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McKeyFan
02-11-2012, 10:35 AM
We all know we need a fresh injection of offense, particularly in the second unit.

Can we pick up a pass first point guard to change things around and let Collison be the offensive surge with the subs? Probably not before this summer.

Can we find a Vinnie Johnson microwave pickup at the 2 spot before the deadline? Probably not.

Well, I would like to try an experiment at least once to see if the help we need is staring right in front of us.

I'd like to see one game where Lance is allowed to shoot 15 times. Put it in his hands, let him drive, pass, or shoot. Let's see what happens.

I know, it's likely he's not ready yet, much less born that way. But I happen to think there is, say, a 20 percent chance that, given the reigns and the freedom to make some mistakes (like miss a few shots and make a few turnovers), that the overall outcome could be really great.

I'm not saying give him the reigns to the team for a while. I'm saying give him the reigns to the second unit FOR ONE GAME. Let's see what happens.

If it fails, I'm good. Curiosity satisfied. Possible fallout: one loss.

But with as much as we've invested in Lance so far, I think it's worth the experiment.

BlueNGold
02-11-2012, 10:44 AM
One game? It depends. Is this about Lance driving and dishing? Would it hurt or help the team concept?

Personally, I would like to see Lance start with the first unit and be able to dish to guys who can convert. We are loaded in the starting unit with offensive talent. We just don't have a guy who can see the floor and has the size to deliver the ball.

McKeyFan
02-11-2012, 10:55 AM
One game? It depends. Is this about Lance driving and dishing? Would it hurt or help the team concept?

Personally, I would like to see Lance start with the first unit and be able to dish to guys who can convert. We are loaded in the starting unit with offensive talent. We just don't have a guy who can see the floor and has the size to deliver the ball.
Yes, it's about driving and dishing.

I don't think it hurts the team concept. I think it would potentially help. I have reason to believe from what I've seen that Lance is more interesting in good passes and team ball than getting his own shot off. But he needs the freedom to shoot and get the defense's respect in order to do so.

If Lance is loosening things up and getting guys the ball where they need it, it is the opposite of watching the shot clock wind down to 8 or 7 while we pass it around the perimeter, then someone throws up something quick. It is arguable that Lance with the ball in his hands would improve the team concept, not hurt it.

In regards to trying him in the first unit, I think that is too political. Just the real world. Now, if he turns out to be successful doing it in the second unit, you might later consider trying him in the first unit, but that would take some time.

Justin Tyme
02-11-2012, 12:53 PM
If this experiment was to happen, the Pacers play Charlotte, NOLA, and Charlotte in a row this month. If it works in the 1st Charlotte game, then there are 2 other games to continue the experiment. Both teams, Charlotte 3 wins and NOLA 4 wins, I wouldn't believe should cause a problem with trying the experiment.

AT THIS POINt, I'M ALMOST WILLING TO SEE ANYTHING TRIED TO KEEP PRICE OFF THE COURT!!!!

CJ Jones
02-11-2012, 01:06 PM
People that want to write him off or pigeon hole him into a certain position seem to forget he's the same age as Paul, but getting less than 25% of the minutes Paul gets. Naturally, It's gonna take him a lot longer to develop getting less than 10 minutes a game to work with. The man needs more time on the court if we ever want to truly evaluate his game.

I'd love to see Lance get a chance with the starters. The height alone would be intimidating. When's the last time a team had that big of a starting 5?

Hicks
02-11-2012, 01:11 PM
Lance isn't ready. He needs to establish himself as a consistent bench player before anything else.

vnzla81
02-11-2012, 01:21 PM
Yep I agree with Hicks I don't think he is ready, maybe next year but right now he is not ready. Not to say that I wouldn't mind him been the first PG off the bench.

Larry Staverman
02-11-2012, 01:28 PM
We already have a much more consistent backup point guard.

A.J. Price is shooting 23% from the field and 19% from the 3 point line while averaging 4.5 assists per 36 minutes.

