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Peck
02-23-2012, 05:30 PM
2012 Attendance Home Road Overall
RK TEAM GMS TOTAL AVG PCT GMS AVG PCT GMS AVG PCT


1 Bulls 15 329,058 21,937 104.9 20 17,922 93.6 35 19,643 98.7
2 Trail Blazers 18 369,128 20,507 102.6 16 16,564 87.8 34 18,651 95.9
3 Mavericks 19 384,786 20,251 105.5 15 17,134 88.8 34 18,876 98.1
4 Heat 16 318,688 19,918 101.6 17 18,972 98.1 33 19,430 99.8
5 NY Knicks 19 375,497 19,763 100.0 15 17,665 91.4 34 18,837 96.3
6 Jazz 18 348,635 19,368 97.3 14 17,303 92.1 32 18,465 95.1
7 Clippers 16 308,292 19,268 101.1 15 19,451 99.4 31 19,356 100.3
8 Lakers 16 303,952 18,997 99.7 17 19,178 99.8 33 19,090 99.7
9 Magic 18 339,721 18,873 102.0 16 16,560 87.2 34 17,784 94.9
10 Warriors 18 337,586 18,754 95.7 12 15,445 81.5 30 17,431 90.1
11 Celtics 19 353,856 18,624 100.0 13 18,569 95.0 32 18,601 97.9
12 Thunder 15 273,045 18,203 100.0 18 17,775 94.5 33 17,969 97.0
13 Spurs 14 254,056 18,146 97.7 19 16,540 86.8 33 17,221 91.4
14 Timberwolves 20 343,496 17,174 88.7 14 16,220 86.3 34 16,782 87.8
15 Bobcats 14 235,535 16,823 88.2 18 16,628 85.9 32 16,713 86.9
16 Nuggets 16 268,590 16,786 87.6 18 16,953 89.7 34 16,875 88.7
17 Raptors 16 267,397 16,712 84.4 17 17,662 90.9 33 17,201 87.7
18 Wizards 17 276,573 16,269 80.6 16 16,865 86.8 33 16,558 83.6
19 76ers 19 308,731 16,249 80.0 15 17,024 89.0 34 16,590 83.8
20 Cavaliers 17 269,392 15,846 77.1 14 17,601 91.0 31 16,639 83.1
21 Suns 16 244,794 15,299 83.1 18 17,739 94.4 34 16,591 89.1
22 Hawks 14 212,671 15,190 81.1 19 17,114 88.8 33 16,298 85.6
23 Grizzlies 18 270,918 15,051 83.1 16 16,645 87.0 34 15,801 85.0
24 Kings 12 179,099 14,924 86.2 21 16,763 85.9 33 16,095 86.0
25 Bucks 15 221,447 14,763 78.9 18 16,806 86.2 33 15,877 82.9
26 Hornets 17 243,144 14,302 83.7 16 15,931 83.8 33 15,092 83.8
27 Rockets 18 256,920 14,273 79.1 16 17,252 91.0 34 15,675 84.9
28 Nets 16 222,153 13,884 75.1 19 16,699 84.9 35 15,412 80.6
29 Pacers 14 193,047 13,789 75.9 19 16,199 83.7 33 15,177 80.5
30 Pistons 18 240,439 13,357 60.5 17 15,987 83.3 35 14,635 70.8


http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance

I hope Scott Pollard is not reading this.

Sadly almost every time that the team has had a near capacity crowd or at the least good crowd they have either blown a game or just flat out didn't compete. Also while they have been winning home games a lot of fans are not going to flock to the fieldhouse to see the Bobcats/Hornets during weekdays.

I hope it picks up in the second half but the Pacers are going to have to do their part and not stink up the floor. Beating a good team at home would be nice.

Atlanta & Utah are the only good teams we have beaten at home and while we did beat Boston here this was prior to them haveing a mild resurgence.

We have a lot more home games in the second half so maybe people will come, but the team is going to have to get some wins over real teams in the fieldhouse I think to get people to actually come to see them.

Paul winning the dunk contest would help as well.

billbradley
02-23-2012, 05:36 PM
Bobcats at #15?

Kind of serious, not sure if I trust this list.

Wells tweeted this from last night's game v. Bobcats.

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/5607/hatlr.png

ECKrueger
02-23-2012, 05:38 PM
If any one wants to see it without taking the large amount of time required to click the link...

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x158/eckrueger/ScreenShot2012-02-23at43635PM.png

Pretty sad numbers for us...

Aw Heck
02-23-2012, 05:46 PM
Indianapolis needs a star they can get behind. For the Colts, obviously, that was Peyton. For the Pacers, it was Reggie Miller, from the mid-90's until his retirement.

The Pacers don't have that now. There are players that we like on the team, obviously. But we're hardcore fans.

Who can the general public point to on this team and get excited about?

The Pacers will need some success in the playoffs or at least need to create some lasting memories (8 points in 8.9 seconds, Memorial Day Miracle, Reggie's 3 over Jordan in '98) before people start showing up en masse.

ksuttonjr76
02-23-2012, 05:47 PM
What's our seating capacity though?

PacersHomer
02-23-2012, 05:47 PM
Beat good teams at home and win in the playoffs.

The Sleeze
02-23-2012, 05:49 PM
While I think its pretty pathetic that we have a good team yet bad attendance, we haven't really been hosting a lot of good teams that would bring out the crowds. And when we do get good teams it's on a weekday.

So far our home games have been against (a lot of bad teams in there):
Detroit
Cleveland
Charlotte
Atlanta (Wed.)
Boston
Orlando (Tue)
New Jersey
Orlando
Utah
Denver
Miami (Tue)
New Jersey
Charlotte
New Orleans

Cactus Jax
02-23-2012, 05:52 PM
I'm assuming the 75.9% is the capacity percentage. Wow the Pistons have really dropped off.

Smits Happens
02-23-2012, 05:52 PM
How could some teams be over 100% capacity? They don't have SRO for basketball games do they?

The Sleeze
02-23-2012, 05:54 PM
What's our seating capacity though?

The percentage (PCT) of seats filled stat (capacity) is right beside the average attendance number. If you go off that we move up to 28th ahead of the Nets so really its irrelevant.

Since86
02-23-2012, 05:57 PM
How could some teams be over 100% capacity? They don't have SRO for basketball games do they?

:shrug: Looks like some actually do. Take American Airlines Arena (Dallas) for example. According to it's wiki page, (I know, I know...) the total capacity is 19,200 up to 21,146 with standing room.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Center

Aw Heck
02-23-2012, 05:57 PM
I just hope the numbers really pick up over the next couple of years.

Otherwise, who could blame Herb Simon if he just shrugged his shoulders, said, "maybe Indiana doesn't want a basketball team anymore," and sold the team to someone who wanted to move it elsewhere?

Gamble1
02-23-2012, 05:58 PM
What does this really mean? People are not going to games but they are watching the Pacers on TV and that number has gone up a lot.

The Sleeze
02-23-2012, 06:00 PM
How could some teams be over 100% capacity? They don't have SRO for basketball games do they?

Do they count suites?

Pacersalltheway10
02-23-2012, 06:01 PM
Can a team survive on TV broadcasts?

presto123
02-23-2012, 06:02 PM
That's just plain ridiculous in a sports town and basketball state. I think our lack of a true NBA star(not Granger) hurts the attendance a bit. Problem is the stars don't want to come to this market. Catch 22. The more we keep on winning the better the team will look in the future for FA and possible trades.

MagicRat
02-23-2012, 06:09 PM
<TABLE style="WIDTH: 210pt; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=279 border=0><COLGROUP><COL style="WIDTH: 116pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 5668" width=155><COL style="WIDTH: 53pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 2560" width=70><COL style="WIDTH: 41pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 1974" width=54><TBODY><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; FONT-WEIGHT: 700; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; BACKGROUND: #e5e0ec; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; WIDTH: 116pt; COLOR: black; BORDER-BOTTOM: #b2a1c7 0.5pt solid; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline-style: none; text-line-through: none; mso-pattern: #E5E0EC none" width=155 height=17>Day</TD><TD class=xl70 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; FONT-WEIGHT: 700; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; BACKGROUND: #e5e0ec; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; WIDTH: 53pt; COLOR: black; BORDER-BOTTOM: #b2a1c7 0.5pt solid; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline-style: none; text-line-through: none; mso-pattern: #E5E0EC none" width=70>10-11</TD><TD class=xl70 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; FONT-WEIGHT: 700; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; BACKGROUND: #e5e0ec; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; WIDTH: 41pt; COLOR: black; BORDER-BOTTOM: #b2a1c7 0.5pt solid; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline-style: none; text-line-through: none; mso-pattern: #E5E0EC none" width=54>11-12</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none" height=17>Sun</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none"> 13,447 </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none"> 11,673 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Mon</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"> 12,598 </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"> 18,165 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none" height=17>Tue</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none"> 13,050 </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none"> 12,769 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Wed</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"> 12,518 </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"> 10,334 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none" height=17>Fri</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none"> 14,194 </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none"> 13,004 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Sat</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"> 16,374 </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"> 16,227 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none" height=17>Thur</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none"> 12,459 </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none"> 11,117 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #b2a1c7 0.5pt solid; FONT-WEIGHT: 700; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; BACKGROUND: #e5e0ec; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; COLOR: black; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline-style: none; text-line-through: none; mso-pattern: #E5E0EC none" height=17>Grand Total</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #b2a1c7 0.5pt solid; FONT-WEIGHT: 700; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; BACKGROUND: #e5e0ec; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; COLOR: black; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline-style: none; text-line-through: none; mso-pattern: #E5E0EC none"> 13,538 </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #b2a1c7 0.5pt solid; FONT-WEIGHT: 700; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; BACKGROUND: #e5e0ec; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; COLOR: black; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline-style: none; text-line-through: none; mso-pattern: #E5E0EC none"> 13,789 </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

MagicRat
02-23-2012, 06:09 PM
<TABLE style="WIDTH: 210pt; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=279 border=0><COLGROUP><COL style="WIDTH: 116pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 5668" width=155><COL style="WIDTH: 53pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 2560" width=70><COL style="WIDTH: 41pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 1974" width=54><TBODY><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; FONT-WEIGHT: 700; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; BACKGROUND: #e5e0ec; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; WIDTH: 116pt; COLOR: black; BORDER-BOTTOM: #b2a1c7 0.5pt solid; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline-style: none; text-line-through: none; mso-pattern: #E5E0EC none" width=155 height=17>Opponent</TD><TD class=xl70 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; FONT-WEIGHT: 700; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; BACKGROUND: #e5e0ec; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; WIDTH: 53pt; COLOR: black; BORDER-BOTTOM: #b2a1c7 0.5pt solid; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline-style: none; text-line-through: none; mso-pattern: #E5E0EC none" width=70>10-11</TD><TD class=xl70 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; FONT-WEIGHT: 700; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; BACKGROUND: #e5e0ec; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; WIDTH: 41pt; COLOR: black; BORDER-BOTTOM: #b2a1c7 0.5pt solid; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline-style: none; text-line-through: none; mso-pattern: #E5E0EC none" width=54>11-12</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none" height=17>Atl</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none">13,506 </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none">10,334 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Bos</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">17,049 </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">14,203 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none" height=17>Cha</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none">11,698 </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none">14,450 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Chi</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">18,165 </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none" height=17>Cle</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none">12,325 </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none">13,004 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Dal</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">11,204 </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none" height=17>Den</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none">11,122 </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none">15,313 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Det</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">10,802 </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">18,165 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none" height=17>GS</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none">9,557 </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Hou</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">14,414 </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none" height=17>LAC</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none">12,459 </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>LAL</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">18,165 </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none" height=17>Mem</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none">12,630 </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Mia</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">18,165 </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">18,165 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none" height=17>Mil</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none">12,646 </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Min</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">12,559 </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none" height=17>NJ</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none">11,337 </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none">11,263 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>NO</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">12,271 </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">10,508 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none" height=17>NY</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none">13,853 </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>OKC</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">17,155 </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none" height=17>Orl</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none">13,374 </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none">15,463 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Phi</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">13,816 </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none" height=17>Pho</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none">14,168 </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Por</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">11,778 </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none" height=17>SA</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none">14,152 </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Sac</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">13,813 </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none" height=17>Tor</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none">11,094 </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Utah</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">16,205 </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">11,006 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none" height=17>Wash</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none">13,633 </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND: #d8d8d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; mso-pattern: #D8D8D8 none"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-pattern: auto; mso-background-source: auto" height=17></TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-pattern: auto; mso-background-source: auto"></TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #ece9d8; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-pattern: auto; mso-background-source: auto"></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #b2a1c7 0.5pt solid; FONT-WEIGHT: 700; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; BACKGROUND: #e5e0ec; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; COLOR: black; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline-style: none; text-line-through: none; mso-pattern: #E5E0EC none" height=17>Grand Total</TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #b2a1c7 0.5pt solid; FONT-WEIGHT: 700; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; BACKGROUND: #e5e0ec; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; COLOR: black; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline-style: none; text-line-through: none; mso-pattern: #E5E0EC none">13,538 </TD><TD class=xl72 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #ece9d8; BORDER-TOP: #b2a1c7 0.5pt solid; FONT-WEIGHT: 700; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; BACKGROUND: #e5e0ec; BORDER-LEFT: #ece9d8; COLOR: black; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ece9d8; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline-style: none; text-line-through: none; mso-pattern: #E5E0EC none">13,789 </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

LetsTalkPacers
02-23-2012, 06:13 PM
How could some teams be over 100% capacity? They don't have SRO for basketball games do they?
I know the bulls do, because i looked at getting tix for the playoffs

BillS
02-23-2012, 06:15 PM
We're 10-4 at home.

