39 PM
http://blogs.indystar.com/pacersinsider/2012/03/20/a-sign-of-things-to-come-at-point-guard/

Dont know if this was posted yet


MikeWellsNBA Foster on what he plans to do next, "I'm going to become a beat writer at the Indianapolis Star." 5 hours ago ∑ reply ∑ retweet ∑ favorite

cdash
03-21-2012, 08:43 PM
Lets not go crazy now.


Why would we not retire his jersey? The guy represented the city and organization with consummate class for 13 years--and some of those were the darkest years in franchise history. He epitomizes hustle and hard work. The fans love him. There are plenty of other numbers out there. Let Jeff have #10.

Hicks
03-21-2012, 09:24 PM
I'd rather reserve jersey retirements for only star-level players. And I love Jeff. I just think it should be very rare.

Nuntius
03-21-2012, 09:28 PM
I'd rather reserve jersey retirements for only star-level players. And I love Jeff. I just think it should be very rare.

I can see your reasoning but I'd rather reserve jersey retirements for loyal players.

For example, the Jazz happily retired Malone's and Stockton's numbers. They wouldn't do the same with Deron Williams and they shouldn't do it anyway.

Edit: Another example. I heard that the Spurs just retired Bowen's number. He gave them 8 terrific years of production and defensive intensity and he deserved it.

Kid Minneapolis
03-21-2012, 09:36 PM
Much respect, Mr. Foster. You were a true Mr. Pacer.

Mr.ThunderMakeR
03-21-2012, 09:47 PM
I knew this day was coming soon but I'm still sad. I knew he wouldn't do much for us this season, but I thought he could still make a big difference in the playoffs one last time. It would have been awesome to see him frustrate a team through a series like he did the Bulls last year. That would have been my ideal way to see him retire.

It wasn't always easy to appreciate the things he did. I didn't realize until the few games he played this year how great of a screener Jeff is. Watching Hansborough, Hibbert, and even West set pathetic screens at the beginning of this season, and then watching Foster in the few games he played: his screens were a thing of beauty. He made a huge difference to the offense in those few games. I had always loved his defense and rebounding, but that is when I realized that maybe Foster had made a lot bigger impact on our offense throughout his career than any of us had imagined.

He's been one of my favorites for a long time, probably since the JO days. One of my favorite things about Foster was how he alwasy played great D against Tim Duncan. I think Duncan was quoted one time saying Foster was the toughest defender he played.

What else is there to say about Foster that hasn't already been said. He always played the game the right way, and for that I have always loved him.

Jeff Foster: I was always proud to have you as a Pacer!

joeyd
03-21-2012, 09:53 PM
I'm sorry, normally I read your input and more times than not I tend to agree with what you have to say on a lot of different topics. This on the other hand is baffling. Why are people thinking like this let alone even bringing it up? Someone on here even suggested Jeff was just about collecting his pay check this year. This is disrespectful and shameful.

Jeff Foster is nothing but class and would never collect a check without doing his part, doing everything he possibly could do on and off of the court. He has meant so much to the Pacers and the city of Indianapolis for over a decade now and all you're worried about is his low salary and what could of been? He wanted to play beyond this year but also wanted to take one year at a time. He wouldn't of signed the contract if he didn't think he could of fulfilled it. Him nor the Pacers saw this coming this year.

Today may very well be the blackest day in Indy sports history...

Jeff "Floorburns" Foster, you will be sorely missed. Enjoy retirement Big Fella, you earned it...

Excellent post. I have no patience tonight with people that purport to know what they are talking about, yet really have no clue.

As I posted earlier, there were many indications that the final retirement decision was a very recent one, made perhaps just over the course of the last night or two. Do people really think that PS&E would traipse Jeff out to do an autograph signing just hours before he was set to retire? That's asking a lot of a player, and frankly, doesn't make sense. I'm just glad I was around for his last official fan-related act as a Pacer player, and that we were able to thank him and tell him how much he has meant, especially to our daughter. He pretty much single-handedly got my daughter interested in basketball. Like UB, she became a Foster Fanatic very early on. He won her over maybe his second or third year in the league, at first perhaps with his great demeanor with kids during meet-&-greets, and later, as she matured, he continued to make a lasting impression upon her with his incredible work ethic and willingness to do the little things that contribute to the well-being of the team as a whole. Through him, she came to understand that doing the little things was important, perhaps learned the meaning of sacrifice, and definitely learned that even without being a superstar, hard work pays off.

So many great Foster memories, and a number of them with him not even in uniform, associated more with his integrity as a person and member of the community (remember the Marsh food drives, even after Marsh was no longer even an official sponsor of the Pacers???) and how he loved meeting the fans.

Indeed, a black day in Indy sports history, that one of the great representatives of our team and city could not leave the game in the way that he probably would have preferred. Not necessarily with a championship ring, but just as a participant on a team that would likely or will have finished the season on a high note, with great chemistry and with great potential for good things in the future. Therein, perhaps, lies the great sadness of the situation, and the reason why I, no doubt like many of you, got a bit misty when it finally hit you that you'll never see #10 on the court again.