Jeremy Lin wasn't ready either!

imawhat
02-11-2012, 01:41 PM
Lance is clearly not playing his game right now via instruction. He's not ready to play a team game but he's ready to play his game.

I don't see how our bench could be much worse offensively. We're not scoring because we have 2-3 defensive guys, 1 guy who's not a one-on-one player (Tyler) running isos almost exclusively now, and 1 guy who is a playmaker (Lance) trying to facilitate the isos.

If he's our best passer, then let's see him with the ball in his hands. That's what I'd like to see, but I'm OK with Lance learning to facilitate and not play his game as long as we're winning.

McKeyFan
02-11-2012, 02:07 PM
Lance isn't ready. He needs to establish himself as a consistent bench player before anything else.

Like I said, 20 percent chance. I think your comment has an 80 percent chance of being right.

The thing is, he HAS established himself as a somewhat consistent player who stands in the corner on offense. But we all know that's not his game. Why wait until next year to find out if he's a mutherload when given major minutes with the ball in his hands?

Again, all I'm asking for is a one game test.

3rdStrike
02-11-2012, 02:15 PM
Lance isn't ready. He needs to establish himself as a consistent bench player before anything else.

Yes, yes. He's not ready. You've determined this by watching him play 9.7 minutes per game, during which he's instructed to get out of the way and stand on the wing while our great, slashing, "best bench in the NBA" combo of Hansbrough, Amundson and Foster strike fear into the opposing defense with their array of ISOs and embarrassing jump shots.

Surely he should be doing something to earn your favor in such limited playtime. Like a triple double, perhaps. Meanwhile, Darren "0 assists is more likely than double digit assists" Collison* gets the longest leash ever, right?

I mean, I'm not surprised. Two weeks ago people here were saying AJ Price needed more PT because he was almost serviceable for a few games in the playoffs.

Fact is, we have nothing to lose by letting Lance get more burn before George Hill returns. It worked for the Knicks, and Lance is more physically gifted than JLin. I'm not sure what it is exactly that people have against Stephenson, but I wish they would come right out and say it, instead of making vague suggestions that the tiny sample size is enough to make any kind of negative judgement of his current capability...especially on a team where up til a week ago the coach wasn't even running more than 2 plays for the team's best overall player.

* I actually like DC. But any delusions that he's anything more than mediocre are just that: delusions. He's a poor passer, capable of being a 16 and 5 type guy in a system that required a shoot-first point guard. Unfortunately, he's in a system that is begging, pleading for a pure passer. There's no reason this starting 5 should be 18th in the league in scoring. And it wouldn't be, with a decent passer. They brought in his biggest weapon (West) from the one time in his career he was productive and he's still not doing any better on the offensive end. In fact, statistically (aka factually) he's regressed this year. Passing/vision isn't something you learn at the NBA level. You can improve on it, but either you've got the ability or you don't. And he really doesn't.

TheDon
02-11-2012, 02:33 PM
I would just be happy if we allow Lance to be on the floor with Paul George instead of subbing him in for Paul George. I think Lance should come in for colliosn and the only problem anybody ever had with Dahntay was him being a black hole and that has gone away for the most part so i'd be fine with Dahntay coming in for Danny otherwise I think the PF - C rotation is pretty much where it needs to be.

Hicks
02-11-2012, 02:54 PM
Yes, yes. He's not ready. You've determined this by watching him play 9.7 minutes per game,

...

Surely he should be doing something to earn your favor in such limited playtime. Like a triple double, perhaps.

This is condescending, and you are projecting opinions onto me that may not necessarily reflect how I feel about Lance or what I'm looking to see out of him to determine if I think he's ready for something more.

Nuntius
02-11-2012, 03:05 PM
I'd like to see this happen against Charlotte.

About passing/vision/running an offense now. You can learn to pass. You can learn to run an offense. There's not a single reason that an NBA PG cannot run a pick and roll. Everyone in Europe does it. The only thing that you cannot learn is court vision. That's innate, I'll agree. But the other two qualities are not innate.

