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vnzla81
03-10-2012, 10:28 PM
Good game for the guys today, too bad we couldn't finish it :(


Go Pacers :dance:

PacerPenguins
03-10-2012, 10:31 PM
Dahntay Jones:


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gummy
03-10-2012, 10:32 PM
:(

I'm glad we looked like a good NBA team out there against the Heat. Our defense looked more like it did at the beginning of the season, which was a welcome sight. Just too many mistakes in the end. We need to get our rebounding mojo back.

:(

AesopRockOn
03-10-2012, 10:32 PM
One of our best games of the season and one of the better ones in the NBA I've seen this year. Would have been an amazing win.

Lance George
03-10-2012, 10:33 PM
Bittersweet. We proved we can hang with arguably the best team in the world on their homecourt, but to come so close to victory and end up with the L sure does suck. Maybe this three-game losing streak will add motivation to get a big acquisition at the deadline.

vnzla81
03-10-2012, 10:33 PM
By they way I'm also sorry for saying that Lechoke was going to choke and he didn't, this lost is on me :D

TheDon
03-10-2012, 10:34 PM
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110125062148/uncyclopedia/images/c/ce/Reggie-miller-choke.jpg

focused444
03-10-2012, 10:34 PM
I wanted to see if they could hang with the heat (as in not get blown out again.) Tonight they showed they can. Wanted the W, but this isn't the worst thing that could of happened.

gummy
03-10-2012, 10:35 PM
By they way I'm also sorry for saying that Lechoke was going to choke and he didn't, this lost is on me :D

Yeah, that was a big time jinx you put on us there. ;)

:banghead:

Sookie
03-10-2012, 10:35 PM
Please no scapegoats tonight. From what I could tell, everyone did positive things and played well, and it seems like everyone made mistakes too.

I loved seeing the heart from this team, and I hope they don't get dejected from this loss and lose tomorrow. Get angry and kill Orlando.

The Pacers deserved to win this one. But that happens when you play Lebron and Wade..Reason #1535 on why I hate the Heat. (Okay, more like reason number 1...but I bet I could think of 1535 reasons for why I hate them..)

jeffg-body
03-10-2012, 10:35 PM
We missed GH tonight.

AesopRockOn
03-10-2012, 10:36 PM
http://i.imgur.com/FT9zq.png
http://i.imgur.com/UKC7y.png

Though those two dumb plays killed us, DJ played great D on Lebron and hit two big threes.

PacerPenguins
03-10-2012, 10:36 PM
Vnzla83
By they way I'm also sorry for saying that Lechoke was going to choke and he didn't, this lost is on me
...

<img src="http://t.qkme.me/35ayav.jpg" />

Pacer Fan
03-10-2012, 10:36 PM
Tough Loss, At least the team knows they do belong with the best! They will grow from this.

ksuttonjr76
03-10-2012, 10:36 PM
We need a true point guard. Darren does a horrible job of seeing the floor. I'm not basing this on that final play. During the game, he missed too many open players.

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MiaDragon
03-10-2012, 10:36 PM
:thumbsdow to the moral victory crowd. Just another notch in the loss column. We have to better the team if we have any real hope of not being pushed out in the 1st round. I really hope we can make the team better THIS season.

BringJackBack
03-10-2012, 10:36 PM
We need a point guard.

sobleski
03-10-2012, 10:37 PM
Please no scapegoats tonight. From what I could tell, everyone did positive things and played well, and it seems like everyone made mistakes too.

I loved seeing the heart from this team, and I hope they don't get dejected from this loss and lose tomorrow. Get angry and kill Orlando.

The Pacers deserved to win this one. But that happens when you play Lebron and Wade..Reason #1535 on why I hate the Heat. (Okay, more like reason number 1...but I bet I could think of 1535 reasons for why I hate them..)

Not really a scapegoat but I was disapointed with Hibbert tonight. If he plays a decent game we win by 10 points.

smartfai
03-10-2012, 10:37 PM
Heartbreaking lost!
Our defense was not good in the 4th qtr and OT

Mr_Smith
03-10-2012, 10:38 PM
I would rather them get blown the f**k out. This loss hurts more especially when you're up 4 near the end of the fourth and up 5 near the end of overtime.

ksuttonjr76
03-10-2012, 10:39 PM
Honestly, I was really surprised that he made those two mistakes. He's been mostly solid for the season thus far.

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PacerFreak31
03-10-2012, 10:39 PM
Vogel leaving Jones in the game as long as he did lost us this game.

vnzla81
03-10-2012, 10:39 PM
By the way the small positive side I have inside me ;) makes me say that looking at it from the positive side, that at least we didn't lose by 20 not bad :sunshine:

smartfai
03-10-2012, 10:39 PM
Our weakest positions are point guard and centre
Hibbert had hidden during the last 3 games, no longer dominate in the post
I rather start Lou instead of Roy

We need Nash and Kaman

Sookie
03-10-2012, 10:40 PM
Vogel leaving Jones in the game as long as he did lost us this game.

what was he supposed to do? PG got himself in foul trouble. You wanna play AJ and DC at the same time?

PG was fantastic tonight, btw. When that kid gets consistent...

Bball
03-10-2012, 10:41 PM
No poise in crunch time.

ColeTheMole
03-10-2012, 10:42 PM
STOP blaming this whole thing on DJ. He kept us in the game with his defense and offense (usually can't say that). Two mistakes that didn't directly cause the end of the game are enough to excuse. Other players besides DJ still played that game.

threein73
03-10-2012, 10:43 PM
this one hurts... just calling a time out when up 5 in ot at mid court could have secured the win..

gummy
03-10-2012, 10:43 PM
Our weakest positions are point guard and centre
Hibbert had hidden during the last 3 games, no longer dominate in the post
I rather start Lou instead of Roy

We need Nash and Kaman

Wooooow.

Roy hasn't been good in several games now. But you want to START Lou?

Lou has grown on me a lot, but starting him at center...wow, again. That's not a long-term solution and not even a good short-term one, imo. You don't bench your only true center because he's in a rough patch.

Pacergeek
03-10-2012, 10:43 PM
Again we got no help from the officials. Lebron and Wade got all the calls

BlueNGold
03-10-2012, 10:43 PM
The only positive thing I can say is that DWade is now 30 years old and should start slowing down in a couple years. In the meantime, he's going to own us.

Seriously, I cannot wait until his game starts falling because that will be the end of Miami. LeBron's already proven he can't do it alone.

MiaDragon
03-10-2012, 10:43 PM
Not really a scapegoat but I was disapointed with Hibbert tonight. If he plays a decent game we win by 10 points.

