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90'sNBARocked
02-20-2012, 12:23 PM
http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-chat-with-bill-ingram-22012



Cain

Would the Pacers be willing to part with Granger? George needs to be at SF to reach his potential. Would love a trade of Granger for Martin + Pick.

Bill Ingram

In the past Granger has been absolutely untouchable, but if the Pacers could get a true SG I think they would at least think about it. They’re more interested in Courtney Lee, honestly, than Martin, who is a fairly one-dimensional player. When his shot’s off he’s a liability.

I guess we are trying to bring in anyone from Naptown ( G hill , Lee, Gordon etc.)

Unclebuck
02-20-2012, 12:27 PM
That seems like wild speculation, no make that extremely wild speculation

Kstat
02-20-2012, 12:27 PM
well, as long as they don't surrender a mid-first rounder for him, what can it hurt? The Pacers still need a volume shooter off the bench.

RWB
02-20-2012, 12:29 PM
And next week the Pacers will be the leading contenders for Greg Oden.

PGisthefuture
02-20-2012, 12:30 PM
Courtney Lee looked like he was going to have a solid career after his rookie season in Orlando. Since then he has been traded a few times and I haven't really heard much about him. I wouldn't mind sending Dahntay or Price and maybe a 2nd round pick for Lee. It doesn't hurt to get a young guy with some potential on your bench and he could solve our backup wing problems. It also helps he is from Indy of course...

BringJackBack
02-20-2012, 12:31 PM
Another two-way player... That would be a good move to make.

Sandman21
02-20-2012, 12:31 PM
I'm not sure Courtney would want to come back to Indy... During that whole overblown dust-up with George and the Sportszone place, I thought Courtney's tweets about why he doesn't come back to Indy often was pretty telling.

graphic-er
02-20-2012, 12:33 PM
I'm not sure Courtney would want to come back to Indy... During that whole overblown dust-up with George and the Sportszone place, I thought Courtney's tweets about why he doesn't come back to Indy often was pretty telling.

Pretty much this.... he's a guy who couldn't wait to leave Indiana-no-place. Which is hilarious considering where he went to play college ball.

I'd be very disappointed if we got this guy as part of a trade.

imawhat
02-20-2012, 12:38 PM
I think this guy lost his credibility with the Mayo trade.

90'sNBARocked
02-20-2012, 12:43 PM
That seems like wild speculation, no make that extremely wild speculation

I think its speculation on your part,

I mean these guys do this for a living, and although not perfect , found them to be pretty accurate so I tend to believe the Pacers have expressed interest in Courtney Lee

I dont think its "wild speculation" at all

Just my opinion though

90'sNBARocked
02-20-2012, 12:44 PM
I think this guy lost his credibility with the Mayo trade.

?????

Please elaborate

Sandman21
02-20-2012, 12:46 PM
Pretty much this.... he's a guy who couldn't wait to leave Indiana-no-place. Which is hilarious considering where he went to play college ball.

I couldn't wait to leave when I was the same age, so I went to Vincennes for three years. Not all that different from Western Kentucky. Actually, come to think of it, Western Kentucky was probably more active.:laugh:

vnzla81
02-20-2012, 12:46 PM
So he is suggesting that we want to trade Danny for Lee? Hell no!!!

He is a known Rockets fan by the way of course he wants that deal to happen.

McKeyFan
02-20-2012, 12:55 PM
The Pacers still need a volume shooter off the bench.

I could be a volume shooter off the bench.

Dahntay seems like he is a longer leash away from being a volume shooter.

Tyler is posing as a pretty good volume shooter.

I think I know what you mean. There's got to be better terminology.

Dr. Awesome
02-20-2012, 12:55 PM
I always think it's hilarious when people say George can't play SG.

BringJackBack
02-20-2012, 12:56 PM
Yeah I'd absorb Lee's contract or take him for a player + 2nd round pick... He won't be with Houston next season and we could use him as a glue piece to give our depth more credibility.

MillerTime
02-20-2012, 12:57 PM
I'd rather have Terrence Williams

BPump33
02-20-2012, 12:58 PM
And next week the Pacers will be the leading contenders for Greg Oden.

