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Justin Tyme
03-04-2012, 09:45 PM
I decided to show what the 011 drafted rookies are doing so far this season. Keep in mind that the MPG is only in the games they have played which differ between players. It's just a rough picture of what the rookies are doing. Some drafted players are in Europe. Less than 1 of anything and I just gave a 0. That's why you won't see some players with ASTS, etc.




1) Kyrie Irving 31 MPG... 47% FG... 42% 3PT... 86% FT... 3.5 REB... 5 AST... 18.5 PPG

2) Der Williams 19 MPG... 45% FG... 31% 3PT... 63% FT... 4 REB... 7.8 PPG

3) Enes Kanter 14 MPG... 47% FG... 0% 3PT... 67% FT... 5 REB... 5 PPG

4) T Thompson 19 MPG... 43% FG... 0% 3PT... 46% FT... 6 REB... 7.3 PPG

5) Jan Valanciunas... EUROPE

6) Jan Vesely... 15 MPG... 48% FG... 0% 3PT... 38% FT... 3 REB... 3 PPG

7) Bismack Biyombo... 16 MPG... 49% FG... 0% 3PT... 41% FT... 4.5 REB... 3.8 PPG

8) Brandon Knight... 32 MPG... 41% FG... 37% 3PT... 80% FT... 3.5 REB... 3.4 AST... 13 PPG

9) Kemba Walker... 28 MPG... 36% FG... 34% 3PT... 79% FT... 3.8 REB... 4 AST... 13 PPG

10) Jimmer Fred... 20 MPG... 39% FG... 39% 3PT... 89% FT... 1 REB... 2 AST... 8 PPG

11) K. Thompson... 16 MPG... 44% FG... 44% 3PT... 78% FT... 2 REB... 1 AST
... 7.3 PPG

12) Alec Burks... 12 MPG... 44% FG... 35% 3PT... 68% FT... 2 REB... 6 PPG

13) Marieff Morris... 20 MPG... 39% FG... 40% 3PT... 69% FT... 5 REB... 1 AST
... 7.8 PPG

14) Marcus Morris... 4 MPG... 20% FG... 0% 3PT... 50% FT... 1.2 PPG

15) Kawhi Leonard... 23 MPG... 46% FG... 33% 3PT... 70% FT... 5 REB... 1 AST... 7 PPG

16) Nicola Vucevic... 17 MPG... 52% FG... 43% 3PT... 54% FT... 5 REB... 6.3 PPG

17) Iman Shumpert... 30 MPG... 38% FG... 26% 3PT... 84% FT... 3 REB... 3 AST... 10.4 PPG

18) Chris Singleton... 20 MPG... 36% FG... 33% 3PT... 74% FT... 3 REB... 4 PPG

19) Tobias Harris... 11 MPG... 45% FG... 30% 3PT... 80% FT... 2.4 REB... 5.5 PPG

20) Donatas Motiejunas... EUROPE

21) Nolan Smith... 6 MPG... 29% FG... 27% 3 PT... 60% FT... 1 REB... 1 AST
... 2 PPG

22) Kenneth Faried... 17 MPG... 57% FG... 0 3PT... 66% FT... 6.6 REB... 8 PPG

23) Nikola Mirotic... EUROPE

24) Reggie Jackson... 12 MPG... 32% FG... 22% 3PT... 85% FT... 1 REB... 1.6 AST... 3.6 PPG

25) MarShon Brooks... 30 MPG... 44% FG... 36% 3PT... 78% FT... 4 REB... 2 AST... 14.1 PPG

26) Jord Hamilton... 10 MPG... 39% FG... 43% 3PT... 66% FT... 2.8 REB... 5 PPG

27) JuJu Johnson... 8 MPG... 53% FG... 0% 3PT... 57% FT... 1.5 REB... 4 PPG

28) Norris Cole... 21 MPG... 41% FG... 28% 3PT... 81% FT... 1.6 REB... 2.5 AST... 8.5 PPG

