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vnzla81
03-17-2012, 08:32 PM
Yep I was at the game :puke:

MiaDragon
03-17-2012, 08:34 PM
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PacerPenguins
03-17-2012, 08:35 PM
NBA:where biased refs happen

rel
03-17-2012, 08:35 PM
Darren Collison...smh.

LoneGranger33
03-17-2012, 08:35 PM
Save us Leandro Barbosa!

PGisthefuture
03-17-2012, 08:36 PM
Just glad that's over with.... let's hope Leandro becomes what he was with Pheonix. :p

MiaDragon
03-17-2012, 08:36 PM
Save us Leandro Barbosa!

This ship may have too much water in her to be saved at this point.

AesopRockOn
03-17-2012, 08:39 PM
I really hope the thing to take away from this game is that the Knicks are fired up with a new coach and that we'll look back on losing both games of a home-and-home as 'not an atrocity.'

Either way, Peck, your Odd Thoughts can be as angry and frustrated as you can muster.

Danny and Fluffy were particularly bad tonight. I'll also add that the game thread was pretty calm all things considered.

rel
03-17-2012, 08:39 PM
The root of the majority of our problems start with Darren. He's the one the brings the ball up, eventually stalling our offense...and he's the one that lets EVERY one drive right by him, forcing our D to collapse and breakdown

AesopRockOn
03-17-2012, 08:40 PM
This ship may have too much water in her to be saved at this point.

Well, good thing Barbosa isn't Italian.

granger4mvp
03-17-2012, 08:42 PM
NBA:where biased refs happen


Yep WWE has become more real than this seriously how can they get away with it all the time honest question

BlueNGold
03-17-2012, 08:42 PM
The root of the majority of our problems start with Darren. He's the one the brings the ball up, eventually stalling our offense...and he's the one that lets EVERY one drive right by him, forcing our D to collapse and breakdown

You might add that he cannot feed the post effectively if his life depended on it. I think his style of play does not help Roy's confidence.

Nuntius
03-17-2012, 08:42 PM
This is just sad :(

LoneGranger33
03-17-2012, 08:43 PM
At the very least, a nice bounce-back game from Roy Hibbert.

Bball
03-17-2012, 08:43 PM
I feel sorry for Pacers fans at the game... There's no remote control to jump between channels at the arena.

MiaDragon
03-17-2012, 08:44 PM
At the very least, a nice bounce-back game from Roy Hibbert.

His D was still pretty bad as was his inability to maintain position on either side of the floor.

Deadshot
03-17-2012, 08:45 PM
The refs had nothing to do with our lack of hustle and inability to box out on the defensive glass tonight. If you want to blame someone, blame the Pacers. That was just awful "basketball."

By the way, Danny is trending on Twitter right now and is getting torn apart for his comments after the Philly game.

Sparhawk
03-17-2012, 08:45 PM
Didn't see the game, but lost by more than 10 points again. smh Pacers would be the only team that can't score at least 100 on these guys.

Hibbert had a nice game at least! Let's find a positive in this game.

BlueNGold
03-17-2012, 08:45 PM
I thought we played better. I also think Paul is playing very well. Hibbert also played well. But the Knicks scored like crazy because we cannot defend the point...with Lin scoring more than any other Knick.

DGPR
03-17-2012, 08:45 PM
Darren Collison isn't the only problem with this team, but he is our starting point guard and that's a big problem.

LoneGranger33
03-17-2012, 08:46 PM
His D was still pretty bad as was his inability to maintain position on either side of the floor.

I was going to add that caveat, but I wanted to stay positive.

Kstat
03-17-2012, 08:47 PM
Darren Collison isn't the only problem with this team, but he is our starting point guard and that's a big problem.

That seems to be the story of the last two games.

xBulletproof
03-17-2012, 08:47 PM
I can't be the only one who wants to go downtown and punch everyone with a Lin jersey/sign/Knicks T-shirt in the face.

I doubt most of them can name an NBA player outside of the Knicks, or even cared that the NBA existed 2 months ago. That's just irking me for some reason.

BlueNGold
03-17-2012, 08:47 PM
His D was still pretty bad as was his inability to maintain position on either side of the floor.

When he has to guard Lin, Stoudemire and Chandler...well, let's just say it's tough.