We keep coming up with excuses. First, it's that we don't win at home. Next, it's that we only beat the mediocre teams (or, that the teams we beat are by definition mediocre). Then it's that the only time we play marquee teams we get beat. Then it's not just that we get beat, it's that we "don't bother showing up". For 4 out of 14 games.

I think our excuses are proving wrong, just like the "ticket price" excuse has proved wrong. Somehow we need to find someone who won't just give the sound bite easy answer when asked "what would get you to come to the game"

... cheaper tickets? $10 isn't cheap enough, shouldn't have to sit in the <i>balcony</i>.
... winning team? 10-4 isn't good enough, didn't beat the <i>right</i> teams.
... young team that plays hard? Not good enough if it isn't 100% of the time, kind of an oxymoron when combined with "young team".


The REAL answer is they want the Pacers to BE the Heat, sell front row seats for $1, include a free steak and jersey, and provide a limo to the game.

Whereas they'll pay $100 per seat, $5 for a hot dog, $7 for a Pepsi, to sit in the rafters and watch the TV screens for the Colts, who weren't particularly a "young team" who were "playing hard every game" this year.

To be honest, I think PS&E needs to go on a road trip to every community in Marion County and the immediately surrounding counties and find the people who WILL go to games and get them there.

I mean, really, we're below the HAWKS? Where people can't SPELL "basketball", getting to the game takes an hour if you live IN Atlanta, and concessions take a mortgage to buy?

If I could afford more than 2 season tickets I'd do it.

Gamble1
02-23-2012, 06:18 PM
Can a team survive on TV broadcasts?
No but the revenue sharing should help and the added viewers should help with getting corporate sponsors which is something that fell dramatically after the brawl.

Edit: I am not trying to make excuses its just that attendance will lag especially when people live in a state where you can see good basketball in your own town college or highschool.

BillS
02-23-2012, 06:25 PM
I am not trying to make excuses its just that attendance will lag especially when people live in a state where you can see good basketball in your own town college or highschool.

When I'm not ranting I think this is key.

We are hampered by the lack of an independent broadcast station in Indianapolis that can provide free access to games. If more people could see the games without making a special effort to search them out (read the threads on how hard it is to find the channel on the sat services, and on most of them you have to get a special addendum to get FSI anyway), more of them might decide it's an IN thing to go to the Fieldhouse every so often.

Playoff appearances that put us on globally available national TV are about the only thing that will change it up at this point.

Gamble1
02-23-2012, 06:33 PM
When I'm not ranting I think this is key.

We are hampered by the lack of an independent broadcast station in Indianapolis that can provide free access to games. If more people could see the games without making a special effort to search them out (read the threads on how hard it is to find the channel on the sat services, and on most of them you have to get a special addendum to get FSI anyway), more of them might decide it's an IN thing to go to the Fieldhouse every so often.

Playoff appearances that put us on globally available national TV are about the only thing that will change it up at this point.
Something that the Colts didn't change until they sold out the staduim by winning.

The playoffs will help but I just get the feeling that a lot of basketball fans here are not NBA fans. They don't connect to it and they don't have to when they can see their own town heros or sons play in a big venue (something that Indiana has a lot of for college or highschool).

My brother will drive over an hour to IU but he won't drive 20 minutes to the Pacers. He simply doesn't like the product and we hate to admit this as Pacers fans but he really does have other choices.

Edit: MY overall point is that TV ratings are up and that shows that people are atleast tuned in to the Pacers. Their no longer irrelevant like they were 3 years ago.

vnzla81
02-23-2012, 06:49 PM
Bring and Star and attendance would go up, the team doesn't have anybody exciting at the moment, maybe PG in the future but not right now.

Peck
02-23-2012, 07:00 PM
We're 10-4 at home.

We keep coming up with excuses. First, it's that we don't win at home. Next, it's that we only beat the mediocre teams (or, that the teams we beat are by definition mediocre). Then it's that the only time we play marquee teams we get beat. Then it's not just that we get beat, it's that we "don't bother showing up". For 4 out of 14 games.

I think our excuses are proving wrong, just like the "ticket price" excuse has proved wrong. Somehow we need to find someone who won't just give the sound bite easy answer when asked "what would get you to come to the game"

... cheaper tickets? $10 isn't cheap enough, shouldn't have to sit in the <i>balcony</i>.
... winning team? 10-4 isn't good enough, didn't beat the <i>right</i> teams.
... young team that plays hard? Not good enough if it isn't 100% of the time, kind of an oxymoron when combined with "young team".


The REAL answer is they want the Pacers to BE the Heat, sell front row seats for $1, include a free steak and jersey, and provide a limo to the game.

Whereas they'll pay $100 per seat, $5 for a hot dog, $7 for a Pepsi, to sit in the rafters and watch the TV screens for the Colts, who weren't particularly a "young team" who were "playing hard every game" this year.

To be honest, I think PS&E needs to go on a road trip to every community in Marion County and the immediately surrounding counties and find the people who WILL go to games and get them there.

I mean, really, we're below the HAWKS? Where people can't SPELL "basketball", getting to the game takes an hour if you live IN Atlanta, and concessions take a mortgage to buy?

If I could afford more than 2 season tickets I'd do it.

Bill you may not like the answer but it can not be denied as a possibility.

Remember you are NOT a casual fan, that is who they are trying to reach.

Casual fans are going to come see LeBron or Dwight Howard, they are not going to go out of their way to come see the Hawks (even though they are a good team there is no star power) same for Utah.

So when we have had the big names in here (ie the Heat & Magic) we were crushed by a Magic team that did not have Dwight Howard for the majority of the game because of early foul trouble and then another time to the Magic where our last lead came at the 8:45 mark of the first quarter at 7-6. After that we never had a lead for the entire game.

Do we even need to talk about the Heat?

The only team that we have beaten at home that the casual fan might have gone to see was the Boston Celtics.

I'm sorry but I think that if I was John Q. Casual and the only game I atteneded at the start of the season was the Heat game then I walk away thinking of the Pacers what every one of us think of the Bobcats right now.

travmil
02-23-2012, 07:15 PM
Aw Heck has hit it I think. A superstar puts butts in the seats. Do you really think OKC supports that team without Durant? Not a chance. Yeah they went to see the Hornets when they played there after Katrina, but that was a novelty. Let OKC lose Durant and go through a lengthy rebuild and then see where they stand on attendance. Something tells me it will be significantly lower than their current 100%.

BillS
02-23-2012, 07:21 PM
I'm sorry but I think that if I was John Q. Casual and the only game I atteneded at the start of the season was the Heat game then I walk away thinking of the Pacers what every one of us think of the Bobcats right now.

For that to follow, then if we win a sell-out all those folks should be ready to buy more tickets. That isn't the case, either.

It isn't just a matter of "die hard fans" and "people who don't care except when they win against the big name teams". I think a lot of folks who only want to see the big teams and the big stars do so because when they open up the paper or turn on the TV that's all they ever hear about. Maybe the Pacers need more positive visibility on the front page of the paper (or the Star web site or whatever). Maybe they need local TV to do more than just mention they exist and haven't had a brawl in a while. Maybe they need more presence at high schools and community events.

They need to get fans from somewhere, and I think the best example was the 10-year-old behind me at the Heat game who didn't care how bad the game was, all he cared about was that it was the Pacers playing. Those folks can't be completely gone after the "character" years - how do we get 'em back within the realities of a young, inconsistent, building team?

As was said last night on the TV broadcast, isn't this the kind of team Indiana is supposed to love? If so, how do we let people know?

Trophy
02-23-2012, 07:26 PM
Listening to JMV today, he brought up this topic a lot.

A lot of the same responses from him as well as the callers including Mark Boyle on air. This team needs that star player to lead the way and/or make a big run in the playoffs.

Paul has the potential to be that "star" player who can lead the way someday. Probably not next season or even the season after that, but he can eventually be that guy. Only in his second season, he's already shown a great deal of potential in everything he brings.

Boyle was a bit disappointed when he was on, but gave the impression that it will just take time and we need to keep on winning.

BillS
02-23-2012, 07:31 PM
My big concern about putting your eggs into the "star" basket is that it all collapses if the star gets injured or moves on.

You get into a whole "what have you shown to me lately" thing.

If it takes a superstar to get butts into the seats, then you'd better take advantage of having that star to build lifetime fans of the team, not just let the star carry you and pray it lasts forever.

ilive4sports
02-23-2012, 07:44 PM
Now I'm not an Indy local, so I can't say for sure, but it seems like the marketing for this team is just done poorly. Yeah, we have no star, but dammit, Roy Hibbert and Paul George are VERY marketable.

Especially now. Roy is an all-star, he is having the best season of his career, is a great guy, has Area 55 and so on.

Paul George, here we have a great kid, great worker, is improving rapidly, playing in the Rising Stars Challenge, is in the dunk contest and has star potential.

You aren't going to sell tickets if you aren't marketing correctly. Those two guys can sell tickets. Those two guys are becoming the faces of the franchise, hopefully for years to come. They are the type of guys that fans can get emotionally attached to because they seem so genuine.

PaceBalls
02-23-2012, 08:29 PM
We don't need a superstar to get people to come. We already have an all star this year.

It will take one full season of winning plus a competitive showing in the 2nd round of the playoffs. If the Pacers do that this year they will be in the top 15 in attendance next year.

Let's revisit this next year and if we are still winning and it's still bad attendance then we can really worry.

joeyd
02-23-2012, 08:32 PM
Aw Heck has hit it I think. A superstar puts butts in the seats. Do you really think OKC supports that team without Durant? Not a chance. Yeah they went to see the Hornets when they played there after Katrina, but that was a novelty. Let OKC lose Durant and go through a lengthy rebuild and then see where they stand on attendance. Something tells me it will be significantly lower than their current 100%.

OKC is a bad example. I lived there when they did all they could do to try to attract an NHL team, to no avail. Then they were given the chance with the Hornets. After what they went through to get a team, they would gladly watch and support a team full of bench players for 5 years while rebuilding rather than give up their team. That's the sentiment that was in the community when I left several years ago. Also, in OKC, they have U. of OK football and little else to keep the townsfolk busy besides a minor league baseball team, and the womens' softball world series.

Ace E.Anderson
02-23-2012, 08:59 PM
I hate to say it but Indiana/Indianapolis is very much so a front runner type of place. Nobody here wants to pay high ticket prices to see a team that gets blown out by the good teams. Obviously nobody wants to see us demolish the Bobcats, or the Nets. All the games that have brought out a large fan showings (Heat, Magic, Den), we've looked pretty bad. Yes it's only been 4 out of 14 games, but this is the first time in 5 or 6 years the Pacers have given the fans a reason to go watch them play, so those 4 games was a great chance to show the fans why they need to come watch.

I normally go to 10 games a year myself, but I can see why some fans don't want to go to the games

cdash
02-23-2012, 09:00 PM
**** that noise. I hate threads like this. Just pisses me off that our attendance is so low. We have a good team in the heart of basketball country and we have the second worst attendance in the league. That is ****ing embarrassing.

shags
02-23-2012, 09:11 PM
**** that noise. I hate threads like this. Just pisses me off that our attendance is so low. We have a good team in the heart of basketball country and we have the second worst attendance in the league. That is ****ing embarrassing.

In the heart of amateur basketball country.

Lord Helmet
02-23-2012, 09:21 PM
It is annoying, but it isn't surprising. The Colts had a star in Manning for years, yet had trouble selling out the RCA Dome until they started consistently, keyword CONSISTENTLY winning. My first Colts game when I was 13 was the home opener in '03 and it was blacked out.

We started our 10 year run at that game, and combined with winning and Manning's stardom, the Colts turned this city into a football one. Although for a few years, both the Pacers and Colts had decent support, until obviously Reggie leaving and the sucking years.

