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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

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A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

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It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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"Clipper Darrell" is no more thanks to Clippers Management

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  • "Clipper Darrell" is no more thanks to Clippers Management

    http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2012...ce=twitterfeed

    Los Angeles Clippers Management Turns Their Back On Clipper Darrell
    Fans, NBA, Twitter Stephen Douglas (CRM!) February 29th. 2012, 5:25pmThe Los Angeles Clippers have been one of the worst franchises in American professional sports for decades. Now that they are experiencing some success behind the play of Blake Griffin and Chris Paul, they’re leaving their biggest, most visible fan out in the cold. Darrell Bailey – better known as “Clipper Darrell” – has been asked by the organization to drop “Clipper” form his moniker. From Clipper Darrell’s official site:

    It is with great sadness that I must report to all those in NBA NATION that I have been told by Clipper management they no longer want me to be Clipper Darrell, a name that was given to me by the media because of my unwavering support and team spirit. I am devastated!!!!

    It’s good to see that a little success will never change a truly awful organization. More:

    I have been a season ticket holder for over a decade and a FAN for over 15 years and have dedicated a major part of my life to support the Clipper organization and it’s players no matter what the season’s outcome. Over the years (400 home games) I have gone to great lengths to show my appreciation and loyalty in my attire, the car I drive and in my very own home. I’ve taken seriously the mantra of being “Clipper Darrell” in performing community service, mentoring young children and my participation in outreach programs. I’ve appreciated the struggles of the team to overcome obstacles as I’ve done in my life. I felt vindicated for all the years we as Clipper fans have gone through trials and tribulations and NOW we have a team that can win it all. Yesterday was the hardest day of my life, I felt powerless as a fan, as I was stripped of my identity however, no one can take away my heart and the love I have for my team!

    I’ve never been been a big fan of “Super Fans,” but that doesn’t mean I don’t see their value. It’s incredibly short-sighted and dumb to turn your back on the one person who is most closely identified with your pitiful team. LA management had no problem when Clipper Darrell was a sideshow who got them something besides negative attention.

    They put up with his shtick for more than a decade. This is just bad P.R. Especially, when you consider that L.A.’s two biggest stars, Blake Griffin and Chris Paul, have already tweeted their support of Darrell. These are two guys you want to sign long-term contracts. As nice as Los Angeles is, this is just more proof that these are the same old Clippers.

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    Re: "Clipper Darrell" is no more thanks to Clippers Management

    A little success doesn't stop the Clippers from being, "The Clippers"!

    Color me surprised!
    ...Still "flying casual"
    @roaminggnome74

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    • #3
      Re: "Clipper Darrell" is no more thanks to Clippers Management

      Ain't that some ********?!

      And as a true fan... it sounds like he is still going to support them...

      I would love to hear the Clippers spin on this story...
      Nothing in life worth having comes easy.

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      • #4
        Re: "Clipper Darrell" is no more thanks to Clippers Management

        Hope this never happens to El Pacero

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        • #5
          I don't get it. An organization can't just make someone drop a nickname you have... just say no to them and keep your name.

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          • #6
            Re: "Clipper Darrell" is no more thanks to Clippers Management

            Dude I don't know what I would feel like in his shoes. I love my Pacers.
            On one hand you would be upset and feel betrayed. On the other hand its just the PR guys. I probably would have told them to Su#k it and then had my name leagally changed to Clipper Daryl. (and had a giant name tag made that says "Hi my name is Clipper Daryl." but then again thats just me.) On the other hand maybe he is just tired of being Clipper Daryl and wants to come to the game as a normal fan.
            Last edited by kielbeze; 02-29-2012, 07:54 PM.

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            • #7
              Re: "Clipper Darrell" is no more thanks to Clippers Management

              Originally posted by Raoul Duke View Post
              Hope this never happens to El Pacero
              I hope they unmask El Pacero at halftime in the playoffs this year.
              And tell him he has to move to Ft Wayne. And tell him he has to change his name to the Mexican Mad Ant

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              • #8
                Re: "Clipper Darrell" is no more thanks to Clippers Management

                The problem with trademarks is they have to be vigorously defended (unlike copyright which doesn't lapse if you miss someone who infringes). I wonder if that has anything to do with it?
                BillS

                A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                  Re: "Clipper Darrell" is no more thanks to Clippers Management

                  Originally posted by Ownagedood View Post
                  I don't get it. An organization can't just make someone drop a nickname you have... just say no to them and keep your name.
                  I'm sure it was a trademark issue. If he was selling stuff that said "Clipper Darrell" I could understand, or were involved in excessive self-promotion, since I am sure that they own the Clipper trademark.