BlueNGold
03-17-2012, 08:48 PM
I can't be the only one who wants to go downtown and punch everyone with a Lin jersey/sign/Knicks T-shirt in the face.

I doubt most of them can name an NBA player outside of the Knicks, or even cared that the NBA existed 2 months ago. That's just irking me for some reason.

I hate the Knicks I suppose, but I don't understand all the venom directed at Lin and his fans. It's good for the game to get some international attention IMO.

MiaDragon
03-17-2012, 08:49 PM
I was going to add that caveat, but I wanted to stay positive.

sry.

gummy
03-17-2012, 08:49 PM
His D was still pretty bad as was his inability to maintain position on either side of the floor.

His D wasn't up to Roy at his best, but it wasn't horrible. I've really been watching for this in the past half dozen games and have come to the conclusion that while Roy struggles to hold his position at times, there are also many times when he gets good position briefly and nobody gets him the ball. Basketball is a game of seconds. You get him the ball quickly and he'd do better. He'd still struggle at times because he has awkward balance, but he'd do better. Sometimes he passes it out and re-posts deeper and doesn't get it right back (that happened twice this evening).

Hibbert was the least of our problems tonight. He looked like an NBA player again, which is more than I can say for some of our other personnel.

LoneGranger33
03-17-2012, 08:49 PM
I think everyone should limit themselves to one "Darren Collison sucks" post per day - it's really not constructive in any way, shape or form.

Also, can we change the name of the forum to "Pacers Disgust"?

odeez
03-17-2012, 08:50 PM
We just got checked by a better team. Period.

TMJ31
03-17-2012, 08:51 PM
I am nowhere near as down on DC as many here. But I do think that switching Hill to the starting lineup (at least a test run) would really help us out early in games.

DC would be much better coming out against the 2nd unit it seems. He just does not have the confidence in his ballhandling and decision making skills right now to be responsible for directing the first unit offense.

gummy
03-17-2012, 08:52 PM
I can't be the only one who wants to go downtown and punch everyone with a Lin jersey/sign/Knicks T-shirt in the face.

I doubt most of them can name an NBA player outside of the Knicks, or even cared that the NBA existed 2 months ago. That's just irking me for some reason.

All the cheering win Lin scored made me sick to my stomach. The Pacers are 100% responsible for their play on the court, though I imagine it feels crappy when your "home" crowd is either virtually non-existent or rooting for the other team. Of course, the quality of play and the crowd issues are connected. Just :censored: all around.

PaceBalls
03-17-2012, 08:52 PM
I remember at the beginning of the season when we were all playing so well. I kept thinking about how much better we would be once David West and George Hill got acclimated to the team. The opposite has happened. The whole team has regressed.

#1 priority this off season is a PG who knows where to put the ball. They should do whatever it takes to get Nash or Rondo or draft someone with real court awareness to play the position.

BlueNGold
03-17-2012, 08:53 PM
We just got checked by a better team. Period.

This is really the fact of the matter. They have a lot of talent. Goodness, they have Baron Davis, Mike Bibby and Jeremy Lin who have been or are all-star caliber PG's. They have Chandler who is a stud in the paint. They have Carmello who is one of the better SF's in the game. They have good shooters. Their backups are all-star caliber players in several instances.

Edit: oh, and Amare remains a good PF. Was one of the very best players in the league at one time. They really are loaded with talent.

Magic P
03-17-2012, 08:54 PM
We got worked on the 50/50 balls that pretty much costed us the game.

Sparhawk
03-17-2012, 08:55 PM
I'd love to give Hill a try as the starter. D would be better at least.

DC and Barbosa on the second unit would be sick. Other teams couldn't keep up.

Hicks
03-17-2012, 08:55 PM
At least tonight I felt like for the most part they were trying. The problem is only two or three guys had a good game. Frustrating to be sure, but really tonight was nothing like last night in terms of the energy level. Sure, there were a few stretches where I would've liked to have seen them play a little harder, but overall this was a much better effort tonight.

And it has to be said as many times as is necessary for everyone to see it and acknowledge it, the New York Knicks are playing much, much better now than they have been all year. Them changing head coaches just before we played them was brutal, and having Danny Granger's comment reach their ears was the icing on the cake.

