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Peck
03-14-2012, 03:11 AM
What the hell happened to the Blazers? At one point in time I wanted to yell out ďdidnít you use to be LaMarcus AldridgeĒ. Iíve only seen Troy Murphy & Al Jefferson (when he was with Min.) ever appear that disinterested in defense. Also I kept checking the sidelines to see if maybe Portland had changed coaches without my knowledge but since I didnít see two tones of hair color I had to admit that maybe McMillan had just lost his mind and decided that playing the 6í8Ē Gerald Wallace against David West & Tyler Hansbrough instead of Pryzbilla at center with Aldridge at the four.

Sucks for them, great for us.

Hey at least it stopped the bleeding. No, this doesnít make up for the recent play and no I do not think that we have turned the corner because it is obvious that Portland has issues. But their issues arenít our problem, we can only play the best we can and in this case it was far more than enough to crush them. This is one of those games where we can say the final score was not indicative of the competitive nature of the game. In other words there was no competitive nature to this game and it was truly a case of us putting the hammer down, which is a good thing btw.

Lots of good play tonight from our side and the really good thing is that our bench was so superb that our starters played almost half of what they are used to. Heck Danny didnít even play 18 min. some of that was early foul trouble but most of it was because frankly we didnít need him.

Obviously Lou was out of this world good and we will certainly talk about him but I think that both Danny & Paul set the tone early in the game. Danny hit the boards and Paul with his defense and both hitting some shots. Of course thanks to some terrific officiating (sarcasm plainly in place here for those who didnít see the game) both were out of the game early in the 1st quarter. Never fear here comes George Hill to save the day.

George just flat out moved the ball and hit some shots, the entire team changed when he came in. Iíll tie him into Lou here by pointing out that early on he made two quick passes that led to two quick Amundson buckets.

Really everybody that played tonight played well. Heck A.J. Price didnít score a single point but dished out 6 assist, one more than the entire Portland team.

We really needed this win but more importantly the big game is tonight. Sadly this will be on ESPN and the reason this is sad is because the fieldhouse will look very barren when it is on TV. But with recent play itís hard to yell at people for not coming, letís hope that we can get a big win and really start to turn this around.

Tonight we are just going to do the good the bad & the ugly.

The Good:

Lou Amundson: Much like Visa he was everywhere you wanted him to be. When Lou Amundson comes in and drops 21 points on your team you know it is going to be a long night. He was physical, he was active and at the end of the day he was just the best big man on the court tonight which should shame Aldridge into giving a portion of his paycheck to www.locksoflove.org. I have never understood why people keep thinking that Lou is too small to play backup center. What he lacks in height he more than makes up for in hustle, leverage and strength.

George Hill: I say this on behalf of all Pacers fans. Please George for the love of God stop getting injured. I know itís not his fault but damn does our team ever change when he plays. When he plays like this, other than Roy or Danny, he changes the complexion of our team totally. However he filled his entire season quota of missed free throws in tonightís game. No harm tonight, but Lord that canít happen very often.

David West: Just systematically destroyed the Blazers interior tonight and just flat out controlled the defensive boards when he played. What I loved the most though was that he took his shots to the rim and did not settle for jumpers. In fact our entire team was attacking the rim all game long for their shots.

Tyler Hansbrough: Here is what I liked about him tonight. He played hard defense for the majority of the time he was out there. Aldridge tried to move him and more often than not could not and one time he just flat out picked him clean for a steal. I believe every single rebound he had came in the second half so that is kind of impressive. I know I wasnít real thrilled when I saw him toward the end 2nd quarter with no rebounds, but he started grabbing them in the second half. That is the one thing I really wish Tyler would understand. If your shot is not going, which there are just nightís that it is not going to go, you can do several other things to help the team. Tonight he did those little things and it paid off.

The Bad:

Portland had 5 (yes five) assists in the entire game. That is and NBA season low.

Until the end of the game when they hit about 4 shots in the last 3 min. we actually had them held below NBA history low of 18 field goals, but thanks to garbage time they got to 20. Still that is quite an accomplishment for both teams. Good for the Pacers defense and horrid for the Blazers offense. But then again when you shoot 22 three point shots and only hit 5 that will tend to happen.