29) Cory Joseph... 8 MPG... 35% FG... 25% 3PT... 63% FT... 1.2 REB... 2 PPG

30) Jim Butler... 7 MPG... 50% FG... 55% 3PT... 80% FT... 1 REB... 2.4 PPG


SOME OF THE 2ND ROUND ROOKIES WHO GET 10 MPG OR MORE PT

34) Shelvin Mack... 10 MPG... 41% FG... 34% 3PT... 63% FT... 1.4 REB... 1.6 AST... 3PPG

38) Chan Parsons... 26 MPG... 43% FG... 28% 3PT... 36% FT... 4.6 REB... 7.6 PPG

40) Jon Leuer... 13 MPG.. 51% FG... 25% 3 PT... 79% FT... 2.8 REB... 5.3 PPG

41) Darius Morris... 10 MPG... 52% FG... 60% 3PT... 66% FT... 1 AST... 3 PPG

45) Josh Harrellson... 18 MPG... 41% FG... 35% 3PT... 50% FT... 4.3 REB...
5 PPG

46) A Goudelock... 11 MPG... 40% FG... 36% 3PT... 100% FT... 4.6 PPG

50) Lavoy Allen... 17 MPG... 49% FG... 0% 3PT... 72% FT... 5 REB... 1 AST...
5 PPG

60) Isaiah Thomas... 20 MPG... 42% FG... 36% 3PT... 85% FT... 2 REB.. 3 AST... 8.5 PPG

Lance George
03-04-2012, 10:23 PM
Of the top-10 (qualified) rookie scorers, four of them were taken outside of the top-20.

2. MarShon Brooks, 14.1 ppg, 25th
7. Isaiah Thomas, 9.2 ppg, 60th (last)
8. Norris Cole, 8.3 ppg, 28th
10. Kenneth Faried, 8.1 ppg, 22nd

Faried also leads all rookies in rebounding (6.6 rpg), and is third in blocks (1.12 bpg). All this is less than 18 minutes a night. I think you could make a strong argument that he's been the steal of the draft so far, even ahead of Brooks and Thomas.

Nuntius
03-04-2012, 10:23 PM
Great job, Justin ;)

Would you want me to compile the stats of the draftees that are still in Europe?

Nuntius
03-04-2012, 10:26 PM
Faried also leads all rookies in rebounding (6.6 rpg), and is third in blocks (1.12 bpg). All this is less than 18 minutes a night. I think you could make a strong argument that he's been the steal of the draft so far, even ahead of Brooks and Thomas.

Well, when you take your chances on a rebounding and defensive big man then more often than not you're gonna be rewarded ;)

Justin Tyme
03-04-2012, 10:53 PM
Great job, Justin ;)

Would you want me to compile the stats of the draftees that are still in Europe?



Please do! That would be wonderful!

Justin Tyme
03-04-2012, 10:59 PM
I realize these are rookies and some don't get much PT, but there are some terrible shooting % in this draft.

croz24
03-04-2012, 11:11 PM
Lol wasn't the vast majority of this board against drafting Faried simply because he was "undersized" as a 4? Recall getting into several debates on that topic...

Lance George
03-04-2012, 11:26 PM
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Sparhawk
03-05-2012, 07:51 AM
I still have hope that next year we'll be able to get Reggie Jackson. Really sucked that Maynor went down.

Reggie Jackson for Price + 2nd rounder swap.

danman
03-05-2012, 08:24 AM
There's a thread about ex-Pacers and their performances, but I never feel like any of them were a big loss.

Kawhi Leonard, on the other hand... I think he's going to have a good career. Real good.

Justin Tyme
03-05-2012, 10:34 AM
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WOW! Thanks for posting this. It would have saved me hours upon hours of putting my stats together and posting them. It's nice to know in the future.

ECKrueger
03-05-2012, 10:36 AM
27) JuJu Johnson, really Justin? :)

Justin Tyme
03-05-2012, 10:36 AM
Lol wasn't the vast majority of this board against drafting Faried simply because he was "undersized" as a 4? Recall getting into several debates on that topic...


IIRC, Faried's size was a major concern as well as his ability to score.

Dgreenwell3
03-05-2012, 10:42 AM
Kawhi Leonard, on the other hand... I think he's going to have a good career. Real good.

Is he not a young Richard Jefferson? He stays healthy and he could be that new tweener SF but I think he has the athleticism to stick at the 3...