Too bad we can't afford what Kentucky is paying for M. Teague. :D

Peck
02-20-2012, 12:59 PM
http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-chat-with-bill-ingram-22012




I guess we are trying to bring in anyone from Naptown ( G hill , Lee, Gordon etc.)

So we now know that one of Vnzla81's internet names is Cain.:cool:

xBulletproof
02-20-2012, 01:00 PM
?????

Please elaborate

Well, we don't have OJ Mayo. Yet he's the guy who claimed it was a done deal, when it obviously wasn't. Then took the article down a little while later.

http://www.pacersdigest.com/showpost.php?p=1316012&postcount=328

BringJackBack
02-20-2012, 01:01 PM
I'd rather have Terrence Williams

I sure wouldn't. Lee has good playoff experience, and is not only proven but the talent is already there. He just fell off the map in Houston, and has been playing behind Kevin Martin. He hasn't become the scorer that a lot of people thought he'd become, but he plays offense and defense and would provide some very solid bench production.

Terrence on the other hand has not produced every opportunity he's had.

HickeyS2000
02-20-2012, 01:01 PM
With this headline I would have thought I was reading SI's Truths and Rumors.

vnzla81
02-20-2012, 01:03 PM
So we now know that one of Vnzla81's internet names is Cain.:cool:



:swear:

xBulletproof
02-20-2012, 01:07 PM
:swear:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_J_Tj7C6oEH0/S4A-26WSj1I/AAAAAAAAAYw/JYq18w0liwo/s640/busted.jpg

Peck
02-20-2012, 01:08 PM
I think its speculation on your part,

I mean these guys do this for a living, and although not perfect , found them to be pretty accurate so I tend to believe the Pacers have expressed interest in Courtney Lee

I dont think its "wild speculation" at all

Just my opinion though

You have to remember though a lot of these reporters (hard to say that with a straight face) get their information from player agents. So if say player A's agent wants his client to seem more coveted then he will list teams that he has been in contact with. That makes it appear that the team is interested when in fact they are just listening. They may have an interest or they may not.

Also the agent may have talked to a scout or other low level person and when it is reported as team is interested in a player it looks like the G.M. is making the calls.

I'm not saying he is doing that here, but you have to be very cautious following these.

Reporters who have less scrupals will sometimes think that teams should make a move and therefor report it as "team A is interested in player B" when in truth the move makes sense but nobody is doing anything one way or the other.

Again not saying he is doing that, but it does happen.

BringJackBack
02-20-2012, 01:10 PM
Is it just me or does Peck & Vnzla remind anyone of Hannity & Colmes? :laugh:

Sparhawk
02-20-2012, 03:07 PM
Lee can certainly shoot the ball. I don't know much else about him. What's his athleticism, speed, defense like?

Lee + Morris/Paterson
for
Hans + DJ + 2nd round pick

90'sNBARocked
02-20-2012, 03:14 PM
Well, we don't have OJ Mayo. Yet he's the guy who claimed it was a done deal, when it obviously wasn't. Then took the article down a little while later.

http://www.pacersdigest.com/showpost.php?p=1316012&postcount=328

I think it was a done deal, just that NO didnt get the paperwork done in time. There were, at the time I believe, multiple sources saying this is a done deal

I could be incorrect though

90'sNBARocked
02-20-2012, 03:16 PM
Is it just me or does Peck & Vnzla remind anyone of Hannity & Colmes? :laugh:

LMAO

I met Peck and VZLA in person

neither one had a gray haired blowout and a american flag pendant though :)

Hicks
02-20-2012, 03:16 PM
Wasn't Lee like a better version of Brandon Rush for Orlando?

90'sNBARocked
02-20-2012, 03:17 PM
Lee can certainly shoot the ball. I don't know much else about him. What's his athleticism, speed, defense like?

Lee + Morris/Paterson
for
Hans + DJ + 2nd round pick

I read on the site that apparently Houston Mgt. severly overates their players and want much more than their worth in a trade back

shocking , I know

90'sNBARocked
02-20-2012, 03:18 PM
Wasn't Lee like a better version of Brandon Rush for Orlando?