Hibberts last 4 games

4pts, 2pts, 13pts and 5pts for a whopping total of 24 (btw Lou has 23 in a fraction of the minutes)

ot anyone know why the NBA still thinks Lou plays for GS?

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/louis_amundson/

Bball
03-10-2012, 10:45 PM
Massive fail for Hibbert's agent. I bet he'd give anything to take a mulligan on that plan to not go for the extension and gamble Roy's All-Star play would carry thru the season.

It was being argued Roy might be looking at the max. Instead, it could be argued the Pacers might not be all that interested in keeping him... The half season swoon is getting a little old.

PacerFreak31
03-10-2012, 10:46 PM
what was he supposed to do? PG got himself in foul trouble. You wanna play AJ and DC at the same time?

I would rather have PG in there and take my chance with 5 fouls than Jones trying to act like he is Lebron. Would had been a good learning experience for PG because if you think his is the last time PG will be in foul trouble your kidding yourself. PG needs to know how to play while in foul trouble especially when the playoffs come around.

Hypnotiq
03-10-2012, 10:49 PM
Massive fail for Hibbert's agent. I bet he'd give anything to take a mulligan on that plan to not go for the extension and gamble Roy's All-Star play would carry thru the season.

It was being argued Roy might be looking at the max. Instead, it could be argued the Pacers might not be all that interested in keeping him... The half season swoon is getting a little old.

if its the max i would hope we dont match

Hicks
03-10-2012, 10:49 PM
No poise in crunch time.

Overstated.

Sookie
03-10-2012, 10:50 PM
I would rather have PG in there and take my chance with 5 fouls than Jones trying to act like he is Lebron. Would had been a good learning experience for PG because if you think his is the last time PG will be in foul trouble your kidding yourself. PG needs to know how to play while in foul trouble especially when the playoffs come around.

And if PG fouls out? Then we play Jones and whine about Vogel taking a chance with a young player.

ejwallace
03-10-2012, 10:50 PM
I would rather have PG in there and take my chance with 5 fouls than Jones trying to act like he is Lebron. Would had been a good learning experience for PG because if you think his is the last time PG will be in foul trouble your kidding yourself. PG needs to know how to play while in foul trouble especially when the playoffs come around.

And Lebron is good enough to get a cheap foul called against PG, and we don't have him for the next 5 minutes in OT....

Hicks
03-10-2012, 10:50 PM
STOP blaming this whole thing on DJ. He kept us in the game with his defense and offense (usually can't say that). Two mistakes that didn't directly cause the end of the game are enough to excuse. Other players besides DJ still played that game.

I get what you're saying, but when you make a boneheaded turnover like that in a moment where you can theoretically ice the game, you deserve as much of the blame for the loss as does a guy deserve as much of the credit for the win when he hits the go-ahead jumper with 0.7 seconds left (like a lot of Reggie shots were).

With that said, it was the right call to have him in there; he deserved it. He just blew his late opportunity with that play.

Hicks
03-10-2012, 10:51 PM
Again we got no help from the officials. Lebron and Wade got all the calls

Well, not all, but I was disgusted on a handful or so of occasions tonight. Pampered *****es.

graphic-er
03-10-2012, 10:52 PM
Can anyone explain why the Refs did not adjust the game clock for our final play? Usually in the final seconds of a game, they will always review during a time out and adjust the game clock. I can't believe somebody from the scorers table did not pipe up about it.

Hicks
03-10-2012, 10:52 PM
It was being argued Roy might be looking at the max. Instead, it could be argued the Pacers might not be all that interested in keeping him...

There isn't a :rollout: icon big enough for the last bit of that...

Peck
03-10-2012, 10:53 PM
I get what you're saying, but when you make a boneheaded turnover like that in a moment where you can theoretically ice the game, you deserve as much of the blame for the loss as does a guy deserve as much of the credit for the win when he hits the go-ahead jumper with 0.7 seconds left (like a lot of Reggie shots were).

I wish it was just a bonehead turn over, that wouldn't have been so bad. But the zero hope of stoping the shot foul a few seconds later to give LeBron the and 1 was the real killer. He was responsible for 5 points in less than 15 seconds.

Sookie
03-10-2012, 10:53 PM
Can anyone explain why the Refs did not adjust the game clock for our final play? Usually in the final seconds of a game, they will always review during a time out and adjust the game clock. I can't believe somebody from the scorers table did not pipe up about it.

Because we were playing the Heat. In Miami. (not that they would have checked in Indiana.)

Hicks
03-10-2012, 10:54 PM
By the way, this game just reinforces all over again the point that so long as Darren Collison is our point guard, he needs to be encouraged to score because that's all he's (mostly) good for.

Nuntius
03-10-2012, 10:56 PM
The loss was indeed heartbreaking. Second close, heartbreaking loss tonight for the teams I support (the other happened in the Greek Cup Finals earlier today).

However, SCREW IT!

The guys played a heck of a game. I'm not going to get down by this. They did what I asked. They played good and tough. They showed intensity. They played like a real team. That's what I wanna see.

So, I don't care that we lost. It hurts but screw it. The team came out and played tonight and I'm proud of them.

Suaveness
03-10-2012, 10:57 PM
Why is nobody talking about all the free throws we missed? Forget the other mistakes, make your damn FTs and this doesn't matter. Our FT shooting has gotten horrendous.

vnzla81
03-10-2012, 10:57 PM
By the way, this game just reinforces all over again the point that so long as Darren Collison is our point guard, he needs to be encouraged to score because that's all his (mostly) good for.

Welcome to my bandwagon :) yep like I've been saying forever he could be nice off the bench but he is not a good starter or finisher.

rock747
03-10-2012, 10:58 PM
We have Miami one more time correct? Hopefully they come out with the same energy they did tonight in that game. Has George Hill even played when we have played Miami?

Nuntius
03-10-2012, 10:59 PM
Overstated.

Overstated and also untrue. We've still won 63.6% of our close games and that's good for the 6th place in the league.

Sookie
03-10-2012, 11:00 PM
By the way, this game just reinforces all over again the point that so long as Darren Collison is our point guard, he needs to be encouraged to score because that's all his (mostly) good for.

yea, that's his strength. And he (and our team) play better when he's doing that.

Score first point guards aren't the worst thing in the world though.

MiaDragon
03-10-2012, 11:00 PM
There isn't a :rollout: icon big enough for the last bit of that...

LMAO I agree but when will he stop living off his 1st half of the season. His Houdini disappearing act is getting old.

Nuntius
03-10-2012, 11:01 PM
Why is nobody talking about all the free throws we missed? Forget the other mistakes, make your damn FTs and this doesn't matter. Our FT shooting has gotten horrendous.

That's a good point indeed. If we have hit 80% of our FTs on our last 2 games we would have won them both.

