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    Odd Thoughts: Gored

    The one good thing to take away from this game was that it only counts as one loss, even though it seemed like 5.

    One lousy quarter, that is what is so sick, it was all one absolutely horrid putrid quarter of basketball. Other than that we played them fairly even, but that quarter was so bad we could not even pretend to come back.

    Note to all of the posters on Pacers Digest who just can not understand why the casual fan does not really care about our club, well those who just watch the sports center highlights or catch the score online or somewhere else will only see that once again when faced with a real team we lost by double digits. They won’t take the time to see that in the first half we outplayed them, because at the end of the day it didn’t matter.

    Right now we are beating, handily mind you, the lower echelon of the league. But when faced with real competition we have not won a single game in a month and sadly we haven’t even competed.

    This game was just the final straw for me when it comes to accepting the mantra of smash mouth basketball, we don’t do it and haven’t now for over a month. We have reverted to being a jump shooting soft interior weak rebounding club (when faced with real competition not the Charlotte Generals) and the Bulls just beat the living crap out of us tonight.

    Frankly that third quarter was such a mess that I don’t even remember it all that much, I think my mind is intentionally blocking it out of my memory. But however many time outs that Frank took, they weren’t enough. Yes they had some big three’s drop, but several of those big three’s were the result of second effort rebounds and tips that our players just never got to.

    Yes I know never get to up after a win or to down after a loss but this being blown out by good teams is just not good. It would be one thing if we lost by 8 points in a hard fought battle but this game was over at the end of the 3rd (did Rose even play in the 4th quarter?).

    So now we get to face the Hawks tonight. I won’t say must win game, but frankly we lose this one and well…. Miami in Miami on Saturday night then going to Orlando the next night just does not bode well for us.

    In all honesty I think tonight’s game has opened me up to the idea that while I appreciate the win loss record, we need to make some changes.

    I know a lot of people want a change at the point and I won’t dispute that but right now I want another big man off of the bench. One who is a shot blocker and scorer if at all possible, however getting one of those is going to be hard to find. BTW, I’m not looking to replace Lou here; I have someone else in mind to replace.

    I hate the Bulls, their fans, the city of Chicago (at the moment) and most of all I hate the king Rat looking Noah. But the truth of the matter is as much as I want to be mad at them and as much as I want to point out the blatant hypocrisy of their stupid sideline dancing and celebrating we have nobody to blame but ourselves. Yes Rose finally got going, but it wouldn’t have mattered if we would have taken care of John Lucas in the 1st. If we would have just won one or two loose ball or rebound tips in the 3rd we could have thwarted this. But no, they simply out played us. They are the better team and I guess this is what you get when you play a better team and don’t play absolutely perfect basketball.

    Don’t get me wrong I’m not saying tank it or blow it up or any of the other hyperbole statements that are made far to often, but I think it is naïve to look at the team as currently constructed and think that it doesn’t need some serious upgrades.

    Our bench, which was supposed to be a real strength for us, has just gotten to the point that I am happy if they don’t drop us to a double digit deficit by the time they go out. At times one of them will contribute something but far too often we get nothing from them.

    In fact I am at the point that I do not think Frank should play them as a unit anymore. They should just be sprinkled in with starters for a few min. and the only time we don’t have at least two starters on the floor is a blowout either way.

    I can’t say enough how bad a 20 point loss hurts this team again. Yes I know whether or not it is 2 points or 20 points it’s a loss either way, but
    looking at if just from that point of view is naïve as well.

    Any thoughts of this series being a rivalry need to be put on the backburner because until further notice they just simply better than we are.

    For tonight let’s just do grades.

    Danny Granger: D There were two plays in the 3rd quarter that just flat out infuriated me. Both of them were fast breaks. The first Danny went 1 on 4 and missed a bad shot that the Bulls immediately rebounded and scored. The second one is the one that made me almost throw my controller through the TV. He is coming down 3 on 2 with Paul George on the other wing. Danny is slightly in front but you can see Paul coming fast and both defenders are going at Danny leaving Paul wide open or at the very least open enough to get the and 1 shot. In a perfect world Danny drives the lane flipping a pass to George for the spectacular momentum shifting dunk. But in our world Danny throws up some crappy one handed double teamed shot that of course has no hope of going in and again Chicago quickly rebounds and scores. Selfish is the only word that comes to my mind. Well actually that is not true at all, I believe I called him an ***hole when he did that. The way he started out I thought he was going to prove to Deng that he deserved to be in that all-star game when as it turned out Deng proved to him why he should not.

