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vnzla81
03-15-2012, 03:51 PM
Welcome to the Pacers Barbosa :dance::dance:


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_hd4v2QyRpnI/THVZeIhXK5I/AAAAAAAAAEw/aabcWL5_Y2A/s320/leandro_barbosa.jpg



Let's hope that he kicks some azz here :D

Sandman21
03-15-2012, 03:51 PM
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PacerPenguins
03-15-2012, 03:52 PM
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Doddage
03-15-2012, 03:52 PM
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PacerPenguins
03-15-2012, 03:53 PM
:rotflmao:

ECKrueger
03-15-2012, 03:57 PM
haha :D

Pacers4Life
03-15-2012, 03:58 PM
I at least expected a video or something. He's not going to check this and its already been beaten to death.. Some like him, others don't. This thread seems.. Lacking. It's got no pizazz .

vnzla81
03-15-2012, 03:59 PM
Oh yeah :nod:


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TheDavisBrothers
03-15-2012, 04:00 PM
I, for one, am super excited to have him here! Very good bench player that adds a lot of scoring punch off the bench

ilive4sports
03-15-2012, 04:01 PM
Did someone say pizazz?

http://lisavandyke.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/rip.jpg

naptownmenace
03-15-2012, 04:01 PM
One of my favorite players when he played for Phoenix. He always seemed to burn the Pacers when he played for them.

I'm glad the Pacers got him but I'm worried there won't be enough minutes, barring injury for him to make a major impact on the team. If anyone's minutes get cut, I'm guessing it will be Darren Collison's and AJ Price. I'm hoping it won't affect G2's collective minutes.

Pacerized
03-15-2012, 04:04 PM
I'm sorry, but I'm a huge supporter of Bird running this organization and I hope he does so for a long time.
Having said that, I'm highly disapointed in this trade.
I may be proven wrong but I don't see how this really helps us.
If Kaman were there for the price of the same pick, then Bird just made a huge mistake.

ECKrueger
03-15-2012, 04:05 PM
I like the move, but like others, I am not sure when he will play.

vnzla81
03-15-2012, 04:05 PM
Yeah in the beginning of the season I said that I either wanted Crawford or him and I'm glad is him, he is a good locker room guy, Crawford seems to be a problem, good job Larry! :)

Unclebuck
03-15-2012, 04:07 PM
He is a great finisher on the break.

ilive4sports
03-15-2012, 04:07 PM
I'm sorry, but I'm a huge supporter of Bird running this organization and I hope he does so for a long time.
Having said that, I'm highly disapointed in this trade.
I may be proven wrong but I don't see how this really helps us.
If Kaman were there for the price of the same pick, then Bird just made a huge mistake.

Kaman wasnt there fir the same price. If he was he would have been trades yesterday.

pacer4ever
03-15-2012, 04:07 PM
Coach Dwayne Casey: "I told Leandro how much I loved him and how much I'm going to miss him. He was the spirit of our team."

Pacersalltheway10
03-15-2012, 04:07 PM
Hopefully him and Granger are fine with each other

BornReady
03-15-2012, 04:08 PM
I'm sorry, but I'm a huge supporter of Bird running this organization and I hope he does so for a long time.
Having said that, I'm highly disapointed in this trade.
I may be proven wrong but I don't see how this really helps us.
If Kaman were there for the price of the same pick, then Bird just made a huge mistake.
Kaman was NOT available for that price, so don't be disappointed. There is a reason that Kaman remains on the Hornets. Be happy we have Barbosa!

vnzla81
03-15-2012, 04:08 PM
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PaceBalls
03-15-2012, 04:08 PM
This is awesome. Great move by Larry. Barbosa is still in his prime and adds much needed scoring.

Welcome to Indy Leandro!

PaceBalls
03-15-2012, 04:10 PM
With Lou playing out of his mind lately... getting Kaman doesn't seem as crucial to me as it did a month ago. Plus we will have Jeff Foster back eventually.

vnzla81
03-15-2012, 04:10 PM
I'm sorry, but I'm a huge supporter of Bird running this organization and I hope he does so for a long time.
Having said that, I'm highly disapointed in this trade.
I may be proven wrong but I don't see how this really helps us.
If Kaman were there for the price of the same pick, then Bird just made a huge mistake.

Lou playing out of his mind probably has something to do with it.

MiaDragon
03-15-2012, 04:12 PM
I'm sorry, but I'm a huge supporter of Bird running this organization and I hope he does so for a long time.
Having said that, I'm highly disapointed in this trade.
I may be proven wrong but I don't see how this really helps us.
If Kaman were there for the price of the same pick, then Bird just made a huge mistake.