PS: And I blame college and high school coaches who morhp most of their PGs into Scoring PGs. We need some pass first PGs, guys.

PS II: Frankly, I don't believe that the Pacers need a pass first PG right now. It's not how our offense is run at the moment.

BlueNGold
02-11-2012, 03:12 PM
Yes, it's about driving and dishing.

I don't think it hurts the team concept. I think it would potentially help. I have reason to believe from what I've seen that Lance is more interesting in good passes and team ball than getting his own shot off. But he needs the freedom to shoot and get the defense's respect in order to do so.

If Lance is loosening things up and getting guys the ball where they need it, it is the opposite of watching the shot clock wind down to 8 or 7 while we pass it around the perimeter, then someone throws up something quick. It is arguable that Lance with the ball in his hands would improve the team concept, not hurt it.

In regards to trying him in the first unit, I think that is too political. Just the real world. Now, if he turns out to be successful doing it in the second unit, you might later consider trying him in the first unit, but that would take some time.

I agree with this post. At the same time, his chances of making a spectacular showing are better with the starting unit. He just has so many other weapons to leverage. Also, I think he's more likely to play within the team concept in terms of passing with the starters and he has more respect for the opposition.

But I agree we should give him significant burn for not just one but a couple games. All at the PG position. JMHO.

Hicks
02-11-2012, 03:42 PM
All I'd really like to see different with Lance from a coaching standpoint is to put him back at the backup 1 instead of the backup 2. I know it's like with Tyler where they're taking both out of their comfort zones to try to grow their games in new ways (Tyler's passing, Lance playing off ball), but right now I'd like to see Lance back doing what he knows how to do because we do need a boost right now.

The problem is I don't think that's going to happen until George Hill returns because he was our backup 2. Actually with both it was kind of switching back and forth almost play by play; sometimes Hill would handle the ball, sometimes Lance would handle it.

But since AJ had to come back, he's obviously a 1, so now he's almost always handling the ball, leaving Lance almost exclusively off ball.

I think in the future Lance will be okay off ball, but I think we all agree that he'll always be his strongest with the ball in his hands, so I can understand where McKey is coming from here.

I just think putting him in the starting lineup is too radical of a step to take; Lance, even at the 1, is still pretty rough (particularly anything that isn't a pass), and defenses could exploit his shoddy shooting/scoring until he figures that out.

Sure, you could be patient and let him figure it out game by game, but that's, to me, something you do when you're a .500 team or a losing team, not a team that's competing for the 3rd seed in the conference. We just need these guys to pull their heads back out of their asses, and when they do that the wins will come again. I don't think we'll continue to be this bad defensively, and I think Roy will give us more of what we need more often than not.

The only thing bothering me lately, and last night you could see why I feel this way, is that we don't use David West's offensive abilities enough. He's trying so hard to keep the ball moving, which is very admirable, that he's not giving us enough with regards to his own scoring ability. He's a new, big weapon for this team in that regard, and we ought to wield that more often than we do. He could easily average in the low 20's per game if we made a concentrated effort to get him the ball more often (in areas where it's not pass-first, score second); the dude's pretty damned good at it.

rexnom
02-11-2012, 03:47 PM
What we need is George Hill to be healthy. We haven't had a consistent stretch of Hill healthy and Danny shooting well.

McKeyFan
02-11-2012, 03:49 PM
Sure, you could be patient and let him figure it out game by game, but that's, to me, something you do when you're a .500 team or a losing team, not a team that's competing for the 3rd seed in the conference.

Good post.

Regarding the part above, I might counter (not sure if I'm right or not) that if we were .500 I would be less likely to take the risk. Playoffs would be at stake. However, it looks like we're simply dealing with seeding right now, and it clearly looks to me that we will have difficulty getting out of the first round without a new acquisition before the deadline. So if that doesn't happen, why not take a flyer on Lance?