Pacerized
03-21-2012, 09:54 PM
Jeff has been by favorite Pacer since Reggie retired. The guy really did give it his all every game and I'm glad he gets to retire after spending his entire career with the Pacers. I've never seen a player prove fans wrong as many times as Foster. It seemed like every year someone wanted to trade for some 2cd. tier flavor of the week center to replace Foster. I can't even remember all the names thrown around. Foster stuck with us and started for most of his career. I hope they have spot waiting for him in the front office if he wants it.

indygeezer
03-21-2012, 10:01 PM
Jeff is interested in becoming a real estate broker from what I understand. I doubt he begins a job with the Pacers, but I suppose he could change his mind.

I should offer him a job. :D

indygeezer
03-21-2012, 10:02 PM
I'd rather reserve jersey retirements for only star-level players. And I love Jeff. I just think it should be very rare.

Agreed....and Netolicky should have his jersey retired.

joeyd
03-21-2012, 10:23 PM
Few people appreciate that, if adjusted for number of minutes, Foster would have challenged Reggie as the all-time Pacer Steals leader. He likely would have been #1 in most rebounding categories as well. But he leaves the game having shot a cool 1.000 for the season in regard to 3 point percentage!!

ECKrueger
03-21-2012, 10:34 PM
Jeff was a perfect 10 in my books.

Shade
03-21-2012, 10:57 PM
I can see your reasoning but I'd rather reserve jersey retirements for loyal players.

For example, the Jazz happily retired Malone's and Stockton's numbers. They wouldn't do the same with Deron Williams and they shouldn't do it anyway.

Edit: Another example. I heard that the Spurs just retired Bowen's number. He gave them 8 terrific years of production and defensive intensity and he deserved it.

Um...didn't Malone finish his career as a Laker?

Nuntius
03-21-2012, 11:00 PM
Um...didn't Malone finish his career as a Laker?

Yeah he did but it was his only season as a non-Jazz.

Hibbert
03-21-2012, 11:19 PM
Yeah he did but it was his only season as a non-Jazz.

Damn, you been on here for about two months and already close to 1800 posts? Ive been on over two years and you have me more than doubled on posts.

Nuntius
03-21-2012, 11:33 PM
Damn, you been on here for about two months and already close to 1800 posts? Ive been on over two years and you have me more than doubled on posts.

I blame my university for this :p

Peck
03-22-2012, 12:03 AM
I was just looking at the Pacers photo page that they have up for Foster. Talk about depressing.

No not Jeff's retirement, look at those old photo's from way back in the early 2000's and look at those crowds.

Sure Toronto had Vince Carter but having been there during the seasons I can tell you that was really pretty much a normal crowd before the breakdown between the fans and the team.

Sorry, didn't mean to drag this down from being about Jeff but man was that depressing.

Anyway here is a great photo of Jeff learning from two of the best. One is a legend and the other is Larry Bird.;)

<a href="http://s437.photobucket.com/albums/qq98/parasource/?action=view&amp;current=AoiVeXyCMAEZfgR.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i437.photobucket.com/albums/qq98/parasource/AoiVeXyCMAEZfgR.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

Doddage
03-22-2012, 12:11 AM
That pic brings a tear to my eye.

Eleazar
03-22-2012, 02:20 AM
Do the Pacers have a Ring of Honor type of thing like the Colts? Foster might now be the type of player that you retire their number, but he is the type that you have to honor in some kind of lasting way.

xtacy
03-22-2012, 02:24 AM
goodbye my favorite player.

RLeWorm
03-22-2012, 02:44 AM
if bruce bowen gets his jersey retired then Jeff should too. Not many players play with one team their whole careers

Peck
03-22-2012, 05:02 AM
Do the Pacers have a Ring of Honor type of thing like the Colts? Foster might now be the type of player that you retire their number, but he is the type that you have to honor in some kind of lasting way.

Actually we did have something like that over at M.S.A. however since the entire fieldhouse is kind of a shrine to previous Pacer players & some general Indiana players (State not the college) it probably wouldn't work.

Although they could have a section dedicated to just that & that would be kind of a cool idea.

We have a lot of past players who will never make the rafters but deserve some kind of recognition with the club.

DocHolliday
03-22-2012, 05:50 AM
Foster was a terrible signing for this year and this outcome was predictable.... We could have had a back-up center by now if they had not resigned him. Someone let their heart over rule their head.... :cool:

I love how folks on here thought he was the Pacers big, secret weapon for the playoffs this year. I'm not so daft as to believe that McRoberts would've been a wise alternative, either. Let's replace our hard-nosed interior presence with a stretch 4--brilliant!

To summarize, he was good, but not that good.

pacers74
03-22-2012, 06:24 AM
Sad to see him go. Jeff was always a true profesional and a pacers for life. Hopefully he gets a job in the front office now.