Id go out on a limb and say Bird probably knows that and would have made the trade if it were available. I can see how people are disappointed that this is all we did however I cant see how people refuse to see how this makes us better.

Pacer Fan
03-15-2012, 04:13 PM
:)I have this trade in the Rumor section a month ago...Love It.

:dance:Welcome Leandro Barbosa!:dance:

TheDavisBrothers
03-15-2012, 04:13 PM
The people that wanted kaman instead of Barbosa need to realize that Kaman likely wasn't available for a 2nd. Also, there is plenty of room for Barbosa to play on our team. If anything DC, Price, Lance and Jones are the ones losing minutes from the trade, which is perfect. IMO Barbosa > Price, Lance, Jones and DC has been terrible lately. We now have EIGHT guys on our team who can score double digits on a nightly basis, that is a huge number!

MiaDragon
03-15-2012, 04:14 PM
He is a great finisher on the break.

How nice is it not to wince when you have a 2/3 on one break for once.

5_7_Clash
03-15-2012, 04:15 PM
Welcome to the Pacers and Indianapolis!

pacer4ever
03-15-2012, 04:16 PM
The people that wanted kaman instead of Barbosa need to realize that Kaman likely wasn't available for a 2nd. Also, their is plenty of room for Barbosa to play on our team. If anything DC, Price, Lance and Jones are the ones losing minutes from the trade, which is perfect. IMO Barbosa > Price, Lance, Jones and DC has been terrible lately. We now have EIGHT guys on our team who can score double digits on a nightly basis, that is a huge number!

Kaman was available for a 2nd and a 14m TPE (which is pretty valuable)Kaman is going to get bought out very soon so dont tell me he wasn't available the Hornets have no use for him they are tanking.

littlerichard54
03-15-2012, 04:16 PM
Good lord, how many steps did he take in the first video around the 0:28 mark? Worst travel in NBA history.

PacersHomer
03-15-2012, 04:16 PM
Excited to have an efficient scorer off the bench. There have been a lot of losses where we just went cold for an extended period of time. With Barbosa in, that should happen a lot less. Start Hill-George-Granger-West-Hibbert and bring Collison-Barbosa-Jones-Hansbrough-Amundson off the bench. I'd be pretty happy with that rotation.

McKeyFan
03-15-2012, 04:17 PM
Coach Dwayne Casey: "I told Leandro how much I loved him and how much I'm going to miss him. He was the spirit of our team."
And hasn't Casey been emphasizing defense? This is perhaps a good sign.

TheDavisBrothers
03-15-2012, 04:19 PM
Kaman was available for a 2nd and a 14m TPE (which is pretty valuable)Kaman is going to get bought out very soon so dont tell me he wasn't available the Hornets have no use for him they are tanking.

I sorry, are you part of the Hornets orginazation? Were is your proof that that is the case? Just because that is the speculation, doesn't make it a fact...

Sandman21
03-15-2012, 04:25 PM
)Kaman is going to get bought out very soon so dont tell me he wasn't available the Hornets have no use for him they are tanking.

I don't tink so!

Steve Kyler ‏ @stevekylerNBA
RT @BrainardJ0hn: Kaman is unlikely to get bought out right? ---> No, Hornets say they want to talk extension or will let Chris play out

Steve Kyler ‏ @stevekylerNBA
RT @BrainardJ0hn: Kaman gets bought out right? ---> he has about $3.9 million still due him... he'd have to surrender a big chuck

xBulletproof
03-15-2012, 04:25 PM
Not my first choice, and not my last either. I personally have never addressed it, but now I think you stick George Hill in the starting lineup. He isn't a size mismatch against anyone. Let Collison and Barbosa eat people up with their speed from the bench.

I am not in love with it, but I like it. The way AJ has been playing I may not play Collison at times personally.

Lance George
03-15-2012, 04:31 PM
For those who wanna welcome him, here's his (hopefully legit) Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/leandrinhooo20

vnzla81
03-15-2012, 04:32 PM
Not my first choice, and not my last either. I personally have never addressed it, but now I think you stick George Hill in the starting lineup. He isn't a size mismatch against anyone. Let Collison and Barbosa eat people up with their speed from the bench.

I am not in love with it, but I like it. The way AJ has been playing I may not play Collison at times personally.

Yep another Collison hater.....

:-p

naptownmenace
03-15-2012, 04:32 PM
I'm sorry, but I'm a huge supporter of Bird running this organization and I hope he does so for a long time.
Having said that, I'm highly disapointed in this trade.
I may be proven wrong but I don't see how this really helps us.
If Kaman were there for the price of the same pick, then Bird just made a huge mistake.

From most reports, the league wanted a young player and picks in any Kaman deal. I'm sure the Hornets asked for George Hill, Paul George, Hibbert, or Tyler Hansbrough in any deal and I don't think you'd say yes to a deal like that either.

