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vnzla81
02-16-2012, 09:41 PM
Finally a win, nice to have Danny back.

JBones19
02-16-2012, 09:42 PM
Anytime we play a team with a top ten point guard, PG should guard them. Sloppy win but a w is a w and I will take it, lets spank the cats this weekend.

vnzla81
02-16-2012, 09:46 PM
By the way, you know we need an starting point guard when our backup looked better than our starting one.

rock747
02-16-2012, 09:46 PM
I guess it's nice to have the luxury of going on a 5 game lose streak and still be 5 games above .500.... Where is Brooke tonight?

Johanvil
02-16-2012, 09:46 PM
At ****ing last

BornReady
02-16-2012, 09:47 PM
Did Hill play for 3 secs tonight? Or is that a yahoo slip up?

rock747
02-16-2012, 09:47 PM
Did Hill play for 3 secs tonight? Or is that a yahoo slip up?

Definetly didn't play

Ownagedood
02-16-2012, 09:48 PM
Did Hill play for 3 secs tonight? Or is that a yahoo slip up?

He was shooting around before the game... but was in a suit by gametime.

TheDavisBrothers
02-16-2012, 09:49 PM
Our d finally showed up... Or the Nets kinda flamed out, either way I'll take it

vnzla81
02-16-2012, 09:50 PM
By the way AJ was one of the reasons we won tonight, he is not "the reason" if Danny doesn't go for 32 points we don't win this game.

Lance George
02-16-2012, 09:54 PM
By the way, you know we need an starting point guard when our backup looked better than our starting one.

Rather specious reasoning here, vnzla. I'm sure you can find examples of every starting point guard─Steve Nash, Chris Paul, whomever─being outplayed by their backup from time-to-time. As long as it's not happening more often than not, then there isn't an issue. It's not happening more often than not for us, although I suspect that speaks more on how bad A.J. is than how good Darren is.

Ownagedood
02-16-2012, 09:56 PM
Anyone still watching the game? The locker next to PG is filled with shoes... a good 7 or 8 pairs you can see just in the frame.

.... I want some.

Day-V
02-16-2012, 09:56 PM
Any W is a good W. Glad to break that streak!

Asher99
02-16-2012, 09:56 PM
Danny combing back fresh and tossing in 32 on 50% shooting with 4-of-7 from downtown saved the day! He was the only starter that finished with a positive +/- and played an impressive 41:51 coming off injury.

PacersHomer
02-16-2012, 09:59 PM
Now let's start a winning streak. The schedule is set up for it.

Mr_Smith
02-16-2012, 09:59 PM
Good team win. Paul George's length was great (I know, thats what she said) on those deflections. This should be the start of at least a 4 game win streak.

BringJackBack
02-16-2012, 10:00 PM
Really good to see signs of life from Roy and we need a point guard badly...

Paul George is a hell of a player and so is Danny. David West is coming into his own.

LoneGranger33
02-16-2012, 10:00 PM
Every starter recorded a block. DC and PG had two each!

vnzla81
02-16-2012, 10:03 PM
Rather specious reasoning here, vnzla. I'm sure you can find examples of every starting point guard─Steve Nash, Chris Paul, whomever─being outplayed by their backup from time-to-time. As long as it's not happening more often than not, then there isn't an issue. It's not happening more often than not for us, although I suspect that speaks more on how bad A.J. is than how good Darren is.


All I got to see is that at least AJ can make a simple pass that a point guard is supposed to make, I am saying that he is the best thing ever? nope, do I think he did a decent job today? yep, either way I think we need an starting point guard because I've seen AJ do this before and I don't trust him doing it in a regular basis and DC is just a decent PG.

Sookie
02-16-2012, 10:06 PM
AJ and Danny were excellent, on both sides of the ball. Good job Danny, for toughing it out like that.

PG really picked it up defensively in the second. His offense was spotty right now, but he was really good.

I love having Foster back, and I thought Roy did some definite positives.

West's body language looked better, his defense drives me batty, and he passes less than Tyler, but he also makes his shots..

Tyler..:( He needs to work on his midrange shot, above anything. He's not hitting that at all, and that opens up a lot for him, IMO, particularly since teams know, and they are giving it to him. When he goes through spells of shooting well, he's hitting the foul line jumper, it just opens up his whole game. He needs to work on it.

DC...it's an awful matchup for the kid. Deron's impossible to guard, and then you can't stick him on Morrow or Brooks. AJ's small too, but he's considerably stronger than DC, so it's easier for him to keep those guys from posting up. (And he's a better defender so he gets a hand in their face, but that isn't height related) Just a really hard game for DC to play. But he's come back from poor games and played really well this season, hopefully he does the same here.