MiaDragon
03-10-2012, 11:02 PM
The loss was indeed heartbreaking. Second close, heartbreaking loss tonight for the teams I support (the other happened in the Greek Cup Finals earlier today).

However, SCREW IT!

The guys played a heck of a game. I'm not going to get down by this. They did what I asked. They played good and tough. They showed intensity. They played like a real team. That's what I wanna see.

So, I don't care that we lost. It hurts but screw it. The team came out and played tonight and I'm proud of them.

you're all about screwing it tonight huh?

vnzla81
03-10-2012, 11:02 PM
yea, that's his strength. And he (and our team) play better when he's doing that.

Score first point guards aren't the worst thing in the world though.

It's is when you have a team full of players that need somebody else to create for them.

PacerPenguins
03-10-2012, 11:03 PM
i don't see y everyone hates on DC when Roy is playing like this.... Roy should be getting bashed not DC

spazzxb
03-10-2012, 11:04 PM
what was he supposed to do? PG got himself in foul trouble. You wanna play AJ and DC at the same time?

PG was fantastic tonight, btw. When that kid gets consistent...

There is another player on this team who had a positive +/- who would have been a better option than AJ. Aside from two boneheaded plays at the end of regulation and the consecutive fouls on Lebron, DJ had been playing pretty well. He shouldn't have been the one bringing the ball up the court, but I can't complain about him being on the floor.

Nuntius
03-10-2012, 11:05 PM
you're all about screwing it tonight huh?

Let's just say that it's one of these weird days :p

MiaDragon
03-10-2012, 11:05 PM
i don't see y everyone hates on DC when Roy is playing like this.... Roy should be getting bashed not DC

DC deserves what he's getting and I don't think Roy is escaping the angry mob either.

ejwallace
03-10-2012, 11:11 PM
By the way, this game just reinforces all over again the point that so long as Darren Collison is our point guard, he needs to be encouraged to score because that's all his (mostly) good for.

Look at the stats from tonights game....DC had a better FG% than all but 2 players....On of who was Lou who took 3 shots, and the other was PG who was noticeably absent for much of the game due to his foul trouble. If he's hitting shots, why not let him hit them??? The rest of our team seemed to be struggling....

Ace E.Anderson
03-10-2012, 11:12 PM
I'm not sure how to take this loss. One one hand, I'm glad we hung with the best team in the league, nd looked more like the smash mouth team we were supposed to be. On the other hand, if it not for the few stupid plays by d jones and dc, we should have won. Sigh, 0-3 so far during this 8 game stretch. Hopefully we bring this intensity to Orlando tomorrow.

Also, I'm starting to like Lou more and more..mini Jeff foster

Sookie
03-10-2012, 11:13 PM
There is another player on this team who had a positive +/- who would have been a better option than AJ. Aside from two boneheaded plays at the end of regulation and the consecutive fouls on Lebron, DJ had been playing pretty well. He shouldn't have been the one bringing the ball up the court, but I can't complain about him being on the floor.

I don't think it would have been fair to put Lance in that situation.

We can agree to disagree on whether it would have been good for the team. But in terms of being fair to Lance. Definitely not.

"Yup, Lance, you haven't played for a couple of weeks but why don't you go guard Dwayne Wade late in the game. Oh, and we wouldn't mind if you'd score some too.."

ejwallace
03-10-2012, 11:14 PM
It's is when you have a team full of players that need somebody else to create for them.

So, shouldn't they also be working on figuring out how to create for themselves??

90'sNBARocked
03-10-2012, 11:19 PM
Orlando game is one of the biggest this season. How do we respond to this crushing emotional defeat? Orlands is a good team , but not of the level of Heat/Bulls.

If we come out tomorrow and pllay a solid game and get the win, I will feel good about our chances. If we come out against Orlando lethargic and unmotivated , I will beconcerend that we could go on another long loosing streak


I dont have much bad to say about anything tonight other than Hibbert adn Ty have me worried right now

vnzla81
03-10-2012, 11:19 PM
So, shouldn't they also be working on figuring out how to create for themselves??

We don't have anybody that can create by himself, there is a reason why we are looking to get Crawford and Mayo, when you have a team full of guys that can't create their own shots you need a point guard that's not looking to create his own shot 99% of the time.

Not trashing DC or anything like that but in reality he is a good 2 guard.

xBulletproof
03-10-2012, 11:20 PM
The only thing I'm taking away from this game is that Paul George didn't look scared of Miami's stars this time. Pre-All Star break Paul looked in awe. This Paul George looked different. If you can get by Lebron off the dribble, you can do some things in this league. I even saw Lebron change his shot at the end of regulation because of Paul. He knew how high Paul could get and he shot it as high as the top of the backboard on a layup and missed. I thought it was going to be a high point game for him until the fouls got in the way.

On a personal note, I've been dying to post this on Facebook all day, but some of the people I work with I'm friends with on there, so I can't. So you guys will have to suffice (lol) . I complained to my bosses, boss about my pay and he looked at my numbers I've produced the last 2 years and he agreed. $2.50 an hour raise. Opened up overtime to me as well. 12-15 hours of overtime a week. So, um yeah. Kinda celebrating this weekend. Wooo.

AesopRockOn
03-10-2012, 11:23 PM
i don't see y everyone hates on DC when Roy is playing like this.... Roy should be getting bashed not DC

I'm not sure why anyone has to get bashed.

If we hit a few more shots (Here's looking at you, Fluff.), maybe we win without having to go to OT. If Miami doesn't turn it over 20 times, maybe they have an easier win. I'm sure their fans think they could have done better.

On Roy, I think it should be absolutely clear that his body and stamina are not full-time starter ready. It's questionable if they ever will be. Roy starts out very strong, but as the season wears on, he has more and more trouble getting good low post position, recovering to spots on defense, and playing extended minutes. Part of Lou's strong play of late is him just getting more time because Roy has to sit. I personally cannot fathom why Vogel can play Roy for twelve minute stretches. When we resign him this summer (lol, bball), and he displays this pattern again, maybe it will become clearer to some of you.

Hicks
03-10-2012, 11:23 PM
By the way, if they called the obvious offensive goal tending in the first half....

Nuntius
03-10-2012, 11:24 PM
We don't have anybody that can create by himself, there is a reason why we are looking to get Crawford and Mayo, when you have a team full of guys that can't create their own shots you need a point guard that's not looking to create his own shot 99% of the time.

Not trashing DC or anything like that but in reality he is a good 2 guard.

For all the grief I'm giving you at times this is actually a very good opinion. I can actually agree with this.

90'sNBARocked
03-10-2012, 11:24 PM
We don't have anybody that can create by himself, there is a reason why we are looking to get Crawford and Mayo, when you have a team full of guys that can't create their own shots you need a point guard that's not looking to create his own shot 99% of the time.