    David West: B Surprisingly he was actually very good tonight on defense. He even had a couple of blocked shots one of which was as a weak side help. He also did try and help out on the boards and when he was down low he got the boards in his area. He didn’t hit a high enough % of his shots but then again other than George Hill & Lou Amundson who did. We probably should have tried to go to him more often on the offensive end.

    Roy Hibbert: C Ok right off the bat I’ll ask. What the hell was Joey Crawford calling on that first foul when Noah ran down the court and ran right into Roy? How exactly was that a foul on Roy? For that matter how was that a foul on anybody? Two quick fouls and he was taken out of the game. Noah just abused him again physically and with the foul trouble Roy was just a non-factor on offense & wasn’t much help on the boards. He did try as best as he could to be the last line of defense tonight in the second half and that is what is saving him from a lower grade. He had one good game vs. Noah and almost every other time he has owned him. It is so bad that Sam Smith of Bulls.com was making fun of Roy on twitter about Noah being in his head.

    Paul George: A- He never gave up. When every other player had their shoulders slumping and heads down Paul was still trying and was giving effort. He didn’t have the overall good game that he has been having recently, but his effort to score and still play defense sets him apart from any other starter. The Bulls just have no answer for him, few teams do. But Paul is going to need help from someone at almost any position for us to not have out teeth kicked in vs. these really good teams.

    Darren Collision: D- As they ask on office space “what would you say you do here”? I have no idea what the hell he was doing in that game. He did a decent job of staying in front of Rose in the first half but he hardly stopped him, Derrick was just missing shots at the rim. 0-6 from the floor is not what I would call making Rose work on the defensive end either. It would be one thing if he had dished out 15 assists but his massive 3 assists to go along with his 0 points does not make me want to vote for him for MVP anytime in our lifetimes.

    Tyler Hansbrough: D- Ok I know this is going to cause a fire storm but frankly I don’t care. I have been a supporter of Tyler all season long. Even when he was having one of his long extended slumps (that seemed to last all season). But I think I am now ready to move on. Sadly I think he is the player he is always going to be and while he can make some adjustments to his game, overall I am now pretty much convinced he is just going to be a streak player who can on occasion have a really good game but when he his not really good he is really bad. He was just a non-factor again tonight, which wouldn’t be a problem but for the fact that our entire bench and frankly our “smash mouth” mantra was supposed to be centered around him. I can’t make a good argument that Lou Amundson isn’t better than him on most nights anymore. I think we really need to be looking for a new backup big man either a 4 or 5 and if it costs us Tyler to get them, well I’m ready for it.

    George Hill: A- Like Paul George he never gave up either. He was hitting his shots and kept trying to take it to the Bulls. His defense was solid and while he won’t be confused with Steve Nash he still only dropped one less assist and 17 more points than Collison did in 5 less minutes.

    Lou Amundson: B+ Solid production for a guy who only played 13 min. He was physical with the Bulls and really was about the only Pacer big who was. In all honesty I wish they would have given him Tyler’s min. along side West as he out produced Tyler in almost ½ the time on the floor. At this point in time I think Lou has done more than enough to earn his time and Jeff should just sit and wait till the end of the season or the playoffs. He is still horrid for the most part on offense but you can never say he doesn’t come in like a bolt of lightning.

    A.J. Price: D+ His early in the shot clock three point shot attempt in the second half was just repulsive. In fact he should be fined for every time he calls his own number without looking to run another play. Now don’t get me wrong he wasn’t any worse than the starter (that would be almost impossible), but don’t kid yourself into thinking he was good either and his 25% from the free throw line was scrumtralescent.

    Dahntay Jones: N/A Didn’t play enough to even consider his time on the floor, or better yet he didn’t do anything one way or the other to make me remember him.

    Oh well the only thing we can do is put this one out of our minds as fast as possible and come back and beat the Hawks.