LoneGranger33
02-16-2012, 10:08 PM
Granger is now at 39% for the year!

Does anyone else think the offense is more star-oriented (where David West and Danny Granger are the "stars") now than it was to begin the season? I mean, it's not as egalitarian as was touted earlier this year.

90'sNBARocked
02-16-2012, 10:10 PM
Good win , needed it . no complaints

Humphries looked like a young Garnett tongiht. DC just cant guard any decent PG. If the opposing teams PG is bigger and stronger than DC. like D Will tonight, then DC gets abused. If its Ty Lawson he beats DC with quickness. Its not lack of effort , its only DC can guard PG that are average or DC is not badly outmatched in size.

Keep DC as starter but if he gets beat , dont be afraid to yank him for AJ early. The more time AJ gets the more comfortable he looks

Loved West's early aggression. He was given iut right back to Humphries early.

PG was solid in many areas, 4 steals, 2 blks , 5 assists great defense on D Will

We guarded the pick and roll much better tonight, Roy didnt get caught out past the top of the key

MAn the schedule , on paper, is the easiest we will have ot all season......Bobcats twice, NO twice, Nets again, Golden State at home

We have to knock it out the park, cause the next game after those above is the Bulls, and you know there going to bring it

Good win, gets some rest, practice tomorrow

TheDon
02-16-2012, 10:15 PM
Where is Brooke tonight?


She was reigning "person who most looks like Amanda Bynes" champion and had to defend her crown tonight. :)

TheDavisBrothers
02-16-2012, 10:16 PM
Granger is now at 39% for the year!

Does anyone else think the offense is more star-oriented (where David West and Danny Granger are the "stars") now than it was to begin the season? I mean, it's not as egalitarian as was touted earlier this year.

Well our non "stars" haven't shown up lately (or are inj, Hill) so we've had to be

presto123
02-16-2012, 10:16 PM
Good win but I have to laugh at the emotional up and downs of the majority of this board. One night a player is horrible and one night later they are stars waiting to happen. LOL Hopefully this win will help the fragile self confidence that so many players on the team seem to have.

vnzla81
02-16-2012, 10:19 PM
Good win but I have to laugh at the emotional up and downs of the majority of this board. One night a player is horrible and one night later they are stars waiting to happen. LOL Hopefully this win will help the fragile self confidence that so many players on the team seem to have.

Who is the star you are talking about?

LoneGranger33
02-16-2012, 10:20 PM
Well our non "stars" haven't shown up lately (or are inj, Hill) so we've had to be

I could see it being a change out of necessity, but I'm concerned it's a long-term trend with this team that Hill's return will not reverse.

presto123
02-16-2012, 10:23 PM
Who is the star you are talking about?

No one in particular. Whoever is playing bad on a particular night and has a decent game the next night. Consistency night in and night out is what we should be looking for and most of our guys have not shown it. I posted before that we never know what guys are going to show up from night to night.

LoneGranger33
02-16-2012, 10:25 PM
Lance Stephenson's last eight games in terms of playing time:
18, 13, 13, 14, 20, 29, 4 (tonight)

Should we read any further into this?

TheDavisBrothers
02-16-2012, 10:35 PM
I could see it being a change out of necessity, but I'm concerned it's a long-term trend with this team that Hill's return will not reverse.

Well for tonight at least, I think Granger just realized he had to rescue this sinking ship. I think the key is collison tho, when he is playing well, it seems like the team gels, when he sucks (and he's sucked lately) the whole offense gets stagnent

Collison in wins 12.1 and 6.4
Collison in loses 10.8 and 3.8

MiaDragon
02-16-2012, 10:37 PM
Lance Stephenson's last eight games in terms of playing time:
18, 13, 13, 14, 20, 29, 4 (tonight)

Should we read any further into this?

No, IMO when we are playing good ball we can afford to get him some burn in games. I think Frank knew he needed to do anything possible to scratch out a win and went with whats good for the team right NOW as opposed to building for the future when possible.

graphic-er
02-16-2012, 10:38 PM
Well for tonight at least, I think Granger just realized he had to rescue this sinking ship. I think the key is collison tho, when he is playing well, it seems like the team gels, when he sucks (and he's sucked lately) the whole offense gets stagnent

And the Defense turns to swiss cheese...

Justin Tyme
02-16-2012, 10:40 PM
Where is Brooke tonight?


I was wondering the samething.

Shade
02-16-2012, 10:43 PM
It was a win, so I'll take it, but the defense was still pretty bad. Offense finally clicked a bit, which is why we won.