Unclebuck
03-22-2012, 08:14 AM
I want to give a shout out to Uncle Buck in this thread as well. When he say's he was a Foster fan before it was cool he ain't kidding. Buck was a huge Foster fan early on and never wavered in his support.



Appreciate you saying that.

I remember a few arguments over the years between us about Jeff mainly back in '04 and '05. Although I think after a year or two it finally hit you, it wasn't Jeff you were unhappy with it was actually JO. Also think you were so upset about Brad leaving that it took you a couple of seasons to realize that Jeff was not the problem on this team.

Every year is seemed as though the pacers brought in a new player who was suposed to take Jeff's starting spot. And yet I predicted every year that by Christmas Jeff would be the starter and usually my prediction did come true (except when Brad was here). Seemed like every year the pacers brought in a new starting center or power forward to play alongside JO, and yet Jeff would eventually beat that player out usually by Christmas.

It seemd like it took most Pacers fans a lot longer that it should have to realize how good of a defender Jeff was. Sure everyone pointed to Foster's rebounding, but most didn't realize how good his defense was.

It was Jeff not JO who guarded the better offensive player on the opposing team. It was Jeff who guarded Tim Duncan, KG....... The only player who it seemd like JO was able to defend better than Jeff was Kenyon Martin. For some reason Jeff couldn't contain him and JO was actually better.

No doubt JO was a better shotblocker and a better off the ball defender, and better coming over to help in the lane. But Jeff was a much better one-on-one defender either in the low post or on the wing. And Jeff was excellent in defending pick and rolls.

Another area where Jeff was very under-appreciated was his passing. I saw it in his rookie year that he had a real feel for passing. He wasn't a great passer overall but he was able to see plays develope and usually made the right pass. On occasion he made some great passes.

Perhaps what made him such a good defender though was his extremely quick feet and hands. His lateral quickness was about as good as you will ever see from a big guy.

His rebounding was very good, although I maybe didn't think it was as good as most thought, especially defensively.

What he is most known for of course was his effort, consistant effort all the time he was on the floor. A few years I came to the realization that effort, energy, playing hard all the time was not something all players could do (even if they wanted). So that means it is a real skill that very few players have. A skill that lifts the whole team and IMO a skill that cannot be praised enough. His energy helped lift the whole pacers team.

holick
03-22-2012, 08:34 AM
Chinese Pacers fans will miss Jeff Foster.

One of our fan put up a little ceremony, in case the Fieldhosue failed to have this.

http://ww4.sinaimg.cn/bmiddle/5a02df54jw1dr8u06r1sqg.gif

Sollozzo
03-22-2012, 08:35 AM
I don't know if we should retire Jeff's number, if he had played a few more seasons, we just might've.



He could have played 20 seasons here and he still wouldn't have had his jersey retired. No matter how many years he played, he would have never contributed as much to this franchise as guys like Smits, Dale Davis, or JO (all all-stars) did and you will never see their jersey in the rafters. He was a solid role player and great teammate for a very long time, but that's not enough to get your jersey retired. We have only 1 NBA player with a retired jersey. It's an honor reserved for the elite.

Hibbert
03-22-2012, 08:57 AM
He could have played 20 seasons here and he still wouldn't have had his jersey retired. No matter how many years he played, he would have never contributed as much to this franchise as guys like Smits, Dale Davis, or JO (all all-stars) did and you will never see their jersey in the rafters. He was a solid role player and great teammate for a very long time, but that's not enough to get your jersey retired. We have only 1 NBA player with a retired jersey. It's an honor reserved for the elite.

Foster left finishing in the Pacers all time leaders top ten in eleven different categories.

3rd in offensive rebounds - 2101

4th in games played - 764

8th in defensive rebounds - 3147

4th in total rebounds - 5248

9th in steals - 507

4th in personal fouls - 1921

1st in offensive rebounding % - 15.2%

4th in defensive rebounding % - 22.6%

2nd in total rebounding % - 19%

6th in offensive rating - 115.1

10th in defensive rating - 101.7

Extra Categories:

7th in defensive win shares - 24.3

8th in win shares - 47.5

8th in win shares per 48 minutes - .145

Justin Tyme
03-22-2012, 09:18 AM
I love how folks on here thought he was the Pacers big, secret weapon for the playoffs this year. I'm not so daft as to believe that McRoberts would've been a wise alternative, either. Let's replace our hard-nosed interior presence with a stretch 4--brilliant!

To summarize, he was good, but not that good.


Daft! Kudos for using daft as I hadn't heard or seen that word used in years. I need to remember to file it in my archives of words to use in the future.

Sollozzo
03-22-2012, 09:20 AM
Foster left finishing in the Pacers all time leaders top ten in eleven different categories.