The Hornets didn't trade Kaman at all. That says a lot about what they were asking in return for him or their intentions to try and keep him beyond this year (if the rumors about Mike Dunleavy Sr.'s ownership team requesting the Hornets not to trade Kaman or Gordon are true).

ApNeDtRiEeW
03-15-2012, 04:34 PM
this should help me win a few more games of 2K :)

Sandman21
03-15-2012, 04:36 PM
For those who wanna welcome him, here's his (hopefully legit) Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/leandrinhooo20

It is legit him.

Either that or NBATV declared some random guy to be the newest Pacer this morning.:laugh:

Eddie Gill
03-15-2012, 04:40 PM
I'm very pleased to have Barbosa on board.

I am, however, hesitant to start Hill and pair Barbosa and DC on the 2nd unit. It's tempting from an athleticism/offensive perspective, but defensively I think that unit would struggle.

Sandman21
03-15-2012, 04:41 PM
Danny Granger ‏ @dgranger33
Welcoming my new teammate Leandro Barbosa!! All past transgressions are now forgiven!!
:laugh:

tadscout
03-15-2012, 04:41 PM
I don't tink so!

Steve Kyler ‏ @stevekylerNBA
RT @BrainardJ0hn: Kaman is unlikely to get bought out right? ---> No, Hornets say they want to talk extension or will let Chris play out

Steve Kyler ‏ @stevekylerNBA
RT @BrainardJ0hn: Kaman gets bought out right? ---> he has about $3.9 million still due him... he'd have to surrender a big chuck

Also a little while back there was mention that the new ownership were going to want to re-sign him this off season. If they want him back and Demps only got a 2nd for him... well he wouldn't be working for them once they take over.

Pacerfan
03-15-2012, 04:42 PM
Danny Granger ‏ @dgranger33 Close
Welcoming my new teammate Leandro Barbosa!! All past transgressions are now forgiven!!

LOLLL. Too funny. But seriously, glad Danny is welcoming him.

vnzla81
03-15-2012, 04:42 PM
DC, Barbosa, DJ, Tyler, Lou? I can live with that.

vnzla81
03-15-2012, 04:46 PM
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DaveP63
03-15-2012, 04:59 PM
According to Wells, on JMV's show, NOH wanted a 1st and Larry said he doesn't do 1sts for expiring contracts...

Jon Theodore
03-15-2012, 05:04 PM
Haha, that is a great comment from Danny. I am kind of surprised that he even acknowledged the situation, I figured us fans were making a bigger deal out of the past issues (between Barbosa and Danny) than the players probably were...apparently not.

Jon Theodore
03-15-2012, 05:04 PM
According to Wells, on JMV's show, NOH wanted a 1st and Larry said he doesn't do 1sts for expiring contracts...

So glad Larry didn't do that deal.

TheDon
03-15-2012, 05:05 PM
According to Wells, on JMV's show, NOH wanted a 1st and Larry said he doesn't do 1sts for expiring contracts...

Good for Larry and also nice of Wells to have his back before the speculation on Kaman does any sort of negative feelings towards us. I suppose you could still say that this is just spin but, I've really got to believe that this is the case.

Pacerized
03-15-2012, 05:08 PM
From most reports, the league wanted a young player and picks in any Kaman deal. I'm sure the Hornets asked for George Hill, Paul George, Hibbert, or Tyler Hansbrough in any deal and I don't think you'd say yes to a deal like that either.

The Hornets didn't trade Kaman at all. That says a lot about what they were asking in return for him or their intentions to try and keep him beyond this year (if the rumors about Mike Dunleavy Sr.'s ownership team requesting the Hornets not to trade Kaman or Gordon are true).

You're the 3rd. person to say that Kaman wasn't there for a 2cd. but it's been reported that he was and I haven't read anything to say that he wasn't.
If Kaman wasn't there for that price then fine, I can live with Barbosa if that's all we could get for the 2cd. I don't want Bird giving away a good young prospect or a 1st. for a rental.
I'd like know for certain though, you can't just speculate that the trade wasn't there.

Hicks
03-15-2012, 05:10 PM
According to Wells, on JMV's show, NOH wanted a 1st and Larry said he doesn't do 1sts for expiring contracts...

But no! Boooooooo Larry Bird! He sucks! He's stupid! He doesn't know what he's doing! Fire the green guy! Booooo!