Doddage
03-05-2012, 10:48 AM
Is he not a young Richard Jefferson? He stays healthy and he could be that new tweener SF but I think he has the athleticism to stick at the 3...
Much better rebounder and defender than a young Jefferson. RJ has always been a better scorer though.

danman
03-05-2012, 11:20 AM
Not sure if I have an exact comparison for Kawhi. Plus rebounder, plus physical, plus defense, good handle. Not polished, but it's not hard to see him as a glue guy. Basketball smart, too.

pacergod2
03-05-2012, 11:24 AM
A young Gerald Wallace who relies a little more on his basketball IQ than athleticism. I think Leonard is more polished than Wallace when he came in, but that may have been due to the ages in which they came into the league.

Nuntius
03-05-2012, 11:51 AM
Let's start:

Jonas Valančiūnas: Jonas plays in his native Lithuania for Lietuvos Rytas. Lietuvos was on the qualifying round of Euroleague but failed to qualify as they lost in the Finals from Galatasaray.

Jonas averaged 8 PPG (on 50 FG% and 83.3 FT%), 6.3 RPG and 1.3 BPG in 18.3 MPG. The sample size of this is only 3 game long. He only started once in the lineup.

After failing to qualify, Lietuvos went to the Eurocup. There the team played 12 games. Jonas didn't miss a match and started in 11 of these 12 games.

He averaged 10.8 PPG (on 64.5% shooting from the field and 80% shooting from the line), 7.8 RPG, 1.6 BPG and 1 APG in 23.1 MPG. Quite good stats for a guy who turned 20 only 4 days ago.

In the Lithuanian league he is averaging 16.1 PPG (on a whooping 72.3 FG% and 87 FT%), 7.6 RPG, 1.9 BPG and leads the whole league in Efficiency with a tremendous 23.9 rating (the player who is second in Efficiency only has 18.5). All of this in only 23.9 MPG.

In the VTB League (a league that consists of several Ex-USSR teams) he is averaging 10.5 PPG (on 60 FG% and 75.4 FT%), 7.9 RPG and 1.6 BPG in 22.3 MPG. His TPG are at 1.6. His team is close to making to the playoffs of said league. His efficiency is at 16.4

The only knock on his season so far is that he is turnover prone as he averages a little more than 2 TOs per game.

But other than that, the kid has a bright future ahead of him. Excellent on the pick and roll, good athleticism, great size, terrific touch around the rim. I can see him blending amazingly in Toronto along with Calderon.

Donatas Motiejūnas: Donatas plays for the Polish side Asseco Prokom Gdynia. His team didn't make it into the second round of the Euroleague but he played solid during the first round. He was actually their leader.

In the Euroleague he averaged 12.5 PPG (on 53.1 2PT FG%, 30.4 3PT FG%, 45.5 FT%), 7.9 RPG, 0.9 APG and 0.8 BPG in 31.1 MPG. He started in all 10 of his team's games. He was at 2.3 TPG (similar number with Jonas).

In the Polish league he is averaging 11.3 PPG (on 53 2PT FG%, 75 3PT FG%, 70 FT%), 3 RPG and 1 SPG along with 1.7 TPG in 21.5 MPG. His team has only played 3 games, though.

In the VTB league he is averaging 13.6 PPG (on 54 2PT FG%, 34.2 3PT FG% and 66.2 FT%), 7.5 RPG and 0.7 SPG. His TPG are at 1.7. His team is in the same group as Jonas' team but is not as likely to make the playoffs. He is at 14.5 Efficiency.

Donatas is a weird case. He wants to shoot and wants to score. He is not known as a good shot blocker or a good rebounder. However, this year he broke Euroleague's defensive rebounding record by pulling down 18 boards in one game. He is a good shooter and likes to take mid range shooter and 3 point shots but for some reason he is a very shaky FT shooter. Jonas, on the other hand, is a great FT shooter despite having an inside game offensively (he does not take jumpers often and I don't remember him ever taking a 3 point shot).

Nikola Mirotić: Nikola plays for powerhouse Real Madrid and was recently naturalized as Spanish despite being Montenegrin in origin. He'll certainly become a member of Spain's national team and play alongside the Gasol brothers, Navarro, Calderon, Fernandez and Ibaka.