If my 20 percent theory is true, it just might be the extra lift we need to advance in the playoffs.

imawhat
02-11-2012, 04:09 PM
Yeah, I say you try to develop when winning. It's not affecting us negatively when we're winking, which is a win win.

I tell you what else...it looks like it's starting to work with Tyler. He's starting to make passes I haven't seen since his rookie season.

There's probably more to it than we're seeing. They may be teaching Lance how to earn his minutes, knowing that he'll break out.

CJ Jones
02-11-2012, 04:21 PM
The problem is I don't think that's going to happen until George Hill returns because he was our backup 2. Actually with both it was kind of switching back and forth almost play by play; sometimes Hill would handle the ball, sometimes Lance would handle it.


Thanks for noticing. Hard to understand why some people are still standing firm to their stance that Lance hasn't played PG this year. :mad:


Good post.

Regarding the part above, I might counter (not sure if I'm right or not) that if we were .500 I would be less likely to take the risk. Playoffs would be at stake. However, it looks like we're simply dealing with seeding right now, and it clearly looks to me that we will have difficulty getting out of the first round without a new acquisition before the deadline. So if that doesn't happen, why not take a flyer on Lance?

If my 20 percent theory is true, it just might be the extra lift we need to advance in the playoffs.

If this is the team on the floor for the rest of the year I think it's worth the gamble. What do we have to lose a championship? Even if it wasn't pretty at first it'd speed up his development so that next year he'll be more prepared.

Bball
02-11-2012, 04:39 PM
I'd like to see Lance sub for Collison.... or if AJ comes in for Collison then let Lance sit longer and Lance come in for AJ. Have Lance coming in when some of the starters return to the game.

I like the idea of Lance having a starter or two around him when he comes in...

I think if Lance is to be a future 1 then he should get his time at the 1 with some threats around him. Then let him drive and dish and see what he's got.

90'sNBARocked
02-11-2012, 04:51 PM
Man, you know were really in bad shape if were worrying about Lance. :) I think Hicks is right that Lance isnt ready, but so are the others when they say Lance needs some time. Bottom line is were regressing as a team. WE had a nice run when were went 4-0 with the win in Dallas, but since then we haven't looked as good. We bearly beat Utah, and looked bad in loses to Boston, Orlando, Atlanta, and Memphis

DC just is not getting it done. His "good game" is when he hits a high percentage of his shots, and limits his turnovers. I still dont know why he averaged so many assits in NO, then he struggles here.

Back to Lance, He would do well with the starters because he would have more weapons, and be able to play with the ball in his hands. Problem is, I can't see any way Vogel would do this, it just wont happen. Lance would have good moments and bad moments, but at times on the court everything moves too fast for him. His talents right now are more towards that open floor, up and down game where he would dominate inferior compettion. He needs to get game minutews to get better, but it cant be at the expense of the team.

What I would like to see is a starting 5 of DC, Dhanty Jones. Granger, West, and Roy. Then off the bench have PG come in for DJ, Lance come in for DC, Ty come in for West, and Foster/Lou come in for Roy. I would leave Danny in with the bench , for a few minutes to stabilize the bench play , then bring DJ back in for him and slade PG to the 3.

Another thing is when G Hill comes back he will need time to get up to NBA speed , and when he does his minutes will take away from either Lance or Dhanty.

Lance has skills that are from athletic talent and playing the game of competitive basketball most of his life. He controlled the ball and was a high playmaker and scorer up until the NBA. What he hsan't figured out yet is how to translate his basketball IQ on a consistent basis into NBA basketball IQ. He has raw insticts on the court , as you can see by his passing and playmaking at times. Thats what gets us all excited. When he can figure out the timing of when to make certain plays, within the flow of the game he can be much more effective. I think what makes Jeremy Lin successful besides his physical talents is , he is a very smart player and man in general. The fact he is a Harvard grad would generally make you think he must be a pretty smart guy. So when you combine his talents and smarts , you see the sucess. Can only imagine if Lance had the smarts of Lin to go with his talent. Not saying Lance is not smart but I don'th think its a stretch to say Lin's proabably a smater smarter guy

imbtyler
02-11-2012, 04:59 PM
Lance isn't ready. He needs to establish himself as a consistent bench player before anything else.