I do not like to blame referees very often. Usually itís just wrong because more often than not they are right far more than they are wrong. But my God that crew as brutal. Eli Roe is now going to take the Bennett Salvatore Memorial Worst Official in the NBA award. Hands down this guy is by far least competent official we have seen all year.

The Ugly:

http://www.mikeverna.com/images/book3/kurt-thomas.jpg

I don't want to down play the importance of the Portland game. It was a good and much needed win.

But I can't tell you how bad we need this Philly game. At the very least we can not come out & suck.

Not a must win game (thanks in part to beating the Blazers) but very much a needed win.

Pacers4Life
03-14-2012, 03:17 AM
I have just the damnedest habit of checking PD right after you post these. Love it. Gotta keep everything is perspective.. We still haven't beat a winning team in a month and Lou is still a 8,9,10 rotational player off the bench. Love what he brings though. Lets shake the trend and beat Philly tomorrow.

Day-V
03-14-2012, 03:38 AM
Peck didn't seem too pleased to be put on the Jumbotron. Did NOT seem happy about it at all!

Will Galen
03-14-2012, 04:30 AM
Peck didn't seem too pleased to be put on the Jumbotron. Did NOT seem happy about it at all!

Kiss cam?

Major Cold
03-14-2012, 08:43 AM
The game did not tell us anything that we have discussed other than we need Hill on the floor.

And who would have thought that our best PnR big man would be Loooooou. That is insanity. Neh it is Lousanity.

AJ was great with Hill as well. I think having him off the ball works better than Stephenson by a long shot.

Hibbert was more controlled in the post. He was patient and deliberate.

I hope tonight is a game winner. I hope we run them out of the gym. But for that to happen Roy and DC have to play great. If not it will be close, even if Hill and AJ are on.




The bad on our team was Jones. I am afraid that the garbage time might convince him to be the be the bulldozing chucker that we all loathe.

Ace E.Anderson
03-14-2012, 09:09 AM
What the hell happened to the Blazers? At one point in time I wanted to yell out ďdidnít you use to be LaMarcus AldridgeĒ. Iíve only seen Troy Murphy & Al Jefferson (when he was with Min.) ever appear that disinterested in defense. Also I kept checking the sidelines to see if maybe Portland had changed coaches without my knowledge but since I didnít see two tones of hair color I had to admit that maybe McMillan had just lost his mind and decided that playing the 6í8Ē Gerald Wallace against David West & Tyler Hansbrough instead of Pryzbilla at center with Aldridge at the four.

Sucks for them, great for us.

Hey at least it stopped the bleeding. No, this doesnít make up for the recent play and no I do not think that we have turned the corner because it is obvious that Portland has issues. But their issues arenít our problem, we can only play the best we can and in this case it was far more than enough to crush them. This is one of those games where we can say the final score was not indicative of the competitive nature of the game. In other words there was no competitive nature to this game and it was truly a case of us putting the hammer down, which is a good thing btw.

Lots of good play tonight from our side and the really good thing is that our bench was so superb that our starters played almost half of what they are used to. Heck Danny didnít even play 18 min. some of that was early foul trouble but most of it was because frankly we didnít need him.

Obviously Lou was out of this world good and we will certainly talk about him but I think that both Danny & Paul set the tone early in the game. Danny hit the boards and Paul with his defense and both hitting some shots. Of course thanks to some terrific officiating (sarcasm plainly in place here for those who didnít see the game) both were out of the game early in the 1st quarter. Never fear here comes George Hill to save the day.

George just flat out moved the ball and hit some shots, the entire team changed when he came in. Iíll tie him into Lou here by pointing out that early on he made two quick passes that led to two quick Amundson buckets.

Really everybody that played tonight played well. Heck A.J. Price didnít score a single point but dished out 6 assist, one more than the entire Portland team.

We really needed this win but more importantly the big game is tonight. Sadly this will be on ESPN and the reason this is sad is because the fieldhouse will look very barren when it is on TV. But with recent play itís hard to yell at people for not coming, letís hope that we can get a big win and really start to turn this around.