3rd in offensive rebounds - 2101

4th in games played - 764

8th in defensive rebounds - 3147

4th in total rebounds - 5248

9th in steals - 507

4th in personal fouls - 1921

1st in offensive rebounding % - 15.2%

4th in defensive rebounding % - 22.6%

2nd in total rebounding % - 19%

6th in offensive rating - 115.1

10th in defensive rating - 101.7

Extra Categories:

7th in defensive win shares - 24.3

8th in win shares - 47.5

8th in win shares per 48 minutes - .145


Being 6th and 7th in a bunch of obscure categories is not enough to warrant becoming just the second best player in our franchise's NBA history to have a jersey retired. Anyone who plays 13 year with a franchise is bound to be ranked high on some statistical lists, but that doesn't justify retiring a jersey.

I bet Rik Smits ranks high on plenty of lists. He played 12 years here, was an all star, and went to the NBA Finals as well as 4 other conference Finals. He was arguably the second most recognized Pacer of the Reggie era. You won't see his jersey ever retired.

Same for Dale Davis. He played what, 9 full seasons here and then a half one in 2005? All star major rebounder and defensive presence for a very successful team. He will never see his uniform retired.

Both of those guys did far more than Foster did and neither will ever see their numbers hanging in Bankers Life. Retiring a role player like Foster's uni would degrade the honor Reggie has by being the only NBA player with a retired uni. It's an honor that should be bestowed for the best of the best.

I'm not knocking Foster. Great role player and teammate. But didn't do enough to get his jersey retired. Not even close.

Tom White
03-22-2012, 09:20 AM
I'd rather reserve jersey retirements for only star-level players. And I love Jeff. I just think it should be very rare.


I can see your reasoning but I'd rather reserve jersey retirements for loyal players.

For example, the Jazz happily retired Malone's and Stockton's numbers. They wouldn't do the same with Deron Williams and they shouldn't do it anyway.

Edit: Another example. I heard that the Spurs just retired Bowen's number. He gave them 8 terrific years of production and defensive intensity and he deserved it.

I can see both sides of this discussion. Let me just inject this idea. I don't know that retiring a jersey or raising it to the rafters is something that should ALWAYS be reserved for players who have made multiple all-star appearances or led the team in career scoring or career rebounding or what have you.

I think there are times where dedication to the task at hand, loyalty and leadership should deserve the same reward. I would argue that Foster has done more (by effort AND by example) for the teams he has been a part of than many players who have been anointed the "face of the franchise" tag by either fans or TPTB.

I'll use the series vs the Bulls last year as an example. He singularly taught this team the way playoff basketball should be played. Was there any player who was a greater example of what this team should be all about than Foster? Especially at a time when this team drastically needed that kind of leadership?

I'm not saying to retire his jersey based only on that performance. But I am saying that perhaps you do retire his jersey because that performance was representative of what he has consistently meant to this franchise for so many years. At a time when there were few others for the younger players (let alone the fanbase) to look up to and respect, Foster was there, providing exactly that.

He has given the franchise honor, and now perhaps the franchise should give the same to him.

beast23
03-22-2012, 09:23 AM
Buck...

I started working on a post about Foster at about 6:30 this morning. It was developing into a great post. One about what Foster has brought to this team and what he has meant to the team through the years. It was touching on his rebounding, his being a great teammate, citizen and father-figure and his being one of the best defenders of the PnR in the last decade.

Then I went out to take the dog to the groomers before leaving town and also met some friends for breakfast. When I came back, I read a wonderful post that said, in a much better way and with far fewer words :-p what I wanted to say about Jeff. Not surprisingly, it was only right those words would be coming from you.

Well done and a sincere thanks for your post. You captured Jeff as only one of his greatest admirers could.

Hibbert
03-22-2012, 09:24 AM
"Foster, who was upbeat in a phone interview, said he enjoyed playing the Chicago Bulls in the United Center because of their fans."

Hibbert
03-22-2012, 09:30 AM
Being 6th and 7th in a bunch of obscure categories is not enough to warrant becoming just the second best player in our franchise's NBA history to have a jersey retired. Anyone who plays 13 year with a franchise is bound to be ranked high on some statistical lists, but that doesn't justify retiring a jersey.

I bet Rik Smits ranks high on plenty of lists. He played 12 years here, was an all star, and went to the NBA Finals as well as 4 other conference Finals. He was arguably the second most recognized Pacer of the Reggie era. You won't see his jersey ever retired.

Same for Dale Davis. He played what, 9 full seasons here and then a half one in 2005? All star major rebounder and defensive presence for a very successful team. He will never see his uniform retired.

Both of those guys did far more than Foster did and neither will ever see their numbers hanging in Bankers Life. Retiring a role player like Foster's uni would degrade the honor Reggie has by being the only NBA player with a retired uni. It's an honor that should be bestowed for the best of the best.

I'm not knocking Foster. Great role player and teammate. But didn't do enough to get his jersey retired. Not even close.

Did I ever once say he was a great player, let alone the second best Pacer of all time? I posted so everyone can see that what he did over the time he was here. You seem to be talking down on Jeff and acting like he just rode the bench his whole career. He might not have won a ring, been an all star, or anything like that but he was very important to our team on and off the court and he accomplished more than most players that play in the NBA ever will.