Yeh, but I like the concept here. It would be worth giving him the reigns to the second unit, while the player ahead of him in the rotation is injured. Give him Hill's minutes and responsibilities for a game, play the game to Lance's strengths, and it might work. Is that not similar to what we said about Paul George during the JO'bie days? And now he's our incredibly talented starting shooting guard. Maybe Lance can eventually backup George Hill at the starting 2, while Paul starts at the 3.

PGisthefuture
02-11-2012, 04:59 PM
I wanna see what Lance can do with time with the starters. I don't necessarily want him to start, but just see what it's like. I could envision Lance going into the lane and instead of dishing a nice pass to Lou he dishes it to Roy or D-West for a nice finish... maybe a few oops to PG too...

MaHa3000
02-11-2012, 05:30 PM
When I see the Linsanity going on I get jealous. I think Lance has a similar game and if giving a chance he will show his talent. The talent that most have recognized behind the scenes.

Remember T. Evans at the beginning of the season wasn't putting up good numbers and looked ordinary. New coach comes in and lets him play his style and he shows again why he was considered a future star.

I'm on board with it. Defense has been this teams strength and that's where the chemistry has shown the most. I doubt that the offensive chemistry of the second unit we be ruined if Lance has the ball in his hands.

rexnom
02-11-2012, 05:47 PM
When I see the Linsanity going on I get jealous. I think Lance has a similar game and if giving a chance he will show his talent. The talent that most have recognized behind the scenes.

Remember T. Evans at the beginning of the season wasn't putting up good numbers and looked ordinary. New coach comes in and lets him play his style and he shows again why he was considered a future star.

I'm on board with it. Defense has been this teams strength and that's where the chemistry has shown the most. I doubt that the offensive chemistry of the second unit we be ruined if Lance has the ball in his hands.
Jeremy Lin has above-average basketball IQ that makes up for below-average athleticism. Lance Stephenson has below-average basketball IQ that makes up for above-average athleticism.

I'm not sure that's a fair comparison.

McKeyFan
02-11-2012, 05:51 PM
Jeremy Lin has above-average basketball IQ that makes up for below-average athleticism. Lance Stephenson has below-average basketball IQ that makes up for above-average athleticism.

I'm not sure that's a fair comparison.

I'm not convinced Lance has a low BBall IQ. It may be high.

What he has is bad training. And an immature, emotional personality.

90'sNBARocked
02-11-2012, 05:53 PM
Jeremy Lin has above-average basketball IQ that makes up for below-average athleticism. Lance Stephenson has below-average basketball IQ that makes up for above-average athleticism.

I'm not sure that's a fair comparison.

I think thats a little harsh. Some of the passes, drives to the lane and deffensive plays Lance makes at times seems to me , at least, he has a pretty good basketball IQ for being 20 and a handfull of minutes in the NBA

xBulletproof
02-11-2012, 06:03 PM
I think I'm just going to start ignoring any topic with Lance in it.

This place is getting silly about it. When people are getting called delusional for thinking Collison can improve by the same person promoting Lance as the savior of our bench .... yikes. Pot calling the kettle black. This same person claims Lance does nothing but stand in the corner, but somehow while standing in the corner he leads the team in turnovers per minute by a pretty wide margin, in fact he's one of the league leaders. Imagine if he actually didn't just stand in the corner most of his time on the floor because right now he's 21st in turnovers per 48, and half of those ahead of him have played 10 or less games.

Yes, lets release the reigns on a turnover machine. We'll win games that way.

vnzla81
02-11-2012, 06:16 PM
I think I'm just going to start ignoring any topic with Lance in it.