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    Bottom line, you got a split in Chicago. No reason to be too down that you couldn't take both games there.

    Take care of business at home and you win the season series.

    Lose by 1, 20 or 50, and it still amounts to only 1 loss.

    It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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    • #3
      Re: Odd Thoughts: Gored

      Originally posted by Peck View Post
      I hate the Bulls, their fans, the city of Chicago (at the moment) and most of all I hate the king Rat looking Noah. But the truth of the matter is as much as I want to be mad at them and as much as I want to point out the blatant hypocrisy of their stupid sideline dancing and celebrating we have nobody to blame but ourselves
      As much as the pinpoint analysis this is why you are the best.

      Seamless integration of hard analytical prose combined with a perfect snapshot of the emotion of the game.

      And I dont intend for that to be patronizing at all - just had yet another 'Peck is right on the money' moment that happens often enough to deserve more than just a 'thanks'.
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      • #4
        Re: Odd Thoughts: Gored

        I think Frank deserves some blame for not making any adjustments defensively. As soon as Rose figured out the double team/trap scheme, we should have switched Paul on him. Whatever.

        By the way, I went to this game and we had the Bulls fans scared in the first half. A couple of people behind me were trash talking my friend and I at half. Honestly, I was a bit scared that it would escalate. Fortunately, the Pacers took care of that in the 3rd. They were laughing at us and chanting Scalabrini's name by the end of the quarter.

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        • #5
          Re: Odd Thoughts: Gored

          Originally posted by Kstat View Post
          Bottom line, you got a split in Chicago. No reason to be too down that you couldn't take both games there.

          Take care of business at home and you win the season series.

          Lose by 1, 20 or 50, and it still amounts to only 1 loss.
          There's more to it than that though.

          It's hard to stomach a loss when it really hammers home how good your team is.

          It's not that we lost, we just haven't seen any actually good basketball in over a month. There has been a definite regression from how they started.

          The Pacers started rebounding well, and defending well. That's just not happening right now.

          On top of that there's these glaring problems:

          Tyler Hansbrough isn't very good at basketball. I mean, call it a slump but as Peck said, this is a season long slump. He's just not good. Why is a very stocky powerful looking guy getting pushed around like he's weaker than Paul George?

          Darren Collison is a liability. No matter how many times people say, "oh well if he's your worst starter, than that's good." No, unless there's a significant upgrade in talent in the starting lineup this team will never be able to compete with the Bulls, the Heat, or the Thunder. Except for the Bulls, all three of those teams have significantly more talented starting lineups.

          Except for Hill, the bench is not good enough to compete with any other bench in the league. Before we had grand delusions that we would be a competitor because we had a talented team 1-10 and once Paul George grew into his potential we could compete with the best. Now we truly know we have to make some more upgrades not just in the starting lineup but on the bench as well.

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          • #6
            Re: Odd Thoughts: Gored

            I have no idea whats wrong with Tyler, the books out on him I know, but he is not this bad, he's just not. Has he had 1 good game and sprinkled in 4 or 5 quarters all year that he's really even making an impact, all year? I have no inside info in any way, but it just seems like something is wrong. Its either that or he didn't work on his game in any way in the off season. Maybe both things are wrong, he's really been pedestrian at best and bad at worst.

            As for the game, meh, Bulls had alot of incentive to bring it and they are really good. Not sure I expected anything different. It won't mean much if these teams meet in a 7 game series in May.

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            • #7
              Re: Odd Thoughts: Gored

              Originally posted by mattie View Post
              Now we truly know we have to make some more upgrades not just in the starting lineup but on the bench as well.
              Wow. We've progressed from an 8th seed last year to a possible 3rd seed this year. And that's not good enough? How big a jump do we have to make in one year to make people happy?

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              • #8
                Re: Odd Thoughts: Gored

                Originally posted by mattie View Post
                There's more to it than that though.

                It's hard to stomach a loss when it really hammers home how good your team is.

                It's not that we lost, we just haven't seen any actually good basketball in over a month. There has been a definite regression from how they started.

                The Pacers started rebounding well, and defending well. That's just not happening right now.

