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RamBo_Lamar
02-17-2012, 02:30 PM
Who is the Pacers greatest slam-dunk artist?

I was VERY close to saying Darnell Hillman, but am giving the edge to Terence Stansbury.

Stansbury added a little excitement to those grim years of futility in the
mid 80s.

Here is a youtube clip from the 1985 NBA Slam-Dunk contest held right
here in Indy at good old MSA that had a couple Stansbury dunks in it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCOU1iRFpGM

BobbyMac
02-17-2012, 02:32 PM
Darnell Hillman....hands down!

Sandman21
02-17-2012, 02:33 PM
Darnell.

k_lewis93
02-17-2012, 02:42 PM
I would have put Fred Jones in the mix too. Dude could jump and do some crazy stuff with the ball, especially for his height. But out of this list I honestly think it's PG. The dude is what 6'10", jumps like nobody's business, and is extremely athletic. Come 2 years down the road, with some work, he will be one of the greatest dunkers/high-flyers.

BPump33
02-17-2012, 02:45 PM
I'm not saying he's the best, but Antonio could leap.

imbtyler
02-17-2012, 02:51 PM
Just wait until after All-Star Weekend; everyone will be changing their minds to Paul George. He's tall, lengthy, incredibly athletic, majorly talented, quite creative, and can FLY. When he starts coming into his own, I see him performing more skillful dunks during games. Of course, I really want Paul to be our Vince Carter/Tracy McGrady/Kevin Durant hybrid, so imagining him pulling off through-traffic windmills and 360s, and posterizing one player per game just comes easy.

croz24
02-17-2012, 02:53 PM
I can see people voting Hillman over Bender, but there's no way Paul George is a better dunker than what Jonathan was imo.

The Sleeze
02-17-2012, 03:02 PM
Not that I would vote for him but how do you leave off McRoberts....that's the one thing he did really well.

imbtyler
02-17-2012, 03:26 PM
I'm sorry, I know he's supposed to be Dr. Dunk, but I can't find a single YouTube highlight of Darnell Hillman for the life of me. Also, Bender was okay, Terence Stansbury revolutionized the 360, and I don't know a thing about Kenny Williams.

Fred Jones was pretty good, but he was a little thick and not even close to the athleticism that Paul George has.

PG >>> All

The Sleeze
02-17-2012, 03:31 PM
I'm sorry, I know he's supposed to be Dr. Dunk, but I can't find a single YouTube highlight of Darnell Hillman for the life of me. Also, Bender was okay, Terence Stansbury revolutionized the 360, and I don't know a thing about Kenny Williams.


He started his career in 1971, not a lot of people recording things on their iPhones back then.

Deadshot
02-17-2012, 03:41 PM
Fred Jones was pretty good, but he was a little thick and not even close to the athleticism that Paul George has.

PG >>> All

Never heard a man talk about another man in this way lol

imbtyler
02-17-2012, 03:46 PM
Never heard a man talk about another man in this way lol

I don't want to disrespect Freddie by calling him a fat dude with poor athleticism and good luck.

imbtyler
02-17-2012, 03:47 PM
He started his career in 1971, not a lot of people recording things on their iPhones back then.

Well, I'm not going to scour the internet for an hour looking for proof and footage of Dr. Dunk. If it's not on YouTube, where else would it be?

MTM
02-17-2012, 03:48 PM
If folks voted without going back and looking at Terrance Stansbury did, and how he actually INVENTED dunks... then their votes shouldn't count. Stansbury by a landslide.

The Sleeze
02-17-2012, 03:50 PM
Well, I'm not going to scour the internet for an hour looking for proof and footage of Dr. Dunk. If it's not on YouTube, where else would it be?

That's exactly why these polls are severely flawed. You get the current players that have a huge sampling to watch, and the older players have little to no samples to watch....its the Here and Now effect.

BillS
02-17-2012, 03:54 PM
There's a reason Darnell Hillman is Dr. Dunk.

Tell you what - one of these young whippersnappers starts their dunk move by resting the basketball in their 'fro to tie their shoes and I'll consider changing my mind. :buddies:

Hicks
02-17-2012, 03:56 PM
I can see people voting Hillman over Bender, but there's no way Paul George is a better dunker than what Jonathan was imo.

Why? They seem pretty similar to me. Both tall/long guys who make it look easy.

IndyHoya
02-17-2012, 04:04 PM
My favorite NBA Slam Dunk Contest was the 1976-1977NBA Slam contest, the very first one. And it's the one, incidentally, which featured a win from former Pacer Darnell Hillman (representing "The Bottle Shoppe").