Tonight we are just going to do the good the bad & the ugly.

The Good:

Lou Amundson: Much like Visa he was everywhere you wanted him to be. When Lou Amundson comes in and drops 21 points on your team you know it is going to be a long night. He was physical, he was active and at the end of the day he was just the best big man on the court tonight which should shame Aldridge into giving a portion of his paycheck to www.locksoflove.org. I have never understood why people keep thinking that Lou is too small to play backup center. What he lacks in height he more than makes up for in hustle, leverage and strength.

George Hill: I say this on behalf of all Pacers fans. Please George for the love of God stop getting injured. I know itís not his fault but damn does our team ever change when he plays. When he plays like this, other than Roy or Danny, he changes the complexion of our team totally. However he filled his entire season quota of missed free throws in tonightís game. No harm tonight, but Lord that canít happen very often.

David West: Just systematically destroyed the Blazers interior tonight and just flat out controlled the defensive boards when he played. What I loved the most though was that he took his shots to the rim and did not settle for jumpers. In fact our entire team was attacking the rim all game long for their shots.

Tyler Hansbrough: Here is what I liked about him tonight. He played hard defense for the majority of the time he was out there. Aldridge tried to move him and more often than not could not and one time he just flat out picked him clean for a steal. I believe every single rebound he had came in the second half so that is kind of impressive. I know I wasnít real thrilled when I saw him toward the end 2nd quarter with no rebounds, but he started grabbing them in the second half. That is the one thing I really wish Tyler would understand. If your shot is not going, which there are just nightís that it is not going to go, you can do several other things to help the team. Tonight he did those little things and it paid off.

The Bad:

Portland had 5 (yes five) assists in the entire game. That is and NBA season low.

Until the end of the game when they hit about 4 shots in the last 3 min. we actually had them held below NBA history low of 18 field goals, but thanks to garbage time they got to 20. Still that is quite an accomplishment for both teams. Good for the Pacers defense and horrid for the Blazers offense. But then again when you shoot 22 three point shots and only hit 5 that will tend to happen.

I do not like to blame referees very often. Usually itís just wrong because more often than not they are right far more than they are wrong. But my God that crew as brutal. Eli Roe is now going to take the Bennett Salvatore Memorial Worst Official in the NBA award. Hands down this guy is by far least competent official we have seen all year.

The Ugly:

http://www.mikeverna.com/images/book3/kurt-thomas.jpg

I don't want to down play the importance of the Portland game. It was a good and much needed win.

But I can't tell you how bad we need this Philly game. At the very least we can not come out & suck.

Not a must win game (thanks in part to beating the Blazers) but very much a needed win.


Even though he is merely our 6th man, and averages 9 points a game, could George Hill be the most important player in our back court right now? (And aside from Roy, the most important player on our team?)

Our record when he plays is 18-7. A lot of our early season victories against plus .500 teams(ATL, BOS x's2, ORL, LAL, CHI) occurred when Hill was healthy.

The 6-9 record when he doesn't play, isn't too revealing. But when you look closer, the team was 17-7 before he got hurt and then went on 1-5 RIGHT AFTER HIS INJURY (with the 1 game being against NJ). We then go 5-2 when he returns, lose 2 in a row when he injures his shoulder, and then blow out the Blazers upon his return last night.

I'm not saying having a healthy G.Hill is the saving point of our season, but we are OBVIOUSLY a different team when he plays, and when he doesn't.

vnzla81
03-14-2012, 09:23 AM
What the hell happened to the Blazers?

I really hope we are not asking this same question about the Pacers in few years, remember when the Trailblazers future was bright? this is what I'm afraid of, standing pat and waiting for the young players to develop to find out at the end that a lot of those players with bright futures were just regular NBA journeymen.

Major Cold
03-14-2012, 09:30 AM
I really hope we are not asking this same question about the Pacers in few years, remember when the Trailblazers future was bright? this is what I'm afraid of, standing pat and waiting for the young players to develop to find out at the end that a lot of those players with bright futures were just regular NBA journeymen.

I see no similarity between the two. None what so ever.

The Blazers had many top 10 draft picks get injured. We have had one drafted in the top 10.