                On top of that there's these glaring problems:

                Tyler Hansbrough isn't very good at basketball. I mean, call it a slump but as Peck said, this is a season long slump. He's just not good. Why is a very stocky powerful looking guy getting pushed around like he's weaker than Paul George?

                Darren Collison is a liability. No matter how many times people say, "oh well if he's your worst starter, than that's good." No, unless there's a significant upgrade in talent in the starting lineup this team will never be able to compete with the Bulls, the Heat, or the Thunder. Except for the Bulls, all three of those teams have significantly more talented starting lineups.

                Except for Hill, the bench is not good enough to compete with any other bench in the league. Before we had grand delusions that we would be a competitor because we had a talented team 1-10 and once Paul George grew into his potential we could compete with the best. Now we truly know we have to make some more upgrades not just in the starting lineup but on the bench as well.
                Not very impressed at all with Collison's lack of growth in Indiana, but other than that, this can be chalked up to a poor effort on the road against the best team in the East with an axe to grind.

                I'm not saying Indiana can't shoot for the moon with Collison, but unless he improves significantly, the Pacers will eventually be faced with either upgrading him or finding a superstar at another position to offset him.
                Last edited by Kstat; 03-06-2012, 06:31 AM.

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                • #9
                  Re: Odd Thoughts: Gored

                  Originally posted by Strummer View Post
                  Wow. We've progressed from an 8th seed last year to a possible 3rd seed this year. And that's not good enough? How big a jump do we have to make in one year to make people happy?
                  5th seed technically.

                  I think you're misunderstanding my tone.

                  It's great frankly. But there is still probably a long way to go talent wise before this team can compete with the top 3. (shouldn't be a shock to anyone) That's a bit of a shock to I think a lot of people including me on here. That's all.

                  Watching this team win as many games as this team has I think it's only natural to assume this team is not too far off from competing. I really don't think so any more though.

                  The bench needs a lot of improvement. The starting five needs a PG who can play D, and a big jump from PG.

                  I mean this is fun and all, but we've all kind of gotten a sucker punch of reality.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Odd Thoughts: Gored

                    Tyler isnt good at basketball, and Lou is better. Ya arguably the best college basketball player EVER isnt any good, Ive seen it all now. Maybe the transition to coming off the bench is hitting him harder than he expected. Its not really fair to put ALL the blame on him. Its not like that second unit is loaded with scorers. Do you guys ever think that maybe teams can focus on him more bc no one is worried about Amundson. He IS in fact the main focal point in the second unit. I agree he has been incredibly inconsistent and slumping bad. He has some serious work to do. I dont know whats wrong, but on any given bad night he is still better than Lou. Theres a reason Tyler is factored in most trade proposals to acquire a marquee player. No one wants to trade for Lou. I had better leave before someone else suggests something that tips me over the edge.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Odd Thoughts: Gored

                      I don't think the Pacers need a specific type of point guard. I think they just need a better one.

                      A guy like Nash that can't defend worth **** would still make a world of difference. Likewise, a defensive player like Jack or Felton that isn't necessarily a better offensive player than Collison would still improve Indiana a bit.

                      Again, Collison is still young and could become better himself. It all depends on how long your timeline is.
                      Last edited by Kstat; 03-06-2012, 06:37 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Odd Thoughts: Gored

                        so we get clobbered by the bulls, shrug, who cares, ok we do, but let's not forget we entered the season thinking we would make it to the playoffs, only after 10 games came the "Let's try and get homecourt" which turned in "we better end 3rd"

                        The ever so obnoxious Chi-town crew calling the game, falling ovet themselves to declare absolute innocence on all bulls and foul on every touch from the Pacers, made us a far greater compliment sprinkled with truth than anyone in the gamethread would ever think of doing, and I quite losely "this team is not quite there, they surely are and will be the nr 3 in the east at the end of the season, but they are just shy of some improvement to compete with Chicago and Miami"
                        I was flabbergasted, no other expression possbile, the worst homers in NBA tv commentating history saying this about our Pacers?

                        Let's face reality a few minutes shall we? even if we beat Chicago in the playoffs, do they beat Miami for us or do WE have to do that? To be honest I don't see either happening but ok, let's say they do it, do you really think we can still beat them riding that high?