TheDavisBrothers
03-15-2012, 05:11 PM
You're the 3rd. person to say that Kaman wasn't there for a 2cd. but it's been reported that he was and I haven't read anything to say that he wasn't.
If Kaman wasn't there for that price then fine, I can live with Barbosa if that's all we could get for the 2cd. I don't want Bird giving away a good young prospect or a 1st. for a rental.
I'd like know for certain though, you can't just speculate that the trade wasn't there.

look 4 posts down, Wells said they wanted a 1st and larry wouldn't do it

Shade
03-15-2012, 05:12 PM
According to Wells, on JMV's show, NOH wanted a 1st and Larry said he doesn't do 1sts for expiring contracts...

I think New Orleans just likes to screw with us. Must be payback for the DC/Murphy trade.

BrownBearCoffee
03-15-2012, 05:13 PM
Anybody else really, really enjoying watching Larry Bird rebuild this team like someone who actually uses good logic? Yeah, me too. Quite refreshing for once.

AesopRockOn
03-15-2012, 05:14 PM
I think New Orleans just likes to screw with us. Must be payback for the DC/Murphy trade.

Unless they were asking for DC back...

Sparhawk
03-15-2012, 05:14 PM
Like the trade. Bummed another move wasn't made, cause we have way too many guards.

naptownmenace
03-15-2012, 05:20 PM
DC, Barbosa, DJ, Tyler, Lou? I can live with that.

There's so much energy and speed with that lineup, they could really bring a run-and-gun tempo to the second unit. I think it's a little weaker defensively and pretty short/small but you could always change it up by swapping Paul for DJ at the SF position.

I'm excited to see him play for the Pacers and think he could be exactly what we were wanting out of OJ Mayo and Jamal Crawford. If it doesn't work out... oh well we didn't give up much and we can let him walk at the end of the season.

vnzla81
03-15-2012, 05:25 PM
I think New Orleans just likes to screw with us. Must be payback for the DC/Murphy trade.

I'm pretty sure we screwed the Nets.

ilive4sports
03-15-2012, 05:26 PM
Anybody else really, really enjoying watching Larry Bird rebuild this team like someone with half a brain? Yeah, me too.

you say this like Bird isn't a front runner for Executive of the Year.

BrownBearCoffee
03-15-2012, 05:28 PM
you say this like Bird isn't a front runner for Executive of the Year.

I should probably edit that. Upon re-reading, it actually sounds negative when it was supposed to be quite the opposite.

McKeyFan
03-15-2012, 05:34 PM
I should probably edit that. Upon re-reading, it actually sounds negative when it was supposed to be quite the opposite.
I took it the right way, although in reading it again slowly it communicates the opposite.

naptownmenace
03-15-2012, 05:37 PM
Here's a great highlight package from NBATV:

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2012/03/15/20120315_barbosa_vo.nba

I predict many And-1s in the Pacers future. :yes:

BrownBearCoffee
03-15-2012, 05:37 PM
I took it the right way, although in reading it again slowly it communicates the opposite.

Haha yeah it was a bit confusing. Thanks for the heads-up, guys. Hopefully my edit gets the point across much more clearly! Long live Bird!

Pacerized
03-15-2012, 05:43 PM
But no! Boooooooo Larry Bird! He sucks! He's stupid! He doesn't know what he's doing! Fire the green guy! Booooo!

I'm not seeing much of that from this thread.
I've been nothing but a supporter of Birds even when it seemed like the majority were down on him. I still don't think Barbosa helps us a lot because we have Hill. If Kaman were available with a 2cd. then big mistake, but if not then I'm happy with Bird doing what he can and I suppose Barbosa will help somewhat and he doesn't hurt our cap space next summer. If what Wells has tweeted is true then N.O. gets what they deserve which is nothing in return.

Major Cold
03-15-2012, 05:50 PM
I'm not seeing much of that from this thread.
I've been nothing but a supporter of Birds even when it seemed like the majority were down on him. I still don't think Barbosa helps us a lot because we have Hill. If Kaman were available with a 2cd. then big mistake, but if not then I'm happy with Bird doing what he can and I suppose Barbosa will help somewhat and he doesn't hurt our cap space next summer. If what Wells has tweeted is true then N.O. gets what they deserve which is nothing in return.

He wasn't. Get over it.

Nuntius
03-15-2012, 06:04 PM
If Kaman were there for the price of the same pick, then Bird just made a huge mistake.

He wasn't. It has been reported that the Hornets wanted at least a 1st rounder.

ejwallace
03-15-2012, 06:06 PM
If nothing more, Barbosa gives Hill's shoulder some time to heal.....And with Hill having 2 separate injuries this year already....Just call this insurance that we have an explosive shooter and play maker off the bench....

Oh, one more thing.....If Hill can stay healthy, have him play the 1 and Barbosa the 2 coming off the bench, and you have a high intensity, high scoring second unit there....