Sollozzo
03-22-2012, 09:37 AM
Did I ever once say he was a great player, let alone the second best Pacer of all time? I posted so everyone can see that what he did over the time he was here. You seem to be talking down on Jeff and acting like he just rode the bench his whole career. He might not have won a ring, been an all star, or anything like that but he was very important to our team on and off the court and he accomplished more than most players that play in the NBA ever will.



I'm not acting like he rode the bench his entire career. I'm saying that he was a solid role player and great teammate, but didn't do near enough to warrant having a jersey retired.

BillS
03-22-2012, 09:43 AM
He might not have won a ring, been an all star, or anything like that but he was very important to our team on and off the court and he accomplished more than most players that play in the NBA ever will.

Few people are disagreeing with this. What they are saying is that it takes more than that to have a number retired. There are a lot of guys in the NBA years who fit that bill of hard working and very important to the team on and off the court - in addition to the ones often mentioned I can add Vern Fleming and Haywoode Workman - and retiring all those numbers would be a bit silly.

A display reserved to be similar to the old wall at MSA would be great for guys like this - perhaps something actually in the lobby area where everyone could see it.

Hibbert
03-22-2012, 09:49 AM
I'm not acting like he rode the bench his entire career. I'm saying that he was a solid role player and great teammate, but didn't do near enough to warrant having a jersey retired.

Seattle retired Nate Mcmillan's jersey as a player who was never an all-star. Same goes for Bruce Bowen and SAS.

Pacers13Colts12
03-22-2012, 09:56 AM
Jeff Foster was my favorite player after Reggie left.

Each franchise has different criteria for having jerseys retired.

With that said, if the Pacers were to retire Jeff Foster's jersey, to me that would be a slap in the face to a lot of great players. Rik Smits and Freddie Lewis being two of them. 2 players who played on very good-great Pacers teams. My dad always says Freddie belongs because he was the floor general of those ABA teams. Smits is near the top in every Pacer statistical category. I like the retired jerseys being only for the best, not for role players. His jersey in the front case is enough for me.

Hicks
03-22-2012, 09:58 AM
Seattle retired Nate Mcmillan's jersey as a player who was never an all-star. Same goes for Bruce Bowen and SAS.

Different franchises have different standards for retiring a jersey. In Indiana's case, they reserve it for the elite / special, and personally I like it that way.

xtacy
03-22-2012, 10:08 AM
jeff was my favorite player but i still think jersey retiring is a little too much.

Hibbert
03-22-2012, 10:20 AM
Different franchises have different standards for retiring a jersey. In Indiana's case, they reserve it for the elite / special, and personally I like it that way.

So the Pacers will be retiring Jermaine's jersey? He did play one more year than Roger Brown and put up better numbers for a longer period of time than Roger did.

31andonly
03-22-2012, 10:53 AM
Dammit...I'm just about to realize that Jeff is really not gonna be on the team anymore.
So strange, Jeff has been my favourite player for about 8 or 9 years now. Ever since the good days in 2003-2005 I felt like he was the coolest guy in the league.

I remember this one game Eastern Conf. finals game (I think it was in 04) against the Pistons. A close game, but Foster hustled, grabbed one offensive rebound after the other and played phenomenal defense. We won.

People laughed at me when I told them how good Foster actually is. People around me were/are mostly bandwagon Lakers/Bulls/Heat (Cavs) fans and have no idea who this guy was.

Who? Uhh..you mean Greg Foster!

Wow...I'm sad.

Dammit...

BillS
03-22-2012, 10:53 AM
So the Pacers will be retiring Jermaine's jersey? He did play one more year than Roger Brown and put up better numbers for a longer period of time than Roger did.

I know this is arguing with a freaking wall, but Rajah WAS the FIRST Pacer ever as well as being an elite guard. JO wasn't quite either of those.

Come on, now. You can't possibly be arguing we retire 20 numbers.

Eleazar
03-22-2012, 11:04 AM
If you retire Jeff's jersey it automatically means you have to retire Smits jersey, and probably Jacksons and D. Davis's jersey's also. As much as I love all of those players the only one who I think you can make a strong argument for is Smits.

Peck
03-22-2012, 11:20 AM
Chinese Pacers fans will miss Jeff Foster.

One of our fan put up a little ceremony, in case the Fieldhosue failed to have this.

http://ww4.sinaimg.cn/bmiddle/5a02df54jw1dr8u06r1sqg.gif

That is wonderful. I hope Jeff see's that someday.

Hibbert
03-22-2012, 11:21 AM
I know this is arguing with a freaking wall, but Rajah WAS the FIRST Pacer ever as well as being an elite guard. JO wasn't quite either of those.

Come on, now. You can't possibly be arguing we retire 20 numbers.

I could care less if he was the first Pacer ever, he was the first player the ABA Pacers happened to sign. Jeff Foster is who I'm making a case for, not Jermaine. Though JO had better numbers than Brown and made two more all star appearances than him as well.