I am far from happy right now, but at the same time I'm still not too discouraged about the team in the longer term sense. I still think they can bounce back and have a good end to the season. I truly believe that they will have a good showing in the playoffs this year.

xBulletproof
03-17-2012, 08:57 PM
I hate the Knicks I suppose, but I don't understand all the venom directed at Lin and his fans. It's good for the game to get some international attention IMO.

It's like if the Pacers signed Justin Bieber. You'd have a ton of people who had no clue WTF they are talking about, screaming, throwing huge fits over everything he did like nobody had ever done it before and just generally sounding stupid. Yet, they act like they're the biggest fans on the planet, and probably don't even know where the top of the key is on the floor. These same people didn't care a lick until he played well for a couple weeks. Bet they weren't at Warriors games in Conseco with those jerseys.

It's the same thing to me as Yankee "fans" who only are 'fans' because Jay-Z wears a Yankee hat. Yet if you asked them what a 6-4-3 is, they'll look at you like you're stupid. They don't have a clue. They know how to read a box score and gloat, but that's all.

Hicks
03-17-2012, 09:00 PM
By the way, it should have been painfully obvious yet again tonight why getting Leandro Barbosa was an important move for us. We still desperately need more scoring and shooting, particularly from the bench. Aside from managing the team in the floor general sense, I am more than ready to see AJ Price have a seat. Replacing his time on the floor with Barbosa should be a nice net gain for the team.

Hicks
03-17-2012, 09:03 PM
I am nowhere near as down on DC as many here. But I do think that switching Hill to the starting lineup (at least a test run) would really help us out early in games.

DC would be much better coming out against the 2nd unit it seems. He just does not have the confidence in his ballhandling and decision making skills right now to be responsible for directing the first unit offense.

If nothing else, having George Hill, defensively, at the starting point guard position might just significantly help to prevent some of these holes we seem to dig for ourselves at the beginning of these losses.

mattie
03-17-2012, 09:03 PM
The Pacers are 9 - 12 in the last 21 games.

gummy
03-17-2012, 09:03 PM
By the way, it should have been painfully obvious yet again tonight why getting Leandro Barbosa was an important move for us. We still desperately need more scoring and shooting, particularly from the bench. Aside from managing the team in the floor general sense, I am more than ready to see AJ Price have a seat. Replacing his time on the floor with Barbosa should be a nice net gain for the team.

I just have to say that when I read your posts these days I hear Giles narrating them in my head. When we lose this provides a much needed chuckle.:D

bellisimo
03-17-2012, 09:03 PM
anyone else remember the times when Amare would drop 40+ on us easily? This doesn't happen anymore but that doesn't mean there aren't areas in our game which needs serious fixing.

When our team plays with passion - we can go toe to toe with anyone and even come out on top - the problem is most games which we lose - our players just have that uninterested look with their body language - whether its fatigue or some sort of a mental lapse - i haven't figured it out yet - tonight it was obvious George Hill was going through it - previously it was Hibbert who had been dealing with it for well over 8 games along with the rest of the players.

I just don't understand how almost the whole team is always off at the same time given for one or two players. That is a concern which has bugged me all my life as if the team just agrees before the game that they are going to half-*** it and call it in...

the thing which we're missing from the first half of the season is the hunger and passion - our players were wanting to win - they had that hunger and swagger in their game like something to prove - we've seen that glimpse in the Philly game and it was great - but they need to get to that on a regular basis like they did in the first 20 games of the season...the "smashmouth basketball"

vnzla81
03-17-2012, 09:05 PM
Like I said before the Knicks are the 3rd best team on the east just wait for them to move up, again I hope we don't get this team on the playoffs.

Magic P
03-17-2012, 09:07 PM
Not blaming DC at all but when he dribbled the ball off his foot when the game was close that really killed our momentum.

BlueNGold
03-17-2012, 09:08 PM
By the way, it should have been painfully obvious yet again tonight why getting Leandro Barbosa was an important move for us. We still desperately need more scoring and shooting, particularly from the bench. Aside from managing the team in the floor general sense, I am more than ready to see AJ Price have a seat. Replacing his time on the floor with Barbosa should be a nice net gain for the team.

Yes, that's a nice solid upgrade. We got better when we acquired George Hill. We will get a little better when Barbosa replaces Price's minutes.

The Pacers really need to give the keys to George Hill and he should play the lion's share of the minutes at the point with the starters. That will help this team just as reducing Troy Murphy's minutes last year would have helped the team.