Not even close . The problem was they paid Martin a kings ransom and he gets the lion share of the SG minutes

Which begs another question : Would we be interested in Kevin Martin?

Salary high but the pne thing he excells at is getting to the line

Justin Tyme
02-20-2012, 03:26 PM
Another two-way player... That would be a good move to make.


Courtney Lee was my pick over Rush, so I'd be happy if the Pacers got him. I heard/read that Houston really liked Lee, so I'll be surprised if they trade him.

Justin Tyme
02-20-2012, 03:38 PM
Wasn't Lee like a better version of Brandon Rush for Orlando?


Yes.

He started his rookie year when the Magic had their best team and went deep in the playoffs. Otis Smith wouldn't re-sign Turk b/c of the money, so he traded for Carter and Lee went to the Nets... unhappily. Guess where Turk and his contract is now?? Orlando. Carter is now with his 2nd team since the Magic traded for him.

Justin Tyme
02-20-2012, 03:44 PM
Which begs another question : Would we be interested in Kevin Martin?




I'll put it as politely as I can........ he11 NO! His name and the word "D" can't be used in the same sentence. He makes Dunleavy look like "All 1st Team "D". Not to mention the money for his contract can be spent more wisely!

OakMoses
02-20-2012, 03:50 PM
Interested is such a vague term. Bird (and a lot of other GMs) is probably interested in Lee, but that's a long way for actively pursuing him.

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NapTonius Monk
02-20-2012, 03:54 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_J_Tj7C6oEH0/S4A-26WSj1I/AAAAAAAAAYw/JYq18w0liwo/s640/busted.jpg

:laugh:

xBulletproof
02-20-2012, 03:56 PM
I think it was a done deal, just that NO didnt get the paperwork done in time. There were, at the time I believe, multiple sources saying this is a done deal

I could be incorrect though

This was after the lockout. Not the trade deadline deal.

90'sNBARocked
02-20-2012, 03:59 PM
This was after the lockout. Not the trade deadline deal.

They probably were , figuring McBob in a sign and trade , until McBob left for Hollywood

xBulletproof
02-20-2012, 04:09 PM
They probably were , figuring McBob in a sign and trade , until McBob left for Hollywood

Except it wasn't. McRoberts agent said "that's news to me, considering we haven't even agreed to terms".

In other words, there wasn't even a sign, let alone a sign and trade.

xIndyFan
02-20-2012, 04:13 PM
Lee can certainly shoot the ball. I don't know much else about him. What's his athleticism, speed, defense like?

Lee + Morris/Paterson
for
Hans + DJ + 2nd round pick

undersized athletic 2. nice offensive player, but lack of size hampers his defense. IIRC, he tries to defend, but his size limits who he can guard.

he would be ok, but no more than that. certainly not worth giving up anything of value. personally i'd rather have DJ, lee cannot play anything except the 2.

ilive4sports
02-20-2012, 04:19 PM
I actually like Lee a lot. He was at WKU when I visited a lady friend there (that was an interesting weekend...). He was really good for Orlando, Its too bad he got traded after the finals season because he was a damn good player for them. I would be interested in getting him as long as we don't give up much.

And Kevin Martin? NO. He is like a poor mans Monta Ellis.

Mr_Smith
02-20-2012, 04:44 PM
I would love Courtney Lee to be a pacer being that I watched him play at my alma mater WKU. Great 4 years there.

CableKC
02-20-2012, 05:48 PM
Not even close . The problem was they paid Martin a kings ransom and he gets the lion share of the SG minutes

Which begs another question : Would we be interested in Kevin Martin?

Salary high but the pne thing he excells at is getting to the line
He's an efficient and effective scorer...but his defense is as good as Murphy's defense. Yes, his defense is that bad.

Strummer
02-20-2012, 05:50 PM
I don't think Ingram was saying the Pacers would trade Granger for Lee. But he may have some inside info on the aborted Kaman to Houston deal. Maybe Lee was the prize the Pacers were wanting to facilitate the deal.

Pacer Fan
02-20-2012, 06:28 PM
If the price is right, I would be happy!

CableKC
02-20-2012, 06:44 PM
Not even close . The problem was they paid Martin a kings ransom and he gets the lion share of the SG minutes

Which begs another question : Would we be interested in Kevin Martin?

Salary high but the pne thing he excells at is getting to the line
He's an efficient and effective scorer...but his defense is as good as Murphy's defense. Yes, his defense is that bad.

CableKC
02-20-2012, 11:14 PM
I mentioned it before....but I think that some trade could be had that centers around Kaman going to the Rockets, the Pacers getting Jordan Hill + Courtney Lee and no Salary going back to the Hornets along with some 2nd rounders.

Both Jordan Hill and Courtney Lee could fill some short terms needs and serve as rentals ( at worst ) or re-signed RFAs at the end of the season.

Lee could be a solid ( but cheap ) scorer as a Tweener SG/SF that could play in the 2nd unit and is one of those borderline Starter or a solid 6th to 8th rotational Player playing 24+ mpg.

Heisenberg
02-20-2012, 11:17 PM
I mentioned it before....but I think that some trade could be had that centers around Kaman going to the Rockets, the Pacers getting Jordan Hill + Courtney Lee and no Salary going back to the Hornets along with some 2nd rounders.

Both Jordan Hill and Courtney Lee could fill some short terms needs and serve as rentals ( at worst ) or re-signed RFAs at the end of the season.
Hill just got hurt, don't think it's serious but not for sure. Either way, I'm for it just for Paul George Hill

graphic-er
02-20-2012, 11:20 PM
I would love Courtney Lee to be a pacer being that I watched him play at my alma mater WKU. Great 4 years there.

You wouldn't happen to be a weatherman would you?

Justin Tyme
02-21-2012, 08:47 AM
Lee could be a solid ( but cheap ) scorer as a Tweener SG/SF that could play in the 2nd unit and is one of those borderline Starter or a solid 6th to 8th rotational Player playing 24+ mpg.


Lee is averaging 10/2/1 at 45% FG... 41% 3pt... 85% FT

Mr_Smith
02-21-2012, 12:25 PM
You wouldn't happen to be a weatherman would you?
You are on the right track....i work in TV but its behind the scenes

Lance George
02-21-2012, 12:42 PM
http://oi39.tinypic.com/iyfrsy.jpg (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=leeco01&y1=2012&p2=rushbr01&y2=2012)

Lee's a slightly more productive Brandon Rush. He'd be a good bench addition, but I wouldn't give up much for him. Certainly not a 1st round pick.

xIndyFan
02-21-2012, 01:29 PM
. . . Lee could be a solid ( but cheap ) scorer as a Tweener SG/SF that could play in the 2nd unit and is one of those borderline Starter or a solid 6th to 8th rotational Player playing 24+ mpg.

i don't see lee playing the 3 unless they let him stand on a chair. the guy is undersized as 2 already. guys would be shooting over him big time.

Justin Tyme
02-21-2012, 03:12 PM
i don't see lee playing the 3 unless they let him stand on a chair. the guy is undersized as 2 already. guys would be shooting over him big time.


Lee isn't undersized as a SG. You are correct he is undersized to be able to play SF.

RLeWorm
02-21-2012, 03:20 PM
when courtney lee was a rookie in Orlando i liked him a lot. Surprised they parted ways with for Vince carter.

Pacergeek
02-21-2012, 03:31 PM
Lee would fit in well here. He is an upgrade over Lance at the backup SG. Probably a better starter than Dahntay if Danny or Paul George are injured

CableKC
02-21-2012, 06:44 PM
i don't see lee playing the 3 unless they let him stand on a chair. the guy is undersized as 2 already. guys would be shooting over him big time.
My mistake...I thought he was a TWeener....but as JustinTyme mentioned...Lee is listed as 6'5".

Doddage
02-21-2012, 06:46 PM
Didn't Lee talk crap about Indy on Twitter when GH was complaining about Sports Zone?

Pacersalltheway10
02-21-2012, 07:29 PM
I don't want him based on his opinions toward Indy. It wouldn't be fair to the player or the team to bring in a player who doesn't want to be here.

Justin Tyme
02-21-2012, 07:34 PM
I don't want him based on his opinions toward Indy. It wouldn't be fair to the player or the team to bring in a player who doesn't want to be here.


Hill wasn't over jubliant about coming to Indy, but it's worked out fine. I see no problem with Courtney not being a professional about coming to Indy even if it's not a high choice of his.

CableKC
02-21-2012, 07:54 PM
As many have said.....as "Plan Y" ( nearly the last resort option )...if it cost us some capspace to acquire him ( such as my mentioned Kaman for JordanHill+Lee trade scenario ), I'd look into getting Lee....at worst, Lee is a rental.

spreedom
02-21-2012, 08:10 PM
From what I've heard, Lee's days are numbered in Houston because he wants an extension/payday and they aren't willing to give it to him. Whether that would contribute to him being any kind of headache is anyone's guess, but I'd say if we threw a 3yr/$15M contract his way, he'd be more than happy to play whatever role we ask of him.

Lee is a defensive specialist that shoots the hell out of the three and is capable of spot minutes at the 1 and 3 (and/or as a starter at the 2) if we lose some depth to trades/injury. I'd be extremely happy to see him as our 6th man.

Since it was mentioned above, does anyone else agree that trading Lee for Vince was basically the first in about 10 bad moves in a row for Orlando? I loved their core of Nelson/Lee/Hedo/Shard/Dwight... I feel like that lineup (with Hedo/Shard on the bench so Anderson starts, JJ Redick as 7th man) would be more productive than the one they're trotting out there right now...

Pacer Fan
02-21-2012, 08:12 PM
Jordan Hill has a sprained MCL, not sure I'd mess with that at the moment so close to the deadline. Would have to have a MRI for sure.

CJ Jones
02-21-2012, 08:14 PM
I always think it's hilarious when people say George can't play SG.

I got to ask... who said this? Yeah... no one.

A few people are saying maybe sf is his best position and have good reasons for saying it.

cdash
02-21-2012, 08:40 PM
She sounds hot.

xIndyFan
02-21-2012, 09:04 PM
My mistake...I thought he was a TWeener....but as JustinTyme mentioned...Lee is listed as 6'5".

listed is the key word. i don't have his pre-draft measurements, but i've seen him and he's not that tall.

CableKC
02-21-2012, 09:24 PM
From what I've heard, Lee's days are numbered in Houston because he wants an extension/payday and they aren't willing to give it to him. Whether that would contribute to him being any kind of headache is anyone's guess, but I'd say if we threw a 3yr/$15M contract his way, he'd be more than happy to play whatever role we ask of him.

Lee is a defensive specialist that shoots the hell out of the three and is capable of spot minutes at the 1 and 3 (and/or as a starter at the 2) if we lose some depth to trades/injury. I'd be extremely happy to see him as our 6th man.
I'd see how well he does in our system before offering him an extension.

Is his defense that solid?

I didn't know. Are we talking about BRush v2 that isn't as passive?

spreedom
02-22-2012, 01:48 AM
I'd see how well he does in our system before offering him an extension.

Is his defense that solid?

I didn't know. Are we talking about BRush v2 that isn't as passive?


I know he's a great man defender, but I also remember hearing that he's somehow one of the worst pick-and-roll defenders in the league despite being considered one of the best young defensive players overall.

mattie
02-22-2012, 08:09 AM
I got to ask... who said this? Yeah... no one.

A few people are saying maybe sf is his best position and have good reasons for saying it.

You keep saying SF would be his best position, but there's just no evidence to support that. His coach avoids playing him there except when he thought he needed to put him on LBJ (this was a disaster that was not repeated) and for a few spot minutes he was put on Rudy Gay. Rudy Gay isn't an overly physical player so he wasn't able to abuse Paul George like most small forwards can and do.

Anyhow, at shooting, guard not only does PG contribute to a tall wing tandem, he has the advantage of being taller, and having the size to post up most two guards in the league. Clear physical advantages.