The Pacers are on the right path, but they have to keep winning. It really is the only thing you can do. Marketing can only go so far. Winning will be the best marketing we can get.

ndcoltsnpacers
02-23-2012, 09:26 PM
Now I'm not an Indy local, so I can't say for sure, but it seems like the marketing for this team is just done poorly. Yeah, we have no star, but dammit, Roy Hibbert and Paul George are VERY marketable.

Especially now. Roy is an all-star, he is having the best season of his career, is a great guy, has Area 55 and so on.

Paul George, here we have a great kid, great worker, is improving rapidly, playing in the Rising Stars Challenge, is in the dunk contest and has star potential.

You aren't going to sell tickets if you aren't marketing correctly. Those two guys can sell tickets. Those two guys are becoming the faces of the franchise, hopefully for years to come. They are the type of guys that fans can get emotionally attached to because they seem so genuine.

I agree, I think at some point you have to look at marketing. I hated the billboards we had up this year that advertised the ticket package that included a Heat game, and the Heat name was more prominately displayed than the Pacers.

PacersHomer
02-23-2012, 09:31 PM
The problem is that the view from my TV is much better than the view from the $10 seats, and I don't have to go through the trouble of getting downtown.

kielbeze
02-23-2012, 09:48 PM
Having worked for the last 3 years with over 500 other people for the past 3 years in Muncie an hour outside of indy, I can surely tell you I have at least one person a week walk up to my desk and say "Who are those guys in pictures with you?" And then I have to spend the next few moments explaining this is Paul George This is.... You get it.

I honestly think we need more exposure in the state for the team. Maybe even take a page from the NFL and have training camp in a city outside of Indy just to take the show on the road at home. I have seen the Colts Cheerleaders/Players come to the Meijer in Muncie with their version of the "Fan Van" you don't see this with the Pacers.

I can say Roy Hibbert and people say who is that? I can mention Curtis Painter or any other Colts player not worth squat and they all know exactly who I am talking about.

I think as the diehards the only thing you can do is show your support and let it be known that Pacers are back. Any time I get a chance to talk Pacers with average Joe I do. I always wear some kind of Pacers gear every day. Its kind of like the ask me about my honor student bumper sticker.
Because Obviously I am a Pacers fan. Most people will start by telling me how much they loved Reggie! lol

It is irritating to see us play for an empty crowd after watching people pour in Lucas to watch the Indianapolis Donkeys play all year.
IDK I guess there was a point in there someplace I just needed to vent.

kielbeze
02-23-2012, 09:51 PM
The problem is that the view from my TV is much better than the view from the $10 seats, and I don't have to go through the trouble of getting downtown.
I am going to pull your BS card on this on this one good sir.
There is not a bad seat in the place even if you are in the last row.
As a matter of fact I took a friend down sat balcony level for around 12 bucks and he was amazed because sitting there was like the view from tv.

MagicRat
02-23-2012, 10:02 PM
<table style="border-collapse: collapse;" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="560"> <col style="" width="35"> <col style="" width="100"> <col style="" width="49"> <col style="" width="102"> <col width="75"> <col style="" width="118"> <col style="" width="10"> <col style="" width="71"> <tbody><tr height="13"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td><td align="center" height="13" width="35">Year</td> <td class="xl25" align="center" width="100">Total Attendance</td> <td class="xl24" align="center" width="49">Wins</td> <td align="center" width="102">Attendance Rank</td> <td align="center" width="75">Total Teams</td> <td align="center" width="118">Average Attendance</td> <td align="center" width="10">
</td> <td align="center" width="71">Playoffs</td> </tr> <tr height="13"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td><td align="right" height="13">1977</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">432,726</td> <td class="xl24" align="right">36</td> <td align="right">13</td> <td align="right">22</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">10,554</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> <td>
</td> </tr> <tr height="13"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td><td align="right" height="13">1978</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">501,759</td> <td class="xl24" align="right">31</td> <td align="right">9</td> <td align="right">21</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">12,238</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> <td>
</td> </tr> <tr height="13"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td><td align="right" height="13">1979</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">367,160</td> <td class="xl24" align="right">38</td> <td align="right">17</td> <td align="right">22</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">8,955</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> <td>
</td> </tr> <tr height="13"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td><td align="right" height="13">1980</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">433,402</td> <td class="xl24" align="right">37</td> <td align="right">13</td> <td align="right">22</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">10,571</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> </tr> <tr height="13"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td><td align="right" height="13">1981</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">409,839</td> <td class="xl24" align="right">44</td> <td align="right">12</td> <td align="right">23</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">9,996</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> <td class="xl25">R1</td> </tr> <tr height="13"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td><td align="right" height="13">1982</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">318,062</td> <td class="xl24" align="right">35</td> <td align="right">18</td> <td align="right">23</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">7,758</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> </tr> <tr height="13"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td><td align="right" height="13">1983</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">197,364</td> <td class="xl24" align="right">20</td> <td align="right">21</td> <td align="right">23</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">4,814</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> </tr> <tr height="13"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td><td align="right" height="13">1984</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">421,202</td> <td class="xl24" align="right">26</td> <td align="right">13</td> <td align="right">23</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">10,273</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> </tr> <tr height="13"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td><td align="right" height="13">1985</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">437,677</td> <td class="xl24" align="right">22</td> <td align="right">13</td> <td align="right">23</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">10,675</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> </tr> <tr height="13"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td><td align="right" height="13">1986</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">460,969</td> <td class="xl24" align="right">26</td> <td align="right">13</td> <td align="right">23</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">11,243</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> </tr> <tr height="13"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td><td align="right" height="13">1987</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">520,007</td> <td class="xl24" align="right">41</td> <td align="right">10</td> <td align="right">23</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">12,683</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> <td class="xl25">R1</td> </tr> <tr height="13"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td><td align="right" height="13">1988</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">502,319</td> <td class="xl24" align="right">38</td> <td align="right">14</td> <td align="right">23</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">12,252</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> </tr> <tr height="13"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td><td align="right" height="13">1989</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">468,912</td> <td class="xl24" align="right">28</td> <td align="right">22</td> <td align="right">25</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">11,437</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> </tr> <tr height="13"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td><td align="right" height="13">1990</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">528,275</td> <td class="xl24" align="right">42</td> <td align="right">20</td> <td align="right">27</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">12,885</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> <td class="xl25">R1</td> </tr> <tr height="13"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td><td align="right" height="13">1991</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">475,291</td> <td class="xl24" align="right">41</td> <td align="right">26</td> <td align="right">27</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">11,592</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> <td class="xl25">R1</td> </tr> <tr height="13"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td><td align="right" height="13">1992</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">517,352</td> <td class="xl24" align="right">40</td> <td align="right">24</td> <td align="right">27</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">12,618</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> <td class="xl25">R1</td> </tr> <tr height="13"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td><td align="right" height="13">1993</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">530,891</td> <td class="xl24" align="right">41</td> <td align="right">24</td> <td align="right">27</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">12,949</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> <td class="xl25">R1</td> </tr> <tr height="13"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td><td class="xl26" align="right" height="13">1994</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">543,815</td> <td class="xl28" align="right">47</td> <td class="xl26" align="right">23</td> <td class="xl26" align="right">27</td> <td class="xl27" align="right">13,264</td> <td class="xl27">
</td> <td class="xl27">Conf Finals</td> </tr> <tr height="13"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td><td align="right" height="13">1995</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">655,028</td> <td class="xl24" align="right">52</td> <td align="right">16</td> <td align="right">27</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">15,976</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> <td class="xl25">Conf Finals</td> </tr> <tr height="13"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td><td align="right" height="13">1996</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">673,967</td> <td class="xl24" align="right">52</td> <td align="right">19</td> <td align="right">29</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">16,438</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> <td class="xl25">R1</td> </tr> <tr height="13"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td><td align="right" height="13">1997</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">636,735</td> <td class="xl24" align="right">39</td> <td align="right">20</td> <td align="right">29</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">15,530</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> </tr> <tr height="13"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td><td align="right" height="13">1998</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">645,302</td> <td class="xl24" align="right">58</td> <td align="right">22</td> <td align="right">29</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">15,739</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> <td class="xl25">Conf Finals</td> </tr> <tr height="13"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td><td align="right" height="13">1999</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">663,439</td> <td class="xl24" align="right">54</td> <td align="right">20</td> <td align="right">29</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">16,181</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> <td class="xl25">Conf Finals</td> </tr> <tr height="13"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td><td align="right" height="13">2000</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">752,145</td> <td class="xl24" align="right">56</td> <td align="right">10</td> <td align="right">29</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">18,345</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> <td class="xl25">Finals</td> </tr> <tr height="13"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td><td align="right" height="13">2001</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">733,444</td> <td class="xl24" align="right">41</td> <td align="right">10</td> <td align="right">29</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">17,889</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> <td class="xl25">R1</td> </tr> <tr height="13"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td><td align="right" height="13">2002</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">686,537</td> <td class="xl24" align="right">42</td> <td align="right">16</td> <td align="right">29</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">16,745</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> <td class="xl25">R1</td> </tr> <tr height="13"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td><td align="right" height="13">2003</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">670,461</td> <td class="xl24" align="right">48</td> <td align="right">15</td> <td align="right">29</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">16,353</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> <td class="xl25">R1</td> </tr> <tr height="13"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td><td align="right" height="13">2004</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">683,125</td> <td class="xl24" align="right">61</td> <td align="right">16</td> <td align="right">29</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">16,662</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> <td class="xl25">Conf Finals</td> </tr> <tr height="13"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td><td align="right" height="13">2005</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">696,764</td> <td class="xl24" align="right">44</td> <td align="right">17</td> <td align="right">30</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">16,994</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> <td class="xl25">Conf Semis</td> </tr> <tr height="13"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td><td align="right" height="13">2006</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">663,268</td> <td class="xl24" align="right">41</td> <td align="right">25</td> <td align="right">30</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">16,177</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> <td class="xl25">R1</td> </tr> <tr height="13"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td><td align="right" height="13">2007</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">629,750</td> <td class="xl24" align="right">35</td> <td align="right">28</td> <td align="right">30</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">15,360</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> </tr> <tr height="13"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td><td align="right" height="13">2008</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">501,092</td> <td class="xl24" align="right">36</td> <td align="right">30</td> <td align="right">30</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">12,222</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> </tr> <tr height="13"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td><td align="right" height="13">2009</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">581,472</td> <td class="xl24" align="right">36</td> <td align="right">28</td> <td align="right">30</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">14,182</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> </tr> <tr height="13"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td><td align="right" height="13">2010</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">582,295</td> <td class="xl24" align="right">32</td> <td align="right">27</td> <td align="right">30</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">14,202</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> </tr> <tr height="13"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td><td align="right" height="13">2011</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">555,077</td> <td class="xl24" align="right">37</td> <td align="right">30</td> <td align="right">30</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">13,538</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> <td class="xl25">R1</td> </tr> <tr height="13"> <td style="vertical-align: top;">
</td><td align="right" height="13">2012</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">565,352</td> <td class="xl24" align="right">52</td> <td align="right">29</td> <td align="right">30</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">13,789</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> <td class="xl25">
</td> </tr> </tbody></table>

MagicRat
02-23-2012, 10:05 PM
Just for some perspective, this season would've been the highest average attendance for any Pacers NBA season before they made the Eastern Conference Finals in 1994. Just win, baby!

(Lockout season totals adjusted to a full season)

Indra
02-23-2012, 10:47 PM
When I'm not ranting I think this is key.

We are hampered by the lack of an independent broadcast station in Indianapolis that can provide free access to games. If more people could see the games without making a special effort to search them out (read the threads on how hard it is to find the channel on the sat services, and on most of them you have to get a special addendum to get FSI anyway), more of them might decide it's an IN thing to go to the Fieldhouse every so often.

Playoff appearances that put us on globally available national TV are about the only thing that will change it up at this point.

I have a friend who has worked in Pacers television for 24 years, and he says this argument is "silly" and "has no bearing on attendance." Virtually everyone nowadays has access to cable, dish, or directv. They are choosing not to watch, and the Pacers haven't been on broadcast tv for quite some time. The issue isn't availability of the product, it's that people don't want the product. It's an issue of poor marketing.

To quote myself from earlier: "Three of the starters are All-Stars. They're winning games hand over fist, they play the game the right way and with the right guys. Decent, upstanding citizens who love Indiana (David West, a two time All-Star, turned down Boston because he wanted to play in Indiana with these guys and this coach). We have a potential Coach of the Year and Executive of the Year in Coach Vogel and Larry Bird, tickets are absurdly cheap. They have a former National Player of the Year COMING OFF THE BENCH for this team. How are these things not being shouted from the rooftops in Indianapolis?"