                  I am sure that for example you couldn't just open a restaurant called "Pacers Pizza".

                  I suppose if "Pacers Digest" were something other than a place where people support the Pacers in general and aren't making a buck on the concept, then this site could be asked to change its name.

                  It will be interesting to hear the other side
                  The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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                    Re: "Clipper Darrell" is no more thanks to Clippers Management

                    Originally posted by Slick Pinkham View Post
                    I am sure that for example you couldn't just open a restaurant called "Pacers Pizza".
                    I am not a lawyer.

                    But, you could open "Pacers Pizza" under certain circumstances, mostly that your colors, logo, and pretty much everything else cannot be confused with the Pacers basketball franchise.

                    A basketball team called the Pacers would be right out.
                    BillS

                    A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                    Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                    • #11
                      Re: "Clipper Darrell" is no more thanks to Clippers Management

                      Clippers management is retarded.
                      First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                        Re: "Clipper Darrell" is no more thanks to Clippers Management

                        Originally posted by Slick Pinkham View Post
                        I suppose if "Pacers Digest" were something other than a place where people support the Pacers in general and aren't making a buck on the concept, then this site could be asked to change its name.
                        This was my first thought. What if they make Hicks change the forum's name to Herb's Digest? So much drug traffic.
                        You Got The Tony!!!!!!

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                          Re: "Clipper Darrell" is no more thanks to Clippers Management

                          Originally posted by kielbeze View Post
                          I hope they unmask El Pacero at halftime in the playoffs this year.
                          And tell him he has to move to Ft Wayne. And tell him he has to change his name to the Mexican Mad Ant
                          I guess they have to find some way to draw the crowds back....
                          "We've got to be very clear about this. We don't want our players hanging around with murderers," said Larry Bird, Pacers president.

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                          • #14
                            Re: "Clipper Darrell" is no more thanks to Clippers Management

                            Trademark is likely why Hicks has the note at the bottom of the page:

                            An unofficial fan website. We are in no way affiliated with the NBA, the Indiana Pacers, or Pacers Sports & Entertainment.

                            Maybe you could do that with my hypothetical "Pacers Pizza": An unofficial pizza joint. Though we sell blue breadsticks with gold dipping sauce, accompanied with a tall frosty mug of beer called "The Slick Special", we are in no way affiliated with the NBA, the Indiana Pacers, or Pacers Sports & Entertainment.
                            The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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                            • #15
                              Re: "Clipper Darrell" is no more thanks to Clippers Management

                              Wow, they really don't like the guy
                              http://clippers.ocregister.com/2012/...ipper-darrell/

                              The Clippers have done absolutely nothing wrong or inappropriate as it concerns Darrell Bailey. His claims are absurd and unfounded. He has never been an employee or representative of the Clippers organization, and therefore cannot be terminated. The Clippers have never engaged Mr. Bailey’s services. When he has been in need, the organization has regularly provided him a seat for games. No good deed goes unpunished.

                              We have had multiple conversations with him concerning his inappropriate use of the Clippers’ team name and trademark for his own unmonitored commercial gain. We have spoken to him repeatedly about his desire to make public appearances in ways which improperly suggest that he is officially affiliated with our organization. In all cases and over a long period of time, he has consistently rejected our efforts to operate in consultation.

                              In a conversation with an authoritative and tenured Clippers’ executive last week, he was asked again to either consult with the team on all public appearances and/or commercial ventures, or stop undertaking those opportunities representing himself inappropriately. His response was an offer to stop representing himself commercially in that way and his offer was accepted in principle.

                              The next thing we heard was the baseless claims he has made today and the ensuing media rush to judgment.

                              We hold all of our fans in the highest esteem and we have been patient and generous with Mr. Bailey. He has not returned our support in an honorable way. He is not actually a fan of the Clippers, but a fan of what he can make off of the Clippers. We are no longer interested in that kind of association with him, and that is why we accepted his offer to remove our team name from his stage name.

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