The Blazers traded for veterans with large contracts like Camby and Wallace. We have traded for Lou and Hill.

If we are 2 games under .500 in threes years it will be because Paul plateaus, Danny is traded for a player that does not resign, we fail to resign Hibbert or sign an equivalent defensive big man, Hill walks, Tyler busts, DC maintains, Lance shoots Barney from HIMYM, and West blows out his knee.

I just don't see us plummeting because two franchise players have career ending knee problems. Paul and Hibbert having injuries that end this......I doubt both.

IF you think that all of our core players are journeymen (ala Jamal Crawford) then you should be scared.

xBulletproof
03-14-2012, 09:31 AM
I would just like to mention that since the All Star break Paul George is playing less minutes, but still averaging more points (14.1) per game on better shooting (48%), and here's the killer, he's averaging 3.4 steals per game in 29 minutes. He's also averaging less than 1 turnover per game since the AS break.

How ridiculous is that 3.4 steals in 29 minutes? If this confident and sure of himself Paul George is the one we get next year with improved handles, look out. His handles have improved by just playing with confidence. In fact, he now has more steals than turnovers on the year, and is 9th in the NBA in steals per game.

He's the only guy we should be telling other teams to keep his name out of their mouths at the trade deadline, because it isn't happening.

Hibbert
03-14-2012, 09:46 AM
Coach Nate is going to get fired today or tomorrow.

Nuntius
03-14-2012, 09:55 AM
I feel bad for the Blazers fans.

That's their overal mood in their RealGM boards:



We've become the team that other teams use to feel good about themselves again.



I just got home glanced at the boxscore :(

One has to feel bad for a group of fans who support a team that's so unlucky with injuries. Sure, the Felton signing was not the best idea but they are so riddled with injuries that you cannot do anything than feel bad for them and their fanbase :(

imbtyler
03-14-2012, 10:16 AM
I see no similarity between the two. None what so ever.

The Blazers had many top 10 draft picks get injured. We have had one drafted in the top 10.

The Blazers traded for veterans with large contracts like Camby and Wallace. We have traded for Lou and Hill.

If we are 2 games under .500 in threes years it will be because Paul plateaus, Danny is traded for a player that does not resign, we fail to resign Hibbert or sign an equivalent defensive big man, Hill walks, Tyler busts, DC maintains, Lance shoots Barney from HIMYM, and West blows out his knee.

I just don't see us plummeting because two franchise players have career ending knee problems. Paul and Hibbert having injuries that end this......I doubt both.

IF you think that all of our core players are journeymen (ala Jamal Crawford) then you should be scared.

What does Barney Stinson have to do with anything??

Major Cold
03-14-2012, 10:37 AM
What does Barney Stinson have to do with anything??

shameless plug....btw community is back tomorrow.

ASkin_ANight
03-14-2012, 10:59 AM
shameless plug....btw community is back tomorrow.
CAN'T WAIT! Although so far this season has been pretty average, excluding that excellent timelines episode.

Sookie
03-14-2012, 11:43 AM
AJ was great with Hill as well. I think having him off the ball works better than Stephenson by a long shot.



Wells said Hill's preference is to play shooting guard next to Price. I didn't know whether Well's put in the "next to Price" or whether Well's came up with it. But I do think it's pretty obvious that they enjoy playing next to each other, and play well next to each other.

I think they help each other out. With AJ on the floor, Hill doesn't have to worry about running an offense, and with Hill on the floor, AJ doesn't have to worry about scoring, he can just run the offense. I think there's some pressure taken off of both of them.

ECKrueger
03-14-2012, 11:51 AM
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x158/eckrueger/photo-18.jpg

Naptown_Seth
03-14-2012, 11:55 AM
Hey at least it stopped the bleeding. No, this doesn’t make up for the recent play and no I do not think that we have turned the corner because it is obvious that Portland has issues
Peck, your problem is that you don't realize how bad the other teams are. You saw a tough loss to Miami and Atlanta paired with bad losses to ORL and CHI (although really that was just the 3rd quarter) and assumed that teams like MIL, PHI, or POR were performing better in those same stretches.