PS&E marketing has failed big time as far as marketing a VERY marketable team to a city without any competition as far as a winning pro team this year. It's absurd. The Pacers organization can't expect fans to have been quietly watching and waiting for the team to right the ship. Fans bailed and gave up a long time ago, and the Pacers aren't even in their consciousness anymore. Marketing, management, and the players themselves have to go out there and win the hearts and minds of the fans back with aggressive marketing and a quality product.

HC
02-23-2012, 11:09 PM
Having worked for the last 3 years with over 500 other people for the past 3 years in Muncie an hour outside of indy, I can surely tell you I have at least one person a week walk up to my desk and say "Who are those guys in pictures with you?" And then I have to spend the next few moments explaining this is Paul George This is.... You get it.

I honestly think we need more exposure in the state for the team. Maybe even take a page from the NFL and have training camp in a city outside of Indy just to take the show on the road at home. I have seen the Colts Cheerleaders/Players come to the Meijer in Muncie with their version of the "Fan Van" you don't see this with the Pacers.

I can say Roy Hibbert and people say who is that? I can mention Curtis Painter or any other Colts player not worth squat and they all know exactly who I am talking about.

I think as the diehards the only thing you can do is show your support and let it be known that Pacers are back. Any time I get a chance to talk Pacers with average Joe I do. I always wear some kind of Pacers gear every day. Its kind of like the ask me about my honor student bumper sticker.
Because Obviously I am a Pacers fan. Most people will start by telling me how much they loved Reggie! lol

It is irritating to see us play for an empty crowd after watching people pour in Lucas to watch the Indianapolis Donkeys play all year.
IDK I guess there was a point in there someplace I just needed to vent.

I walked into the Verizon store wearing my Hibbert jersey about a month ago, and 3 or 4 of the employees in there started chatting with me about the Pacers. David West and Paul George were both mentioned. I was fairly surprised, because that doesn't happen too often. As far as here in Hartford City, I know of about 3 or 4 people other than myself that actually sit down and watch every game and make the effort to attend some games. Two of them are my grandparents, it's crazy.

kielbeze
02-23-2012, 11:13 PM
I walked into the Verizon store wearing my Hibbert jersey about a month ago, and 3 or 4 of the employees in there started chatting with me about the Pacers. David West and Paul George were both mentioned. I was fairly surprised, because that doesn't happen too often. As far as here in Hartford City, I know of about 3 or 4 people other than myself that actually sit down and watch every game and make the effort to attend some games. Two of them are my grandparents, it's crazy.

You forgot to finish. they then clocked out and put on their Lebron jerseys. :laugh:

HC
02-23-2012, 11:17 PM
You forgot to finish. they then clocked out and put on their Lebron jerseys. :laugh:

Sad....but true

HC
02-23-2012, 11:21 PM
Sad....but true

Which reminds me, my kids do the Bear Down basketball out at the high school on Saturdays. There is this kid that wears a Lebron jersey every week.....I just sit there and think.....really????

davidinnc
02-23-2012, 11:37 PM
Bobcats at #15?

Kind of serious, not sure if I trust this list.

Wells tweeted this from last night's game v. Bobcats.

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/5607/hatlr.png

Not sure when the picture was taken. I was at the game and know they were a late arriving crowd. We were waiting for our will call tickets and did not get seated until after the start of the game. Was not full, but more than 60%.

Sandman21
02-23-2012, 11:39 PM
I don't have to go through the trouble of getting downtown.
What trouble of getting downtown? Even during SuperBowl week, it wasn't that bad (although I did reserve parking ahead of time). People whine about parking being too expensive when there are lots a block away from the Fieldhouse charging $5.

Obviously, for many it's not easy to make it from work to home to the game on weeknights (and if that is what you mean, I can understand), but for most there is NO excuse during the weekend for people to be saying its too hard to get downtown. Heck, its not that hard to get out of downtown AFTER the game!:laugh:

People say concessions are too expensive - Eat before or after the game elsewhere!

I was at the Roy signing at the Indiana Members Credit Union last weekend and the line was out the door and all the way down the sidewalk. The interest is there, but I think people are still buying into the myth that A. the Pacers are a bunch of troublemakers, B. that parking is too much (DEBUNKED above) and tickets are too expensive (disproved by making a little effort).

The word has got to get out. I walked around Super Bowl Village with a Hibbert Throwback that week (sticking out like a sore thumb :laugh:) and everywhere I went there were people noticing and starting to talk Pacers.

THIS TEAM IS GOOD, GET OUT AND SEE THEM!

PGisthefuture
02-24-2012, 12:21 AM
I think if Paul George wins the dunk contest it will help somewhat. I hope so anyways.

rel
02-24-2012, 01:01 AM
I think if Paul George wins the dunk contest it will help somewhat. I hope so anyways.

i actually think this is true. If PG wins or puts out a good show...i could easily see ppl being interested just for that. As shallow as that is, ppl here honestly do need a gimmick to make it seem worth it...

Hicks
02-24-2012, 01:31 AM
I'm guessing it will go up next year if/when we make a good showing in the playoffs this season.

PGisthefuture
02-24-2012, 01:44 AM
i actually think this is true. If PG wins or puts out a good show...i could easily see ppl being interested just for that. As shallow as that is, ppl here honestly do need a gimmick to make it seem worth it...

Yeah that's how the general public is unfortunately... I think Paul is the favorite going in.

joeyd
02-24-2012, 01:53 AM
What trouble of getting downtown?

I know, right? I can't tell you how many people have told me that they simply will not go downtown. It's like they are scared of leaving their suburb and getting lost in a maze of dark streets or traffic or something! I have lived in big cities in both coasts, and this is the most "driveable" downtown that I have ever driven through. OK, maybe Oklahoma City ranks up there as well, but while it's hard to fathom this fear of downtown, it seems to be a real problem with people.

Indra
02-24-2012, 01:55 AM
Yeah, downtown Indianapolis is wonderful. It's cake to drive through, navigate, and walk. There's really no reason not to go other than being small-town types afraid of anything bigger than Avon, Indiana.

ndcoltsnpacers
02-24-2012, 02:19 AM
Yeah, downtown Indianapolis is wonderful. It's cake to drive through, navigate, and walk. There's really no reason not to go other than being small-town types afraid of anything bigger than Avon, Indiana.

But, there's one-way streets!!!! And people walking the crosswalks!!! And horse led carriages!!!!

MnvrChvy
02-24-2012, 02:44 AM
Bobcats at #15?

Kind of serious, not sure if I trust this list.

Wells tweeted this from last night's game v. Bobcats.

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/5607/hatlr.png

I call this crap suspect as well. We've not had great attendance but it has not been terrible at least in historic comparison. On the other hand some other teams have had downright empty arenas. Altlanta. Philly. These are bigger cities but some games have looked like there wasn't even 5k people there. And that's leaving off the Detroit's and Charlotte's who are so obviously fudging there numbers it is ridiculous. Yes. I think even Detroit is way overstating their numbers.

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spazzxb
02-24-2012, 02:51 AM
Indianapolis needs a star they can get behind. For the Colts, obviously, that was Peyton. For the Pacers, it was Reggie Miller, from the mid-90's until his retirement.

The Pacers don't have that now. There are players that we like on the team, obviously. But we're hardcore fans.

Who can the general public point to on this team and get excited about?

The Pacers will need some success in the playoffs or at least need to create some lasting memories (8 points in 8.9 seconds, Memorial Day Miracle, Reggie's 3 over Jordan in '98) before people start showing up en masse.

How about Paul George winning the slam dunk competition.

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Kstat
02-24-2012, 04:31 AM
I call this crap suspect as well. We've not had great attendance but it has not been terrible at least in historic comparison. On the other hand some other teams have had downright empty arenas. Altlanta. Philly. These are bigger cities but some games have looked like there wasn't even 5k people there. And that's leaving off the Detroit's and Charlotte's who are so obviously fudging there numbers it is ridiculous. Yes. I think even Detroit is way overstating their numbers.

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So let me get this straight....everybody fudges their attendance figures....except the Indiana pacers?

rock747
02-24-2012, 04:48 AM
You people that live in Indy... Is there any hype for the Pacers? Does the local media hype the Pacers? Alot of the casual draw comes from what the local media presents. When I am in Indy I don't notice this....

xBulletproof
02-24-2012, 04:56 AM
I'm fairly sure all teams report the numbers of tickets that were sold. Not how many people actually showed up. At least I've always assumed.

LetsTalkPacers
02-24-2012, 05:00 AM
You people that live in Indy... Is there any hype for the Pacers? Does the local media hype the Pacers? Alot of the casual draw comes from what the local media presents. When I am in Indy I don't notice this....
nope, for the most part it seems to be colts country

Indra
02-24-2012, 05:02 AM
You people that live in Indy... Is there any hype for the Pacers? Does the local media hype the Pacers? Alot of the casual draw comes from what the local media presents. When I am in Indy I don't notice this....

I haven't lived in Indy for a few years, but from what I'm being told the Pacers sometimes don't even get a score on the local news.

MnvrChvy
02-24-2012, 08:39 AM
So let me get this straight....everybody fudges their attendance figures....except the Indiana pacers?

The point was not the fudging. The point was how obvious the fudging is. Take a look at the people in the stands. Detroit will list a game at 12k even though there is almost no one in the stands. The Pacers on the other hand will list theirs at 13k when it looks like they've got 10k. Big difference. I don't remember any games for the pacers where I could freeze my DVR and count everyone in the stands.

Kstat
02-24-2012, 09:10 AM
The point was not the fudging. The point was how obvious the fudging is. Take a look at the people in the stands. Detroit will list a game at 12k even though there is almost no one in the stands. The Pacers on the other hand will list theirs at 13k when it looks like they've got 10k. Big difference. I don't remember any games for the pacers where I could freeze my DVR and count everyone in the stands.

ok....you do not watch every Pistons or Bobcats game in person. You have absolutely no basis to say the Pistons and Bobcats cheat their attendance figures a lot, while the pacers cheat theirs just a little. You do not attend games in Charlotte and Detroit enough to have an informed point of view, TV cameras do not generally pan above the lower sections, and I highly doubt you pay attention to attendance in every pistons and bobcats home game on TV anyway.

It's absurd to say the Pacers cheat their attendance numbers the least (come on, really? you actually believe that?) of everyone. The only way to really get a feel for how many people attend games in person is to be there in person. You could be %100 right and this would still be an absurd stance because you'd still have nothing concrete to base your opinion on.

Not to mention, teams do not report actual attendance, simply tickets sold.

Sandman21
02-24-2012, 09:28 AM
You people that live in Indy... Is there any hype for the Pacers? Does the local media hype the Pacers? Alot of the casual draw comes from what the local media presents. When I am in Indy I don't notice this....

Barely any. And most of what IS out there is from sports talk radio hosts who are about as sick and tired of the idiots calling in to propose the same stupid Manning theories that 450 other people have called in about every month for the last 9 months or however long that saga has gone as I am. If its not that, its idiots calling in to blame Verdell Jones for almost everything bad that has ever happened. I'm beginning to think some of those nutjobs think he was on the Grassy Knoll.....

Right now, its Colts, Hoosiers, then Pacers if theres time leftover.

Mackey_Rose
02-24-2012, 09:40 AM
It took more than one year for everybody to turn against the Pacers. It will take more than one year to win them back.

Winning is all that matters. Winning, that is sustained, over several more seasons.

travmil
02-24-2012, 10:00 AM
It took more than one year for everybody to turn against the Pacers....

The die-hards, yeah it took a while. The casual fan? It took about 15 minutes.

BillS
02-24-2012, 10:02 AM
Yeah, downtown Indianapolis is wonderful. It's cake to drive through, navigate, and walk. There's really no reason not to go other than being small-town types afraid of anything bigger than Avon, Indiana.

I'd rather drive in downtown Indy than in Avon - at least on US 36 ...

Really, though, I'll never believe Indianapolis even HAS traffic, having driven in Atlanta for 25 years. I can get to downtown (about 30 miles) during morning commute in the amount of time it used to take me to go 7 miles to work from one suburb to another. How crazy is THAT?

RWB
02-24-2012, 10:21 AM
having driven in Atlanta for 25 years.

:eek: Scariest driving I've ever experienced. Chicago and Jersey driving is a cupcake compared to Atlanta. All I remember is looking at the odometer going 85 mph through the city and barely keeping up with traffic. Thought I was going to get ran over for going too slow.

BillS
02-24-2012, 10:24 AM
:eek: Scariest driving I've ever experienced. Chicago and Jersey driving is a cupcake compared to Atlanta. All I remember is looking at the odometer going 85 mph through the city and barely keeping up with traffic. Thought I was going to get ran over for going too slow.

Right after I moved down there I actually thought my speedometer was broken.