This place is getting silly about it. When people are getting called delusional for thinking Collison can improve by the same person promoting Lance as the savior of our bench .... yikes. Pot calling the kettle black. This same person claims Lance does nothing but stand in the corner, but somehow while standing in the corner he leads the team in turnovers per minute by a pretty wide margin, in fact he's one of the league leaders. Imagine if he actually didn't just stand in the corner most of his time on the floor because right now he's 21st in turnovers per 48, and half of those ahead of him have played 10 or less games.

Yes, lets release the reigns on a turnover machine. We'll win games that way.


Why are you trashing our players? OMG ........... :onozomg:

MaHa3000
02-11-2012, 06:21 PM
Jeremy Lin has above-average basketball IQ that makes up for below-average athleticism. Lance Stephenson has below-average basketball IQ that makes up for above-average athleticism.

I'm not sure that's a fair comparison.

I wasn't comparing their basketball IQ or their athelticism. But rather, the court vision and the fact that the quick emergence of previously undiscovered talent.

And maybe a Harvard grade may have a high IQ, I do not think you could say, with limited play so far, that one has more b-ball IQ.

If a player has great court vision it could be deemed useless if said player is not given the chance to execute that vision on the court.

I just want to give the kid some time and opportunity. Give him the ball twenty or so possessions a game and see what happens.

spazzxb
02-11-2012, 06:21 PM
Why are you trashing our players? OMG ........... :onozomg:

I think lance slept with his sister.jk

MaHa3000
02-11-2012, 06:24 PM
I think I'm just going to start ignoring any topic with Lance in it.

This place is getting silly about it. When people are getting called delusional for thinking Collison can improve by the same person promoting Lance as the savior of our bench .... yikes. Pot calling the kettle black. This same person claims Lance does nothing but stand in the corner, but somehow while standing in the corner he leads the team in turnovers per minute by a pretty wide margin, in fact he's one of the league leaders. Imagine if he actually didn't just stand in the corner most of his time on the floor because right now he's 21st in turnovers per 48, and half of those ahead of him have played 10 or less games.

Yes, lets release the reigns on a turnover machine. We'll win games that way.

John Wall and Tyreke Evans are turnover machines. If they were Pacers would you want A.J. Price to dominate the ball?

graphic-er
02-11-2012, 06:27 PM
Honestly I wish they would just let Lance be a Microwave off the bench. If he is as talented as they say he is. Then let him go score the damn ball for our bench. We don't guys in the 2nd unit that can play the team ball at a high level. I honestly think this group is holding him back.

spazzxb
02-11-2012, 06:39 PM
Honestly I wish they would just let Lance be a Microwave off the bench. If he is as talented as they say he is. Then let him go score the damn ball for our bench. We don't guys in the 2nd unit that can play the team ball at a high level. I honestly think this group is holding him back.

At least they have started staggering Danny and Pauls minutes a bit. I think things will be better when George comes back. Lance and George Hill play far better next to each other. Call them what you want(sg/pg) but having a 6'5 guy to pair with George Hill is a lot better than having a short backcourt. I just don't want to see the crap we have been where Aj controls the ball and keeps all the action on one side of the court until the shot clock is running out(if he can wait that long to miss a shot). I don't care if he is called a point guard, just give him the ball and let him create from time to time, especially when nothing else seems to be working.

CJ Jones
02-11-2012, 07:16 PM
I think I'm just going to start ignoring any topic with Lance in it.

This place is getting silly about it.


Not as silly as you and a few others thinking you got a 21 year old player getting less than 10 minutes a game all figured out.