BTW, once Troy left the Pacers his minutes dropped from 32 to 16 (Nets), 10 (Celtics) and 18 (Lakers). An average of that, around 15ppg, is about right for DC.

odeez
03-17-2012, 09:08 PM
I won't blame this lose on DC or get down on him much, I liked his effort tonight, but this much is clear, he is not the long term answer at the point. I want some size at the position. That being said we are going to ride with him to the playoffs, and I'm not even sure if G.HILL starting is the answer, like some are calling for. Hill is great coming off the bench.

The answer is D.WILL. But I highly doubt we can get him.

ROY gets some love for his play tonight, but it sure would have been nice seeing Kaman backing him up tonight. Roy was killing for min, but he just ran out of GAS.

vnzla81
03-17-2012, 09:08 PM
I would also like to know what happened to West? 3points? Really? Vogel should had put Lou in his place.

bellisimo
03-17-2012, 09:09 PM
its not the losses that disturb me - its the way we lose that does. even when your team loses you want to have that respect for them knowing they've done everything they could and give their best...when we get blown out like we do on our losses - I just don't feel that way.

odeez
03-17-2012, 09:09 PM
By the way, it should have been painfully obvious yet again tonight why getting Leandro Barbosa was an important move for us. We still desperately need more scoring and shooting, particularly from the bench. Aside from managing the team in the floor general sense, I am more than ready to see AJ Price have a seat. Replacing his time on the floor with Barbosa should be a nice net gain for the team.

Indeed, it would have also been nice to see Kaman backing up ROY tonight!

vnzla81
03-17-2012, 09:10 PM
Not blaming DC at all but when he dribbled the ball off his foot when the game was close that really killed our momentum.

DC would not be DC if he doesn't do that.

BlueNGold
03-17-2012, 09:11 PM
DC would not be DC if he doesn't do that.

You have exceeded your DC "slam quota"...;)

odeez
03-17-2012, 09:12 PM
I would also like to know what happened to West? 3points? Really? Vogel should had put Lou in his place.

Yeah, he looked old tonight! Not sure LOU is the answer there, but I am open to the energy he brings ... his offensive game, like HANS leaves a lot to be desired.

bellisimo
03-17-2012, 09:14 PM
our offense needs a lot of time spent on improving - right now whenever we see something out of the ordinary by the opposing defense (zone, trapping, etc) the whole team goes into a funk and can't figure out what they should do to save their lives.

Hicks
03-17-2012, 09:15 PM
I just have to say that when I read your posts these days I hear Giles narrating them in my head. When we lose this provides a much needed chuckle.:D

"The world is definitely doomed." ;)

Sandman21
03-17-2012, 09:19 PM
Nice to see the NBA refs are trying to outdo their college counterparts.

BlueNGold
03-17-2012, 09:20 PM
I'm not sure if this makes anyone feel better, but we are nearly at .600 and we should start winning more games next week and we have a day to prepare for Miami here in Indy. I think we finish the season strong and see Barbosa add some punch to the bench.

LoneGranger33
03-17-2012, 09:20 PM
How many more losses until we see the return of Mal?

CJ Jones
03-17-2012, 09:20 PM
I was going to get on here and rip Vogel for pulling George in the 1st, but he left him in in the 3rd, so I'll let him slide. When a players got the hot hand, I wish he'd leave him in though.

I don't know what's going on with Danny. He's taking really bad shots here lately.

Hibbert looked good, which was nice to see considering he got bullied last night in New York. I wish we could get him the ball more. I counted several times he was in position with his hand up, and we drove around him or passed the other way. He should touch the ball every time down if he can.

George played well besides the 3 turnovers in a row. I liked Vogel's strategy to start the game. A lot of the plays were being initiated by Paul. We need to get him involved early and often if we plan on using the egg timer, and pulling him out first.

Darren missed another ally tonight. He had it open and was afraid to let it fly. I'm glad he was aggressive with his shot tonight. He needs to play that way always.

focused444
03-17-2012, 09:26 PM
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Mr_Smith
03-17-2012, 09:26 PM
Too high on IU getting that huge win to worry about the pacers tonight. I missed the game, looks like Danny struggles shooting again....same old same old, blah

LoneGranger33
03-17-2012, 09:27 PM
Hahahahaha...that's a great Barbosa face.