In the Euroleague he averaged 12.5 PPG (on 57 2PT FG%, 43.9 3PT FG% and 91.8 FT%, 56/61 to be precise), 4.5 RPG, 0.9 APG and 0.8 SPG in 23.3 MPG. His TPG are at 1.3. He has played in all 16 of Real's games and has started in 15 of them. His team was knocked out a week ago.

In the Spanish league (Liga ACB) he is averaging 9.7 PPG (on 54 2PT FG%, 39 3PT FG% and 80 FT%), 3.7 RPG and 0.6 APG in 17 MPG.

Nikola has the same size with Beasley and they play a similar style. He is a very solid player and will make a nice career in the NBA.

Here's a video of him hitting the winning shot with 0.4 seconds remaining (around the 3:11 mark) to lift Real Madrid over Unicaja Malaga:

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Ok, this was more lengthy than I imagined. These were the Euros that were picked in 1st round of the draft. I'll do the ones who were picked in the 2nd round later.

Nuntius
03-05-2012, 01:24 PM
So, I'll do the second round draftees after the game or tomorrow. I'll only do the guys who are in Europe. Therefore, I will not revisit Keith Benson (D-League), Chukwudiebere Maduabum (probably D-League) and Tanguy Ngombo (Qatar).

xIndyFan
03-05-2012, 01:32 PM
I decided to show what the 011 drafted rookies are doing so far this season. Keep in mind that the MPG is only in the games they have played which differ between players. It's just a rough picture of what the rookies are doing. Some drafted players are in Europe. Less than 1 of anything and I just gave a 0. That's why you won't see some players with ASTS, etc.




1) Kyrie Irving 31 MPG... 47% FG... 42% 3PT... 86% FT... 3.5 REB... 5 AST... 18.5 PPG

2) Der Williams 19 MPG... 45% FG... 31% 3PT... 63% FT... 4 REB... 7.8 PPG

3) Enes Kanter 14 MPG... 47% FG... 0% 3PT... 67% FT... 5 REB... 5 PPG

4) T Thompson 19 MPG... 43% FG... 0% 3PT... 46% FT... 6 REB... 7.3 PPG

5) Jan Valanciunas... EUROPE

6) Jan Vesely... 15 MPG... 48% FG... 0% 3PT... 38% FT... 3 REB... 3 PPG

7) Bismack Biyombo... 16 MPG... 49% FG... 0% 3PT... 41% FT... 4.5 REB... 3.8 PPG

8) Brandon Knight... 32 MPG... 41% FG... 37% 3PT... 80% FT... 3.5 REB... 3.4 AST... 13 PPG

9) Kemba Walker... 28 MPG... 36% FG... 34% 3PT... 79% FT... 3.8 REB... 4 AST... 13 PPG

10) Jimmer Fred... 20 MPG... 39% FG... 39% 3PT... 89% FT... 1 REB... 2 AST... 8 PPG

11) K. Thompson... 16 MPG... 44% FG... 44% 3PT... 78% FT... 2 REB... 1 AST
... 7.3 PPG

12) Alec Burks... 12 MPG... 44% FG... 35% 3PT... 68% FT... 2 REB... 6 PPG

13) Marieff Morris... 20 MPG... 39% FG... 40% 3PT... 69% FT... 5 REB... 1 AST
... 7.8 PPG

14) Marcus Morris... 4 MPG... 20% FG... 0% 3PT... 50% FT... 1.2 PPG

15) Kawhi Leonard... 23 MPG... 46% FG... 33% 3PT... 70% FT... 5 REB... 1 AST... 7 PPG

16) Nicola Vucevic... 17 MPG... 52% FG... 43% 3PT... 54% FT... 5 REB... 6.3 PPG

17) Iman Shumpert... 30 MPG... 38% FG... 26% 3PT... 84% FT... 3 REB... 3 AST... 10.4 PPG