After I moved back I got 3 speeding tickets before I re-adjusted. :blush:

Unclebuck
02-24-2012, 10:25 AM
When is the most important time of the year for the Pacers to sell tickets? I think an answer to this question will tell us whether winning games when there is a sellout crowd really boosts attendance in the short term.

By far the most important time of the year to sell tickets is the offseason. Years ago there used to be a big walkup sell on the night of the game, but those days ended several years ago. Most of the tickets are sold before the very first game is ever played. Season tickets, corporate tickets, half season, 10 game, 5 game, presale before the season to Heat, Bulls, Lakers game. That is where its at.

So I contend a huge win over the Heat before a sellout crowd two weeks ago would not have sold any tickets to the Hornets game Tuesday night. And the opposite is true a terrible loss before a sellout crowd in a game against the heat will not keep people from coming to a game either. (disclaimer: Am I suggesting that absolutely no one would buy a ticket because we beat the heat? No, sure there might be 18 people, who knows, but it isn't a number of people that makes a difference. (Besides people who buy tickets to see a pacers vs heat game this year are not the same people who would buy tickets to see the Pacers vs Hornets

But one win isn't going to do it, just like 1 loss isn't going to do it either. The attendance figures are pretty well set before the regular season ever starts. (a trade or a great record are the only things that could increase attendance. Like if the pacers were 29-4 or 30-3 right now - that would be causing a buzz)

What it takes is time, a good playoff run and tickets need to be sold in the offseason.

Further evidence that a great win or a bad loss doesn't impact short term attendance figures. The pacers have had some really good wins this year at Lakers, at Dallas, at Chicago, at Orlando, at Boston and all those games were on local TV and did any of those wins increase attendance? I don't think so.

Unclebuck
02-24-2012, 10:40 AM
It is annoying, but it isn't surprising. The Colts had a star in Manning for years, yet had trouble selling out the RCA Dome until they started consistently, keyword CONSISTENTLY winning. My first Colts game when I was 13 was the home opener in '03 and it was blacked out.



That simply isn't true. According to this article and several others I recall the sellout streak started in 1998. The article was too long to post, but it is really good about the art of selling tickets, worth a read

http://www.allbusiness.com/sports-recreation/sports-games-outdoor-recreation/11768429-1.html


The Indianapolis Colts have sold out every home game since the final game of the 1998 season, giving the team the 14th-longest home sellout streak in the 32-team National Football League. The Colts' 81-game regular season streak is a long way behind the Washington Redskins' league leading streak of 327, but is no less amazing considering where the team was less than a decade ago.


"In the late '90s we were doing a fire drill almost every week just to avoid a TV blackout during Sunday's we had home games," said Ray Compton, who joined the team in 1997 as executive director of business development and departed to start his own marketing firm in 2005. "Putting so much time and energy into single-game and group sales was a tremendous drain."


The amazing transformation, Compton said, took off "draft day, 1998, when [team ownerl Jim Irsay and [President] Bill Pollan pulled the trigger on drafting Peyton."



Source: http://www.allbusiness.com/sports-recreation/sports-games-outdoor-recreation/11768429-1.html#ixzz1nJJ2W0H8


http://coltsfans.wordpress.com/2009/02/21/economy-posses-major-threat-to-sellout-streak/

vapacersfan
02-24-2012, 11:26 AM
Now I'm not an Indy local, so I can't say for sure, but it seems like the marketing for this team is just done poorly. Yeah, we have no star, but dammit, Roy Hibbert and Paul George are VERY marketable.

Especially now. Roy is an all-star, he is having the best season of his career, is a great guy, has Area 55 and so on.

Paul George, here we have a great kid, great worker, is improving rapidly, playing in the Rising Stars Challenge, is in the dunk contest and has star potential.

You aren't going to sell tickets if you aren't marketing correctly. Those two guys can sell tickets. Those two guys are becoming the faces of the franchise, hopefully for years to come. They are the type of guys that fans can get emotionally attached to because they seem so genuine.

Well said.

Not local so I cant answer, but how much marketing/exposure does area 55 get?

Ace E.Anderson
02-24-2012, 11:39 AM
When is the most important time of the year for the Pacers to sell tickets? I think an answer to this question will tell us whether winning games when there is a sellout crowd really boosts attendance in the short term.

By far the most important time of the year to sell tickets is the offseason. Years ago there used to be a big walkup sell on the night of the game, but those days ended several years ago. Most of the tickets are sold before the very first game is ever played. Season tickets, corporate tickets, half season, 10 game, 5 game, presale before the season to Heat, Bulls, Lakers game. That is where its at.

So I contend a huge win over the Heat before a sellout crowd two weeks ago would not have sold any tickets to the Hornets game Tuesday night. And the opposite is true a terrible loss before a sellout crowd in a game against the heat will not keep people from coming to a game either. (disclaimer: Am I suggesting that absolutely no one would buy a ticket because we beat the heat? No, sure there might be 18 people, who knows, but it isn't a number of people that makes a difference. (Besides people who buy tickets to see a pacers vs heat game this year are not the same people who would buy tickets to see the Pacers vs Hornets

But one win isn't going to do it, just like 1 loss isn't going to do it either. The attendance figures are pretty well set before the regular season ever starts. (a trade or a great record are the only things that could increase attendance. Like if the pacers were 29-4 or 30-3 right now - that would be causing a buzz)

What it takes is time, a good playoff run and tickets need to be sold in the offseason.

Further evidence that a great win or a bad loss doesn't impact short term attendance figures. The pacers have had some really good wins this year at Lakers, at Dallas, at Chicago, at Orlando, at Boston and all those games were on local TV and did any of those wins increase attendance? I don't think so.

The Celtics, Lakers and Mavs are old, Chicago was without Deng, ORL beat us twice on our homecourt.

I somewhat believe the fact that we were completely embarrassed during one of our lone sellouts is a reason fans aren't believing enough in the team to come watch them play. Out of the few times we have drawn big crowds (Orl, Mia, Den) we have lost. That makes the casual fan think "same old Pacers" and not want to go watch--in spite of what our record says. I honestly think it's going to take some time of sustained relevance for the casual fan to have a change in perspective.

This is all just my opinion, I could easily be wrong.

vapacersfan
02-24-2012, 11:41 AM
I hate to beat a dead horse, but we are also in a crappy economy....but Ill stop as I already had a thread where I beat this topic to death

FlavaDave
02-24-2012, 11:44 AM
The die-hards, yeah it took a while. The casual fan? It took about 15 minutes.

And those 15 minutes happened on November 19th, 2004.

The Brawl, Club Rio, The Conrad, 8 Second Saloon, Artest's request for time off to rap, Jamaal Tinsley in general...

All of that turned on the casual fan.

Jim O'Brien, Murphleavy, and years of missing the playoffs in a weak conference...

That lulled people to sleep.

The lockout didn't help.

And the fans are supposed to come running back full steam in just 14 home games?

I don't see it.

The last eight years (eight years!) didn't just push people off the bandwagon. It made people actively hate the Pacers. It takes more than 14 home games to recover from contempt.

Here are the things that will bring people back:

1) Winning

2) Good Press

3) Good word of mouth

#1? Check. Now on to #2. Winning itself isn't enough to get good press. How many articles/headlines/blog posts have you read about Philly or San Antonio this year? Not much, even though both are playing great. Why? Because they are "boring".

Specifically, they (and this applies to the Pacers as well) don't win in the kind of ways that grab headlines.

Read these recap headlines and tell me which one you would click:

-Philly Defeats Bobcats 101-91
-San Antonio Extends Steak To 3 Games
-Pacers Improve to 8-2 At Home
-Durant Scores 57; Drops Bucks

Every single night, exactly half of the NBA teams that play, win. Winning is very common. Scoring 57 points? Now that's a rare thing. The Pacers haven't had any headline grabbing games yet (Hibbert's 30 and 13 being a late and welcome exception). This will come with time.

Hibbert being an All-Star and PG being in the Dunk Contest? Those are headlines. PG winning the Dunk Contest or Hibbert making a big splash in the All Star game would be great headlines. Granger scoring 40 would get people taking. Collison outplaying Rondo with a triple-double would help. Not saying it is going to happen, I'm just saying it would.

Making a huge trade at the deadline: that's a headline.

Making the playoffs with home court? Headline. Winning Round 1? Big headline.

That's how you win the press. And then...

All of that good press will build up and turn the "word of mouth" tide into the positive. That's when the fans will come back. If they don't... That's when you worry. Not 2 months into the first good season in 8 years shortened by a strike.

The Pacers didn't just lose games the last eight years. They actively turned people against them with off the court behavior. Losses alone didn't turn people away. Winning alone won't get them back.

NapTonius Monk
02-24-2012, 05:44 PM
I think if Paul George wins the dunk contest it will help somewhat. I hope so anyways.
I think an extended playoff run will help.

Peck
02-24-2012, 05:49 PM
And those 15 minutes happened on November 19th, 2004.

The Brawl, Club Rio, The Conrad, 8 Second Saloon, Artest's request for time off to rap, Jamaal Tinsley in general...

All of that turned on the casual fan.

Jim O'Brien, Murphleavy, and years of missing the playoffs in a weak conference...

That lulled people to sleep.

The lockout didn't help.

And the fans are supposed to come running back full steam in just 14 home games?

I don't see it.

The last eight years (eight years!) didn't just push people off the bandwagon. It made people actively hate the Pacers. It takes more than 14 home games to recover from contempt.

Here are the things that will bring people back:

1) Winning

2) Good Press

3) Good word of mouth

#1? Check. Now on to #2. Winning itself isn't enough to get good press. How many articles/headlines/blog posts have you read about Philly or San Antonio this year? Not much, even though both are playing great. Why? Because they are "boring".

Specifically, they (and this applies to the Pacers as well) don't win in the kind of ways that grab headlines.

Read these recap headlines and tell me which one you would click:

-Philly Defeats Bobcats 101-91
-San Antonio Extends Steak To 3 Games
-Pacers Improve to 8-2 At Home
-Durant Scores 57; Drops Bucks

Every single night, exactly half of the NBA teams that play, win. Winning is very common. Scoring 57 points? Now that's a rare thing. The Pacers haven't had any headline grabbing games yet (Hibbert's 30 and 13 being a late and welcome exception). This will come with time.

Hibbert being an All-Star and PG being in the Dunk Contest? Those are headlines. PG winning the Dunk Contest or Hibbert making a big splash in the All Star game would be great headlines. Granger scoring 40 would get people taking. Collison outplaying Rondo with a triple-double would help. Not saying it is going to happen, I'm just saying it would.

Making a huge trade at the deadline: that's a headline.

Making the playoffs with home court? Headline. Winning Round 1? Big headline.

That's how you win the press. And then...

All of that good press will build up and turn the "word of mouth" tide into the positive. That's when the fans will come back. If they don't... That's when you worry. Not 2 months into the first good season in 8 years shortened by a strike.

The Pacers didn't just lose games the last eight years. They actively turned people against them with off the court behavior. Losses alone didn't turn people away. Winning alone won't get them back.

Thank you thank you a thousand times thank you. So many people believe it is only about wins and losses and they could not be more wrong.

It is a big part of it, but it is not the only part of it.

RobfromPacers
02-24-2012, 08:24 PM
Now I'm not an Indy local, so I can't say for sure, but it seems like the marketing for this team is just done poorly. Yeah, we have no star, but dammit, Roy Hibbert and Paul George are VERY marketable.

Especially now. Roy is an all-star, he is having the best season of his career, is a great guy, has Area 55 and so on.

Paul George, here we have a great kid, great worker, is improving rapidly, playing in the Rising Stars Challenge, is in the dunk contest and has star potential.

You aren't going to sell tickets if you aren't marketing correctly. Those two guys can sell tickets. Those two guys are becoming the faces of the franchise, hopefully for years to come. They are the type of guys that fans can get emotionally attached to because they seem so genuine.

Completely agree -- Roy and Paul are both very marketable. Not only are they great basketball players, but they're sincere. I could talk for days on how thankful I am to have them on our team.

Within moments of Roy being announced as an All-Star, we dedicated the main page to his accomplishment along with a special 5-game pack offer (see here (http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/roys_allstar_pack.html)). To promote Roy's accomplishment and the 5-game pack, we executed a marketing plan that included a variety of traditional (i.e, full page ad in the Star; radio spots) and digital efforts (emails to Pacers Insiders, Bankers Life Fieldhouse subscribers, Ticketmaster subscribers).

We did a similar campaign for Paul George once he was announced as a participant in the dunk contest. Fans were able to get select Krieg DeVault Club Level tickets (Sections 109 and 112) for $24 (see here (http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/paul_george_ticket_deal_2012.html)).