Sandman21
03-17-2012, 09:27 PM
If I were Vogel, I'd bring a checkbook with me to the press conference and just fill out the amount for a fine right then and there, because I've seen high school refs in schools notorious for "home cooking" call a more unbiased game than that.


Absolutely disgusted.

Mr_Smith
03-17-2012, 09:29 PM
Hahahahaha...that's a great Barbosa face.

He's got the "this is the team I came to?" face. lol

dal9
03-17-2012, 09:33 PM
I think we finish the season strong and see Barbosa add some punch to the bench.
Or at least a kick in the nutz...

CJ Jones
03-17-2012, 09:44 PM
The refs had nothing to do with our lack of hustle and inability to box out on the defensive glass tonight. If you want to blame someone, blame the Pacers. That was just awful "basketball."

By the way, Danny is trending on Twitter right now and is getting torn apart for his comments after the Philly game.

I don't know if anyone caught ESPN last night, but it was the longest Pacers highlight ever. At least 90% of it was the interviews and Danny's terrible play.


anyone else remember the times when Amare would drop 40+ on us easily? This doesn't happen anymore but that doesn't mean there aren't areas in our game which needs serious fixing.

When our team plays with passion - we can go toe to toe with anyone and even come out on top - the problem is most games which we lose - our players just have that uninterested look with their body language - whether its fatigue or some sort of a mental lapse - i haven't figured it out yet - tonight it was obvious George Hill was going through it - previously it was Hibbert who had been dealing with it for well over 8 games along with the rest of the players.

I just don't understand how almost the whole team is always off at the same time given for one or two players. That is a concern which has bugged me all my life as if the team just agrees before the game that they are going to half-*** it and call it in...

the thing which we're missing from the first half of the season is the hunger and passion - our players were wanting to win - they had that hunger and swagger in their game like something to prove - we've seen that glimpse in the Philly game and it was great - but they need to get to that on a regular basis like they did in the first 20 games of the season...the "smashmouth basketball"

We need more dogs. Tougher minded players, that hate to lose.

xIndyFan
03-17-2012, 09:45 PM
our offense needs a lot of time spent on improving - right now whenever we see something out of the ordinary by the opposing defense (zone, trapping, etc) the whole team goes into a funk and can't figure out what they should do to save their lives.

this, this x 1000

it is so painful to watch young players learning how to play. they are able to do what the coach tells them, but nothing else. i'm surprised someone doesn't just change defenses every quarter. pacers might have trouble breaking 60 pts.

D-BONE
03-17-2012, 09:51 PM
Looking like a 6 seed or lower now. We seem to be getting less cohesive as the season progresses. I'm starting to get a little impatient with the coaching. Only can be a matter of time until many do the same as long as the current morass of play continues.

vnzla81
03-17-2012, 09:53 PM
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Foster: "Man I can't wait to retire so I don't have to play 20 games a year with this sorry azz team again" ....

Barbosa:"Damn and I left Toronto for this?" .........

graphic-er
03-17-2012, 09:54 PM
whats up with David West not playing very much in the 2nd half??
Hell they had Granger playing PF several times.

If your that worried about Super Novak how about you make him guard West in the post?

xIndyFan
03-17-2012, 09:55 PM
whats up with David West not playing very much in the 2nd half??
Hell they had Granger playing PF several times.

wonder if his knee's ok. his feet are pretty slow lately.

vnzla81
03-17-2012, 09:57 PM
wonder if his knee's ok. his feet are pretty slow lately.

Lately? :hmm:

Lance George
03-17-2012, 10:00 PM
This team is a first round exit waiting to happen.

jeffg-body
03-17-2012, 10:03 PM
Youth can be a real pain in the ***. It is hard watching this young team grow. Through the good times and bad times is the identity of a young team. Hopefully we can get it together and finish the season strong. At least Roy had a good game tonight.

xIndyFan
03-17-2012, 10:03 PM
Lately? :hmm:

yeah, he's never been quick, but now he's slow.

or slower if you prefer. his BBIQ normally makes up for his lack of quickness. lately he seems behind the play. his hands seem ok. he still has quick hands, but his feet seem heavy.

has he been playing extra minutes?

vnzla81
03-17-2012, 10:05 PM
whats up with David West not playing very much in the 2nd half??
Hell they had Granger playing PF several times.

If your that worried about Super Novak how about you make him guard West in the post?