Foster was never banned from NCAA or the NBA like Brown was. I think that it's rare nowadays for a player to have only played for one team their entire career, it is also special and should mean something. I would like to see Foster's jersey retired, he wasn't great or an all-star, but he's everything that a team should want in a player. He did more than you can imagine for the Pacers and the city and for that I would like to see it happen, though I doubt it ever will.

Day-V
03-22-2012, 11:30 AM
I could care less if he was the first Pacer ever, he was the first player the ABA Pacers happened to sign. Jeff Foster is who I'm making a case for, not Jermaine. Though JO had better numbers than Brown and made two more all star appearances than him as well.

The Rajah's got him 3-0 in the Championship Department, though.


And it's "couldn't care less". You're welcome, Anthem.

Hibbert
03-22-2012, 11:35 AM
The Rajah's got him 3-0 in the Championship Department, though.


And it's "couldn't care less". You're welcome, Anthem.

That's great and all, not taking anything away from that, however they did that with about 19 less teams than they have now.

beast23
03-22-2012, 11:39 AM
Can I add a little clarity to the subject of jersey retirement, since I have been around for everything Pacer related from their first breathe in the ABA?

The fact is, we as fans, mere mortals if you will, know absolutely nothing about what goes through the minds of the owners and TPTB when it comes to player selected to have their jerseys selected for retirement.

To some of us, I suppose jersey retirement means, so and so was a very good player and I absolutely loved him, so by-god he should have his jersey retired. Well, just a guess on my part, but that's probably not good enough.

I can tell you one thing. Of the players whose jerseys are retired, no one, not fans nor owners nor TPTB, would ever argue against them. It's pretty much unanimous. No reason for doubt, no need for discussion or argument, they are just their and they deserve it.

Name just about any other player that has ever played for the Pacers, and I think that you start to get into the area of argument.

Someone mentioned Jermaine. Okay, so let's compare Jermaine to the our current honorees. JO certainly had some comparable stats to some. Okay, so what are the differences?

I won't even get into a discussion of stats. For me, and I'd almost be willing to bet that the following criteria had something to do with their section, it comes down to one and only one important point to go along with duration and stats. If I may borrow a term from Peck, each of our present honorees was a stone cold killer.

With Mel and George, in any tight game, especially playoff games, I would not want to be an opposing player in the lane attempting to get a rebound or a score against those two guys. They were either going to get the deed done, kill you, or die trying. You want to score on Mel or George in the lane in a tight playoff game, you better expect one thing... you better have folks lined up to help you get out of bed the next morning because you were certain to be very, very sore. If you needed a score in a tight game, you knew you could get the ball into the post and these guys would kill themselves getting the job done.

Roger Brown might have been the biggest killer the Pacers have ever had. I don't know how many times I saw players on the break or in the open floor attempt to guard Brown. It was a common site to see players on the floor or out of a shoe because they were either totally faked out or had just lost a shoe attempting to pivot and push off the floor trying to keep up with Roger. Reggie got open with relentless motion and help from his teammates, Roger got open as much from just totally faking out his man as much as being helped by teammates. You put the ball in Roger's hands a the end of the game, and more often than not the shot was going to be taken and made.

I don't think I really need to speak on Reggie's behalf, all of you have been around long enough to know exactly why his jersey is hanging in the rafters.

It all comes down to IKIWISI. I'll know it when I see it. TPTB puts a jersey in the rafters and they won't have to tell me why it's there. I'll know why when I see it hanging and so will everyone else.

But as far as any other player that does not have his jersey in the rafters and arguably should the only other one I can think of might be Dale Davis. He is the only other player that I can think of that I would classify as a stone cold killer. Unfortunately, perhaps he didn't have enough of what TPTB might classify as an all-around game to qualify. Who knows?

My perspective on players like Jeff and Haywood is that I would like to see some sort of recognition for players that kill themselves hustling 100% of the time to get the job done. Perhaps and all-hustle team or recognition?

Peck
03-22-2012, 11:39 AM
I could care less if he was the first Pacer ever, he was the first player the ABA Pacers happened to sign. Jeff Foster is who I'm making a case for, not Jermaine. Though JO had better numbers than Brown and made two more all star appearances than him as well.

Foster was never banned from NCAA or the NBA like Brown was. I think that it's rare nowadays for a player to have only played for one team their entire career, it is also special and should mean something. I would like to see Foster's jersey retired, he wasn't great or an all-star, but he's everything that a team should want in a player. He did more than you can imagine for the Pacers and the city and for that I would like to see it happen, though I doubt it ever will.

Man you couldn't be more wrong with that statement.

He didn't happen to be the first player signed, they intentionally went out & signed him as the first player because they knew of his talent.

Look right now there is just to much emotion to talk this out because to say that Jeff's number should not be retired would mean that you would have to list his negatives and believe it or not he had them.

This is not the time to do that.

This is the time to appreciate a true professional.

But having said that let's not disparage players who's numbers are up there because of what they meant to the franchise back before a lot of you were born and others of us were to young to remember.