18) Chris Singleton... 20 MPG... 36% FG... 33% 3PT... 74% FT... 3 REB... 4 PPG

19) Tobias Harris... 11 MPG... 45% FG... 30% 3PT... 80% FT... 2.4 REB... 5.5 PPG

20) Donatas Motiejunas... EUROPE

21) Nolan Smith... 6 MPG... 29% FG... 27% 3 PT... 60% FT... 1 REB... 1 AST
... 2 PPG

22) Kenneth Faried... 17 MPG... 57% FG... 0 3PT... 66% FT... 6.6 REB... 8 PPG

23) Nikola Mirotic... EUROPE

24) Reggie Jackson... 12 MPG... 32% FG... 22% 3PT... 85% FT... 1 REB... 1.6 AST... 3.6 PPG

25) MarShon Brooks... 30 MPG... 44% FG... 36% 3PT... 78% FT... 4 REB... 2 AST... 14.1 PPG

26) Jord Hamilton... 10 MPG... 39% FG... 43% 3PT... 66% FT... 2.8 REB... 5 PPG

27) JuJu Johnson... 8 MPG... 53% FG... 0% 3PT... 57% FT... 1.5 REB... 4 PPG

28) Norris Cole... 21 MPG... 41% FG... 28% 3PT... 81% FT... 1.6 REB... 2.5 AST... 8.5 PPG

29) Cory Joseph... 8 MPG... 35% FG... 25% 3PT... 63% FT... 1.2 REB... 2 PPG

30) Jim Butler... 7 MPG... 50% FG... 55% 3PT... 80% FT... 1 REB... 2.4 PPG


SOME OF THE 2ND ROUND ROOKIES WHO GET 10 MPG OR MORE PT

34) Shelvin Mack... 10 MPG... 41% FG... 34% 3PT... 63% FT... 1.4 REB... 1.6 AST... 3PPG

38) Chan Parsons... 26 MPG... 43% FG... 28% 3PT... 36% FT... 4.6 REB... 7.6 PPG

40) Jon Leuer... 13 MPG.. 51% FG... 25% 3 PT... 79% FT... 2.8 REB... 5.3 PPG

41) Darius Morris... 10 MPG... 52% FG... 60% 3PT... 66% FT... 1 AST... 3 PPG

45) Josh Harrellson... 18 MPG... 41% FG... 35% 3PT... 50% FT... 4.3 REB...
5 PPG

46) A Goudelock... 11 MPG... 40% FG... 36% 3PT... 100% FT... 4.6 PPG

50) Lavoy Allen... 17 MPG... 49% FG... 0% 3PT... 72% FT... 5 REB... 1 AST...
5 PPG

60) Isaiah Thomas... 20 MPG... 42% FG... 36% 3PT... 85% FT... 2 REB.. 3 AST... 8.5 PPG

seems to me this year is a misleading year to judge rookies in. with the condensed schedule, there are guys getting court time that wouldn't in a normal 82 game season. and guys that might get 5 or 10 mpg are getting 20-25 instead.

this rookie bunch looks like they are making contributions, but in reality most of them are filling minutes that in a normal year would be given to guys that can really play.

Lance George
03-05-2012, 01:42 PM
WOW! Thanks for posting this. It would have saved me hours upon hours of putting my stats together and posting them. It's nice to know in the future.

The stats are updated every night.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2011.html

Just click on Share (the line of text at the top of the stat box), then click on iframe in the yellow box that pops up. It'll give you a code that you can insert into the message board to post the.

Also, you can delete certain stat fields or players you don't want in the iframe by clicking on the red X next to them. I deleted the college field, since it took up too much space, and the whole win share stats at the end.

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/5484/96872361.png

pacers74
03-05-2012, 03:26 PM
Marshon Brooks is the biggest steal of the draft. Kembo is another solid pick, but Irving is for real and might be the only all-star out of that draft.

pacer4ever
03-07-2012, 08:52 PM
the results IMO you can throw out with no camp and no summer league most rookies are far behind. Shooting is down across the board due to the lack of preparation and lockout next year will really IMO be more like a real rookie season for these guys. Which is why when a guy like Irving is having the season he is having is just scary. Kids going to be scary good in a few years been very impressed with him even more so than I was at Duke which is hard for me to imagine because I loved this kids game last year in college now that he is completely healthy he looks even better than I could of expected for a rookie with no camp.