They aren't.

POR was on game 4 of a 7 game road trip, which I pointed out in the thread about the "tough stretch" we were about to face. Remember that, how Wells acted like POR or PHI were good road teams or that the Knicks would even be .500 by the time Indy saw them.

These teams have problems and have records hidden behind easier schedules. You see them slip into tougher stretches while the Pacers hit an easier patch and suddenly they stop looking as good as the Pacers.


PHI has been a BAD ROAD TEAM. NYK is a complete mess with Melo playing (and with a tougher schedule than Lin saw).


The overreaction to losing to ORL the night after going to overtime vs MIA and blowing a late 4th and OT lead vs them is ridiculous. Philly wouldn't even get to OT vs MIA or ORL, let alone on the 2nd night of a B2B road trip.

POR's total road disaster was prevented only by getting 1 game vs the Wiz in the middle.

wintermute
03-14-2012, 11:58 AM
I really hope we are not asking this same question about the Pacers in few years, remember when the Trailblazers future was bright? this is what I'm afraid of, standing pat and waiting for the young players to develop to find out at the end that a lot of those players with bright futures were just regular NBA journeymen.

I see more danger of us becoming the Hawks - a good, perennial playoff team that can never quite manage to take the next step.

Our guys our mostly high floor, middling upside prospects - guys who'll make good vets in time but probably aren't going to be difference makers. The exceptions are Paul G, and maybe Lance, so our hopes lie in their development. Otherwise we'll have to try to hit a homerun in trade or FA.

Peck
03-14-2012, 12:02 PM
Peck, your problem is that you don't realize how bad the other teams are. You saw a tough loss to Miami and Atlanta paired with bad losses to ORL and CHI (although really that was just the 3rd quarter) and assumed that teams like MIL, PHI, or POR were performing better in those same stretches.

They aren't.

POR was on game 4 of a 7 game road trip, which I pointed out in the thread about the "tough stretch" we were about to face. Remember that, how Wells acted like POR or PHI were good road teams or that the Knicks would even be .500 by the time Indy saw them.

These teams have problems and have records hidden behind easier schedules. You see them slip into tougher stretches while the Pacers hit an easier patch and suddenly they stop looking as good as the Pacers.


PHI has been a BAD ROAD TEAM. NYK is a complete mess with Melo playing (and with a tougher schedule than Lin saw).


The overreaction to losing to ORL the night after going to overtime vs MIA and blowing a late 4th and OT lead vs them is ridiculous. Philly wouldn't even get to OT vs MIA or ORL, let alone on the 2nd night of a B2B road trip.

POR's total road disaster was prevented only by getting 1 game vs the Wiz in the middle.

Tonights the night.

I'm very proud of the team for not looking past Portland to get to this game, they took care of business.

But tonight really is a statement game. Best case scenario would be we stomp the dog crap out of them, good scenarior we just beat them, not a good scenario but not devastating is we lose a tough fought battle, devistatingly bad would be to lose after trailing the game by double digits all night.

I have no idea what to expect. I know Spencer Hawes is supposed to be back tonight so that will increase their depth.

I'm hoping for a really good game.

Sookie
03-14-2012, 12:25 PM
Also, I hope Frank noticed that West seemed to fit in really well with the bench, and Tyler with the starters.

I'm not saying switch them, but I am saying move their minutes around a bit to make sure that Tyler's minutes are with the starters, and the bench gets West. Pretty much like how he did this game.

Major Cold
03-14-2012, 12:36 PM
Wells said Hill's preference is to play shooting guard next to Price. I didn't know whether Well's put in the "next to Price" or whether Well's came up with it. But I do think it's pretty obvious that they enjoy playing next to each other, and play well next to each other.

I think they help each other out. With AJ on the floor, Hill doesn't have to worry about running an offense, and with Hill on the floor, AJ doesn't have to worry about scoring, he can just run the offense. I think there's some pressure taken off of both of them.

I saw Hill running the offense last night with AJ spotting up on the baseline. Then it would interchange.

But what I saw best was both Hill and AJ orchestrating a perfect transition offense on many occasions.

I was not a fan of AJ before this year. But his defense and steady improvement is winning me.