PaceBalls
03-15-2012, 06:17 PM
Anybody else really, really enjoying watching Larry Bird rebuild this team like someone who actually uses good logic? Yeah, me too. Quite refreshing for once.

Compare our roster in 2009-2010 to now.. http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/IND/2010.html

Quite the turn around. That season was so depressing, I had almost no faith in Larry at that point. Keeping Jim as the coach and watching Troy Murphy play 33mpg was unbearable. Just look at us now! :dance:

sam kaiserblade
03-15-2012, 06:22 PM
Wish Toronto would have thrown in Aaron Gray.

When I heard they traded for Leandro Barbosa, I thought they had gotten the guy that does the Brazilian Butt infomercials that run on satellite 24 hours a day on various channels.

jeffg-body
03-15-2012, 06:25 PM
Good pick-up from out FO. Barbosa will do well in our system. Considering what we gave up to get him it is an absolute steal.

2minutes twoa
03-15-2012, 06:33 PM
If Hill is moved to the starting lineup, I love how our roster looks! Depending on the lineup, we can either beat you or run you to death'

Steagles
03-15-2012, 06:52 PM
What number will he wear? His trademark 10 is Jeff, but 20 from Toronto is free, so I guess 20?

Brad8888
03-15-2012, 06:54 PM
Welc:zip:

;)

xBulletproof
03-15-2012, 08:01 PM
Anybody else really, really enjoying watching Larry Bird rebuild this team like someone who actually uses good logic? Yeah, me too. Quite refreshing for once.

I said this years ago. A ton of what I got were silly responses about how he was going to blow a zillion cap dollars on scrubs. Even though there was literally nothing to indicate that was a logical conclusion. Waiting out the mess of crappy contracts was a common sense move which indicated to me he would use the cap space in a common sense manner as well.

Of course, common sense isn't so common, so some people couldn't come to a common sense conclusion about what was going on. :laugh:

Hicks
03-15-2012, 08:10 PM
What number will he wear? His trademark 10 is Jeff, but 20 from Toronto is free, so I guess 20?

Pacers tweeted he'll wear #28.

Steagles
03-15-2012, 08:53 PM
http://img.tapatalk.com/4cfbef54-8f0b-4242.jpg
Figured I'd bust this one back out!
Welcome, Leandrinho!


Sent from my iPhone 4 using Tapatalk

spazzxb
03-15-2012, 09:17 PM
Anybody else really, really enjoying watching Larry Bird rebuild this team like someone who actually uses good logic? Yeah, me too. Quite refreshing for once.

What I respect most about Bird is his patience. He didn't make desperate moves and he didn't mortgage the future for short term benefits. he does what he feels is in the best interest of the team , with no regard to popularity. The fallout and recovery from the brawl could be used as an excellent case study in strategic management courses.

D-BONE
03-15-2012, 09:43 PM
Very interested to see how this plays out. Screw the Kaman thing if they wanted a first. Bird did the right thing there. Meanwhile, I like Barbosa a lot for the 6th man, bench offense role. I think a bench backcourt of he and Hill could be hell on wheels.

vnzla81
03-15-2012, 11:38 PM
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BringJackBack
03-16-2012, 04:56 AM
Vnzla, just wanted to say I appreciate you posting all of these videos man.

NapTonius Monk
03-16-2012, 07:08 AM
Has Barbosa commented since the trade?

HC
03-16-2012, 08:01 AM
Has Barbosa commented since the trade?

I believe I found his twitter last night, but it hasn't been active recently.

Lance George
03-16-2012, 08:40 AM
Anyone wanna post Hollinger's trade grades and comments? Thanks.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story?page=TradeGrades-110315&_slug_=deadline-deals

PacerPenguins
03-16-2012, 08:49 AM
Anyone wanna post Hollinger's trade grades and comments? Thanks.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story?page=TradeGrades-110315&_slug_=deadline-deals

There you go :D


Denver: B
McGee has become a YouTube sensation for all the wrong reasons, making a colossal mental error at least once a game. I may need to move to Denver just to watch George Karl's reaction to coaching him.

And yet I like this. I know how weird this looks, but hear me out. The Nuggets had buyer's remorse on Nene from almost the day the contract was signed, as he's been unwilling to play through minor injuries and his on-court performance has slipped. I had heard the same reports others have that the Nuggets offered him to Sacramento for DeMarcus Cousins in the opening weeks of the season; in fact I was told it was the first call the Kings got after the Cousins-Westphal brouhaha.

Nene is 29 years old and relies heavily on his athleticism, and at $13 million a year for each of the four years after this one makes him a major risk, especially since the Nuggets have a lot of other young, talented players who will need to be paid over the next three years.