All four players who's numbers are retired deserve to be there. There are others who you could argue deserve it as well but for fact the ones that are there deserve it.

:boomer:

Edit: Or what Beast23 said.

Day-V
03-22-2012, 11:40 AM
That's great and all, not taking anything away from that, however they did that with about 19 less teams than they have now.

"Yeah, that's great and all, not taking anything away from that or try to diminish it in any way, but that's exactly what I'm about to do with the next thing I say."

joeyd
03-22-2012, 11:41 AM
Being 6th and 7th in a bunch of obscure categories is not enough to warrant becoming just the second best player in our franchise's NBA history to have a jersey retired. Anyone who plays 13 year with a franchise is bound to be ranked high on some statistical lists, but that doesn't justify retiring a jersey.

I bet Rik Smits ranks high on plenty of lists. He played 12 years here, was an all star, and went to the NBA Finals as well as 4 other conference Finals. He was arguably the second most recognized Pacer of the Reggie era. You won't see his jersey ever retired.

Same for Dale Davis. He played what, 9 full seasons here and then a half one in 2005? All star major rebounder and defensive presence for a very successful team. He will never see his uniform retired.

Both of those guys did far more than Foster did and neither will ever see their numbers hanging in Bankers Life. Retiring a role player like Foster's uni would degrade the honor Reggie has by being the only NBA player with a retired uni. It's an honor that should be bestowed for the best of the best.

I'm not knocking Foster. Great role player and teammate. But didn't do enough to get his jersey retired. Not even close.

If you look at the stats on a "per minute" basis Jeff WAS great in a lot of statistical categories. In fact, extrapolated for the same number of minutes, he would have rivaled or exceeded most of Smits' and Dale Davis's defensive numbers (he certainly would have crushed the team record for Offensive Rebounding). Think about that a bit. Jeff was "Dennis Rodman" good, actually, in terms of rebounding.

Nuntius
03-22-2012, 11:45 AM
I can see both sides of this discussion. Let me just inject this idea. I don't know that retiring a jersey or raising it to the rafters is something that should ALWAYS be reserved for players who have made multiple all-star appearances or led the team in career scoring or career rebounding or what have you.

I think there are times where dedication to the task at hand, loyalty and leadership should deserve the same reward. I would argue that Foster has done more (by effort AND by example) for the teams he has been a part of than many players who have been anointed the "face of the franchise" tag by either fans or TPTB.



I agree with this.

That said, If I were around when Smits and Dale Davis retired I'd say that they deserved their jerseys to be retired as well :D

McKeyFan
03-22-2012, 01:28 PM
It seemd like it took most Pacers fans a lot longer that it should have to realize how good of a defender Jeff was.
Wow. To think there was a day when our defense was so good that Jeff Foster did not particularly stand out.

Wow.

Sandman21
03-22-2012, 01:52 PM
Foster was never banned from NCAA or the NBA like Brown was.

Read into that case. There was NEVER any evidence that Rajah NOR The Hawk ever were involved in the point-shaving scandal. In fact, in Connie Hawkins case, it was IMPOSSIBLE for him to have been involved thanks to the then NCAA rule forbidding freshmen from playing.

Yet both were banned from the NCAA and NBA for :censored: reasons. It should not be held against either of them.

beast23
03-22-2012, 02:20 PM
This is not the time to do that. [That = discuss jersey retirement selection or honorees.]

This is the time to appreciate a true professional.


Amen. It's time to discuss and honor Jeff's career and accomplishments. Nothing more. Nothing less.

How about we table everything else for this summer?

CJ Jones
03-22-2012, 05:42 PM
Jeff will always be one of my all time favorite Pacers. He was the ultimate team player, and despite his flaws he was highly respected around the league for things he could do. He was a damn good player.

I was really hoping to see a front court with Jeff and Lou. That would have been fun.

PR07
03-22-2012, 10:42 PM
The Pacers save the retirement of jersey's for a select few. I like Foster and what he's given this franchise as much as the next class but he's not in guys like Reggie Miller and George McGinnis's class.

If there's a ring of honor though, he should definitely be there however.

Hicks
03-22-2012, 11:05 PM
So the Pacers will be retiring Jermaine's jersey? He did play one more year than Roger Brown and put up better numbers for a longer period of time than Roger did.

You know, if things hadn't ended the way that the did with him, I think they would consider it. But I'm not sure it's going to happen.

Sandman21
03-27-2012, 12:21 AM
Jeff's presser from today:

http://www.nba.com/pacers/video/2012/03/26/JeffFosterretirementflv-2047267/index.html

Unclebuck
03-27-2012, 08:59 AM
I wish this thread was just a tribute to Jeff Foster instead of a discussion about retiring his jersey.

Pacerized
03-27-2012, 09:36 AM
Jeff's presser from today:

http://www.nba.com/pacers/video/2012/03/26/JeffFosterretirementflv-2047267/index.html


Thanks for posting the link but are you able to hear this?
The commercial before is at a normal volume but even with everything at full volume I can't hear what Jeff and Larry are saying. I hope they fix this.

aamcguy
03-27-2012, 09:40 AM
I wish this thread was just a tribute to Jeff Foster instead of a discussion about retiring his jersey.