                        We all know this team needs improvement, with our growing and climbing in the standings, we get the recognition from the zebras as well I hope (though hold out little) and maybe, just maybe they will call Noah for his two-handed defense on Roy continuoulsy and his climbing over the back on most rebounds, now it is seen as "assertiveness" but he is simply fouling and lesser gods get called for it.

                        Foul 1 AND 2 on Hibbert were madness, and if they don't get called we have another game; conclusion, Hibbert is more important than some realize.

                        (extract from gamethread; No way Hibberst is a max-type player, nowhere near, we better not overpay for him")

                        If your opponent is one of the top 3/4 teams in the league and the plan their defense around Hibbert, like once he has the ball and makes a move we collapse with at least 3 on him, he is scary much better then most of us can even think.

                        With a decent pg and getting the ball to him faster in the short windows he can get the ball because he is not fronted, he could even get a lot more important.

                        Anyway not a game to remember or forget, take it on board and come back tonight, I feel petty on the hawks.
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                        • #13
                          Re: Odd Thoughts: Gored

                          Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                          Not very impressed at all with Collison's lack of growth in Indiana, but other than that, this can be chalked up to a poor effort on the road against the best team in the East with an axe to grind.

                          I'm not saying Indiana can't shoot for the moon with Collison, but unless he improves significantly, the Pacers will eventually be faced with either upgrading him or finding a superstar at another position to offset him.
                          That's exactly why I think so many of us talk about replacing Collison. It's not that he's so bad, its just to offset his play someone of Durant's quality would have to play for the Pacers. I think that's a bit ambitious.

                          Also- a single loss by it's self is never that big of a deal. Still, we are all waiting for this team to start playing tough defense and rebounding again. They haven't done it since January which is disconcerting. Hopefully that play will return. Regardless, they'll still continue to beat the bad teams as they have improved overall of course.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Odd Thoughts: Gored

                            Originally posted by CreekShow View Post
                            Tyler isnt good at basketball, and Lou is better. Ya arguably the best college basketball player EVER isnt any good, Ive seen it all now. Maybe the transition to coming off the bench is hitting him harder than he expected. Its not really fair to put ALL the blame on him. Its not like that second unit is loaded with scorers. Do you guys ever think that maybe teams can focus on him more bc no one is worried about Amundson. He IS in fact the main focal point in the second unit. I agree he has been incredibly inconsistent and slumping bad. He has some serious work to do. I dont know whats wrong, but on any given bad night he is still better than Lou. Theres a reason Tyler is factored in most trade proposals to acquire a marquee player. No one wants to trade for Lou. I had better leave before someone else suggests something that tips me over the edge.
                            Tyler is a liability on both ends of the floor, Lou is twice the defender he is, 3 time the shotblocker and within his limitations a more consistand thread on the offensive end than Tyler.

                            Transition to the bench? from the how many game he started for the Pacers?
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                            • #15
                              Re: Odd Thoughts: Gored

                              Originally posted by CreekShow View Post
                              Tyler isnt good at basketball, and Lou is better. Ya arguably the best college basketball player EVER isnt any good, Ive seen it all now. Maybe the transition to coming off the bench is hitting him harder than he expected. Its not really fair to put ALL the blame on him. Its not like that second unit is loaded with scorers. Do you guys ever think that maybe teams can focus on him more bc no one is worried about Amundson. He IS in fact the main focal point in the second unit. I agree he has been incredibly inconsistent and slumping bad. He has some serious work to do. I dont know whats wrong, but on any given bad night he is still better than Lou. Theres a reason Tyler is factored in most trade proposals to acquire a marquee player. No one wants to trade for Lou. I had better leave before someone else suggests something that tips me over the edge.
                              http://www.basketball-reference.com/...hansbty01.html

                              http://www.82games.com/1112/11IND9.HTM

                              The opposing team nets an additional 8.8 points per 100 possessions just because Tyler exists.

                              He shoots 38% from the field, a regression from last year. He plays terrible defense. He is a bad rebounder. He took something like 15 games before he even got an assist.

                              We aren't talking about what Tyler was we are talking about what he is. Right now the facts are right there in those links available for your reading pleasure. Tyler Hansbrough is not a good NBA player.

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