McGee, on the other hand, is 24 years old and hugely productive. He's Nene's equal as a finisher and scorer, and a much better rebounder and shot-blocker. He makes dramatically less than Nene right now, and while that gap will close this summer, the chill of restricted free agency should still allow the Nuggets to keep him for much less than the four years, $52 million owed Nene.

Additionally, the Nuggets will get a huge trade exception out of this. If my cap math is right, they can slot both Turiaf and McGee just inside the $7 million exception left over from the Raymond Felton deal (seriously, how giddy must the Nuggets be about that trade?), and thus can do a straight deal of Nene into a $13 million exception.
Basically, they amnestied Nene and got players back.

So while I'd rather have Nene than McGee today, I'm not sure that's true three years from now. And when you look at all the other cap management considerations, this is a nice deal for Denver.


Washington: C-
I get why they did it -- Washington didn't want to pay for McGee and had no interest at all in keeping Nick Young. That said, I can't help thinking this is the classic Ernie Grunfeld maneuver, making a deal as if his team is one player away from contending for the title regardless of where they actually stand. While this might not be quite as bad as going "all in" for Randy Foye and Mike Miller two years ago, the Wizards gained five years and considerable dollars at the center position, and it's not clear if they gained at all in the talent department.

Washington is still far enough below the cap that the dollars may not matter much, particularly if they amnesty Rashard Lewis this summer. Nonetheless, I think they overreacted to McGee's agent's contract demands heading into this summer -- again, NBA teams have been amazingly slow to realize how much leverage they have in restricted free agency. They do at least get a high second-round pick belonging to the Hornets in return for Young, who was gone after the season otherwise.


L.A. Clippers: B+
There are a lot of things I don't like about Nick Young as a player -- he doesn't pass, he takes too many long 2s, and he doesn't try that hard on defense. But it's tough to argue with "free" as a price point, or in this case, virtually free. The Clippers only gave up Brian Cook's dead weight and a second-round draft pick, slotting Young just inside the trade exception they had from the Eric Gordon deal earlier this year.

Young waived his Bird Rights to agree to this deal, most likely because he's from L.A., and likely can take over as the starting shooting guard. His ability to space the floor and post up small 2s for mid-range jumpers gives the Clippers a weapon they've been missing since Chauncey Billups was lost for the year. They probably won't be able to bring him back, but this was probably the best rental move any team made on Thursday.


March 15: Wallace coming to New Jersey
Nets trade Shawne Williams, Mehmet Okur and a first-round pick to Portland for Gerald Wallace.

See news story on the deal
View this deal in the ESPN Trade Machine


Portland: A
The Blazers are flailing, but this was absolutely the right move for them -- a means to a quickie rebuilding project that can have them back in the West's upper crust while LaMarcus Aldridge is still in his prime. Or so they hope.

The top-3 protected draft choice from the Nets is the key. It's likely to fall in the 6-to-10 range, giving the Blazers a shot at a high lottery pick.

There are two other angles here. First, they are assured that Wallace won't opt in for $9.5 million next year and screw up their cap situation; instead they're locked into $3.1 million for Williams and roughly $2.5 million for the first-round pick. If they also deal Jamal Crawford (or if he opts out, which seems likely), they'll be $25 million under the cap next summer, which means they have the wherewithal to re-sign Nicolas Batum and plunge into the free-agent market.

Second, while Williams was useless in New Jersey as a 3, he's had some success as a 4 off the bench. That could be his role in Portland, since Wallace had effectively taken over as the backup power forward. Alternatively, the trade could open playing time for Luke Babbitt -- who has played well in recent garbage-time stints -- or the scandalously underutilized Craig Smith.

Finally, this clears up a perimeter jumble for Portland. Batum gets to start at the 3, his natural position, and if Crawford goes, it appears Wes Matthews and Elliot Williams can share the shooting guard spot.


New Jersey: D+
The Nets made a reckless gamble at the trade deadline for the second year in a row; last year it was Williams, this year it's trading a lottery pick for Wallace.

I put a "plus" on their D for one reason: Wallace was one of the players Orlando coveted in earlier Dwight Howard trade scenarios, which means the Nets maintain a stockpile of players that could be converted into Howard on draft day or early this summer.

If Wallace stays, that is, which is by no means certain. He can opt out after the season and become an unrestricted free agent, although New Jersey may wiggle an extension in front of him and see if he bites. I'm not sure that's a great outcome either, though, since Wallace turns 30 in July and is visibly less athletic than in his Charlotte days.

So basically, the Nets gave up a lottery pick for a midtier starter who can leave as a free agent. If he stays, New Jersey is still in pretty good shape cap-wise; the Nets would have enough cap room to re-sign Kris Humphries and Brook Lopez and could go after a big-time free agent even if Deron Williams leaves.

