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vnzla81
03-06-2012, 12:16 PM
I'm not buying that excuse.


http://blogs.indystar.com/pacersinsider/2012/03/06/the-pacers-were-blown-out-in-the-windy-city/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


The Pacers were blown out in the Windy City



1:29 AM, Mar. 06, 2012 | Written by Mike Wells |
5 Comments


CHICAGO – Beating the Bulls on their homecourt for the second time this season wasn’t going to be easy for the Pacers.

Not with Tom Thibodeau as the coach. Not with Derrick Rose still thinking about how the Pacers “celebrated” after winning at the United Center in January. Not with Joakim Noah having Roy Hibbert’s number.

The Bulls walked off the court at halftime trailing by one. But you didn’t get the sense that they were worried about losing to the Pacers.

Rose had only scored two points in the first half, so you knew he was going to get it going at some point in the second half. And once Rose gets going the rest of his teammates hop on and go along for the ride, too.

The Bulls blew the game open – and sent a very solid message along the way – in the third quarter with two big runs. The first was a 20-4 run. The second was an 11-2 run to end the third quarter with a 19-point lead.

Pacers coach Frank Vogel was very honest when asked if this was an indication of how much more work they have to do before they can be mentioned anywhere near the Bulls and Heat.

“Yeah, I guess so,” Vogel bluntly said about losing to those two teams by a total of 70 points this season.

What Monday and the two losses to Miami have shown is that the Bulls and Heat are clearly the best two teams in the East – and the NBA – and everybody else is miles behind them in the conference trying – and failing – to close the gap.

A couple of Pacers tried to brush off the loss by saying the season series with the Bulls is tied 1-1.

That’s 100 percent true, but that’s a poor way to look at it.

They could get by with that mind frame if the Bulls beat them by four or five points.

But 20 points?
Mentioning the season series was the last thing they should have been talking about after the Bulls worked them over.

Darren Collison played solid defense on Rose in the first half.

But where was Collison’s offensive game?

Collison went scoreless (0-of-6) in 31 minutes. You can’t let Rose rest on the defensive end of the court. Collison has to attack Rose the way he did in the playoffs last season.

Danny Granger never seemed to be in the game. He was 4-of-12 from the field, while Luol Deng scored 20 points. Deng, like Andre Iguodala, LeBron and Carmelo, gives Granger problems offensively. Each player presents different problems to Granger.

Don’t think Noah wasn’t trying to send a message to Hibbert.

Noah, who started celebrating on the court early, grabbed 17 rebounds while also making Hibbert a non-factor on offense. Hibbert only took six shots and scored two points.

The Pacers are easy to defend, especially if you’re as good as the Bulls, if they’re not getting any production in the post.

Ownagedood
03-06-2012, 12:18 PM
HATER.

;)

Unfortunately they were hot and got ALL the boards.. We only shot in the 30%'s

...They failed to mention Hibbert was a non factor because of foul trouble, not because Noah was in beast mode and making him look bad.

Shade
03-06-2012, 12:20 PM
Which players, and where are the quotes from them?

Pingu
03-06-2012, 12:27 PM
As far as I'm concerned, it's the right reaction for players to have. What does Wells want the players to do? Tweet pictures of themselves crying?

Yes they played a bad game, but it was one bad game, and they know they can beat the Bulls since they've done it earlier this season. So just put the big loss behind you, and get ready for the next game against the Bulls!

BobbyMac
03-06-2012, 12:37 PM
We're playing the best team in basketball and people here are ready to blow it up because we're not 2-0 on their home floor...

Since86
03-06-2012, 12:39 PM
So does this mean that the Pacers will be down -20 to 0 the next time the ball is tossed in the air against the Bulls?

1-1 is exactly the way to look at it, because that's exactly what it is. 1 to 1.

Unclebuck
03-06-2012, 12:51 PM
Yeah the series is 1-1. But I don't think the regular season series between teams means much when they meet again in the playoffs. It is a different game in the playoffs.

But the bulls are the better team. They are really, really good, I think the 2nd best team in the NBA behind the Heat. Pacers just aren't as good. A team's won/loss record means a lot

bballpacen
03-06-2012, 12:56 PM
It is certainly the way to approach this... With games coming as quickly as are, you have to have a short memory, and brush off the bad games to move onto the next one...

Sollozzo
03-06-2012, 01:19 PM
I rarely put much stock into season series results anyway. The Bulls actually swept the season series against Miami last year. Then Miami waxed them in the playoffs.

There's Miami and Chicago in the East and then there is everyone else. I think we can at least compete with Chicago in a rematch and could hopefully take it to 6 this time. We would probably get swept against Miami though. They have 3 players who are superior to any single player on our roster.