The energy at PS&E is at an all-time high since I started in May 2005... and that includes the last playoff run of Reggie's career. We are committed to making every home game a great experience and a worthy investment. I stop by PD about 3x a week (some times as a troll), so keep the ideas and feedback coming.

Slick Pinkham
02-24-2012, 10:04 PM
In the heart of amateur basketball country.

Do you remember how deafeningly loud Market Square Arena used to be for big games?

Single class HS hoops and IU/Purdue were always more followed, but it used to be basketball country in the broader sense too.

BillS
02-24-2012, 10:55 PM
The energy at PS&E is at an all-time high since I started in May 2005... and that includes the last playoff run of Reggie's career. We are committed to making every home game a great experience and a worthy investment. I stop by PD about 3x a week (some times as a troll), so keep the ideas and feedback coming.

Rob, I really want to thank you for hanging out here, having the reputation to get a serious rep from PS&E is amazing.

What many of us want to understand, though, is what PS&E is doing to reach out to that "hometown" basketball fan, the guy who isn't going to pacers.com every day or isn't really out looking for tickets to the Pacer game. What is being done to integrate this Pacer team (and ongoing Pacer teams) to that "Indiana's Game" that is presented in the pregame video.

What needs to happen is to think how the Pacers can be associated with basketball at all levels in Indiana the way the Colts are more-or-less associated with football at all levels in Indiana.

There are a lot of us out here who want to help, some with more expertise than others, but everyone with a desire to make sure the Pacers are there in 20 or 40 years for a kid who is now 10 or 11 just like they are for those of us who grew up in the ABA years or the Reggie/Rifleman years. Just let us know what we can do.

shags
02-24-2012, 11:04 PM
Do you remember how deafeningly loud Market Square Arena used to be for big games?

Single class HS hoops and IU/Purdue were always more followed, but it used to be basketball country in the broader sense too.

You just made my point for me. It's possible for the Pacers to have rising attendance and packed houses, but Indiana will always be more passionate about high school and college hoops.

Slick Pinkham
02-25-2012, 01:22 AM
You just made my point for me. It's possible for the Pacers to have rising attendance and packed houses, but Indiana will always be more passionate about high school and college hoops.

not high school ball in a multiclass system

those days are gone

mostly empty seats these days

ilive4sports
02-25-2012, 02:50 AM
Completely agree -- Roy and Paul are both very marketable. Not only are they great basketball players, but they're sincere. I could talk for days on how thankful I am to have them on our team.

Within moments of Roy being announced as an All-Star, we dedicated the main page to his accomplishment along with a special 5-game pack offer (see here (http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/roys_allstar_pack.html)). To promote Roy's accomplishment and the 5-game pack, we executed a marketing plan that included a variety of traditional (i.e, full page ad in the Star; radio spots) and digital efforts (emails to Pacers Insiders, Bankers Life Fieldhouse subscribers, Ticketmaster subscribers).

We did a similar campaign for Paul George once he was announced as a participant in the dunk contest. Fans were able to get select Krieg DeVault Club Level tickets (Sections 109 and 112) for $24 (see here (http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/paul_george_ticket_deal_2012.html)).

The energy at PS&E is at an all-time high since I started in May 2005... and that includes the last playoff run of Reggie's career. We are committed to making every home game a great experience and a worthy investment. I stop by PD about 3x a week (some times as a troll), so keep the ideas and feedback coming.

Good stuff. I really think those two can put butts in seats. Also, Coach Vogel. The man is very lovable.

I think FlavaDave really hit the nail on the head, people got turned off from this team because of the characters on it, but those guys are gone and we got some great guys here. Word just needs to get out on these guys.

AesopRockOn
02-25-2012, 03:41 AM
Losses alone didn't turn people away. Winning alone won't get them back.

When I read these two sentences, I hear a Hanz Zimmer score.

This summer...

Brinocerous
02-25-2012, 08:48 AM
From the view out here in the sticks, the Pacers could be doing a much better job of marketing to fans outside of 465. The voice over the PA says "Your Indiana Pacers....." but the marketing push falls way short of this promise. If I wasn't already a fan, I would not be aware of the teams existence outside of the occasional blurb on the TV news. The Pacers are not even on the radar when it comes to local papers and radio and I don't see any sort of effort to build local interest.

There are literally hundreds of high school teams in the state. How much effort would it take to load up a few players, a coach or two and a camera man in a van and drive to Wabash or Frankfort or Spencer to put on a mini skill clinic and give a ra-ra speech for the local kids? This would be a big deal to the smaller communities and would be an easy positive story to spoon feed the local media.

Deadshot
02-25-2012, 10:19 AM
I've been to at least 4 Bobcats games this year and went to 8 last season after January. Yes they suck, but a decent amount of people still go to the games. And they do have sell-outs or near sell-outs when the big teams like Miami come in. I'm pretty sure they're not fudging their numbers.

I know BLF is accessible as well, but TWC arena is right downtown with a lightrail that stops there. There are many nice restaurants in the area that make for a good gamenight experience. The scary part about the decent attendance is that the city really hasn't embraced the Bobcats. If they were winning they would be near the top in attendance.

rel
02-25-2012, 10:24 AM
it doesn't help when seriously the majority of northwest Indiana and mainly the 219 seem to be anti anything indiana and pretend to be a part of Chicago.

Lord Helmet
02-25-2012, 11:25 AM
That simply isn't true. According to this article and several others I recall the sellout streak started in 1998. The article was too long to post, but it is really good about the art of selling tickets, worth a read

http://www.allbusiness.com/sports-recreation/sports-games-outdoor-recreation/11768429-1.html


The Indianapolis Colts have sold out every home game since the final game of the 1998 season, giving the team the 14th-longest home sellout streak in the 32-team National Football League. The Colts' 81-game regular season streak is a long way behind the Washington Redskins' league leading streak of 327, but is no less amazing considering where the team was less than a decade ago.


"In the late '90s we were doing a fire drill almost every week just to avoid a TV blackout during Sunday's we had home games," said Ray Compton, who joined the team in 1997 as executive director of business development and departed to start his own marketing firm in 2005. "Putting so much time and energy into single-game and group sales was a tremendous drain."


The amazing transformation, Compton said, took off "draft day, 1998, when [team ownerl Jim Irsay and [President] Bill Pollan pulled the trigger on drafting Peyton."



Source: http://www.allbusiness.com/sports-recreation/sports-games-outdoor-recreation/11768429-1.html#ixzz1nJJ2W0H8


http://coltsfans.wordpress.com/2009/02/21/economy-posses-major-threat-to-sellout-streak/

While they may have sold out the games, maybe I should have put more emphasis on "blackout." That Titans @ Colts season opener back in 2003 did not sell out before the NFL's Thursday deadline, and so it was blacked out locally. I remember a few games in 2003 we went to simply because we weren't going to be able to watch back home in Richmond.


When I read these two sentences, I hear a Hanz Zimmer score.

This summer...
HA! :laugh:


it doesn't help when seriously the majority of northwest Indiana and mainly the 219 seem to be anti anything indiana and pretend to be a part of Chicago.
It makes me sick. Eff Chicago. They think Notre Dame is Chicago and that's one of the reasons it is hard for me to root for Notre Dame.

RobfromPacers
02-25-2012, 02:21 PM
Rob, I really want to thank you for hanging out here, having the reputation to get a serious rep from PS&E is amazing.

What many of us want to understand, though, is what PS&E is doing to reach out to that "hometown" basketball fan, the guy who isn't going to pacers.com every day or isn't really out looking for tickets to the Pacer game. What is being done to integrate this Pacer team (and ongoing Pacer teams) to that "Indiana's Game" that is presented in the pregame video.

What needs to happen is to think how the Pacers can be associated with basketball at all levels in Indiana the way the Colts are more-or-less associated with football at all levels in Indiana.

There are a lot of us out here who want to help, some with more expertise than others, but everyone with a desire to make sure the Pacers are there in 20 or 40 years for a kid who is now 10 or 11 just like they are for those of us who grew up in the ABA years or the Reggie/Rifleman years. Just let us know what we can do.

I don't think the world wants me to respond to this thread. I've typed it 3 times now and each time my system crashed. But let's try it again.

You mentioned the Colts being associated with football on all levels. We have a similar strategy with our youth basketball efforts. Throughout the year, we put on a variety of camps and clinics led by Darnel Hillman. Some of the camps are free to the public while others have a cost to it, but every camp focuses on the fundamentals of basketball.

During the offseason, we have the Summer Hoops Tour, which features our players, front office, and coaching staff in select gyms throughout the area. The Tour is geared towards kids that typically can't afford to attend a camp on their own.

During the season, we go throughout the state and host camps in coordination with the National Basketball Academy. Next month, we'll host camps in Indianapolis (SportsZone and Decatur Central), Greenfield, Zionsville, and Bankers Life Fieldhouse. Details on these camps can be found here (http://www.thebasketballacademy.com/about.asp?id=213&PID=1).

Outside of the game of basketball, we make 100s of appearances that include some or all of the following: players, coaches, front office, Pacers Fan Van, Boomer and the Pacemates. Each player makes appearances throughout the season. Many of you went to visit Roy Hibbert last week at the IMCU on the north side of town. These types of meet-and-greets along with visits to local hospitals are common for our guys.

As you saw last month (http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/boomers_dunk_show_2012_01_21.html), Boomer broke the basketball goal during a dunk show at a high school game in New Pal. Throughout the year, Boomer will make up to 50 appearances to put on a dunk show like the one he did at New Pal (minus the broken glass). These mainly take place during halftimes of high school basketball games. Besides the dunk shows, you'll see Boomer at a variety of events, especially during the summer when festivals and town fairs are occurring.

Some have asked why we don't advertising outside of I-465. I think that stems mainly from seeing so many Pacers billboards, which are typically located around the interstate. We do advertise outside of the 465 loop. By the end of the season, we will place ads in The Hendricks County Flyer, Lafayette Journal and Greenfield Reporter, among others. We'll place radio spots on all Emmis, Clear Channel, Radio One, and Cumulus. This is on top of any interviews you'll hear from our front office, coaches, players or broadcasters.

Our biggest reach comes from our advertising in The Indianapolis Star and our game broadcasts on TV and the radio network. The switch from 1070 AM to 93.1 FM really helped increase the number of fans able to listen to our radio broadcasts. If you like outside of the 93.1 bubble, then you're most likely in one of our radio network affiliates.

I grew up in Indiana. I'm a basketball fan on all levels, but I've always been more of a Pacers fan than any other local team. I know how important basketball is to our state. And, yes, I still believe we are a basketball state. We may take it for granted at times, but when we had Bill Simmons from ESPN in our offices to interview Larry Bird and attend the 2/4 game, he couldn't believe how many basketball goals he saw and how many different basketball-related "monuments" there were (from the Fieldhouse to NCAA to Hickory High). It was the reason we launched "Indiana's Game - Indiana's Team" as our theme. We appreciate being a part of the history of Indiana basketball and want to continue growing and building it for future generations.

Peck
02-25-2012, 02:39 PM
Rob just a quick question.

Does the league still limit you guys the same number of miles that they used to for advertising?

I know that it used to be some ridiculously small number like 75 miles (which would prohibit you guys from doing Terre Haute) putting you guys at a severe disadvantage.

RobfromPacers
02-25-2012, 02:51 PM
Rob just a quick question.

Does the league still limit you guys the same number of miles that they used to for advertising?

I know that it used to be some ridiculously small number like 75 miles (which would prohibit you guys from doing Terre Haute) putting you guys at a severe disadvantage.

Each team has a marketing radius. Though I wasn't with the team in the 90s, the marketing radius helped us as the MJ-led Bulls could have easily creeped into the Indianapolis DMA and established a new fan base.

Peck
02-25-2012, 03:01 PM
Each team has a marketing radius. Though I wasn't with the team in the 90s, the marketing radius helped us as the MJ-led Bulls could have easily creeped into the Indianapolis DMA and established a new fan base.

True.

BTW just as a side note you guys might want to consider something for the Crawfordsville Strawberry festival that is held each year in early June. On the Saturday of the weekend the attendance is normally very good (low thousands). I'm sure if you could even just send out some P.R. people in the van that would attract a crowd of potential customers and if somehow you could get either Boomer or Pacemates there they would be featured attractions.

PGisthefuture
02-25-2012, 03:11 PM
True.

BTW just as a side note you guys might want to consider something for the Crawfordsville Strawberry festival that is held each year in early June. On the Saturday of the weekend the attendance is normally very good (low thousands). I'm sure if you could even just send out some P.R. people in the van that would attract a crowd of potential customers and if somehow you could get either Boomer or Pacemates there they would be featured attractions.

That's where I'm from, people come from all over....

Peck
02-25-2012, 03:21 PM
That's where I'm from, people come from all over....