You might say the fact that there is a serious discussion about retiring a career role player's number is a tribute in itself.

Sparhawk
03-27-2012, 10:28 AM
What do you guys think is next for Foster?

Would anybody like to see him become the assistant coach if Shaw leaves this offseason for a HC job?

I think he could keep our guys motivated on the defensive side. He seems to have a good basketball IQ.

obnoxiousmodesty
03-27-2012, 02:15 PM
Last week, after the announcement, I saw someone biking across campus wearing a Jeff Foster jersey. The sight warmed my heart and brought a huge grin to my face. Kudos, mysterious bike rider--that's as good a tribute as any we could concoct.

Sandman21
03-27-2012, 04:02 PM
Foster will be on JMV at 4:30 today.

Sparhawk
03-27-2012, 04:06 PM
Foster will be on JMV at 4:30 today.

If anyone listens, let us know what the convo was about please.

Sandman21
03-27-2012, 04:38 PM
Has tried to express to the team that the fans will come out, team is hungry for that support.

Last night was a total team effort, hopes DC can continue to ride his momentum

Fun team to be around

Heading right direction

Tough for him to walk away from the game, he, team, and locker room are in a good place.

Had a lot of fun being the bad guy in Chicago last year

The team is excited to experience the return of Pacers basketball

Thought the brawl team was very talented, uses it as a teaching tool for the current guys

Just excited to see the team play the rest of the year

Favorite moment: Tons of them. Friendships made with teammates, coaches, PS&E staff

Would come to the front office in the right fit

Loves Indy, plans to stay here, just left Kroger with his family.

Croshere doing a great job with radio and TV, will leave the commentary to him for right now.

Says that everytime Larry has said something to him, it has been to Jeff's benefit.

Peck
03-27-2012, 11:47 PM
I listened to Foster on JMV today & one of the weirdest & saddest things occured. In fact I'm suprised how much it actually hit me considering I was a fan of Jeff's but not what you would call a super fan.

But when JMV introduced him today he said "Former Pacer player Jeff Foster".

Man, that just doesn't sound or feel right.

Peck
03-27-2012, 11:49 PM
Has tried to express to the team that the fans will come out, team is hungry for that support.

Last night was a total team effort, hopes DC can continue to ride his momentum

Fun team to be around

Heading right direction

Tough for him to walk away from the game, he, team, and locker room are in a good place.

Had a lot of fun being the bad guy in Chicago last year

The team is excited to experience the return of Pacers basketball

Thought the brawl team was very talented, uses it as a teaching tool for the current guys

Just excited to see the team play the rest of the year

Favorite moment: Tons of them. Friendships made with teammates, coaches, PS&E staff

Would come to the front office in the right fit

Loves Indy, plans to stay here, just left Kroger with his family.

Croshere doing a great job with radio and TV, will leave the commentary to him for right now.

Says that everytime Larry has said something to him, it has been to Jeff's benefit.

Good recap but I want to add that Jeff made it a point to say that this team has now beaten every one of the big name teams this season, minus San Antonio & OKC who they get a chance with next week.

speakout4
03-30-2012, 09:02 PM
Says that everytime Larry has said something to him, it has been to Jeff's benefit.

That statement says a lot about Larry. Larry is growing in my estimation each year he is the guy in charge.

Steagles
03-31-2012, 12:54 PM
What needs to be done is: on the balcony overlooking the lobby (club level, I think) where all of the current players' banners are -

http://aroundindy.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/bankers-life-fieldhouse-inside-sign.jpg?w=581&h=387

on either side of the rounded "Bankers Life Fieldhouse" ring should be posters of players in the ring of honor. If it hasn't been created, it should be now. I think Smits, Dale Davis, Jeff and Jermaine should be in it to start.

Slick Pinkham
04-01-2012, 10:52 PM
some very nice words about Jeff's retirement in today's Heat-Celtics game, especially from Jeff Van Gundy. Kinda rare for announcers to spend time praising a guy not on the teams playing!

Isaac
04-01-2012, 11:01 PM
If it hasn't been created, it should be now. I think Smits, Dale Davis, Jeff and Jermaine should be in it to start.

I'm not sure if you're making a point by leaving him out, or if you just forgot. Either way, it starts with someone else.

TheDavisBrothers
04-01-2012, 11:04 PM
I'm not sure if you're making a point by leaving him out, or if you just forgot. Either way, it starts with someone else.

Read it again...

Unclebuck
04-02-2012, 09:28 AM
some very nice words about Jeff's retirement in today's Heat-Celtics game, especially from Jeff Van Gundy. Kinda rare for announcers to spend time praising a guy not on the teams playing!


Yes I heard that and they both had some really nice words. Although both failed to mention how good Jeff's defense was. They mainly talked about his intangibles, but they mentioned rebounding, pick setting.....