Still a lot of work to do.

MiaDragon
02-16-2012, 10:43 PM
I was wondering the samething.

Id make a joke about her and I being on a date but I would hate to upset the prudes on the board that had a hissy the last time someone said something about her.

LA_Confidential
02-16-2012, 10:44 PM
I hope Deron Williams was doing his homework tonight. I hope he noticed that with a point guard of his caliber, our team would be undeniably a top 3 seed in the east!

cdash
02-16-2012, 10:46 PM
Id make a joke about her and I being on a date but I would hate to upset the prudes on the board that had a hissy the last time someone said something about her.

HOW DARE YOU EVEN JOKE ABOUT MAKING A JOKE ABOUT HER?!?

CJ Jones
02-16-2012, 10:46 PM
Granger and George killed it. I thought the key was AJ though. He played a great floor game offensively, but it was his defense that changed the game IMO. I know Paul was making all the plays, but that was because they finally realized they couldn't abuse AJ in the post like they were Darren (felt sorry for him). That played right into Paul's hands.

Really I thought almost everybody played well tonight. The ones who didn't played hard and that's all you can ask.

vnzla81
02-16-2012, 10:47 PM
I hope Deron Williams was doing his homework tonight. I hope he noticed that with a point guard of his caliber, our team would be undeniably a top 3 seed in the east!

Even with him I don't think we are top 3 anymore, we have a lot of holes.

graphic-er
02-16-2012, 10:47 PM
I am quite elated that they won tonight. My fiancee and I were watching the game at home and in the 4th she quipped "thats the Pacers we know" after PG and Danny Granger made a series of defensive stops.

I hope this serves as a lesson to them. Defense wins above all else. I hope George keys in on his defensive abilities from here on out.

If I were Vogel i'd make a deal with George. For every defensive stop you make, thats one free play you get to do whatever you want on offense.

LA_Confidential
02-16-2012, 10:48 PM
HOW DARE YOU EVEN JOKE ABOUT MAKING A JOKE ABOUT HER?!?

The joke is that she stopped wearing her glasses.

LA_Confidential
02-16-2012, 10:53 PM
Even with him I don't think we are top 3 anymore, we have a lot of holes.

I disagree, and I rarely disagree with what u have to say. Looking at this team, I see a lot of our issues stem from not having a point guard who can run the show. DC is wild and really cannot control the flow of a game. A shooter and another big who isnt a clumsy neanderthal would be helpful additions but you can't tell me that adding a player the level of D Will to this roster wouldn't catapult us to a whole new level.

vnzla81
02-16-2012, 10:58 PM
I disagree, and I rarely disagree with what u have to say. Looking at this team, I see a lot of our issues stem from not having a point guard who can run the show. DC is wild and really cannot control the flow of a game. A shooter and another big who isnt a clumsy neanderthal would be helpful additions but you can't tell me that adding a player the level of D Will to this roster wouldn't catapult us to a whole new level.

Don't get me wrong I agree that bringing a guy like Dwill could help a lot, I'm just not sure if that could be enough to be top 3.

TheDavisBrothers
02-16-2012, 11:03 PM
Don't get me wrong I agree that bringing a guy like Dwill could help a lot, I'm just not sure if that could be enough to be top 3.

I would argue that aside from point, we have an extremely similar team to Chicago, so with Deron as our Rose I think we would be about equal

adamscb
02-16-2012, 11:11 PM
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something is wrong with this.

LA_Confidential
02-16-2012, 11:13 PM
Don't get me wrong I agree that bringing a guy like Dwill could help a lot, I'm just not sure if that could be enough to be top 3.

Chicago and Miami are obvious choices but the rest of the field doesn't worry me as much.

Taking into account that this year I believe well finish no lower than 5th, with Boston as the 3 and a dogfight w/Philly for the 4 spot.

Going forward however, barring a Dwight Howard to NJ scenario, the only team I truly worry about competing with for that 3rd spot is the Knicks (and I'm still not completely sold on Lin). Boston's age will get them out of the mix soon enough.

With D Will, we're better than PHI,ATL,ORL and whoever else in the East.

LA_Confidential
02-16-2012, 11:20 PM
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something is wrong with this.

Misery loves company.

Sandman21
02-16-2012, 11:20 PM
Was it just me, or did Paul do one HELL of a good job defending D-Will in the second half?

vnzla81
02-16-2012, 11:26 PM
I would argue that aside from point, we have an extremely similar team to Chicago, so with Deron as our Rose I think we would be about equal

I used to think the same thing but I've seen the Bulls team beat teams without Rose or Deng, we are like a poor version of them.