2 points in half time and bad D can do that to a player, Vogel made the right decision in not bringing him back.

graphic-er
03-17-2012, 10:09 PM
2 points in half time and bad D can do that to a player, Vogel made the right decision in not bringing him back.

I disagree, He did not get many touches in the 1st half. If they bring Novak on as the 4, they we should have punished them with Power post play from West.

Several times they went with a really small line up and we matched them up with some odd line ups of our own that arguably never played together.

vnzla81
03-17-2012, 10:11 PM
I disagree, He did not get many touches in the 1st half. If they bring Novak on as the 4, they we should have punished them with Power post play from West.

They tried before and didn't work, also a 3 is worth more than a 2.

Hicks
03-17-2012, 10:27 PM
We had some good match ups with Tyler and David at times, but we didn't go to them a lot, and when we did it was like we were all too excited about it; every attempt was rushed and the others didn't have great spacing.

vnzla81
03-17-2012, 10:36 PM
Youth can be a real pain in the ***. It is hard watching this young team grow. Through the good times and bad times is the identity of a young team. Hopefully we can get it together and finish the season strong. At least Roy had a good game tonight.

Here we go again with the young team excuse again :rolleyes:

Let's look at today numbers from our young starting players:

Roy: 24 points 12 reb and 2 assists

DC: 15 points 6 reb and 3 assists

Paul George: 18 points 4 rebounds and 4 assists


Now let's look at the not so young starters in our team:

Danny Granger: 11 points 4 reb and 1 assists

David West: 3 points 5 reb and 3 assists.

So yeah once again I don't buy the "we are a young team bs"

xIndyFan
03-17-2012, 10:54 PM
. . . If your that worried about Super Novak how about you make him guard West in the post?

yeah, the pacers tried that once maybe a couple times, but they did a really poor job of getting west the ball. and evidently NYK's doubled so well that no one could get any kind of shot off. it was strange. like they've never done it before.

odeez
03-17-2012, 10:56 PM
Here we go again with the young team excuse again :rolleyes:

Let's look at today numbers from our young starting players:

Roy: 24 points 12 reb and 2 assists

DC: 15 points 6 reb and 3 assists

Paul George: 18 points 4 rebounds and 4 assists


Now let's look at the not so young starters in our team:

Danny Granger: 11 points 4 reb and 1 assists

David West: 3 points 5 reb and 3 assists.

So yeah once again I don't buy the "we are a young team bs"

NO doubt DG & WEST came up small.

tflo
03-17-2012, 11:11 PM
This is my opinion and I hope not to offend anyone. Knicks' talent wise are on a completely higher level then the Pacers, it is not even close. Being that said the only way the Pacers could have won this game is if the veterans could have stepped up to the plate. We all know what happens next. The only thing I could say is what the hell happen to Granger; this is by far his worst year ever. We all know he could do better, but right now he looks like a boat anchor on the floor. He is just dragging the team down. Come on Granger wake the hell up and play like we know you can!

Hoop
03-17-2012, 11:13 PM
This was an exciting play by DC, throw it down little guy.

http://www.nba.com/video/games/pacers/2012/03/17/0021100656_nyk_ind_play3.nba

Pacemaker
03-18-2012, 12:03 AM
We need a franchise player.

graphic-er
03-18-2012, 12:48 AM
This is my opinion and I hope not to offend anyone. Knicks' talent wise are on a completely higher level then the Pacers, it is not even close. Being that said the only way the Pacers could have won this game is if the veterans could have stepped up to the plate. We all know what happens next. The only thing I could say is what the hell happen to Granger; this is by far his worst year ever. We all know he could do better, but right now he looks like a boat anchor on the floor. He is just dragging the team down. Come on Granger wake the hell up and play like we know you can!

Now come on, Granger did not have a great came offensively but he held Melo in check pretty well, and he had a monster block before the half. So I feel his effort was there. We just didn't get any real production from our bench tonight, not to mention our Starting PF. Which is insane because I don't think Amare can guard West.

We just didn't play good enough Defense. The Knicks had there way with us in the Lane again tonight.

Knicks have a lot of depth. Lin went to the bench with 2 minutes left in the 1st with 2 fouls. Then New York made their run on us in the 2nd.

tflo
03-18-2012, 01:17 AM
Now come on, Granger did not have a great came offensively but he held Melo in check pretty well, and he had a monster block before the half. So I feel his effort was there. We just didn't get any real production from our bench tonight, not to mention our Starting PF. Which is insane because I don't think Amare can guard West.