It's a great period piece. For one thing, the young Darnell Hillman had by far the best Afro in the NBA at the time (and possibly all time). For another, because at the time of the contest, Darnell was between teams, he showed up at the finals wearing no uniform. Instead he wore a T-Shirt from a liquor store (which is still around) located at 49th & College in Indianapolis called "The Bottle Shoppe."

I remember reading somewhere that before the contest, Darnell came in to the liquor store to buy some booze and the owner, a guy named McNeilus, asked him what jersey he'd be wearing at the dunk contest. Darnell told him he didn't know. The owner then gave him a Bottle Shoppe T-shirt and suggested he wear it to the dunk contest. Darnell agreed. And he did.

As I remember things, the T-shirt was an extra large and on Darnell it was an extremely tight fit. It looked like it was around 3 sizes too small.

The announcers doing the dunk contest at the time didn't quite know what to say about either Darnell's Liquor Store shirt or the fact that Darnell really didn't belong to an NBA team at the time. So, they simply ignored these topics all together -- silence being political correctness, I suppose.

There was a video of the thing that I saw at one time, but it's since been taken down due to NBA copyright violations. It's a shame. It's a pretty funny vid and shows how far things have come from the dunk contest's humble beginnings.

This was where the video used to be:

http://dunkcontest.free.fr/index.php...A-Dunk-Contest

There is more on Darnell's recollections of the contest here. It's a fun read despite a lot of screwups in the punctuation marks:

http://www.apbr.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=12177

ndcoltsnpacers
02-17-2012, 04:10 PM
That's too bad that video disappeared. I had read that story and seen the video of his dunks about a year or so ago. The format was very different. I seem to remember he had to do like 5 in a row or something and that was it. They really weren't impressive dunks at all compared to anything you see now, even in a game.

Lance George
02-17-2012, 04:26 PM
Bender never did anything special, and I'm highly skeptical of Darnell Hillman considering his time was a time when the yawn-worthy, everyone-and-his-mother-can-do-it free throw line dunk was breathtaking and revolutionary.

George's 360, between-the-legs windmill and dunk over the 7'2" Roy Hibbert each trump anything I've ever seen any other Pacer do. He's got my vote until someone present compelling evidence for anyone else.

IndyHoya
02-17-2012, 04:31 PM
That's too bad that video disappeared. I had read that story and seen the video of his dunks about a year or so ago. The format was very different. I seem to remember he had to do like 5 in a row or something and that was it. They really weren't impressive dunks at all compared to anything you see now, even in a game.

My memory's hazy, but I think you're right about the format. Honestly, I can't remember exactly what Darnell did either. There was a long process of elimination and there's a reference to a "rock the baby" dunk he performed. I really have no idea what that entailed.

Also, the dunk contest itself didn't grab the sports media or the public all that much. If I remember rightly, the whole contest was dropped the following year and wasn't resumed again until much later.

Eleazar
02-17-2012, 04:41 PM
I wish I could vote, but I don't feel qualified as I have never seen three of those players play, let alone dunk.

Lance George
02-17-2012, 04:56 PM
Here's Darnell Hillman's winning performance from the bizarre 1977 NBA Dunk Contest (http://www.truthaboutit.net/2011/01/javale-mcgee-elvin-hayes-and-the-lost-nba-dunk-contest-from-1976-77-washington-bullets-wizards.html). It begins at about 6:42:

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Decent dunks, but none stand up over time, in my opinion. In fact, I'd say his winning performance would be a first round elimination in the modern-day dunk contest.

BillS
02-17-2012, 05:24 PM
Decent dunks, but none stand up over time, in my opinion. In fact, I'd say his winning performance would be a first round elimination in the modern-day dunk contest.

You run into the same thing you always do when comparing athletes from different eras. If those guys had the same advantages as the current guys do, along with the examples of the previous guys to build on, imagine what they'd be doing.

At some point you have to use context and understand what it was like to see those dunks when no one else was doing them at all. Remember, it had not been that long since dunking wasn't even allowed.

IndyHoya
02-17-2012, 05:38 PM
Here's Darnell Hillman's winning performance from the bizarre 1977 NBA Dunk Contest (http://www.truthaboutit.net/2011/01/javale-mcgee-elvin-hayes-and-the-lost-nba-dunk-contest-from-1976-77-washington-bullets-wizards.html). It begins at about 6:42:

Decent dunks, but none stand up over time, in my opinion. In fact, I'd say his winning performance would be a first round elimination in the modern-day dunk contest.