There are several of us from Cville here on the Digest.

ksuttonjr76
02-25-2012, 04:06 PM
After reading this thread, there were quite a few good points being made. In my mind, the biggest needed thing for the Pacers to be more known is advertising. However, I'm going to expand on that comment. Not only do we need advertising from the local community, but we need it from the NBA AND ESPN. I can't tell you how many times that I play NBA 2K12, and I'm still so surprised that so many "casuals" believe that the Indiana Pacers "suck".

Keeping it real though, Indiana is a "boring" team to watch. We don't have the flash and flare of the other teams (highlight dunks, nasty crossover, etc), or have a player who does "Superstar" type of work like dropping 50 on the Heat. Heck, we don't even have the unpleasant headlines of the "I want a trade" demands (minus Artest). The true diehard fans of NBA basketball know that Indiana is good/great team. Players come here, play hard, and leave/trade without a word. The only time we were catching headlines was when the players' were having so many off-court issues which, as it was so nicely put earlier in this thread, taught the local AND casual fans to hate the Pacers.

The current Pacers remind of the Spurs during the early 2000's. Good fumdamental team, but boring to watch. The years when the Spurs went to the NBA Finals were the years that I didn't care about watching the Finals.

RLeWorm
02-25-2012, 04:15 PM
Lol I don't even a playoff run would matter, half the stadium will always be for the opponents. Good job Indiana!

Kuq_e_Zi91
02-25-2012, 05:15 PM
There comes a point when you have to stop blaming the team, the players, and the marketing. There comes a point when you have to look in the mirror and realize the Pacers are second to last in attendance because of the fans.

The brawl happened eight years ago. Fans and even sponsors wanted those players gone and they got their wish. That's a perfect example of negative reinforcement. It should have strengthened fan support, not diminished it. It's like you have a headache, and I give you an advil. The headache is gone, you feel better. Similarly, you wanted those players gone, they're gone. It's time to stop using the brawl as justification for the lack of fan support eight years later.

Can you blame the team for O'Brien and Murphleavy? You had a team that won 61 games, but the fans didn't like the players. So the organization trades the players for more likeable players. Then the fans still aren't happy. Except now they're unhappy because the team isn't winning or playing excitable ball. Well, no ****. That's what happens when you trade talent for nice guys.

Even after O'Brien got fired, and the team made the late season push to the playoffs, challenged the Bulls every game and even won a home game, the fans are still apathetic? There's no excuse for this. You have a winning team WITH highly likeable players. If fans don't know about the team or care enough to check, that's their fault. We have internet these days. We have facebook, twitter, etc. Don't blame marketing. Don't blame ESPN. Don't blame anyone but yourself.

If the Pacers leave, it will be no one's fault but the fans. There are many other cities that would welcome these guys with open arms. Maybe that's what it would take for Indiana to stop sleeping on this team and wake up -- a harsh dose of reality in the form of a truly empty building.

RobfromPacers
02-25-2012, 05:37 PM
True.

BTW just as a side note you guys might want to consider something for the Crawfordsville Strawberry festival that is held each year in early June. On the Saturday of the weekend the attendance is normally very good (low thousands). I'm sure if you could even just send out some P.R. people in the van that would attract a crowd of potential customers and if somehow you could get either Boomer or Pacemates there they would be featured attractions.

I believe we attended last summer, but would need to check. When is it this year? The web site (http://www.thestrawberryfestival.com/) isn't updated yet.

Peck
02-25-2012, 05:55 PM
I believe we attended last summer, but would need to check. When is it this year? The web site (http://www.thestrawberryfestival.com/) isn't updated yet.

Not sure why they haven't updated their own site but according to everywhere I've looked it is June 8-10.

As crazy as it sounds there are actually quite a few Pacer fans out here.


http://www.festing.com/detail.cfm?festid=29959

RWB
02-25-2012, 05:55 PM
Rob just a quick question.

Does the league still limit you guys the same number of miles that they used to for advertising?

I know that it used to be some ridiculously small number like 75 miles (which would prohibit you guys from doing Terre Haute) putting you guys at a severe disadvantage.

See this just kills me as we've discussed in other threads. The local ESPN radio afiliate (sp?) does carry some Pacer games. And I've heard Clark Kellogg have a guest interview for the evening drive time 2 hour program, but at least once a week the local show has a call from a Chicago writer/blogger to talk Bulls basketball. Seriously the Bulls get more exposure in THaute than the PAcers. Very sad..... Maybe the Pacers are too far away, I don't know. If not then as others have pointed out the PAcers have not made the effort that I can see around here.

Every year the Colts stop in at the local mall on their getting out to meet the folks tour and people line up. Many times the local television stations will start that out as their lead stories.

I can tell you I've seen the following folks in THaute during the years (Jack Ramsey, Chuck Person, Herb Williams, Reggie Miller, Randy Whitman, Greg Dreiling, Vern Fleming, Antonio Davis, Slick Leonard, and Billy Keller for some type of function. Any or all Pacer influence disappeared in Terre Haute after the finals team disbanded.

Roaming Gnome
02-25-2012, 06:03 PM
Rob, what's the situation in Fort Wayne regarding team coverage? I'm originally from FW and when I left in '99 there wasn't Radio or any form of TV coverage in the area. It's hard for me to believe that the team has no reach in a region of over 400,000 right here in Indiana. I think the closest radio affiliate to N.E. Indiana is in Berne, IN which is nearly 50 miles south of FW with a horrible signal.

I understand why there isn't coverage up in NW Indiana due to being so close to Chicago, but never understood the lack of coverage in the other northern corner of the state where the Pacers are the closest NBA franchise.

Hicks
02-25-2012, 06:44 PM
Lol I don't even a playoff run would matter, half the stadium will always be for the opponents. Good job Indiana!

Yeah, just like it was half filled with opposing fans from the mid/late 90's through the mid 2000's...... oh, wait.

Naptown_Seth
02-25-2012, 07:08 PM
Bill you may not like the answer but it can not be denied as a possibility.

Remember you are NOT a casual fan, that is who they are trying to reach.

Casual fans are going to come see LeBron or Dwight Howard, they are not going to go out of their way to come see the Hawks (even though they are a good team there is no star power) same for Utah.

So when we have had the big names in here (ie the Heat & Magic) we were crushed by a Magic team that did not have Dwight Howard for the majority of the game because of early foul trouble and then another time to the Magic where our last lead came at the 8:45 mark of the first quarter at 7-6. After that we never had a lead for the entire game.

Do we even need to talk about the Heat?

The only team that we have beaten at home that the casual fan might have gone to see was the Boston Celtics.

I'm sorry but I think that if I was John Q. Casual and the only game I atteneded at the start of the season was the Heat game then I walk away thinking of the Pacers what every one of us think of the Bobcats right now.
A 2nd round playoff run with Hibbert or Granger or George having some big game winning moments would go a long way toward fixing this.

Also most of April is at home and if they are making a run with warmer weather (for driving, being out) with home games night after night I think we will see things pick up a bit, like getting into the 14.5 range at least. Not great, but better.


People at work that I talk with now know that Hibbert, Granger, Collison and George are on the team. Some of them know that the kid from IUPUI is on the team. And of course they all know that Hans is on the team.

That's better than last year or two years ago. They still aren't going, but they do watch a bit more and they do ask me about the team a lot more since they know I'm a big fan.


So there might be some progress bubbling just below the surface. At least I hope there is because it's getting embarrassing for a "basketball state".

Naptown_Seth
02-25-2012, 07:17 PM
I hate to beat a dead horse, but we are also in a crappy economy....but Ill stop as I already had a thread where I beat this topic to death
True, but BillS already hit this issue. I heard a guy call JMV mad as hell that it costs $35 to sit in the nosebleeds at BLF.

Of course JMV set him straight (politely) as being a moron. I think he actually said "you might want to go check because I've seen a lot of $10 seat deals this year". I would have just gone with the moron angle myself. ;)

But that's one of the big problems. The team is throwing tons of deals out there and people act like nothing can be done.

You'll go to an IMAX for $15 but you won't go to a Pacers game on a 4 seats for $50 deal? There is free parking to be found, there is $3 parking to be found, and you don't have to have the $8 beer when you are out with the family anyway.

There are a lot of people following much more expensive entertainment options that pass on a Pacers game.


We have a fanbase problem, the same one we had in 1992, 93, 94...yep, even after the first playoff run there were tons of "yeah, they got lucky" casuals who still didn't fill up MSA the next year.

It took Bird's era to really get something going. Guess I was hoping that after it clicked everyone would be eager to stick with it, at the very least returning after the brawl squad was cleared out.

But now I think that if Smits and Jax had returned for 2 more years and the team had gone 32-50 in 2002 with them, that these fans would have abandoned them just as quickly. "they're old now, they suck, etc"

CableKC
02-25-2012, 07:23 PM
A 2nd round playoff run with Hibbert or Granger or George having some big game winning moments would go a long way toward fixing this.

Also most of April is at home and if they are making a run with warmer weather (for driving, being out) with home games night after night I think we will see things pick up a bit, like getting into the 14.5 range at least. Not great, but better.


People at work that I talk with now know that Hibbert, Granger, Collison and George are on the team. Some of them know that the kid from IUPUI is on the team. And of course they all know that Hans is on the team.

That's better than last year or two years ago. They still aren't going, but they do watch a bit more and they do ask me about the team a lot more since they know I'm a big fan.


So there might be some progress bubbling just below the surface. At least I hope there is because it's getting embarrassing for a "basketball state".
This is why I think that the goal of this season is to make it to the 2nd round.....making it to the 1st round won't do it....we got there last season. In order to make it to the next level....both from the development of the Team AND creating a stronger fanbase.....the Team HAS TO make a buzz on a local and national level by making it into the 2nd round of the Playoffs ( this is what the Hawks did a few years back ).

As you said...it starts with the casual fans recognizing and noticing who is on the primary core....the next step is to make it into the 2nd round with that core so that fans can realize that this core of Players is worth rallying around and supporting.

It's a long process to win back the fans.......but I think that Bird realizes this and building the Team the right way. The window to win back fans with the current core of Players ( specifically with West and Granger ) is over the next 2 years.

That's why I think that Bird will make a move to shore up the primary core of Players and why I can totally see him making a move by this trade deadline.

CableKC
02-25-2012, 07:27 PM
True, but BillS already hit this issue. I heard a guy call JMV mad as hell that it costs $35 to sit in the nosebleeds at BLF.

Of course JMV set him straight (politely) as being a moron. I think he actually said "you might want to go check because I've seen a lot of $10 seat deals this year". I would have just gone with the moron angle myself. ;)

But that's one of the big problems. The team is throwing tons of deals out there and people act like nothing can be done.

You'll go to an IMAX for $15 but you won't go to a Pacers game on a 4 seats for $50 deal? There is free parking to be found, there is $3 parking to be found, and you don't have to have the $8 beer when you are out with the family anyway.

There are a lot of people following much more expensive entertainment options that pass on a Pacers game.
It's not exactly comparing apples to oranges when it comes to comparing a night out in Indy and with the Warriors ( so that you can get an idea about how high it could be....parking in the Oracle Arena lot is $18 ), but I'd "proverbially" kill for the type of deals that the Pacers offer the local fanbase.

vapacersfan
02-25-2012, 07:33 PM
Well said KC and Seth.

I wish the Redskins would offer any kind of the deals the Pacers do. Dan Snyder robs us blind, then laughs all the way to the bank (and us idiots keep showing back up!)

/siderant

The Wizards have been offering lots of good deals this season, though everything I have seen has been on the aftermarket (seats were on stubhub the other day for $4....and that was 2 hours before the game. Granted the team just plain sucks.

grace
02-25-2012, 07:34 PM
I am going to pull your BS card on this on this one good sir.
There is not a bad seat in the place even if you are in the last row.
As a matter of fact I took a friend down sat balcony level for around 12 bucks and he was amazed because sitting there was like the view from tv.

I call BS back ;). We went to Reggie's retirement game and had seats for high up in the balcony I felt like I was sitting above the banners. Granted, my opinion might be a little bit tainted since the game was so bad we left after half time.

CableKC
02-25-2012, 07:38 PM
Well said KC and Seth.

I wish the Redskins would offer any kind of the deals the Pacers do. Dan Snyder robs us blind, then laughs all the way to the bank (and us idiots keep showing back up!)
Yep....you said it. After reading TBird's most recent thread and the Pacers marketing push by involving local schools and ( I assume ) youth basketball programs....which I assume includes donating and giving to charities and local community programs....I really like what the FO and PR department has done.

grace
02-25-2012, 07:40 PM
But, there's one-way streets!!!! And people walking the crosswalks!!! And horse led carriages!!!!