TheDavisBrothers
02-16-2012, 11:47 PM
I used to think the same thing but I've seen the Bulls team beat teams without Rose or Deng, we are like a poor version of them.

I've got to disagree again, the bulls were 1-5 in games without Rose his 1st 3 seasons and even tho they are 7-2 this year without him, they have beat:
Sac
Cha
Cle twice
Pho
Was
Bos
All those teams suck except Bos, but they also lost to Bos in that stretch, a team we won our season series against

DGPR
02-16-2012, 11:51 PM
The thing I liked seeing in tonight's game was Roy Hibbert running back to defend the paint after defending the pick and roll. The thing that I didn't like seeing, and actually made me cringe, was AJ Price and Dahntay Jones on the floor at the same time. The ball never left their side of the floor on offense.

Nuntius
02-16-2012, 11:52 PM
I used to think the same thing but I've seen the Bulls team beat teams without Rose or Deng, we are like a poor version of them.

Well, technically we're winning without Rose as well :p


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something is wrong with this.

This board loves to overreact. A bad losing streak will disappoint a lot of people and make them think that the sky is falling. Conversely, when you emphatically beat a quality team people will rave a lot. The interesting thing is that large losing streaks and impressive wins steer some good discussion so the posts keep coming and the thread goes on.

About today there's not a lot to be said. We won a struggling team. We won ugly. Not a lot will rave about it and no one can complain about winning either. So, there's no room for overreaction. Hence, the small amount of posts ;)

It was a good win, though. We needed this badly. Our defense was better and we showed effort tonight. Hope that it serves as the start of a winning streak. We need this streak as we need to erase the losing streak we had. Tonight was a good first step. Let's see how we continue :)

Asher99
02-17-2012, 12:01 AM
This board loves to overreact.

Every high traffic board loves to overreact regardless of the team or sport.

Trader Joe
02-17-2012, 12:01 AM
What do we have to do to ensure getting this Paul George every night?

LA_Confidential
02-17-2012, 12:03 AM
The thing I liked seeing in tonight's game was Roy Hibbert running back to defend the paint after defending the pick and roll. The thing that I didn't like seeing, and actually made me cringe, was AJ Price and Dahntay Jones on the floor at the same time. The ball never left their side of the floor on offense.

Exactly. I remember saying out loud, "damn will they ever pass PG the ball?".

picasso
02-17-2012, 12:03 AM
Paul George is such a good defender. He's like Tony Allen, great defensive instincts and long arms, while being really quick and athletic. Just like Allen did, he's shutting Deron down, and not letting him get free.

got that from a nets fan.

some more.

I would love to get George on the Nets. Id even trade Lopez for George because the kid is that good, complete stud and play him as a SF



You should be fined for saying dumb **** like that lol



Meh, the kid is special I agree with him

He can be really good, I think his only problem is the fact that he's not aggressive all the time but he's got crazy talent for sure

LA_Confidential
02-17-2012, 12:10 AM
What do we have to do to ensure getting this Paul George every night?

I think PG will always bring it on D. I really feel that we need to improve on getting him the ball in good spots on the floor. Because of the point guards inability to put people in a good position to score, PG and West IMO are being brutally under utilized.

Asher99
02-17-2012, 12:11 AM
What do we have to do to ensure getting this Paul George every night?

Danny Granger having an above average game seems to help. Feels like Paul has very good overall games when Danny or someone else is feeling it and he plays off them.

Trader Joe
02-17-2012, 12:12 AM
I think PG will always bring it on D. I really feel that we need to improve on getting him the ball in good spots on the floor. Because of the point guards inability to put people in a good position to score, PG and West IMO are being brutally under utilized.

Over the 5 game losing streak (maybe it will be the opposite of the fabled 5 game winning streak a few years ago), PG's defense was putrid. His effort was nowhere to be found. Maybe he was just gassed who knows :shrug:

ECKrueger
02-17-2012, 12:16 AM
I wonder if PG focuses more on "stars?"

LA_Confidential
02-17-2012, 12:22 AM
Over the 5 game losing streak (maybe it will be the opposite of the fabled 5 game winning streak a few years ago), PG's defense was putrid. His effort was nowhere to be found. Maybe he was just gassed who knows :shrug:

The whole teams D really fell off a cliff over the streak but in charge that to tired legs. Especially the Memphis game. But over the long haul, PG will be our Mr Everything. When he has a big game, he has A BIG GAME.