Until he gets consistent minutes none of us know what he can do.

doctor-h
02-11-2012, 07:27 PM
Lance is a very good mid range shooter. You cannot judge him right now because he is inclined to hesitate before he does anything. He is over thinking the game because he does not want to make a mistake and be taken out of the game. I think he deserves alot of credit for trying to do what he is being asked. The question is, are they asking him to tone his game down too much. Everyone agrees that he is better with the ball in his hands. It will not be in his hands playing with Collison or Price. I would like to see him get a chance to run the team with the second unit. That unit should be able to get out and run, pressure the ball and create turnovers. If he is running the break you see him light up. Let him do it as long as he stays under control.

xBulletproof
02-11-2012, 07:34 PM
John Wall and Tyreke Evans are turnover machines. If they were Pacers would you want A.J. Price to dominate the ball?

Those 2 teams are 15-38.

If Lance was as good as they are, I probably wouldn't. The problem is, he isn't. Those guys are getting 3-4 turnovers a game, but they're clearly getting more assists. Lance hasn't accomplished that with his limited responsibilities. Why would you expand them? He doesn't score like those guys, he doesn't rebound like them either. He wasn't drafted as high as they were for a reason. He didn't do as well as they did in college. Lance hasn't done anything meaningful at whatever level since he left high school. Crap, hurry up! Lets get Damon Bailey, at least he did well in college.

The subject of Lance Stephenson on this board is one that if anyone else in the country read it they would immediately label this board a bunch of idiots and never come back.

I seriously am going to ignore this thread at this point, and anything that turns into a Lance debate I'm going to try to avoid at all costs. This silliness is an assault on my sanity.

spazzxb
02-11-2012, 08:13 PM
Those 2 teams are 15-38.

If Lance was as good as they are, I probably wouldn't. The problem is, he isn't. Those guys are getting 3-4 turnovers a game, but they're clearly getting more assists. Lance hasn't accomplished that with his limited responsibilities. Why would you expand them? He doesn't score like those guys, he doesn't rebound like them either. He wasn't drafted as high as they were for a reason. He didn't do as well as they did in college. Lance hasn't done anything meaningful at whatever level since he left high school. Crap, hurry up! Lets get Damon Bailey, at least he did well in college.

The subject of Lance Stephenson on this board is one that if anyone else in the country read it they would immediately label this board a bunch of idiots and never come back.

I seriously am going to ignore this thread at this point, and anything that turns into a Lance debate I'm going to try to avoid at all costs. This silliness is an assault on my sanity.

please do, since all you ever do is tear the kid down anyway. Don't pretend like you don't have a desire to hate on Lance, thats why your here in this thread.

spazzxb
02-11-2012, 11:46 PM
After the Mackey/bulletproof assault with numbers in the other Lance thread, I found this one interesting. Look at last nights +/-, someone sticks out. The same player had the highest +/- tonight. To be honest this doesn't mean a lot, however this is just as valuable as the Cherry picked stats people use against Lance.

last night
http://www.popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20120210&game=INDMEM


tonight
http://www.nba.com/games/20120211/DENIND/gameinfo.html#nbaGIboxscore

CJ Jones
02-12-2012, 12:01 AM
The subject of Lance Stephenson on this board is one that if anyone else in the country read it they would immediately label this board a bunch of idiots and never come back.




First silly... now idiots ...huh okay

Anybody got the u mad Oprah? :D

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I like this one too...

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Damn I'm getting good at the interntet... :D j/k with ya BP

spazzxb
02-12-2012, 12:05 AM
First silly... now idiots ...huh okay

Anybody got the u mad Oprah? :D



He was first tonight too... +5

Originally I was looking at last nights flowchart and thought it was tonights. Looks like you replied during my second edit. :unimpress

Bball
02-12-2012, 12:38 AM
The kid is kinda growing on me... I get the impression he really wants to find his niche and help the team win as a team. ...and I get the impression he's really trying to do it within the framework of the coaching.

He's got the athleticism. If he's coachable like it appears, then that really adds to his ceiling. Coachability was the real question mark I had with him as far as on the court goes....

CJ Jones
02-12-2012, 09:51 AM
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...okay I'm done. I'm literally crying over some these gifs. You guys are gonna hate me now. ( that's if you don't already) :devil: