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Dr. Awesome
02-18-2012, 02:50 AM
I've said for years that Raymond Felton has the ability to be a great PG in the right system and he proved that right in NY last year. Granted, that was the PG friendly system that D'Antoni run, but still. The guy is a great defender, can run an offense, and is clutch. The best part is, it looks like he is on the outs in Portland.

The Pacers need a PG who can be a leader and Felton has proven that he can be that guy on many occasions. He brings everything that we need as a team from the PG spot.

I do not think that he is the missing piece for this team, but I think he is a HUGE step in the right direction. I would love to see if there is a way we can get him with a package around Collison. If the Blazers are that unhappy with him, it might be something they'd go for. They get younger and save money.

Just something else to talk about...

Foul on Smits
02-18-2012, 02:52 AM
Seems like a sideways move at best.

Dr. Awesome
02-18-2012, 02:53 AM
Seems like a sideways move at best.

It wouldn't be. I can promise you that.

rock747
02-18-2012, 02:55 AM
I don't know if he would be a HUGE step in the right direction.

Dr. Awesome
02-18-2012, 03:07 AM
I scout players a lot, I've been scouting Felton since his Freshman year at UNC. I followed him in Charlotte and on the Knicks. I haven't had a chance to see him as much this year as I would have liked, but I can promise you, he would be huge for us.

He reminds me a lot of Chauncy Billups. Great defender, leader, and is clutch. Billups wasn't a huge player until he landed on the Pistons in the perfect system for him. Felton was having a breakout year with the Knicks until they traded him for Melo.

I'm not saying Felton will fit here like Billups did in Detroit, however, I feel like he will bring a lot to this team that Darren Collison can't/hasn't.

TheDavisBrothers
02-18-2012, 03:34 AM
There is a reason why Portland is unhappy with him...

Kuq_e_Zi91
02-18-2012, 03:39 AM
I'd be willing to bet that Jamaal Tinsley is in better shape than Felton right now.

Hypnotiq
02-18-2012, 03:50 AM
wow felton has deadset stunk to high heaven this year

no thanks

MrHale
02-18-2012, 04:04 AM
I live in portland and I doubt they trade him this year. Ya he's struggling this season but I don't think there ready to give up on him just yet.

McKeyFan
02-18-2012, 06:53 AM
Good post.

I love the idea. I'm a little biased as I have a warm spot in my heart for Felton. I watched him live in St. Louis as he hit a shot at the buzzer to win the NCAA Championship in front of 50,000 people.

D-BONE
02-18-2012, 08:37 AM
I'd be more apt to say yes if he hadn't been so terrible this season. Reading he may lose the starting gig to Jamaal Crawford...at least temporarily.

Definitely more of a purist's PG than DC, which I think would help. On the other hand the guy's always been a poor FG% shooter and has been challenged to stay in shape.

I'd at least investigate it based on the improvement in traditional PG characteristics and defense.

OakMoses
02-18-2012, 09:15 AM
If he's cheap (DC & Cap Space) it would be a great move. The fewer players we have in the starting five with obvious exploitable defensive weaknesses, the better we'll be as a team.

Right now the Pacers are too easy to attack because DC, Hibbert, and West are so easy to pick apart. Having a PG who was willing/able to fight through screens on the PnR would be a huge help to Roy and West.

Smits Happens
02-18-2012, 09:27 AM
The Blazers are obviously not happy with his play, but where have you seen he may be on the trading block? I haven't seen that reported anywhere.

jeffg-body
02-18-2012, 09:29 AM
This would be a great addition to our team. If we could get him for cheap I'd pull that trigger every time.

cdash
02-18-2012, 09:37 AM
Seems like a sideways move at best.

I tend to agree with this line of thinking. Felton is having a miserable year. I'm all about upgrading the point guard position, but I want it to be a clear, significant upgrade. I don't think Felton fits the bill.

LA_Confidential
02-18-2012, 09:46 AM
IMO Felton is a better option than DC but considering Felton's roots, he is a huge disappointment. He was a top 5 pick in the same Draft class as CP3 and D Will. You would at least expect him to be a little more successful in the league than he has been. He was in Charlotte though so I gues he gets the benefit of the doubt.

He did look a lil fat on the court against the Clips too. Hey what do I know? DC and cap space and it's a deal.

Pacer Fan
02-18-2012, 09:57 AM
I sure don't want Felton!!!

Maybe they would like Collison and a 1st for Batum and Pacers find a different or 3rd team to get us a real upgrade.

BrownBearCoffee
02-18-2012, 10:05 AM
I sure don't want Felton!!!

Maybe they would like Collison and a 1st for Batum and Pacers find a different or 3rd team to get us a real upgrade.

I wouldn't be completely opposed to that, but it isn't going to happen. Portland has been experimenting with Batum at the 2, and he has been playing very effectively. I believe they will eventually move him for good; he will be the new Brandon Roy, so to speak. He has become one of the rare NBA cases, IMO, where he is untouchable.

I Love P
02-18-2012, 10:08 AM
What about Ramon Sessions? Are the Cavs looking to deal him?

BrownBearCoffee
02-18-2012, 10:11 AM
What about Ramon Sessions? Are the Cavs looking to deal him?

Lakers were interested and trying to trade, as it seems many sources have suggested. The Cavs themselves have shown no indications of wanting to actually trade him from what I have seen. I guess none of us no what goes on behind closed executive doors. Sessions would be a shot of life to our point if he were indeed available.

Pacer Fan
02-18-2012, 10:15 AM
I wouldn't be completely opposed to that, but it isn't going to happen. Portland has been experimenting with Batum at the 2, and he has been playing very effectively. I believe they will eventually move him for good; he will be the new Brandon Roy, so to speak. He has become one of the rare NBA cases, IMO, where he is untouchable.

Actually, I read an article while back that said they didn't know what they where going to do with Batum and Wallace and their future with Portland is unclear. Said they would have to evaluate it in the off season. Also, Batum has been starting at SF with Wallace starting at PF. I have not seen Batam at the 2 at all. They rotate Mathews and Crawford at the 2.

BrownBearCoffee
02-18-2012, 10:23 AM
Actually, I read an article while back that said they didn't know what they where going to do with Batum and Wallace and their future with Portland is unclear. Said they would have to evaluate it in the off season. Also, Batum has been starting at SF with Wallace starting at PF. I have not seen Batam at the 2 at all. They rotate Mathews and Crawford at the 2.

Yeah, you are right that he primarily plays SF. It was the game Thursday night I believe. I'm not sure if an injury had occurred besides LA, but Batum was playing the 2 and Wesley (I think) had been moved to the 3. Batum had a big game at the 2, and they were talking about how this new development could be the answer they didn't know was there. Before I heard and saw that, I was of the same opinion as you that Batum could probably be had.

McKeyFan
02-18-2012, 10:24 AM
IMO Felton is a better option than DC but considering Felton's roots, he is a huge disappointment. He was a top 5 pick in the same Draft class as CP3 and D Will. You would at least expect him to be a little more successful in the league than he has been. He was in Charlotte though so I gues he gets the benefit of the doubt.

He did look a lil fat on the court against the Clips too. Hey what do I know? DC and cap space and it's a deal.
I thanked this post for the last line of self-deprecation.

Regarding the first part, who really cares where he was drafted?

LA_Confidential
02-18-2012, 10:31 AM
I thanked this post for the last line of self-deprecation.

Regarding the first part, who really cares where he was drafted?

Thanks for the thanks. As to you question, certainly Felton cared wher he was drafted and the reason why I bring that up is because draft position symbolizes a players pedigree. Had he been drafted outside of the lottery in that draft, I amongst many others would not look at him as a disappointment.

He went to a bigger powerhouse than both Williams and Paul, was drafted in the top 5 w/Williams and Paul but he couldn't hold a candle to the skills and successes of Williams or Paul.

Sparhawk
02-18-2012, 10:55 AM
Raymond is shooting .360, so he seems like he'd fit in just fine on the Pacers.

Ugh!

ksuttonjr76
02-18-2012, 11:01 AM
I don't know why I thought Felton was taller...the man is only 6'1". Plus, I thought he had more of "stockier" build. Body type wise....he has Baron Davis written all over him.

imawhat
02-18-2012, 11:44 AM
I wouldn't trade DC for him straight up, knowing a PG upgrade is our top need.

Hibbert
02-18-2012, 11:47 AM
Seems like a sideways move at best.

No, Awesome is right. Felton is the better PG out of the two. I would love to get Felton.

Dr. Awesome
02-18-2012, 11:57 AM
Are y'all really calling Felton lazy because he showed up out of shape for the first time in his career after a lockout? Should he have been prepared anyway? Absolutely. However, he isn't the only one who showed up out of shape.

The guy ran the most fast paced offense in college basketball and one of the most fast paced offenses in the NBA. He has no problem getting into shape under normal circumstances. Still not excusable in my mind, but I still view this season as the exception, not the rule.

I said in my initial post, Collison is a better shooter, however, that's the only aspect of the game that he is better at. Even with him being a better shooter, if the game is on the line, I'd much rather have Felton take the shot, he has proven to be extremely clutch throughout his career and has even made HUGE shots against the Pacers on a few occasions.

Felton is having an off year, which is exactly why we should make a move for him while his stock is low. The guy is a great defender and a leader, two things we desperately need from the PG position.

Again, I don't think he's the missing piece, however he is definitely someone who would significantly improve this team.

Dr. Awesome
02-18-2012, 12:00 PM
The Blazers are obviously not happy with his play, but where have you seen he may be on the trading block? I haven't seen that reported anywhere.

I never said he was.

I said he was "possibly" on the trade block and then followed it with a question mark. I'm not the type to spread rumors without proof or knowledge on the situation, but considering he is being benched, it would be silly if Portland didn't look to move him.

CreekShow
02-18-2012, 12:12 PM
Good post.

I love the idea. I'm a little biased as I have a warm spot in my heart for Felton. I watched him live in St. Louis as he hit a shot at the buzzer to win the NCAA Championship in front of 50,000 people.

I love that youre a Felton fan, but im not sure what Championship youre talking about. That 2005 championship was a 5 pt game and it was decided by FTs in the last couple of seconds. Not a buzzer beating game winner?

As far as Felton over DC, if you dont think Felton would be an upgrade you must be crazy. Bigger, better passer,just as fast (if not faster), and he can get to the lane and not have to settle for jumpers or floaters. He might be having a bad year, but w the lockout and new team, thats kind of warranted. I know im biased but id trade DC for Felton right this instant, and not think twice about it

PR07
02-18-2012, 12:23 PM
If in shape, Felton's a better player. However, I'm not sure if this stocky version of Felton really is.

pwee31
02-18-2012, 01:03 PM
Felton hasn't looked as good as he did in a Bobcats uniform. I'd rather stick with a younger DC and continue to see how he progresses, unless there's a no-brainer at point guard we can get

Hicks
02-18-2012, 01:09 PM
I've said for years that Raymond Felton has the ability to be a great PG in the right system and he proved that right in NY last year. Granted, that was the PG friendly system that D'Antoni run, but still. The guy is a great defender, can run an offense, and is clutch. The best part is, it looks like he is on the outs in Portland.

The Pacers need a PG who can be a leader and Felton has proven that he can be that guy on many occasions. He brings everything that we need as a team from the PG spot.

I do not think that he is the missing piece for this team, but I think he is a HUGE step in the right direction. I would love to see if there is a way we can get him with a package around Collison. If the Blazers are that unhappy with him, it might be something they'd go for. They get younger and save money.

Just something else to talk about...

I'm in. For the right price, that is. Not sure what that price is just yet.

Hicks
02-18-2012, 01:14 PM
I tend to agree with this line of thinking. Felton is having a miserable year. I'm all about upgrading the point guard position, but I want it to be a clear, significant upgrade. I don't think Felton fits the bill.

I like it because it's only a lateral move if he still plays like crap. The other possibility is a new change of scenery re-ignites his game and we then have an upgrade on our hands for cheap (not having to give up other assets, which can now stay and play WITH our improved PG).

vnzla81
02-18-2012, 01:29 PM
Felton would be an upgrade over what we have right now.

Smits Happens
02-18-2012, 01:46 PM
I never said he was.

I said he was "possibly" on the trade block and then followed it with a question mark. I'm not the type to spread rumors without proof or knowledge on the situation, but considering he is being benched, it would be silly if Portland didn't look to move him.

Point taken, but I was only asking because the thread title to me implied there might be real reason to believe they're looking to deal him. I expected to see a link to a report or rumor or something. Not trying to accuse you of anything, just asking if there was reason to believe he could be obtained other than merely your speculation.

vnzla81
02-18-2012, 01:54 PM
Point taken, but I was only asking because the thread title to me implied there might be real reason to believe they're looking to deal him. I expected to see a link to a report or rumor or something. Not trying to accuse you of anything, just asking if there was reason to believe he could be obtained other than merely your speculation.

There have been some rumors of him not been happy to be there and things like that, that system doesn't utilize the PG as a PG, that system is an "equal opportunity type of system" were the point guard is not need it as much I could see why he is frustrated.

PGisthefuture
02-18-2012, 02:16 PM
I wouldn't mind having Felton, but I don't think he is even worth Collison straight up. Collison has more potential and I never thought Felton was necessarily better than Collison.

McKeyFan
02-18-2012, 02:19 PM
I love that youre a Felton fan, but im not sure what Championship youre talking about. That 2005 championship was a 5 pt game and it was decided by FTs in the last couple of seconds. Not a buzzer beating game winner?

From Wikipedia:

Felton hit a key three-pointer over Deron Williams to break a 6565 tie late in the game, and then came up with a crucial steal in the final seconds when Illinois had a chance to either tie the game or take the lead. His two free throws after the steal provided the final scoring in the game.
I was wrong. He was clutch three times in a row in the final seconds.

Dr. Awesome
02-18-2012, 02:27 PM
I wouldn't mind having Felton, but I don't think he is even worth Collison straight up. Collison has more potential and I never thought Felton was necessarily better than Collison.

Collison definitely does not have more potential than Felton.

cdash
02-18-2012, 02:31 PM
Collison definitely does not have more potential than Felton.

Neither one of them has a great deal of potential, but Felton is who he is at the point. If you take away his time in D'Antoni's system, he has scarcely been an above average point guard. If he's better than Collison, it isn't by much.

Hibbert
02-18-2012, 03:03 PM
Neither one of them has a great deal of potential, but Felton is who he is at the point. If you take away his time in D'Antoni's system, he has scarcely been an above average point guard. If he's better than Collison, it isn't by much.

Since his rookie year, Collison has regressed each year. He has gotten worse in every single major category each single year. He hasn't even come close to the numbers Felton put up even while he was with the Bobcats.

CreekShow
02-18-2012, 03:14 PM
From Wikipedia:

I was wrong. He was clutch three times in a row in the final seconds.

I get your point, but for someone who was @ the game you dont remember it very well. He missed a FT giving Illinois a chance to send it in to OT. Luther Head missed and Felton went on to make the 74th and 75th point. Winning by 5. Im not trying to call you out or anything, just the game didnt end that way. Ray was one of my fav UNC players ever, but he was hardly as clutch in that game as you made it seem.

If anything Marvin Williams tip back to make it 72-70 was the biggest bucket of the game.

Justin Tyme
02-18-2012, 03:44 PM
What about Ramon Sessions? Are the Cavs looking to deal him?


There has been talk that Cavs would trade hium. He was 15/2/5 last nite. I've always liked Ramon.

JB24
02-18-2012, 03:59 PM
Would be a move just to make a move. OK, at a certain point in his career he was better than collison is showing right now. But he's playing like a straight bum this season and still hasn't played his way into shape two months in. Any improvement would be just about negligible. Plus, in a summer were Hibbert and Hill are contract question marks, I'd rather not add another player (and position) into the mix unless it has the potential to greatly improve the team (i.e Nash)

cdash
02-18-2012, 04:00 PM
Since his rookie year, Collison has regressed each year. He has gotten worse in every single major category each single year. He hasn't even come close to the numbers Felton put up even while he was with the Bobcats.

Has he actually gotten worse or have his numbers just gotten worse?

I'm not wild about DC--I think he's about an average point guard. I think Felton is about an average point guard. One might be better than the other, but it isn't enough of a difference to advance us in the playoff pecking order.

Hibbert
02-18-2012, 04:03 PM
Would be a move just to make a move. OK, at a certain point in his career he was better than collison is showing right now. But he's playing like a straight bum this season and still hasn't played his way into shape two months in. Any improvement would be just about negligible. Plus, in a summer were Hibbert and Hill are contract question marks, I'd rather not add another player (and position) into the mix unless it has the potential to greatly improve the team (i.e Nash)

Im sorry but all this Nash talk on here is crazy. Dude is 38 years old and wont be getting any younger. Look at our team and than look at the Suns team. Who is on the Suns that can help Nash in any way? His numbers are highly inflated with him playing there and Im not so sure hed make us much better considering what wed have to give up to get him.