And one can see what they're trying to do, at least: sell Williams on a starting five with MarShon Brooks, Wallace, Humpries and Lopez, with Anthony Morrow, Jordan Farmar and Gerald Green off the bench. That's a pretty good team, right? But I'm not sure "pretty good" is enough of a lure when the siren song of a Dallas homecoming is calling.


March 15: Camby on the way to Houston
Blazers send Marcus Camby to Houston for Hasheem Thabeet, Jonny Flynn and Minnesota's second-round pick.

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Portland: B-
It makes sense for Portland to start moving players it won't have after this season, and it gets a free look at Thabeet and Flynn to see if they can be a part of the solution going forward. Alas, watching Flynn for any length of time may give Blazers fans a new appreciation for Raymond Felton.

Trading Camby also may force Portland to stumble into a much better arrangement: Playing LaMarcus Aldridge at center. The Blazers can use Craig Smith, Luke Babbitt and recently acquired Shawne Williams at the 4, space the floor, and perhaps rediscover some of the vibrancy they showed earlier this season.


Houston: B+
It's not deadline day until Daryl Morey makes a deal involving a second-round pick. In this one, the Rockets used their expiring contracts to get a better player who is also on an expiring contract; this barely affects their long-term strategy at all but it does give them a leg up in their playoff push. Expect Camby to take minutes as the backup center, and in the big picture he provides more quality size for a team that could really use some.


March 15: Jackson for Jefferson swap
Warriors send Stephen Jackson to San Antonio for Richard Jefferson, TJ Ford and a first-round pick.

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Golden State: D+
Golden State gets the better player in Jefferson, and he may help them with their playoff run. But wait, aren't they trying to tank? Wasn't that half the reason for the Monta Ellis trade? My brain hurts.

At any rate, this is a bad trade for completely different reasons -- Jefferson has one more year left than Jackson, one in which he makes $11 million. Having already taken themselves out of the free-agent race in 2012 with the original trade for Jackson two days ago, the Warriors now have punted on 2013 by taking on Jefferson; add an extension in the $10 million range for Stephen Curry and they're capped out with Curry, Jefferson, David Lee, Andris Biedrins and Andrew Bogut, and they've already used their amnesty.

By 2013-14 the Warriors are likely to be swashbuckling with the luxury tax, and that will be a much more punitive monster that season than it is now. All this might make sense if they were locking in a championship contender, but they've basically committed long-term to a fairly uninspiring nucleus. The absolute best-case scenario is that they're the West Coast Atlanta Hawks.

They also got a first-rounder from San Antonio, but it will be a very late one in all likelihood. Plus, nobody pays $11 million for first-round picks. Well, except Cleveland, I guess.


San Antonio: B
It's an odd trade for a team in the championship race to make, since Jefferson-for-Jacko is a slight downgrade at this point in their respective careers. But the long-term savings were simply too good to pass up; San Antonio now has massive cap flexibility in the summer of 2013.

Additionally, one can argue it made a potentially difficult move much easier. The Spurs were likely going to have to bench Jefferson, who has started all 41 games but has by far the worst PER of San Antonio's 10 rotation players. With Kawhi Leonard playing well and Manu Ginobili likely to return soon, they sidestep a potentially sticky problem and can bring Jackson off the bench in a more limited role.


March 15: Sessions headed to the Lakers
Lakers trade Luke Walton, Jason Kapono and 2012 first-rounder to Cleveland for Ramon Sessions and Christian Eyenga.

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Cleveland: D+
If Dan Gilbert is paying attention, he should ask David Stern to void this trade for "basketball reasons."

First, let's follow the dead money. Walton makes $6.1 million next year with his trade kicker; Eyenga makes $1.1 million; neither of them are likely to play much or do anything of consequence if they do. So Cleveland swallows $5 million in dead 2012-13 salary.

For the privilege, they get a first-round pick from L.A. that will likely be in the 20s. The interesting part here is that when teams have done cash-for-late-first-rounder deals, they've typically valued the pick in the $3-4 million range. At best, the Cavs slightly overpaid on this part of the equation. And from L.A.'s side the savings double since they're in the luxury tax; effectively being paid $10 million for a late first-rounder is great business on their part.

But wait ... Cleveland also gave up a really good point guard! The Lakers essentially got Sessions for free; it was a fair deal just to give them a first-rounder to take Walton off their hands.

The Cavs do effectively move up a few spots in the 2013 draft with this deal. The Cavs get the right to swap Miami's first-round pick, which they own, with L.A.'s; most likely, that pushes them from 29th or 30th into more like the low-mid 20s.