At SF he just doesn't have any physical advantages except the ones you're dreaming it up in your head. It's ridiculous that merely because of PG's height, a small part of this board has decided he must be a SF. haha. He can't even play the position. Now, Joe Johnson? There's an example of a two guard that has no problem playing SF if the need arrives. If only PG could... that'd be nice.

The thing is, that wing positions are the same, with the only real difference being most SF's are physically bigger than most two guards. But you take the actual attributes of any two guard, and I'll find a SF that has the same and vice versa.

So that's why I find it so ridiculous that some here call PG a SF. He can't even play it, and he is one of the FEW two guards that just aren't physically big enough to play SF.

Here's what you'll hear from the "PG is a SF" crowd:

"shooting guards need to be great dribblers, PG is not" Just like Reggie Miller right?
"Forwards are at least 6'8" (i don't know if anyone would say that, but I know they believe it) just like Charles Barkley right?
"PG needs to use his quickness against SF" I'm sure PG can do that against guys like Iggy, Gay and LBJ. Oh wait, they're all quicker than George. (Here's a hint, PG isn't overly quick. He moves well, and has great foot work, but he's not overly quick)

Get over the PG is a SF. Or he can play SF. He can't. At least not yet. And when he does have the ability to play that position, no the Pacers aren't going to move him over to play SF where we already have an all star starting there.

Justin Tyme
02-22-2012, 09:24 AM
Since it was mentioned above, does anyone else agree that trading Lee for Vince was basically the first in about 10 bad moves in a row for Orlando?


Yep! I've never been a Otis Smith GM fan. He's made terrible decisions. Drafting Orton was laughable. The kid score 3 PPG at KY as a b/u.

Asher99
02-22-2012, 09:40 AM
She sounds hot.

Meet Courtney Lee....
http://hotmodelsdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/courtney-lee-24.jpg

Pacer Fan
02-22-2012, 09:49 AM
Strike a Pose! WoW

TheDavisBrothers
02-22-2012, 09:55 AM
That's a Courtney Lee we can all root for!

90'sNBARocked
02-22-2012, 10:04 AM
Meet Courtney Lee....
http://hotmodelsdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/courtney-lee-24.jpg

I would love to meet her

Where she at?

Asher99
02-22-2012, 10:16 AM
I would love to meet her

Where she at?

Wilmington, North Carolina. But don't stalk her because she's always looking over her shoulder.

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/070424/17/462e7a9617412.jpg

imbtyler
02-22-2012, 10:42 AM
Since I might as well provide my :twocents:, I would much rather have Courtney Lee instead of Dahntay Jones. To people saying he's an undersized SG: Lee is 6'5", an inch shorter than DJ and Rush, and the same height as Lancelot. I understand that some people have a problem with Lee's inability to play small forward, while DJ can swing between 2/3. But I still feel this would further push Paul George to playing that backup forward position, thus giving Lee open reign at the backup shooting guard position.

EXCEPT (and this is the biggest factor) we still have George Hill and Lance Stephenson to backup Paul at the 2. As is evident, until Frank starts giving Dahntay's backup small forward minutes to George, I would much rather find someone to replace Dahntay's 2/3 swingman position.

Regardless, we don't need Lee that much, especially if he has expressed disinterest in returning to Indiana (much akin to myself a couple years back).

pacergod2
02-22-2012, 12:58 PM
I would love that type of deal CableKC. I really like Jordan Hill's athleticism and versatility as a backup PF/C and Lee as a backup guard. Both players provide better athleticism and don't require a ton of shots or the ball in their hands. I think that is the kind of deal we should be looking for.

Courtney Lee is a terrific defender and an efficient shooter. He is very similar to Brandon Rush in the way they play the game. I wouldn't want everybody to be severely disappointed, so maybe it's not a great idea to bring him in (regardless of his fit).

McKeyFan
02-22-2012, 06:10 PM
Wilmington, North Carolina. But don't stalk her because she's always looking over her shoulder.

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/070424/17/462e7a9617412.jpg

Did someone say something about basketball?