Hibbert
02-18-2012, 04:07 PM
Has he actually gotten worse or have his numbers just gotten worse?

I'm not wild about DC--I think he's about an average point guard. I think Felton is about an average point guard. One might be better than the other, but it isn't enough of a difference to advance us in the playoff pecking order.

Both his numbers and his play have gotten worse. He got benched last game in favor of AJ Price, if thats not a wake up call I dont know what one is. I do understand your position though, I too would only like to make a deal only if its a major upgrade but I am not opposed to little tweaks cause I think some good could come out of it. I think that a change of scenery would do Felton some good but admit its a gamble. Collison is three yrs younger and he could turn out to be a better PG than he is now. I still think Felton right now is a better option to go with.

McKeyFan
02-18-2012, 04:30 PM
I get your point, but for someone who was @ the game you dont remember it very well. He missed a FT giving Illinois a chance to send it in to OT. Luther Head missed and Felton went on to make the 74th and 75th point. Winning by 5. Im not trying to call you out or anything, just the game didnt end that way. Ray was one of my fav UNC players ever, but he was hardly as clutch in that game as you made it seem.

If anything Marvin Williams tip back to make it 72-70 was the biggest bucket of the game.

That's the final straw: I'm not nominating you for Most Humorous.

xIndyFan
02-18-2012, 05:35 PM
Neither one of them has a great deal of potential, but Felton is who he is at the point. If you take away his time in D'Antoni's system, he has scarcely been an above average point guard. If he's better than Collison, it isn't by much.

basically this.

the major attraction of felton is that he is not DC. no team needs a fat, out of shape PG that can't shoot. at best this is a lateral move. if you're a DC hater, this is a good move because it gets rid of your least favorite player. but a year from now, you will be :censored:ing about felton and his lack of quicks, his bad shooting, and how he clogs up the break.

pacers need to look for a much better player at any position, not a guy that is about the same.

pacer4ever
02-18-2012, 05:39 PM
just draft Scott Machado please :pray:

Lance George
02-18-2012, 06:08 PM
I've never gotten the Raymond Felton hype around here. Even at his peak he was average. Collison may not be the long-term answer, but I'm fairly certain Felton isn't. I don't even think he's an upgrade over D.C., personally.

I've always liked Ramon Sessions. He looks like a good starter waiting to happen to me. 15, 8, and 5 per-36 this season. I'd love to steal him from Cleveland.

Hibbert
02-18-2012, 06:19 PM
just draft Scott Machado please :pray:

There's a reason he only gained interest from schools like Iona. You think he is the answer cause he leads the NCAA in assists? What teams do they play? Not a single ranked team all season. When have they been on tv? This guy is also tops in TO's a game in his division and top ten in TO's throughout the entire NCAA. Try again Jay Bilas Jr. If this dude gets drafted it will be a miracle.

cdash
02-18-2012, 06:22 PM
There's a reason he only gained interest from schools like Iona. You think he is the answer cause he leads the NCAA in assists? What teams do they play? Not a single ranked team all season. When have they been on tv? This guy is also tops in TO's a game in his division and top ten in TO's throughout the entire NCAA. Try again Jay Bilas Jr. If this dude gets drafted it will be a miracle.

You do realize that in two years when Machado has one decent game in the NBA that p4e is going to dig up this post and say, "I told he was going to be awesome!"

pacer4ever
02-18-2012, 06:41 PM
You do realize that in two years when Machado has one decent game in the NBA that p4e is going to dig up this post and say, "I told he was going to be awesome!"
I have him on ignore he may just trying to hate on me;). Just like he hates on Eric Gordon's family for no reason


he will have more than one decent game ;) He will be a good pro.

But Machado wasn't highly touted but some guys get overlooked and far more often do the highly touted 16 year olds like Lance Stephenson and many others fail compare to others who were less touted. Like J-Lin or Steve Nash.

Just Ask J-Lin http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/13/sports/basketball/for-knicks-lin-erasing-a-history-of-being-overlooked.html

He is a different player than he was just last year. Machado was out of shape and couldn't shoot he dedicated himself last summer and he looks like a whole new player. I have watched him play 10+ times this year and each time I come away more and more impressed. Today he was sloppy but he played good in his biggest game in his career.

Machado doesnt really turn the ball over that much at all especially for the pace his team plays he is very smart with the ball and has vision you cant teach along with leadership.
they are on espn3 quite often I have 10 games at least I can go back and watch from earlier this year. Also I have another way to watch as well. He played Purdue this year and played quite well IONA lost by one but Machado had a double double.

Doug Gottlieb Jr. is more like it he is the only one on the Machado bandwagon.

it is ok you can jump on the Damian Lillard and Scott Machado Bandwagon later;)


EDIT: also be prepared to be shocked he will be a 1st rd pick most likely Dell Demps was in attendance tonight watching as was 9 nba teams scouts.

cdash
02-18-2012, 06:47 PM
Nah I actually like Machado about as much as you do. The guy's usage rate has got to be sky high. He plays a lot of minutes and handles the ball a lot. Turnovers usually follow. Out of the point guards who would be in this draft, he is easily my favorite.

TheDavisBrothers
02-18-2012, 06:50 PM
I love that youre a Felton fan, but im not sure what Championship youre talking about. That 2005 championship was a 5 pt game and it was decided by FTs in the last couple of seconds. Not a buzzer beating game winner?

As far as Felton over DC, if you dont think Felton would be an upgrade you must be crazy. Bigger, better passer,just as fast (if not faster), and he can get to the lane and not have to settle for jumpers or floaters. He might be having a bad year, but w the lockout and new team, thats kind of warranted. I know im biased but id trade DC for Felton right this instant, and not think twice about it

Collison avg 2.7 FTA in about 30 min a game for his career, Felton is at 3.1 in 35 min, so he does not get to the line more often. Also Collison has a better FG, 3PT, and FT% for he's career. And lastly, it's one thing for Felton to have a "bad" year, but he has been far worse then even bad this year!

Realized you said lane not line, but still getting to the line is and good indicater of getting to the lane and what does it matter if Felton gets to the lane if he can't make the shot? Also Felton turns the ball over a ton, we already turn it over enough as is.

pacer4ever
02-18-2012, 07:30 PM
Nah I actually like Machado about as much as you do. The guy's usage rate has got to be sky high. He plays a lot of minutes and handles the ball a lot. Turnovers usually follow. Out of the point guards who would be in this draft, he is easily my favorite.

What people fail to realize is he plays in a Steve Nash type offense where you run and gun. Machado doesn't run as much PnR like Nash and the Suns do but he does run and gun like the Suns and asked to make plays for his teammates like Nash. Nash in the offense has always been around 3.5 TOs a game most of the great pgs get a lot of TOs

I am coming around on Marshall I now think he will be an ok backup and possibly a bad to average starter instead of a 3rd stringer if he can fix his jumper and get a post game. His defense is always gonna be bad IMO but he does have skills that will work in the NBA he runs a similar offense and his TO rate is similar to Scott Machado. I think Machado is a much more complete player on both ends of the floor which is why I have him rated much higher. But Marshall in the right system will be a solid back up. I still would take a Damian Lillard Marquis Teague(he better go back to school) and a few others over Marshall though.

But LOL at that dude for saying I just look at stats and I think Marshall is gonna be much worse than most pgs in the draft even ones with worse stats. I watch games to gather my opinions.

Hibbert
02-18-2012, 07:32 PM
I have him on ignore he may just trying to hate on me;). Just like he hates on Eric Gordon's family for no reason


he will have more than one decent game ;) He will be a good pro.

But Machado wasn't highly touted but some guys get overlooked and far more often do the highly touted 16 year olds like Lance Stephenson and many others fail compare to others who were less touted. Like J-Lin or Steve Nash.

Just Ask J-Lin http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/13/sports/basketball/for-knicks-lin-erasing-a-history-of-being-overlooked.html

He is a different player than he was just last year. Machado was out of shape and couldn't shoot he dedicated himself last summer and he looks like a whole new player. I have watched him play 10+ times this year and each time I come away more and more impressed. Today he was sloppy but he played good in his biggest game in his career.