We just didn't play good enough Defense. The Knicks had there way with us in the Lane again tonight.

Knicks have a lot of depth. Lin went to the bench with 2 minutes left in the 1st with 2 fouls. Then New York made their run on us in the 2nd.

You are right. I always over react every time the Pacers loose

yoadknux
03-18-2012, 01:22 AM
Now come on, Granger did not have a great came offensively but he held Melo in check pretty well, and he had a monster block before the half. So I feel his effort was there. We just didn't get any real production from our bench tonight, not to mention our Starting PF. Which is insane because I don't think Amare can guard West.

We just didn't play good enough Defense. The Knicks had there way with us in the Lane again tonight.

Knicks have a lot of depth. Lin went to the bench with 2 minutes left in the 1st with 2 fouls. Then New York made their run on us in the 2nd.
Man, Granger is our go to guy and he's shooting 39%. He just sucks this season.

rock747
03-18-2012, 02:49 AM
We need a point guard.

PGisthefuture
03-18-2012, 02:58 AM
This is my opinion and I hope not to offend anyone. Knicks' talent wise are on a completely higher level then the Pacers, it is not even close. Being that said the only way the Pacers could have won this game is if the veterans could have stepped up to the plate. We all know what happens next. The only thing I could say is what the hell happen to Granger; this is by far his worst year ever. We all know he could do better, but right now he looks like a boat anchor on the floor. He is just dragging the team down. Come on Granger wake the hell up and play like we know you can!

The Knicks are loaded with talent and it's showing now... if you look at their roster and their record it makes you wonder how bad of a coach D'Antoni is...

DaveP63
03-18-2012, 04:43 AM
The Knicks are loaded with talent and it's showing now... if you look at their roster and their record it makes you wonder how bad of a coach D'Antoni is...

This^^^

Sherlock
03-18-2012, 05:19 AM
I've post this in the other thread, but still worth post here also.

Our starter possess below average passing ability.
Both of our wing player are below average ball handler.
Both of our bigs are slow and not strong rebounder. Hibbert are better, but the combination of these two are below average.
Out PG are small, and often defense slack, and not passing well.

Combination of these factors, a good team defense can take away our 1st and 2nd offensive choices.

When we are forced to execute the offense on-on-one, the chance of winning the game is the chance of Granger hit his perimeter shots.

QuickRelease
03-18-2012, 05:47 AM
He's got the "this is the team I came to?" face. lol

It's not like he just came from the Heat.

BlueNGold
03-18-2012, 07:41 AM
The Knicks are loaded with talent and it's showing now... if you look at their roster and their record it makes you wonder how bad of a coach D'Antoni is...

D'Antoni is not a bad coach. His teams have won a phenomenal percentage of games. The players (Carmello and Baron Davis primarily) don't want to play D'Antoni's system. Carmello wants to play the way he wants to play. Baron wants time on the floor ahead of Lin. ESPN pretty much explains the entire deal:

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/7684157/mike-dantoni-lost-new-york-knicks-locker-room-according-sources

D-BONE
03-18-2012, 08:06 AM
Team D has not been strong since early in the year. NYK broke 100 on us consecutive nights. Meanwhile, last night, after our 35 point opening quarter, we only managed 53 the rest of the game.

Bench gave us nothing. Granger & West gave us virtually nothing - our supposed veteran leadership. DC with some point production, but on poor FG%, lots of minutes, and I don't care about the way the offense uses him only 3 assists.

Agree the Knicks may be starting to find themselves and they have a talented group, but IMO getting swept on a home and home is still not acceptable if we are really as improved as we say we are - meaning a legit 4-5 seed contender.

Heck, that expectation seems to be slowly eroding with each passing week. We once felt we had a chance at three. Don't look know but we're only a little ahead of Boston and even NYK and Milwaukee are not out of striking distance.

Follow two solid home wins this week with two games of chickenshit. Call me impatient, but I'm tired of the young team schtick. Granger, Hill, West, and soon Barbosa have enough experience. They need to step up an lead bye example of their PLAY. Another 7-8 seed 1st round loss will equal time to move some sacred cows on this board in the off season.