Kegboy
03-14-2012, 12:58 PM
What does Barney Stinson have to do with anything??

Well at least Lilly would win the "death by murder" bet.

Trader Joe
03-14-2012, 01:26 PM
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x158/eckrueger/photo-18.jpg

This play summed up the night, we wanted it more.

Infinite MAN_force
03-14-2012, 02:48 PM
I really hope we are not asking this same question about the Pacers in few years, remember when the Trailblazers future was bright? this is what I'm afraid of, standing pat and waiting for the young players to develop to find out at the end that a lot of those players with bright futures were just regular NBA journeymen.

What are you talking about? If Brandon Roy and Greg Oden had working knees, that team would be a legit title contender right now. They have to be the unluckiest franchise in NBA history in terms of career ending injuries to key players. There is a difference between guys not developing as planned and guys having career ending injuries.

vnzla81
03-14-2012, 02:53 PM
What are you talking about? If Brandon Roy and Greg Oden had working knees, that team would be a legit title contender right now. They have to be the unluckiest franchise in NBA history in terms of career ending injuries to key players. There is a difference between guys not developing as planned and guys having career ending injuries.

You call it unlucky I call it bad decision making, Broy and Oden had red flags all over their knees before they got in the NBA, they knew what they were doing.

Trader Joe
03-14-2012, 03:00 PM
Oden didn't have red flags about his knees. He had injury issues, but they were focused elsewhere. Roy did have knee issues, but they were similar to the same issues that knocked Granger down to 17th. Stuff like that is a crap shoot.

Major Cold
03-14-2012, 03:03 PM
You call it unlucky I call it bad decision making, Broy and Oden had red flags all over their knees before they got in the NBA, they knew what they were doing.

Which still does not validate your analogy. If the Pacers fail due to under development then they are not comparative to a team that was hampered with injuries.

Infinite MAN_force
03-14-2012, 03:12 PM
You call it unlucky I call it bad decision making, Broy and Oden had red flags all over their knees before they got in the NBA, they knew what they were doing.

Even if that were true, its still a lot different than "waiting on young players to develop who turn into Journeymen". The Atlanta Hawks scenario is a better comparison.

vnzla81
03-14-2012, 03:37 PM
Even if that were true, its still a lot different than "waiting on young players to develop who turn into Journeymen". The Atlanta Hawks scenario is a better comparison.

Yeah to me Atlanta, Portland, Philly and the "baby Bulls" were or are in the same boat.

vnzla81
03-14-2012, 03:39 PM
Oden didn't have red flags about his knees. He had injury issues, but they were focused elsewhere. Roy did have knee issues, but they were similar to the same issues that knocked Granger down to 17th. Stuff like that is a crap shoot.

I remember posting some articles were doctors knew about Greg's issues before the draft but Portland just ignored them, the same thing happened with Broy, either way I don't have time to look for that because I'm busy with the trade rumors :D

Major Cold
03-14-2012, 04:28 PM
Yeah to me Atlanta, Portland, Philly and the "baby Bulls" were or are in the same boat.

Defining personal definitions is only relevant to you, ya know.

naptownmenace
03-14-2012, 04:41 PM
I see more danger of us becoming the Hawks - a good, perennial playoff team that can never quite manage to take the next step.

Our guys our mostly high floor, middling upside prospects - guys who'll make good vets in time but probably aren't going to be difference makers. The exceptions are Paul G, and maybe Lance, so our hopes lie in their development. Otherwise we'll have to try to hit a homerun in trade or FA.

I thanked you for this post but I think you can scratch Lance off your list. I think when it's all said and done, Flip Murray will have had a better career and impact with the Pacers than Lance Stephenson.

I remember comparing the Pacers to the Hawks last year after their 36 win + good playoff performance last year. It was a lot like when the 36-win Hawks took Boston to 7 games in the first round of the 2008 playoffs, IIRC. The similarities between their squad and the Pacers are plenty. The Hawks aren't done but they made a major mistake in giving Marvin Williams that ridiculous contract. As long as the Pacers continue to make smart financial decisions, their ceiling is much higher than the Hawks.