Gold
02-17-2012, 12:27 AM
The thing I liked seeing in tonight's game was Roy Hibbert running back to defend the paint after defending the pick and roll. The thing that I didn't like seeing, and actually made me cringe, was AJ Price and Dahntay Jones on the floor at the same time. The ball never left their side of the floor on offense.

I hated that. Paul George became the 5th option with that lineup. :laugh:

Nuntius
02-17-2012, 12:44 AM
Every high traffic board loves to overreact regardless of the team or sport.

I never said other boards don't :D

But I do know of some boards in my country which are not team specific that do not overreact. Of course, you could easily argue that they are not high traffic. Regardless, you do have a point there.

HC
02-17-2012, 01:05 AM
What do we have to do to ensure getting this Paul George every night?

be patient...as hard as that is we got to keep in mind how young and raw he still is.

D-BONE
02-17-2012, 05:03 AM
Could be the start of righting the ship. Only time will tell. Nice to get a win, but yet another slow start. That has to be overcome if want to compete with good teams.

Some good individual performances and we found some intensity after about a quarter. Good signs, but still need to recover the cohesion/unity of play we showed early in the year.

Still open to a move that brings us an upgrade at PG, an athletic big, or a scorer. Resounding YES to the observations about D West's defensive inability. Between he and DC, and potentially Roy if they P n R him to death, defensive issues may well persist. They weren't exactly dispelled last night.

McKeyFan
02-17-2012, 07:28 AM
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something is wrong with this.

Nothing wrong. Just human nature.

Find me a newspaper with the headline: "The world is great and healthy."

McKeyFan
02-17-2012, 07:36 AM
When Paul made that out of bounds play and knocked it off DWill's foot, that was a thing of beauty.

He just has some innate skills: defense, stealing the ball, playing the passing lane, good court vision. We're still waiting for the alpha side and a killer instinct, but he's only 21. He has all the tools to be really great.

Justin Tyme
02-17-2012, 09:00 AM
It was a win with some good individual play. Hopefully, the ending of the downward spiral.

pacers74
02-17-2012, 09:07 AM
The schedule next week looks pretty good. Hopefully they can go into the all-star brealk on a little winning streak.

CJ Jones
02-17-2012, 09:27 AM
When Paul made that out of bounds play and knocked it off DWill's foot, that was a thing of beauty.

He just has some innate skills: defense, stealing the ball, playing the passing lane, good court vision. We're still waiting for the alpha side and a killer instinct, but he's only 21. He has all the tools to be really great.

1st team all defensive player in 5 years. He causes so many problems. That was Deron Williams he was not only shutting down, but taking his passes almost like they were meant for him. Paul was locked in last night. Loved him hitting the floor for that jump ball too.

His defense was just as important as Danny's offense last night.

Mackey_Rose
02-17-2012, 09:35 AM
1st team all defensive player in 5 years. He causes so many problems. That was Darren Williams he was not only shutting down, but taking his passes almost like they were meant for him. Paul was locked in last night. Loved him hitting the floor for that jump ball too.

His defense was just as important as Danny's offense last night.

Unless he suffers the same defensive identity crisis that Granger did early in his career, there is no reason it should take Paul 5 years to reach that level.

The Sleeze
02-17-2012, 09:40 AM
I wonder if PG focuses more on "stars?"

PG seems to have good defensive nights when he's matched up against score-first point guards (D. Will, Rose, etc.) that mostly play a one-on-one game.

It seems he struggles the most when he is guarding mobile shooting guards (ray allen, etc.) that run off a lot of screens.

xIndyFan
02-17-2012, 11:42 AM
PG seems to have good defensive nights when he's matched up against score-first point guards (D. Will, Rose, etc.) that mostly play a one-on-one game.

It seems he struggles the most when he is guarding mobile shooting guards (ray allen, etc.) that run off a lot of screens.

imo, it has more to do with his defensive assignment than anything else.

paul's a much better 1 on 1 defender than a team defender. when he is assigned to one guy, he can concentrate on that guy.

when he is in the regular defense, he has to help out inside, block shots, rebound, and sometime gets caught inside as a result. the same thing happens to danny for the same reason. danny and paul are being used to cover the lack of size in the frontcourt. that gets them in trouble on the perimeter. no bodies fault really, just a weakness of this team.

CJ Jones
02-17-2012, 11:51 AM
Unless he suffers the same defensive identity crisis that Granger did early in his career, there is no reason it should take Paul 5 years to reach that level.

Yeah the only reason I said 5 years was because hopefully by then Kobe's retired. He takes up a spot every year it seems. I can see Paul being a better defender than Kobe in the next couple years though.