Machado doesnt really turn the ball over that much at all especially for the pace his team plays he is very smart with the ball and has vision you cant teach along with leadership.
they are on espn3 quite often I have 10 games at least I can go back and watch from earlier this year. Also I have another way to watch as well. He played Purdue this year and played quite well IONA lost by one but Machado had a double double.

Doug Gottlieb Jr. is more like it he is the only one on the Machado bandwagon.

it is ok you can jump on the Damian Lillard and Scott Machado Bandwagon later;)


EDIT: also be prepared to be shocked he will be a 1st rd pick most likely Dell Demps was in attendance tonight watching as was 9 nba teams scouts.

Ive never hated on anyone, including you. Anyways, what do you want to bet that Machado gets drafted in the first round? Serious question. Nine nba team scouts? Why did you come up with nine as the number and not another number? Jw......

Isaac
02-18-2012, 07:35 PM
Nate McMillan is really tough and controlling on point guards and has totally shattered Felton's confidence- as he did in the past with Jarrett Jack. Felton is somewhere in between what he looked like in D'Antoni's system and what he looks like now, which is probably a slight upgrade over Collison. Not enough to be worth pursuing.

CreekShow
02-18-2012, 07:37 PM
Collison avg 2.7 FTA in about 30 min a game for his career, Felton is at 3.1 in 35 min, so he does not get to the line more often. Also Collison has a better FG, 3PT, and FT% for he's career. And lastly, it's one thing for Felton to have a "bad" year, but he has been far worse then even bad this year!

Realized you said lane not line, but still getting to the line is and good indicater of getting to the lane and what does it matter if Felton gets to the lane if he can't make the shot? Also Felton turns the ball over a ton, we already turn it over enough as is.

I dont hate DC or anything. I just think Felton would be a better fit in Indiana. Not to mention how big of a liability DC is on defense. It seems like guards just pick on him. Especially ones with a little size or weight

pacer4ever
02-18-2012, 07:45 PM
Nate McMillan is really tough and controlling on point guards and has totally shattered Felton's confidence- as he did in the past with Jarrett Jack. Felton is somewhere in between what he looked like in D'Antoni's system and what he looks like now, which is probably a slight upgrade over Collison. Not enough to be worth pursuing.

I never though about that but McMillian does seem to go though pgs at a alarming rate.

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2012/02/raymond-felton-says-coach-nate-mcmillan-has-no-confidence-in-him/


This sucks for Felton pretty sure he went though the same thing with Larry Brown in Charlotte.

No doubt Vogel would get the best out of him but I wouldn't trade much for him wait until he becomes a free agent and see if he wants to come here. If we don't address the position in the draft. Pretty sure he is a free agent after the year unless he signed an extension since signing with the Knicks last year he only signed for 2 yrs then.

Pacer Fan
02-18-2012, 07:55 PM
I like it because it's only a lateral move if he still plays like crap. The other possibility is a new change of scenery re-ignites his game and we then have an upgrade on our hands for cheap (not having to give up other assets, which can now stay and play WITH our improved PG).

It isn't a lateral move if he is playing like crap. Right now, he is worse then DC and at 7.6mil, I hope Pacers can find a better option then a hope and a prayer of Felton re-igniting his career here. If the Blazers want to trade him here for AJ Price or a second round pick, then sure, I'm listening.

Justin Tyme
02-18-2012, 10:30 PM
I never though about that but McMillian does seem to go though pgs at a alarming rate.

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2012/02/raymond-felton-says-coach-nate-mcmillan-has-no-confidence-in-him/


This sucks for Felton pretty sure he went though the same thing with Larry Brown in Charlotte.

No doubt Vogel would get the best out of him but I wouldn't trade much for him wait until he becomes a free agent and see if he wants to come here. If we don't address the position in the draft. Pretty sure he is a free agent after the year unless he signed an extension since signing with the Knicks last year he only signed for 2 yrs then.


Felton also played for Larry Brown another coach hard on PG's. Brown put Augustin, after a good rookie season, in the doghouse until the day he left. Paul Silas gave DJ his confidence back. I personally like Augustin as a PG.

QuickRelease
02-18-2012, 10:47 PM
If Felton was available, I wouldn't let an off year, where he's out of shape, keep me from acquiring him. Get him a copy of P90X and make the trade.