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Lost in all this, is the great play of Pollard

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  • Lost in all this, is the great play of Pollard

    What I saw from Pollard in the T-Wolves game was very encouraging. I dare say he had a similar impact on the game that Jeff Foster usuaully does

    How many times did Pollard keep rebounds alive, how many hustle plays did Pollard make. Him getting injured in that game I thought was a major reason why the T-Wolves got back into the game.

    I just had to make this point, did not see it anywhere.

    Pollard looked like the player who destroyed the Pacers in the spring of 2002
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    Re: Lost in all this, is the great play of Pollard

    I'm very, very happy for Scot. Last year was a rough road. Teams need a guy like him.
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      Re: Lost in all this, is the great play of Pollard

      Originally posted by Unclebuck
      I dare say he had a similar impact on the game that Jeff Foster usuaully does


      I was thinking that exact same thing during the game. Pollard is playing nicely.
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        Re: Lost in all this, is the great play of Pollard

        Don't forget Croshere also , I think Pollard and Croshere has been a blessing this year so far.
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          Re: Lost in all this, is the great play of Pollard

          Pollard was outstanding in Minnesota. Hopefully he can continue his play throughout the year.

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            Re: Lost in all this, is the great play of Pollard

            Originally posted by ABADays
            I'm very, very happy for Scot. Last year was a rough road. Teams need a guy like him.
            Yeah they do. But we have two.

            When Foster comes back, do you take minutes from Cro, Harrison, or Pollard?

            What happens if Bender plays a game?
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              Re: Lost in all this, is the great play of Pollard

              Originally posted by Anthem
              Originally posted by ABADays
              I'm very, very happy for Scot. Last year was a rough road. Teams need a guy like him.
              Yeah they do. But we have two.

              When Foster comes back, do you take minutes from Cro, Harrison, or Pollard?

              What happens if Bender plays a game?


              You've got to take the minutes from Harrison. harrison has shown me he is going to be a darn good NBA center, but it takes centers awhile.
              And for every nice play Harrison makes he comes back and makes two terrible plays. His team defense right now is horrible

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                Re: Lost in all this, is the great play of Pollard

                Originally posted by Anthem
                Originally posted by ABADays
                I'm very, very happy for Scot. Last year was a rough road. Teams need a guy like him.

                What happens if Bender plays a game?
                I don't think we will have to worry about that.And onto Pollard good for him.During the Wolves game we were just out hustling them on the boards and just about everywhere.I think Pollard will do well this year and the same for Cro.I think all the injuries are just getting all of our rookies and players who don't play much.Time to get better and expierience for a long playoff run.I seriously hope the whole Artest fiasco dies down because they are a lot of positves that have came out of the first 5 games of the season.Oh yea and lets all hope Benders gets healthy and STAYS healthy.I am not a Bender hater I just want him to do well.The sad thing about all his injuries is that he is a very talented player and when he is on fire he is almost unstoppable.Remember the Kings game last yeat @ Conseco?I should I was there and man did Bender look good but then he had to get hurt.
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                  Re: Lost in all this, is the great play of Pollard

                  Originally posted by Unclebuck
                  Originally posted by Anthem
                  Originally posted by ABADays
                  I'm very, very happy for Scot. Last year was a rough road. Teams need a guy like him.
                  Yeah they do. But we have two.

                  When Foster comes back, do you take minutes from Cro, Harrison, or Pollard?

                  What happens if Bender plays a game?


                  You've got to take the minutes from Harrison. harrison has shown me he is going to be a darn good NBA center, but it takes centers awhile.
                  And for every nice play Harrison makes he comes back and makes two terrible plays. His team defense right now is horrible
                  I agree some much with his D being horrible UB.In fact I think it is putrid.How many times was he late on getting to the basket to stop an easy lay-up or dunk.He would get there late and foul.
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                    Re: Lost in all this, is the great play of Pollard

                    You've got to take the minutes from Harrison. harrison has shown me he is going to be a darn good NBA center, but it takes centers awhile.
                    And for every nice play Harrison makes he comes back and makes two terrible plays. His team defense right now is horrible
                    Agree that he needs work, strongly disagree that he loses minutes. I say feed him the minutes now so he's ready for the playoffs. Trade somebody ahead of him to push him into the rotation, I don't care. But we made this mistake with Bender already. Sitting him on the bench year after year won't make him any better. You get better by playing in the games.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Lost in all this, is the great play of Pollard

                      Same mistake was made last year with Peanut Butter. And he made the same mistake with Toilet Paper up in Detroit. I like Rick, but that's his one glaring fault.
                      Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                      Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                      Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                      Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                      And life itself, rushing over me
                      Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                      Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                      • #12
                        Re: Lost in all this, is the great play of Pollard

                        Yeah so far Peanut Butter is showing what his possibilities could have been, if he was able to get any playing time.

                        I got laughed at and told that I was not making a fair trade when I traded Dalembert to get PB in our fantasy league, but so far, the trade has paid off very well for me.

                        If Harrison can get some extended inutes on the floor to learn about all the tricks of the NBA players, I see him becoming a very good center. I hope all of us are right about him, because we could really use someone of that size to take the beating down under and give J.O. some relief on banging with the big guys.

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                          Re: Lost in all this, is the great play of Pollard

                          Originally posted by TheSauceMaster
                          Don't forget Croshere also , I think Pollard and Croshere has been a blessing this year so far.
                          Actually what I was referring to Sauce was a guy who has the ability to keep a team loose. Scot can be outrageously funny. No doubt Cro has stepped up big time but I really don't he's that funny - do you?

                          The best exercise of the human heart is reaching down and picking someone else up.

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                            Re: Lost in all this, is the great play of Pollard

                            Originally posted by Unclebuck
                            Originally posted by Anthem
                            Originally posted by ABADays
                            I'm very, very happy for Scot. Last year was a rough road. Teams need a guy like him.
                            Yeah they do. But we have two.

                            When Foster comes back, do you take minutes from Cro, Harrison, or Pollard?

                            What happens if Bender plays a game?


                            You've got to take the minutes from Harrison. harrison has shown me he is going to be a darn good NBA center, but it takes centers awhile.
                            And for every nice play Harrison makes he comes back and makes two terrible plays. His team defense right now is horrible
                            I'll take it one question further, has Pollard played well enough not to reliquish the starting position to Jeff when he returns? I actually think he is pretty close to doing so. He is not quite as effective on defense, but in general I believe his rebounding is a touch better, and specifically his offensive rebounding. What do you guys think??
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                              Re: Lost in all this, is the great play of Pollard

                              I think I ran into your signature avatar last night.
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