Not trashing DC or anything like that but in reality he is a good 2 guard.

I think he is talking about moving without the ball, freeing yourself up instead of standing aroung waiting for the ball to be swunng your way, and then going iso

Sookie
03-10-2012, 11:25 PM
We don't have anybody that can create by himself, there is a reason why we are looking to get Crawford and Mayo, when you have a team full of guys that can't create their own shots you need a point guard that's not looking to create his own shot 99% of the time.

Not trashing DC or anything like that but in reality he is a good 2 guard.

I disagree, #1 thing I look for in a PG is "is he a court general."

DC is. He's not as good at it as AJ. But DC controls the game. When DC plays well we usually win because of it.

He's got poor court vision. Get's flustered in crunch time. And is a pretty bad defender. That's all true. But he's made improvements in all those areas this season as compared to last. (That doesn't mean I think he'll ever be really good at it. But average is possible. And he's really good at other things.) And the bottom line is, he does control a game.

This team isn't dependent on a point guard creating shots for them. How about we run a few plays? The second unit does that just fine..what's the issue with the starters?

Bball
03-10-2012, 11:25 PM
There isn't a :rollout: icon big enough for the last bit of that...

The annual swoons are now looking like the norm and not some fluke thing. ...But mainly my point is Roy has played himself out of a position where the Pacers would match nearly any offer for him this summer. And he's also played himself several steps down the ladder as far as the Pacers considering him nearly untouchable in a trade.

I'm not saying they won't make him an offer, but it won't be the offer they thought they'd be making prior to the All Star game (barring a turnaround awfully soon).

Kemo
03-10-2012, 11:26 PM
I made this just for PD .. feel free to add it as a smilie ..

http://www.pacersdigest.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=420&d=1331439883

spazzxb
03-10-2012, 11:27 PM
I was fine with dj's minutes, he just messed up bad. Just reminding you that playing Aj and DC together was not the only option, as you implied.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus

Sookie
03-10-2012, 11:30 PM
I was fine with dj's minutes, he just messed up bad. Just reminding you that playing Aj and DC together was not the only option, as you implied.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus

It was the only other fair option.

Actually to be honest, being all "Hey AJ..um..why don't you go guard Wade" isn't exactly the fairest thing in the world either. But it's better than "hey 19 year old that has probably never played late in a close game, and hasn't played for a few games..um...go guard Wade."

My point was that Vogel made the right decision anyway.

cdash
03-10-2012, 11:32 PM
****

AesopRockOn
03-10-2012, 11:33 PM
Why is nobody talking about all the free throws we missed? Forget the other mistakes, make your damn FTs and this doesn't matter. Our FT shooting has gotten horrendous.

Our season FT is still 77.5% (good for sixth in the league), down a little from last year of 78.2%. Not sure what it's been lately though.

Not to bag on Roy right after I sort of defended him, but his free throws have been bad this season.

Rookie: 66.7%
2nd Year: 75.4%
3rd Year: 74.5%
4th Year: 67.7%

Nuntius
03-10-2012, 11:33 PM
****

That's a pretty good summary of how most of us felt when Wade hit that shot.

Sookie
03-10-2012, 11:33 PM
I made this just for PD .. feel free to add it as a smilie ..

http://www.pacersdigest.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=420&d=1331439883

I think you needed to find a picture of DC, Price, and Dahntay. With Hansbrough photo bombing in the background.

Bball
03-10-2012, 11:35 PM
Overstated.


Not every game... just this game. There was no poise in crunch time of regulation or overtime. The Pacers played the Heat tough, but when crunch time arrived I don't know where anyone saw any poise. I saw Dahntay dribbling up court into a trap when I have no idea why he was even bringing the ball up the court in the first place. I saw Granger worried about Wade in the paint when the Pacers led by 3... so he let James have an open 3. I saw Collison trip over the paint on the top of the key... twice.

I saw West pass the ball to George with arguably too much mustard on it... but also right into his hands... and out of bounds... You just can't have a turnover right there. Let alone an unforced turnover.

I saw George look silly trying to guard Wade's game winner.

Nuntius
03-10-2012, 11:35 PM
I think you needed to find a picture of DC, Price, and Dahntay. With Hansbrough photo bombing in the background.

Amazing choice of words ;)

Nuntius
03-10-2012, 11:38 PM
Not every game... just this game. There was no poise in crunch time of regulation or overtime. The Pacers played the Heat tough, but when crunch time arrived I don't know where anyone saw any poise. I saw Dahntay dribbling up court into a trap when I have no idea why he was even bringing the ball up the court in the first place. I saw Granger worried about Wade in the paint when the Pacers led by 3... so he let James have an open 3. I saw Collison trip over the paint on the top of the key... twice.

I saw West pass the ball to George with arguably too much mustard on it... but also right into his hands... and out of bounds... You just can't have a turnover right there. Let alone an unforced turnover.

I saw George look silly trying to guard Wade's game winner.

Well, I can agree with this.

AesopRockOn
03-10-2012, 11:41 PM
Not every game... just this game. There was no poise in crunch time of regulation or overtime. The Pacers played the Heat tough, but when crunch time arrived I don't know where anyone saw any poise. I saw Dahntay dribbling up court into a trap when I have no idea why he was even bringing the ball up the court in the first place. I saw Granger worried about Wade in the paint when the Pacers led by 3... so he let James have an open 3. I saw Collison trip over the paint on the top of the key... twice.

I saw West pass the ball to George with arguably too much mustard on it... but also right into his hands... and out of bounds... You just can't have a turnover right there. Let alone an unforced turnover.

I saw George look silly trying to guard Wade's game winner.

Did you also see Granger and West hit four huge free throws in the clutch?

I don't understand your point on "letting Lebron have a three." The Heat ran good offense and Lebron hit a clutch shot, something he's had issues with. The Heat had made like one three in their last two games. It's not their forte. Like the announcers said, it was pretty much their last option.

Heat turnovers/miscues late in the game:

4th Quarter:

3:30 Cole out of bounds.
1:44 Dwayne Wade bad pass
0:21 Dwayne Wade bad pass

OT:

4:43 Dwayne Wade bad pass
3:01 Lebron two missed free throws
2:24 Wade one missed free throw


Were mistakes made? **** yes. Against the best team (who certainly isn't perfect either) in the league that has one of the more clutch players of his generation. It's important to analyze and learn from mistakes, but you saying that there was no poise is, as Hicks, said out of bounds.

spazzxb
03-10-2012, 11:48 PM
I don't think it would have been fair to put Lance in that situation.

We can agree to disagree on whether it would have been good for the team. But in terms of being fair to Lance. Definitely not.

"Yup, Lance, you haven't played for a couple of weeks but why don't you go guard Dwayne Wade late in the game. Oh, and we wouldn't mind if you'd score some too.."

Lance is an inch taller than Wade and typically defends the best guard when AJ and Lance are on the floor together. AJ has not played SG this entire season, yet you claim he is now a better option there as well. Since you basically acted like he didn't exist I thought I should remind you.

Hibbert
03-10-2012, 11:49 PM
My point was that Vogel made the right decision anyway.

Eric Reid and Tony Fiorentino disagree with you. "What is Indiana thinking here?". Went on to rave about PG and something about having one of the better up and coming defenders in league sitting on the bench. Yes I know he had 5 fouls but there was two minutes left and we needed PG's defense late in the game against the best team in the league.

Frank Vogel lost this game for us. DJ played great but he's as streaky as they come and I've never trusted him in key game situations. He was only in cause he was hitting his shots, Frank was banking on us keeping the lead and stuck with DJ cause he had the "hot hand". BS

Nuntius
03-10-2012, 11:50 PM
Both good and bad things happened during crunch time. Obviously, since we lost more bad things than good happened.

That's not the big picture, though. The big picture is that we went out and battled a great team on their home court. We were in the midst of a losing streak but we came out wanting to break it against one of the top 3 teams in the league. They played with intensity. They played their hearts out. Granger got hurt and then returned to close out the game. Lou was a warrior battling for every board and loose ball (all his 5 rebounds were offensive ones).

Our players played with their hearts and in the end of the day that's what I like seeing them do. Win or lose, if you play your heart out you're good in my book.

Hibbert
03-10-2012, 11:54 PM
I don't think it would have been fair to put Lance in that situation.

We can agree to disagree on whether it would have been good for the team. But in terms of being fair to Lance. Definitely not.

"Yup, Lance, you haven't played for a couple of weeks but why don't you go guard Dwayne Wade late in the game. Oh, and we wouldn't mind if you'd score some too.."

Fair? If anything that would of given Lance a huge boost of confidence. How is it not fair for Frank to ask anyone of our players to play in the game, a game in which they are getting paid to play?

presto123
03-10-2012, 11:55 PM
Don't want to blame anybody it was a good effort but why did Danny come off Lebron when a three is the only thing that can beat you?(actually tie you) That whole possession by Miami I was saying out loud defend the three point line and don't foul and what happens. I knew it was good before it even left Lebron's hand.

Eleazar
03-10-2012, 11:58 PM
At this point in time if it comes down to a last second play I would expect the Heat to win 80% of the time against us. Experience means a lot in the crunch.

Sookie
03-11-2012, 12:03 AM
Fair? If anything that would of given Lance a huge boost of confidence. How is it not fair for Frank to ask anyone of our players to play in the game, a game in which they are getting paid to play?

Yea, the "asking" would have. Then when he actually had to do the guarding....

I don't think you put players in positions they aren't ready for. (I don't believe in putting young guys in a position to fail) I didn't forget Lance existed. In fact the whole statement about putting Price in the game at the 2 guard spot was more about how Vogel really didn't have an option. Because realistically, neither AJ or Lance are options, late in the game, to defend Dwayne Wade. If I had said "what did you want him to do, play Lance there?" I would have been making the same point. I didn't say that, because Lance fans would take it as insulting to Lance. Irony. (And yes, if the choice was between the two, in that situation, I would pick AJ. Just because he's more likely to be mentally prepared for it. But I'd expect either to fail spectacularly. Because, you know..they'd be guarding DWAYNE WADE.)

The real choice was DJ or PG with his five fouls. I don't have an issue with Vogel making the decision he did, particularly with PG's youth and the refs calling everything in the Heat's favor.

TheDavisBrothers
03-11-2012, 12:05 AM
Don't want to blame anybody it was a good effort but why did Danny come off Lebron when a three is the only thing that can beat you?(actually tie you) That whole possession by Miami I was saying out loud defend the three point line and don't foul and what happens. I knew it was good before it even left Lebron's hand.

Why didn't Paul play better D on Wade?
Why did Jones foul LeBron like a pussy?
Why didn't DC pass at the end of regulation?
Why did Roy shoot 2/11?
Why did West shoot 4/18?

Needless to say, nobody is perfect... they all played a role in the loss, and they also all played a role it playing maybe the best team in the league to the very end

tflo
03-11-2012, 12:09 AM
I just don't understand what happen to Hibbert. Can somebody explain to me how a seven foot All-Star can do so good in the frist half and complety disappear now? This low of productivity is hurting the Pacers. He had a great first half and he had completely disappeared now. If Hibbert can't get it going, I think we should look for a new Center before the trade deadline. I've been real critical on Collison and I think he had a great game today. We played a good game tonight. Just couldn't pull it through in the end.

Bball
03-11-2012, 12:09 AM
but you saying that there was no poise is, as Hicks, said out of bounds.

It's not out of bounds... It's calling it exactly as it was. The Pacers lost their poise in crunch time and gave away a realistic chance at a win against a team that has had their number. It's not like they just lost... they made critical errors at the worst possible time.

The Pacers had 10 secs or whatever to maneuver themselves into position for the winning basket in regulation (after losing a 4 point lead when they had the 4 point lead AND the ball late in the game), and Collison ends up on the ground... tied up for a jump ball at .3 secs. No shot.

That's not poise.

As for the Lebron 3 to tie the game... Lebron didn't lose Granger in a screen. Granger left Lebron to help in the paint worried about Wade, leaving Lebron wide open for a 3 in a 3 point game in the final secs.

That's not smart basketball and that not poise.

Give the Pacers credit for playing Miami tough for much of the game, but onions for their lack of poise down the stretch.

Hibbert
03-11-2012, 12:10 AM
Yea, the "asking" would have. Then when he actually had to do the guarding....

I don't think you put players in positions they aren't ready for. I didn't forget Lance existed. In fact the whole statement about putting Price in the game at the 2 guard spot was more about how Vogel really didn't have an option. Because realistically, neither AJ or Lance are options, late in the game, to defend Dwayne Wade. If I had said "what did you want him to do, play Lance there?" I would have been making the same point. I didn't say that, because Lance fans would take it as insulting to Lance. Irony. (And yes, if the choice was between the two, in that situation, I would pick AJ. Just because he's more likely to be mentally prepared for it. But I'd expect either to fail spectacularly. Because, you know..they'd be guarding DWAYNE WADE.)

The real choice was DJ or PG with his five fouls. I don't have an issue with Vogel making the decision he did, particularly with PG's youth and the refs calling everything in the Heat's favor.
Im not that big on Lance but I don't dislike him either. I just didn't like the fair comment. I don't think it's unfair to anyone on the team to be asked to do anything that will help their team win. They are all professionals, all get paid. I think asking Lance, especially, to do the job might of came out with some positive results and not just in this game.

Bball
03-11-2012, 12:14 AM
At this point in time if it comes down to a last second play I would expect the Heat to win 80% of the time against us. Experience means a lot in the crunch.

If the Pacers could've maintained their composure and played smart basketball then it doesn't come down to a last second play by the Heat to win.

The Pacers had a 4 point lead and the ball late. ...then managed to play themselves into a tie... and later into a position where Miami was the team with the ball and an opportunity to win.

But the problem isn't that Miami won on a last second shot... the problem is that the Pacers made enough late mistakes that allowed Miami to get into position to win on a last second shot. That can't happen when you have a team like Miami on the ropes. Miami didn't put themselves into position to win on that last second shot. The Pacers put Miami into that position.

Sookie
03-11-2012, 12:16 AM
Im not that big on Lance but I don't dislike him either. I just didn't like the fair comment. I don't think it's unfair to anyone on the team to be asked to do anything that will help their team win. They are all professionals, all get paid. I think asking Lance, especially, to do the job might of came out with some positive results and not just in this game.

I just don't think you put young developing players in a position to fail like that. (This isn't coming from a "I dislike Lance" perspective. It's a Genoism actually) That would be asking Lance to do something he can't do. When I don't think he's ever actually had "late" minutes in a game.

Once again, point was simply that Vogel had two realistic options.

Kemo
03-11-2012, 12:18 AM
I think you needed to find a picture of DC, Price, and Dahntay. With Hansbrough photo bombing in the background.

lol, I had a hard enough time finding our main 6 together in a photo lineup..
I was trying to find a current 2012 roster photo..

Kemo
03-11-2012, 12:25 AM
I just don't understand what happen to Hibbert. Can somebody explain to me how a seven foot All-Star can do so good in the frist half and complety disappear now? This low of productivity is hurting the Pacers. He had a great first half and he had completely disappeared now. If Hibbert can't get it going, I think we should look for a new Center before the trade deadline. I've been real critical on Collison and I think he had a great game today. We played a good game tonight. Just couldn't pull it through in the end.

To be fair, Miami was totally denying Roy any sort of positioning, and when he did have the ball trying to go down low in the paint, he had 3 Heat jerseys on him almost every single time....

Edited to add:

If you bothered looking, Joel Anthony had only 5 pts as well, and IMO didn't do much of anything as far as the little things (like Roy did for the Pacers) , to help Miami win..

TinManJoshua
03-11-2012, 12:34 AM
I blame Danny shading into the paint on Wade on George. If he'd have played defense instead of immediately taking himself out of the play when wade recieved the ball there's no open lane, no need for help defense. You can't blame Danny for shortening his rotation to fill an open lane when Lebron is as poor a 3-point shooter as he is. Leaving Wade a lane with West trying to recover is also a three point play. An and-1 layup was higher percentage, and I'm not gonna pretend like that wouldn't have been the end result if Danny had been on Lebron tighter than his jersey. Danny got caught in a bad spot in a series of defensive breakdowns. His was the most damning, but it was far from the most egregious.

Kemo
03-11-2012, 12:34 AM
I don't think it's unfair to anyone on the team to be asked to do anything that will help their team win. They are all professionals, all get paid.

I understand what you are saying... but it is also akin to there being 3 seconds left in regulation,
and Vogel calling an inbounds play to have Foster shoot a game winning 3 pointer... lol (see what I did there? ;) )




I think asking Lance, especially, to do the job might of came out with some positive results and not just in this game.

I can agree with this statement somewhat .. moreso if Lance wasn't icecold on the bench having only played 9 spot minutes mostly early in the game..

Hoop
03-11-2012, 12:42 AM
I was glad it was a good game and it was not a blow out like I thought. Still it may hurt worst than the blow outs, we were sooooo close.

Lot's of mistakes where made I don't really blame anyone person.

I do have to question why we didn't just guard the 3 pt line and was so worried about penetration, 2 points won't have hurt us.

Sookie
03-11-2012, 12:44 AM
I was glad it was a good game and it was not a blow out like I thought. Still it may hurt worst than the blow outs, we were sooooo close.

Lot's of mistakes where made I don't really blame anyone person.

I do have to question why we didn't just guard the 3 pt line and was so worried about penetration, 2 points won't have hurt us.

It's just natural for players to protect the rim. I'm sure Vogel repeated over and over "No +1s and no threes" but guys just naturally look to protect the rim. It's what they've been taught their entire life.

dal9
03-11-2012, 12:56 AM
To be fair, Miami was totally denying Roy any sort of positioning, and when he did have the ball trying to go down low in the paint, he had 3 Heat jerseys on him almost every single time....

Edited to add:

If you bothered looking, Joel Anthony had only 5 pts as well, and IMO didn't do much of anything as far as the little things (like Roy did for the Pacers) , to help Miami win..

alright, but you don't get max $ by arguably outplaying Joel Anthony.

PacersHomer
03-11-2012, 01:20 AM
Roy is saving us some money. He made a huge mistake by not signing that extension because teams are not going to pay him that much if he keeps it up.

SycamoreKen
03-11-2012, 01:26 AM
An overtime loss to the Heat at their place without Hill? I'll take it and then move on. Besides, what else can we do.

Kemo
03-11-2012, 01:39 AM
alright, but you don't get max $ by arguably outplaying Joel Anthony.

Was he or was he not Miami's starting center?

Who's talking about money? I thought we were talking about *ahem* the game lol

vnzla81
03-11-2012, 01:42 AM
http://blogs.indystar.com/pacersinsider/2012/03/11/ninety-seconds-thats-all/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


MIAMI – Ninety seconds and three plays.

That’s how close the Pacers were to beating Miami and erasing the two beat downs the Heat put on them earlier season.

The Pacers could have easily looked at the game as a moral victory, but they know this isn’t youth basketball where orange slices are given out at halftime and juice boxes after the game.

They took it hard.

Many of the players were still in their uniforms slumped in their chairs inside the locker room after their overtime loss. This is probably the hardest I’ve seen them take a loss in recent years. They took the Game 1 loss to the Bulls exceptionally hard, too.

Dahntay Jones started the problems for the Pacers and erased his solid play from earlier in the game.

Jones got trapped along the sideline trying to bring the ball up court. He tried to throw a skip pass, but it was picked off by LeBron for an easy two points.

The Pacers had a timeout but neither Jones or Vogel called one. Vogel said he thought Jones was going to get across halfcourt, so that’s why he didn’t call a timeout.

“I was trying to get it over before the eight-second count,” Jones said. “It’s my bad. It sucks to have your one turnover be that one. I didn’t have any outlets and they were trying to trap.”

That was just the start for Jones.

Instead of just giving up two points or wrapping James up to make sure he couldn’t get the three-point play, Jones gave LeBron a love tap. That’s not going to do anything to a player who doesn’t look like he has an ounce of fat on him.

“It was a situation where I thought I could stop him from getting a layup and put him on the line,” Jones said. “I gave it all I had. I tried to foul him hard and he went through it.”

The Pacers still looked like they were going to pull out the victory when they were up three points late.

All they had to do was protect against the three-point shot.

Protect against the 3-point shot.* Protect against the 3-point shot.

Everybody knew that.

Except Danny Granger.

Dwyane Wade drove the lane, and instead of staying at home on LeBron in the corner, Granger tried to help out rather than give up the two points.

LeBron, who has been criticized for his inability to come through in the fourth quarter, swished the 3 from the corner.

“He overplayed it,” Vogel said about Granger. “We want to be in the gaps, but in that situation, when the other team needs a 3 you have to stay home on shooters.”

FYI, that was a hell of a shot by Wade to win the game with 0.1 seconds left.

dal9
03-11-2012, 03:43 AM
An overtime loss to the Heat at their place without Hill? I'll take it and then move on. Besides, what else can we do.

riot?

Sherlock
03-11-2012, 05:09 AM
yes, we need a good PG.
I feel it takes 15 secs to throw the ball to Hibbert.

Sherlock
03-11-2012, 05:23 AM
They are really good at getting a rebounding and throwing a fast break.
If LeBron catches the ball and leads the break, it looks like already two points given to them already.
Are we really sucked at transition defense or they are really good at transition?

It not like our bigs are punishing of their cheating on break by getting offensive rebound as well.

They front the post, Collison has difficulty to get the ball to Hibbert.
If he does, it already late in the shot-clock.
And Roy does not response to their double-team well.

And God we are a slow team. Two slow bigs, Danny is often slow on defense.
Miami is built as a super fast team. They play the passing lane defense so well.
We don't match up well against Heat.

Heisenberg
03-11-2012, 05:44 AM
Wells has been hanging around Kravitz too long. Multiple single sentence paragraphs meant to "emphasize a point," or whatever the excuse, isn't good writing. It's lazy.

Justin Tyme
03-11-2012, 07:25 AM
Our weakest positions are point guard and centre
Hibbert had hidden during the last 3 games,


Couldn't agree more. If these last 3 games of Hibbert isn't a wakeup call to Bird for Kaman then I don't know what is. Do the darn deal Bird!

Hibbert should have signed an extension when he could have. He's no where near worth the money he could have gotten. This is another reason I want Kaman as a hedge against not signing Hibbert to a REASONABLE contract. Reasonable doesn't mean an Allstar type contract, b/c obviously Hibbert isn't producing like an Allstar nor should he be paid like one.

Justin Tyme
03-11-2012, 07:43 AM
The loss was indeed heartbreaking. Second close, heartbreaking loss tonight for the teams I support (the other happened in the Greek Cup Finals earlier today).

However, SCREW IT!

The guys played a heck of a game. I'm not going to get down by this. They did what I asked. They played good and tough. They showed intensity. They played like a real team. That's what I wanna see.

So, I don't care that we lost. It hurts but screw it. The team came out and played tonight and I'm proud of them.


After the nice start, I just kept waiting for the shoe to drop, but they played it tight and had an opportunity to win. It's just disheartening to lose a game like that when you have a lead so close to the end of reg and OT only to watch it slip away.

I'll say this, it took all 3 of their stars to beat us tonight, and they were d*** lucky to win. For a viewer who wasn't a fan of either team, it was a good game to watch. For a Pacers fan, the end result wasn't what we wanted.

Justin Tyme
03-11-2012, 08:03 AM
I just don't understand what happen to Hibbert. Can somebody explain to me how a seven foot All-Star can do so good in the frist half and complety disappear now? This low of productivity is hurting the Pacers.


It's a mental thing with him. He's not strong mentally, and it causes him to disappear. Until he gets a grip on his mental weakness, he'll always be like this. He's a big man that has a fragile mentality that causes him to be weak for periods of time. He'll come back only to have something cause him to flipflop again. Great players are mentally strong, and thrive on adversity where Hibbert isn't and can't.

McKeyFan
03-11-2012, 08:15 AM
but you saying that there was no poise is, as Hicks, said out of bounds.

Hicks did not say "out of bounds." He said "overstated," which is a more appropriate way to disagree with BBall's opinion.

McKeyFan
03-11-2012, 08:18 AM
Eric Reid and Tony Fiorentino disagree with you. "What is Indiana thinking here?". Went on to rave about PG and something about having one of the better up and coming defenders in league sitting on the bench. Yes I know he had 5 fouls but there was two minutes left and we needed PG's defense late in the game against the best team in the league.

Frank Vogel lost this game for us. DJ played great but he's as streaky as they come and I've never trusted him in key game situations. He was only in cause he was hitting his shots, Frank was banking on us keeping the lead and stuck with DJ cause he had the "hot hand". BS

I don't know about losing the game for us, but I agree he made an error not putting PG back in. He probably agrees.

This is a good growing pain for us. What it will mean is that in future close games and in the playoffs, Vogel won't be as tempted to replace his up and comer with his veteran. That proved not to work so well.

McKeyFan
03-11-2012, 08:21 AM
The real choice was DJ or PG with his five fouls. I don't have an issue with Vogel making the decision he did, particularly with PG's youth and the refs calling everything in the Heat's favor.
This kind of reasoning baffles me. If there's only two minutes left in the game, who cares how many fouls he has?

If he gets the sixth, then, by all means, replace him with that great one man band and ball handler, Kobe Jones.

Justin Tyme
03-11-2012, 08:21 AM
It's not out of bounds... It's calling it exactly as it was. The Pacers lost their poise in crunch time and gave away a realistic chance at a win against a team that has had their number. It's not like they just lost... they made critical errors at the worst possible time.

The Pacers had 10 secs or whatever to maneuver themselves into position for the winning basket in regulation (after losing a 4 point lead when they had the 4 point lead AND the ball late in the game), and Collison ends up on the ground... tied up for a jump ball at .3 secs. No shot.

That's not poise.

As for the Lebron 3 to tie the game... Lebron didn't lose Granger in a screen. Granger left Lebron to help in the paint worried about Wade, leaving Lebron wide open for a 3 in a 3 point game in the final secs.

That's not smart basketball and that not poise.

Give the Pacers credit for playing Miami tough for much of the game, but onions for their lack of poise down the stretch.


I made a post yesterday saying we didn't have a PG that could get the ball to someone to win a game when needed. With 10 seconds left and Collison having the ball was a prime example of just that. Wasted opportunity to win the game. As soon as I saw Collision pounding the air out of the ball, I knew the Pacers wouldn't score, b/c Collision doesn't have the ability to set someone up to score or get the ball to someone with a good chance to score. Bird has to be able to see this, at least I'd hope so. But then he brought Ford to be the PG too, and that didn't work either. Hopefully, the next PG Bird brings in will be what is needed.

ksuttonjr76
03-11-2012, 08:23 AM
I saw George look silly trying to guard Wade's game winner.

I disagree, and I'm not going to discredit Paul George like that. I'm glad that Paul George was willing to guard him. Wade hit a TOUGH shot. Granted, they probably would have called a foul anyways if the shot didn't go in, since there was contact.

ksuttonjr76
03-11-2012, 08:33 AM
I made a post yesterday saying we didn't have a PG that could get the ball to someone to win a game when needed. With 10 seconds left and Collison having the ball was a prime example of just that. Wasted opportunity to win the game. As soon as I saw Collision pounding the air out of the ball, I knew the Pacers wouldn't score, b/c Collision doesn't have the ability to set someone up to score or get the ball to someone with a good chance to score. Bird has to be able to see this, at least I'd hope so. But then he brought Ford to be the PG too, and that didn't work either. Hopefully, the next PG Bird brings in will be what is needed.

IMHO, Collison should have given the ball immediately to Paul George or Danny Granger. If Lebron was guarding Collison, SOMEONE had a mismatch to abuse. That's probably the main reason why I was so mad about that final play.

Justin Tyme
03-11-2012, 10:57 AM
IMHO, Collison should have given the ball immediately to Paul George or Danny Granger. If Lebron was guarding Collison, SOMEONE had a mismatch to abuse. That's probably the main reason why I was so p*ssed about that final play.


And Collision didn't understand who was guarding him? The same player who has guarded him frequently during the game.

Who did he think Norris Cole/Chalmers was guarding?

He didn't get anyone an opportunity to win the game, instead he pounds the ball into a TO. Sorry, he just doesn't have court vision nor court savvy. He's been in the league 2 1/2 years and can't recognize a mismatch? Or is it he can't handle the pressure of being the one who has to make a play? I thought or maybe it was wishing he'd see the light bulb come on, but apparently that is not the case. Then Tinsley who hasn't played in ages comes off the bench for 10 asts for Utah due to Harris illness. GRRR!

Shade
03-11-2012, 11:31 AM
Still four days left until the trade deadline...

Pace Maker
03-11-2012, 12:00 PM
The only positive thing I can say is that DWade is now 30 years old and should start slowing down in a couple years. In the meantime, he's going to own us.

Seriously, I cannot wait until his game starts falling because that will be the end of Miami. LeBron's already proven he can't do it alone.

That he can't do what alone? His teams will still be dominant in the regular season and will go on deep playoff runs...

Nuntius
03-11-2012, 12:09 PM
After the nice start, I just kept waiting for the shoe to drop, but they played it tight and had an opportunity to win. It's just disheartening to lose a game like that when you have a lead so close to the end of reg and OT only to watch it slip away.

I'll say this, it took all 3 of their stars to beat us tonight, and they were d*** lucky to win. For a viewer who wasn't a fan of either team, it was a good game to watch. For a Pacers fan, the end result wasn't what we wanted.

Yeah, I agree.

I heard a lot of good words about the Pacers from neutral viewers. In general, we played well even though we didn't pull it out in the end. I'm still proud of them :)

Hicks
03-11-2012, 01:13 PM
Still four days left until the trade deadline...

I wish I believed we were about to add some more help, but I don't.

I mean, I recognize it's a possibility, but it has to be less than 50% likely, right?

Bball
03-11-2012, 01:35 PM
I wish I believed we were about to add some more help, but I don't.

I mean, I recognize it's a possibility, but it has to be less than 50% likely, right?

Who knows... It's really the first time we've been in this situation with several things at the same time.

Bird at helm... cap space... team with a nice record and potential yet holes needing addressed... and a bit of a slide as the deadline approaches.

yoadknux
03-11-2012, 01:42 PM
Jones chokes against the Heat yet again! Remember last year when we played them, were down 3, and Jones didn't manage to inbound the ball in 5 seconds?

graphic-er
03-11-2012, 02:50 PM
Who knows... It's really the first time we've been in this situation with several things at the same time.

Bird at helm... cap space... team with a nice record and potential yet holes needing addressed... and a bit of a slide as the deadline approaches.

Yeah but how can you have faith that Bird will actually do something at the deadline? He just doesn't have any history in that.

I also have a feeling that this might be Bird's final year, and thus he won't spend the 15million.

TheDavisBrothers
03-11-2012, 02:57 PM
I wish I believed we were about to add some more help, but I don't.

I mean, I recognize it's a possibility, but it has to be less than 50% likely, right?

I still think we'll get Kaman, I just think we won't do it until right at the deadline because we want to exhaust all of our options

dal9
03-11-2012, 03:12 PM
Was he or was he not Miami's starting center?
Just wait until Eddy Curry gets into shape!


Who's talking about money? I thought we were talking about *ahem* the game lol

Seriously though, I like Hibbert. My feeling at the time of his draft was, at #17 if there is a 7'2" center that is at all competent, you take it all day. And he has met or exceeded expectations.

graphic-er
03-11-2012, 03:22 PM
Just wait until Eddy Curry gets into shape!



Seriously though, I like Hibbert. My feeling at the time of his draft was, at #17 if there is a 7'2" center that is at all competent, you take it all day. And he has met or exceeded expectations.

Yes but do you build your entire future around a max contract for this competent center? I'd say no. Trade him to the suns for Gortat.

TheDavisBrothers
03-11-2012, 03:25 PM
Yes but do you build your entire future around a max contract for this competent center? I'd say no. Trade him to the suns for Gortat.

He's not gonna get a max contract tho IMO, I think its prob gonna be around 12/13 mil

Nuntius
03-11-2012, 03:32 PM
Yes but do you build your entire future around a max contract for this competent center? I'd say no. Trade him to the suns for Gortat.

No.

Gortat's number in Phoenix are inflated.

Nash is making him look like x10 the player he is offensively.

Same thing can be said about his rebounds. Who is going to rebound for Phoenix? Channing Frye? 40 year old Grant Hill? 38 year old Steve Nash? Or Jared Dudley?

The only good rebounder in Phoenix apart from Gortat is Robin Lopez. And they almost never play together.

Don't get me wrong, I like Gortat. He is a very solid Center. Legit starter. And he is a great fit with Nash, really. But trading him straight-up for Roy? I just don't see this as a good trade for us.