Good find on the video! Thanks! I think he took the tight Bottle Shoppe T-Shirt off before the dunking. It's kind of funny because he doesn't have a uniform on.

able
02-17-2012, 05:40 PM
Decent dunks, but none stand up over time, in my opinion. In fact, I'd say his winning performance would be a first round elimination in the modern-day dunk contest.

You totally forget there were rules to the contest in those days, no outside help, one attempt only, a make is important (no score on a miss) 5 dunks, (one from below, one from each corner and two from the "sides" above the key.

And you want to compare that with today? where "I missed 15 times but they gave it to me anyway" mini-me win the contest?

Freak show is a better word.

If you see where he is with his head (and no don't count his fro) and you will see he jumps as high as today, if not higher, there is no way to compare plainly, but I am pretty sure that someone who gave many a great player a defeat (he had to actually dunk several pre-contest rounds, they all did, it was not "invitation" like today) who all were interested in a large sum of money for those days, is better then you make it to be. I personally think you underestimate the achievement horribly.

OlBlu
02-17-2012, 06:09 PM
Darnell Hillman....hands down!

What? No votes for McRoberts? :cool:

okroe3
02-17-2012, 06:14 PM
So, glad you put Kenny Williams in this poll. Still have his jersey. He was an awful player but the man could jump forever. By far the worst player on the list, but man was amazing to watch throw it down. Always made me wish for more garbage time at the end of games. He was electric.

Deadshot
02-17-2012, 06:26 PM
I don't want to disrespect Freddie by calling him a fat dude with poor athleticism and good luck.

Poor athleticism and good luck? Not sure about that. If you discussed it in your video blogs then I missed it I guess.

ApNeDtRiEeW
02-17-2012, 06:57 PM
James White

Bball
02-17-2012, 07:41 PM
Who is/was the Pacers greatest slam-dunk artist?

Based on games or practice? Bender was a 5 time practice All Star....

imbtyler
02-17-2012, 08:27 PM
Here's Darnell Hillman's winning performance from the bizarre 1977 NBA Dunk Contest (http://www.truthaboutit.net/2011/01/javale-mcgee-elvin-hayes-and-the-lost-nba-dunk-contest-from-1976-77-washington-bullets-wizards.html). It begins at about 6:42:

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Decent dunks, but none stand up over time, in my opinion. In fact, I'd say his winning performance would be a first round elimination in the modern-day dunk contest.

Oh yeh, I can see why you guys would say that "Dr. Dunk" deserves this title more than George, Stansbury, Fred Jones, Dahntay Jones, McRoberts, and Jamaal Tinsley. Those dunks were phenomenal. Way ahead of their time.

Sorry, didn't mean to be too much of a douche there, but Stansbury invented the statue-of-liberty 360, as well as other dunks. Fred Jones performed a bad-lob reaching 360, the likes of which had never been seen. If George does something that we've never seen before, that puts him in that same category. But Darnell Hillman's most impressive dunks were the last two: the double-clutch reverse dunks. I've seen Paul George do that in practice.

I'd give him fourth best, below Paul, Stansbury, McRoberts, and Fred Jones. Just my opinion, though.

Kemo
02-17-2012, 08:44 PM
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Peck
02-17-2012, 08:45 PM
Would you believe me if I told the one of the best in game dunks I've ever seen done by a Pacer was by Derrick Mckey?

Kenny Williams is such a sad story, this guy had the athletic talent to be Scottie Pippen. He had the brain power to be David Harrison.

I voted for Dr. Dunk because he certainly was an originator. However I think if I had to vote for the second best dunker I probably would go with Josh McRoberts. Paul is a fine dunker but I admit to liking more power in my dunks and Paul is more smooth. Nothing wrong with that it's just a personal style preferance.

As for those who are saying Bender, how would we know? What sample size do we have here?

xBulletproof
02-18-2012, 01:53 AM
1, this thread is the first time I've ever seen someone call Fred Jones not athletic. That's crazy.

2, I thought I was the only one who remembered Kenny Williams.

danman
02-18-2012, 10:12 AM
Stansbury, easily. Loved Darnell, but there were a lot of Dr. Dunks running around in the 70's.

I'll say this though -- his afro was spectacular. In fact, I recall an old story about Darnell teaching Dr. J about how to properly do his.

Sandman21
02-18-2012, 01:18 PM
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part 5 Talks more about the Indiana Pacers


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part 6
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