And there's the jack :censored: guy stopping traffic so the cars in the mall parking lot can get out. I won't go to games between Thanksgiving and New Year's because I was afriad I'd lose it and run the guy over.

vapacersfan
02-25-2012, 07:54 PM
PS. Rob, what are you doing working on a Saturday. You are supposed to kill time at work by browsing Pacers fan sites :p

Unclebuck
02-25-2012, 08:31 PM
Is Indianapolis the only NBA city that does not have an NBA media member at the NBA allstar events this weekend. The Star has not sent anyone, pacers.com no one

vapacersfan
02-25-2012, 08:56 PM
Is Indianapolis the only NBA city that does not have an NBA media member at the NBA allstar events this weekend. The Star has not sent anyone, pacers.com no one

http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthread.php?t=70011

Day-V
02-25-2012, 09:02 PM
Is Indianapolis the only NBA city that does not have an NBA media member at the NBA allstar events this weekend. The Star has not sent anyone, pacers.com no one

Pacers.com is there.....

MagicRat
02-25-2012, 09:26 PM
But now I think that if Smits and Jax had returned for 2 more years and the team had gone 32-50 in 2002 with them, that these fans would have abandoned them just as quickly. "they're old now, they suck, etc"

The best thing I can come up with as a predictor of average attendance for a season is the total number of wins in that season and the prior season. Roughly 90% correlation. Only 70% correlation using the number of wins in the current season.

Assuming they won the same 41 games in 2001 and only won 32 games in '02 they would've drawn 12,475 per game (unless they were as aggressive with discounts/freebies as they were the last few years)........


http://home.comcast.net/%7Emagic_rat/Attendance-Graph.jpg

MagicRat
02-25-2012, 09:30 PM
Is Indianapolis the only NBA city that does not have an NBA media member at the NBA allstar events this weekend. The Star has not sent anyone, pacers.com no one

I'm sure once the Star starts charging for online content they'll be able to afford to send Wells........

RobfromPacers
02-25-2012, 10:11 PM
Is Indianapolis the only NBA city that does not have an NBA media member at the NBA allstar events this weekend. The Star has not sent anyone, pacers.com no one

We have 3 people representing Pacers.com, social and email and 1 person from our PR department. That's how we have so much video at All-Star Central (http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/2012_allstar_central.html).

I believe Ashley Adamson from Channel 8 is there, too.

RobfromPacers
02-25-2012, 10:14 PM
PS. Rob, what are you doing working on a Saturday. You are supposed to kill time at work by browsing Pacers fan sites :p

Very nice.

Unclebuck
02-25-2012, 10:46 PM
We have 3 people representing Pacers.com, social and email and 1 person from our PR department. That's how we have so much video at All-Star Central (http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/2012_allstar_central.html).

I believe Ashley Adamson from Channel 8 is there, too.

Thanks.

RobfromPacers
02-26-2012, 12:46 AM
Rob, what's the situation in Fort Wayne regarding team coverage? I'm originally from FW and when I left in '99 there wasn't Radio or any form of TV coverage in the area. It's hard for me to believe that the team has no reach in a region of over 400,000 right here in Indiana. I think the closest radio affiliate to N.E. Indiana is in Berne, IN which is nearly 50 miles south of FW with a horrible signal.

I understand why there isn't coverage up in NW Indiana due to being so close to Chicago, but never understood the lack of coverage in the other northern corner of the state where the Pacers are the closest NBA franchise.

In December 2010, Comcast and XFINITY added Fox Sports to their lineup in Ft. Wayne area. I need to double-check the radio broadcast list.

graphic-er
02-26-2012, 01:50 AM
In December 2010, Comcast and XFINITY added Fox Sports to their lineup in Ft. Wayne area. I need to double-check the radio broadcast list.

Amazing to think that 2 years ago the largest cable provider in the state did not have Pacer games showing in the 2nd largest city in the state. Just amazing...

Cactus Jax
02-26-2012, 02:35 AM
Well said KC and Seth.

I wish the Redskins would offer any kind of the deals the Pacers do. Dan Snyder robs us blind, then laughs all the way to the bank (and us idiots keep showing back up!)

/siderant

The Wizards have been offering lots of good deals this season, though everything I have seen has been on the aftermarket (seats were on stubhub the other day for $4....and that was 2 hours before the game. Granted the team just plain sucks.

Well the Wizards do have Javell McGee, and Nick Young as comedy entertainment along with the actual game.

boombaby1987
03-07-2012, 05:38 PM
Now were last in attendance. Pretty sad. :(

KingGeorge
03-07-2012, 05:54 PM
Now were last in attendance. Pretty sad. :(

We haven't really played in big name teams at home this year. Our attendance numbers should rise in the next month with 6 sellouts/near sellouts (Knicks x 2, LAC, OKC, BOS, MIA)

Trophy
03-07-2012, 06:20 PM
We haven't really played in big name teams at home this year. Our attendance numbers should rise in the next month with 6 sellouts/near sellouts (Knicks x 2, LAC, OKC, BOS, MIA)

It shouldn't matter who we're playing. Your fans should be there to see you and this team deserves to come home and play in front of larger home crowds.

People are just incredibly stingy it seems or the team needs to market itself better.

We play on ESPN a week from tonight and that needs to be known because it'd be an embarrassment for Indy's fanbase if the crowd turnout remains the way it's been.

KingGeorge
03-07-2012, 06:57 PM
It shouldn't matter who we're playing. Your fans should be there to see you and this team deserves to come home and play in front of larger home crowds.

People are just incredibly stingy it seems or the team needs to market itself better.

We play on ESPN a week from tonight and that needs to be known because it'd be an embarrassment for Indy's fanbase if the crowd turnout remains the way it's been.

I totally agree. No excuse when you can get tickets on StubHub for 50 cents, 10 tickets for 55 bucks, etc.

There isn't much we can do but go to the games and show support when we can. I live 90 minutes away and have already been to 7 games this season. I try to take different friends each time trying to grow the fan base. Now they are all begging me to go to more games. That's the best advice I can give.

Bird Fan
03-07-2012, 07:11 PM
Went to my first game of the year last night and there was a lot more energy in the place compared to last year when I went to a Philly and New York game. The NY game even came down to a couple last second shots, but the crowd at last night's game was a lot more into it.

I have high hopes, especially since the city is looking for a team to surround themselves now.

thewholefnshow31
03-08-2012, 01:41 PM
The Pacers are not doing themselves any favors by completely falling on their face each time they play a playoff caliber team.

To a casual fan seeing them get blown out twice against the Heat will have more of an impact then a few wins against bottom feeders like Charlotte or New Orleans.

Even with that said for a top five team in the East it is pretty embarrassing to have our attendance that low.

_The_Future_
03-08-2012, 01:46 PM
I wonder if it has anything with advertising tickets and such? Beyond the commercials during the games, I rarely see any kind of commercial advertising ticket deals or anything.

Peck
03-08-2012, 02:01 PM
We have such a weird fan base.

Our casual fan base is one of the worst in the entire NBA if not the worst. However I contend that for a small market we actually have a very large die hard fan base.

No matter what team, no matter what our record you can always count on about 9 to 10k showing up at every game. For God's sake we had a movie premier for a movie that was going to be playing on free tv within a month and had over 8 k people at that.

We can all list a million reasons why people don't attend games and each one of them is probably correct. It's just very sad that those of us who are die hards and regular attendee's of the games have to live in fear that our franchise won't be here over the long term because we can not get enough support to attend games.

If Mr. Simon had a press conf. next year stating that he had to move the franchise could any of us really argue against it? (He's not doing that as I know there is an agreement with the CIB to be here through15 for sure, but you get my point.

KingGeorge
03-08-2012, 02:14 PM
I wonder if it has anything with advertising tickets and such? Beyond the commercials during the games, I rarely see any kind of commercial advertising ticket deals or anything.

I think that would help, but what we are really missing is the media exposure. Pacers are lucky to get a 2-3 minute segment on the news because they always take a back seat to the Manning saga and IU basketball. ESPN doesn't do us any favors either by rarely showing any highlights.

Unclebuck
03-08-2012, 02:33 PM
I wonder if it has anything with advertising tickets and such? Beyond the commercials during the games, I rarely see any kind of commercial advertising ticket deals or anything.


Around the time of the start of this season I saw billboards everywhere I looked it seemed for the 5 game package and getting the Heat for free. That seemed like a great advertisement to me - not sure how many 5 games packs they sold though.

_The_Future_
03-08-2012, 04:24 PM
Around the time of the start of this season I saw billboards everywhere I looked it seemed for the 5 game package and getting the Heat for free. That seemed like a great advertisement to me - not sure how many 5 games packs they sold though.

Maybe in and around the Indy area. I am in Bloomington though. So its mainly IU stuff. But I never see any commercials for games and tickets unless I am watching FSN IND for a game. I def think that it would push me more to go to a game if I were reminded more often. Also living an hour away and having a pregnant girlfriend makes it hard also :)

_The_Future_
03-08-2012, 04:26 PM
Also when the games were on Channel 4 they had commercials for the Pacers all the time. I think more state wide advertising would help. Im not sure how much but Im sure it would a little. More commercials, newspaper ads, billboards, etc.

kielbeze
03-08-2012, 08:41 PM
I think Old Laycock just needs to step it up and give us some of those signs like the highschools make for players yards.

Proud Pacers season ticket holder.
(317) 917-2500
Insert B/A Player Photo here
:D

I would rock it at my house.

Sandman21
03-08-2012, 09:22 PM
I'd put seven of them in my front yard. Plus they are almost visible from Washington Street then! :D

And I live near an approach for the airport. We could put a GIANT one on my roof too. :D

Free advertising FTW!

BillS
03-08-2012, 11:05 PM
I think Old Laycock just needs to step it up and give us some of those signs like the highschools make for players yards.

Proud Pacers season ticket holder.
(317) 917-2500
Insert B/A Player Photo here
:D

I would rock it at my house.

I'm on US36 with a bunch of traffic going by every day and I would gladly violate town ordinances to rock a sign like that.

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Hicks
03-08-2012, 11:23 PM
I'm on US36 with a bunch of traffic going by every day and I would gladly violate town ordinances to rock a sign like that.

Sent from my cm_tenderloin using Tapatalk

"cm_tenderloin" ??

HC
03-08-2012, 11:33 PM
Around the time of the start of this season I saw billboards everywhere I looked it seemed for the 5 game package and getting the Heat for free. That seemed like a great advertisement to me - not sure how many 5 games packs they sold though.

I looked at the 5 game 55 dollar packs earlier, and none were available.

90'sNBARocked
03-08-2012, 11:44 PM
http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-chat-with-mark-nugent-3812




Eric P

Mark, did you see mondays game? How could the Pacers play so well for the first half, then get waxed like a new Bentley the second? What is your honest opinion on the Pacers? Pacer fans think, DC should be instant offense off the bench and we need a pass first PG, and an upgrade at SG. Also I dont think Roy is worth more than 10M plus

Mark Nugent

Roy will be worth whatever the market dictates. He is one of, if not the only major center on the market this offseason (After Howard of course).

The Pacers need someone to score in the clutch. not sure Granger is that guy. I think they should look into trading Granger for a true shooting guard, like Monta Ellis and then they can move George to the 3.


Eric P

Dear Mark, as a Pacer fan, could you please tell Mr Rose, we are sorry for “celebrating” and then kindly remind him that his own player, Noah, will celebrate like he saved the world, just because he drew a charge. Pot meet kettle?

Mark Nugent

Yes, Noah celebrates big time, so does Boozer. I think that was just a way for the Bulls to say they don’t like losing to the Pacers.

and he's a Bulls fan/writer

90'sNBARocked
03-08-2012, 11:49 PM
A 2nd round playoff run with Hibbert or Granger or George having some big game winning moments would go a long way toward fixing this.

Also most of April is at home and if they are making a run with warmer weather (for driving, being out) with home games night after night I think we will see things pick up a bit, like getting into the 14.5 range at least. Not great, but better.


People at work that I talk with now know that Hibbert, Granger, Collison and George are on the team. Some of them know that the kid from IUPUI is on the team. And of course they all know that Hans is on the team.

That's better than last year or two years ago. They still aren't going, but they do watch a bit more and they do ask me about the team a lot more since they know I'm a big fan.


So there might be some progress bubbling just below the surface. At least I hope there is because it's getting embarrassing for a "basketball state".

I dont want to start somethin that will lead to deleted threads or locks, but I would love for you to elaborate on that ;)

Think I know

jeffg-body
03-09-2012, 11:35 PM
I know around here in Alexandria it is more that economically most people just can't afford to attend the games regularly. My family had season tickets for about a 10 year span but a few years ago several of our relatives couldn't do it whether it was layoff from jobs or increased prices just living day to day. We still love our Pacers, but we have to do it as a get together in front of the TV. If we lived closer to Indy it would be easier but we don't.