L.A. Lakers: A-
The only reason I put a "minus" here is my one misgiving about Sessions' fit into the Lakers' offense. He's a slashing, pick-and-roll point guard who needs the ball in his hands; spacing the floor for Kobe isn't really his thing. He'll likely be at his best when Bryant is off the floor, as the catalyst for the second unit.

With that said, Sessions is such a huge upgrade on the Lakers' current point guard mess it's not even funny, and it will likely take much of the strain off their three stars to play 40 minutes a game and take all the shots.

Defensively, he's kind of a sieve, and so he won't cure the vulnerability to quick point guards that has bedeviled the Lakers for years. But he's a good rebounder and, again, his ability to create off the dribble gives them a dimension that was badly lacking.

Sessions is also a free agent after the season, potentially; he has an opt-out in his contract. The nice thing about being the Lakers, however, is that nobody is a flight risk. If the Lakers want to keep him, they almost certainly can.


March 15: Grizzlies trade Sam Young to Philadelphia
Grizzlies trade Sam Young to Philadelphia for rights to Ricky Sanchez.

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Memphis: C-
While championship fortunes do not hinge on the likes of Sam Young, the Grizzlies wouldn't have had to give him away if they had just planned their cap a bit better. Instead, they were $612,101 over the line and had to dump Young on the Sixers to get under it. Young wasn't playing and wasn't really happy about it, so I don't want to oversell the impact, but he still had some value for depth purposes. The rights to Sanchez are worthless and included only because the league mandates both sides must give up something in a trade; this was a straight salary dump.


Philadelphia: B+
A free player! You can't argue with that. Philly used its trade exception from its earlier deal for Marreese Speights to get Young and cement its wing depth. He's not a great fit because he's a poor long-range shooter, plus his physical, one-on-one style doesn't mesh well with Philly's pass-cut-jumper, don't-ever-turn-it-over approach. Still, it's tough to beat free, and he's a restricted free agent who could have some sign-and-trade value this summer.


March 15: Raptors trade Leandro Barbosa to Indiana
Raptors trade Leandro Barbosa to Indiana for a second-round pick.

Indiana: B
I'm not crazy about Barbosa in Indy, because he's another blind gunner on a team that already has too many of them. But I can see the logic here, too. It's another beggars-can't-be-choosers deal, as the Pacers basically use their cap space to get a free player. In fact, Indiana was below the league minimum and was either going to be paying Barbosa or giving the money to all the other players on the roster to make up the difference.

He'll upgrade their backup shooting guard spot too, as Lance Stephenson has been a failure and Dahntay Jones up and down. He's an expiring deal and I'll be shocked if Indy keeps him beyond this season, but as a rental shooting guard, this was about as good as they could hope for.


Toronto: B
You knew Barbosa wasn't long for Toronto when it used Gary Forbes as the backup point guard against Cleveland two nights ago. The Raps unload their financial obligation for the rest of this season, open more minutes for the likes of Forbes and Jerryd Bayless in the backcourt, and can start seeing how everyone meshes with the recently returned Andrea Bargnani heading into this summer. We don't know the details on the pick but at best it will be in the 50 range, so that part has limited value at best.

ApNeDtRiEeW
03-16-2012, 09:27 AM
Will he be playing tonight?

Sandman21
03-16-2012, 09:32 AM
Will he be playing tonight?

We probably won't see him until Tuesday night.

xtacy
03-16-2012, 10:55 AM
Kaman wasnt there fir the same price. If he was he would have been trades yesterday.

posts like this make me wish there was a million thanks button.

i wanted kaman too but it didn't happen so it's time to move on. i've always liked barbosa as a player. he is a good addition to the team.

HOOPFANATIC
03-16-2012, 10:59 AM
Welcome to the Blur!

Bird and I were definitely on the same page on this one.
6-3 6-10 wingspan He's not called the blur because of his jumper.

McKeyFan
03-16-2012, 11:01 AM
I'm not crazy about Barbosa in Indy, because he's another blind gunner on a team that already has too many of them.

I disagree.

He's not another blind gunner. Unlike the others, he can see pretty decently.

Unlike the others, he hits at a high efficiency rate.

Unlike the others, he has a better ability to create his own shot.

This is not a rehash of AJ, Collison, Tyler, DJ, or even our "semi-blind gunners" Granger and Hill.

PGisthefuture
03-16-2012, 11:02 AM
We probably won't see him until Tuesday night.

I thought Mike Wells said we could see him by Sunday?

Hicks
03-16-2012, 11:07 AM
I thought Mike Wells said we could see him by Sunday?

Right, and we don't play a game on Sunday or Monday.

PGisthefuture
03-16-2012, 11:24 AM
Right, and we don't play a game on Sunday or Monday.

Oh maybe he said that's the soonest he could arrive in Indy. I didn't look at the schedule or anything obviously lol...