Ownagedood
03-06-2012, 01:28 PM
Like Wilbon said yesterday on PTI, this was a huge game for the Bulls, but just a regular game for the Pacers. The Pacers weren't supposed to win. The Bulls needed it and wanted it more.

Now the field will be even for the next time we square off.

Pacer Fan
03-06-2012, 01:29 PM
I think it's the only way to look at it in the public eye. Also, Danny did fine for 95% time played vs Deng. Deng was 5 for 13 fg. while Danny was 4-12. That comment in that article makes no sense if one actually watched the game. Danny had as many open looks then Deng did and they basically shot the same. Neither team played offense well do to the level of defense being played. Getting out rebounded 60-32 is what lost the game for the Pacers more then anything else!

Ace E.Anderson
03-06-2012, 01:33 PM
I may be in the minority but I would have rather the team be PISSED for not only losing, but losing LIKE THAT. Yeah the Bulls are one of the best teams in the league, but with as much trash as they were talking before the game, pride has to kick in and you have to want to KILL a team like that.

I agree you shouldn't get too high after a win, nor too low after a loss, but It'd have been nice for someone on the Pacers to pull a D.Rose and say "I can't wait to play this team again"....or something to that extent. There's nothing wrong with competitive fire, or having pride. Things like that, (plus the fact they have more talent) is the reason why the Bulls, Heat, and OKC are the best teams in the league. They play as if they have something to prove, EVERY TIME. And they're PISSED when they lose.

Ace E.Anderson
03-06-2012, 01:33 PM
I may be in the minority but I would have rather the team be PISSED for not only losing, but losing LIKE THAT. Yeah the Bulls are one of the best teams in the league, but with as much trash as they were talking before the game, pride has to kick in and you have to want to KILL a team like that.

I agree you shouldn't get too high after a win, nor too low after a loss, but It'd have been nice for someone on the Pacers to pull a D.Rose and say "I can't wait to play this team again"....or something to that extent. There's nothing wrong with competitive fire, or having pride. Things like that, (plus the fact they have more talent) is the reason why the Bulls, Heat, and OKC are the best teams in the league. They play as if they have something to prove, EVERY TIME. And they're PISSED when they lose.

Lol at all of the CAPS

Since86
03-06-2012, 01:51 PM
I agree you shouldn't get too high after a win, nor too low after a loss, but It'd have been nice for someone on the Pacers to pull a D.Rose and say "I can't wait to play this team again"....or something to that extent.

How do you know something like that wasn't said? Just because it's not said publically, doesn't mean it's not said privately.

I would much rather them do their talking amongst themselves, rather than running their mouths to the media.

90'sNBARocked
03-06-2012, 01:53 PM
Its the way the games went , not the fact its 1-1. We beat them by Scalabrine missing an open 3 as time expired.

A month or so later they made us look like a scared, confused, shel of ourselves beating us by 20

What bothered me the most is when the run came early in the 3rd quarter (Rose hit his first 3 to put the Bulls up 7) it appeared to me, that there was no sense of urgency and the starters basically gave up and started going one on one

very depressing

Tom White
03-06-2012, 02:00 PM
Also, Danny did fine for 95% time played vs Deng. Deng was 5 for 13 fg. while Danny was 4-12. That comment in that article makes no sense if one actually watched the game. Danny had as many open looks then Deng did and they basically shot the same.

That's fine, as far as that goes. However, let's take it a bit further. Deng got to the line for 7 FT's, hitting all of them. Granger shot 2-2 from the stripe. Deng also out-rebounded Granger 6-1. One stinkin' rebound! What is the excuse for Granger's lack of getting to the line and lack of rebounding? Doesn't look so fine to me.

Instead of consoling themselves with the line about the series being 1-1 at this point, the team should be mad as hell at themselves for the way they lost it.

Want to improve? Don't be so accepting of this type of play.

ejwallace
03-06-2012, 02:21 PM
That's fine, as far as that goes. However, let's take it a bit further. Deng got to the line for 7 FT's, hitting all of them. Granger shot 2-2 from the stripe. Deng also out-rebounded Granger 6-1. One stinkin' rebound! What is the excuse for Granger's lack of getting to the line and lack of rebounding? Doesn't look so fine to me.


Let's be honest, Granger is averaging 4 RPG and 5 FTA. So he didn't live up to his average, but he wasn't that far away from his average either. He didn't have a great game....

Deng is averaging 6.9 RPG and 3.1 FTA....He got more free throws than normal, but just looking purely at stats, you would expect him to get more Rebounds than Danny...

Deng had an average game while Danny struggled....Every player has bad games, but Danny's game wasn't so terrible that anyone should be worrisome....

Pacemaker
03-06-2012, 02:27 PM
Granger's shot selection was horrible.

Tom White
03-06-2012, 02:28 PM
Let's be honest, Granger is averaging 4 RPG and 5 FTA. So he didn't live up to his average, but he wasn't that far away from his average either. He didn't have a great game....

Deng is averaging 6.9 RPG and 3.1 FTA....He got more free throws than normal, but just looking purely at stats, you would expect him to get more Rebounds than Danny...

Deng had an average game while Danny struggled....Every player has bad games, but Danny's game wasn't so terrible that anyone should be worrisome....

Granger's performance was emblematic of his year. He is shooting under 39% from the field. At 30+ games into the season, that is not a slump. It is what can be expected. It is not good enough, in particular if the Pacers have any hope of competing with teams like Chicago.

J7F
03-06-2012, 02:36 PM
Instead of consoling themselves with the line about the series being 1-1 at this point, the team should be mad as hell at themselves for the way they lost

Who says they aren't pissed at themselves?

That quote can be made while still being upset with how they played...

I don't see the issue here... The statement is a fact...

Just because our players don't come out making the kneejerk negative statements doesn't mean they don't care that they got abused last night...

Tom White
03-06-2012, 02:42 PM
Who says they aren't pissed at themselves?

That quote can be made while still being upset with how they played...

I don't see the issue here... The statement is a fact...

Just because our players don't come out making the kneejerk negative statements doesn't mean they don't care that they got abused last night...

I understand what you are saying, and yes, what they said is a fact. I would still prefer that instead of using a crutch statement of denial like what was said, that they instead say something like "We stunk up the joint, and we are going to do everything to make sure that doesn't happen again. We had them down at the half, and we let the whole thing go in the third quarter. If we do our jobs we are up 2-0 on them, but we didn't get the job done.".

Since86
03-06-2012, 02:45 PM
No player was even quoted in the article. You don't know what was said, and what wasn't said.

You're taking a paraphrased quote and running with it.

BillS
03-06-2012, 02:54 PM
I understand what you are saying, and yes, what they said is a fact. I would still prefer that instead of using a crutch statement of denial like what was said, that they instead say something like "We stunk up the joint, and we are going to do everything to make sure that doesn't happen again. We had them down at the half, and we let the whole thing go in the third quarter. If we do our jobs we are up 2-0 on them, but we didn't get the job done.".

That'd never make it in the paper, especially if it ended with "But at the end of the day, we're still 1-1."

Easier to use inflammatory rhetoric like "brush off" and try to get the fan base mad.

Eleazar
03-06-2012, 03:04 PM
All this means is the Bulls are still a better team than we are (not a surprise I think), but it doesn't mean it is the end of the world or that we can't beat them in a 7 games series. It just means today they were better, and it shows why they have a better record than we do.

sportfireman
03-06-2012, 03:07 PM
This comment is just as bad as the Rose comments after we beat them. It shows that the loss did mean something. It stung a bit, if you're a true competitor you compete to win. When you don't win it hurts. So if this doesn't hurt or bother you then why speak about it? It did hurt. We're in their head and they are in ours. The same reason why Rose spoke about it. It matters. We have 13 other losses, have not heard a word on those.

BlueNGold
03-07-2012, 12:23 AM
I wonder how they feel about being down to the Hawks after getting pounded by Zaza Pachulia.

Pacer Fan
03-07-2012, 09:28 AM
That's fine, as far as that goes. However, let's take it a bit further. Deng got to the line for 7 FT's, hitting all of them. Granger shot 2-2 from the stripe. Deng also out-rebounded Granger 6-1. One stinkin' rebound! What is the excuse for Granger's lack of getting to the line and lack of rebounding? Doesn't look so fine to me.

Instead of consoling themselves with the line about the series being 1-1 at this point, the team should be mad as hell at themselves for the way they lost it.

Want to improve? Don't be so accepting of this type of play.

As I agree with you on the rebounds, I don't see the foul thing an issue of Danny's. He was fouled multiple times and the refs swallowed the whistle.

As far as them being mad as hell, I am sure they are in the locker room. But they don't have to show anger or show that they played so stinking bad to the public. Some things are best left in the locker room. So, coming out, showing confidence and saying the series is tied 1-1 is a good thing. There is no spin the media can use to make the Pacers look bad and the Pacers sure not lying about the 1-1 series tie.

xBulletproof
03-07-2012, 01:21 PM
Let me help them out here .... we are 1-1 vs Chicago in Chicago.

If this is a playoff game you just stole home court advantage and you skip back to Indy smiling. No idea why that's a bad way of looking at things.