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Hicks
02-08-2012, 12:32 PM
http://www.1070thefan.com/podcast/Episodes.aspx?PID=2160

Worth a listen. Larry's comments about Lance (in terms of maturity) are encouraging.

CJ Jones
02-08-2012, 01:22 PM
I like how Bird points out that he thinks not only is Lance the best passer on the team, but also sees the court better than anyone else. Big difference between the two.

Good interview by conrad and the other dude too.

imawhat
02-08-2012, 01:26 PM
I normally take quotes from Bird about Lance with caution, but this one is detailed and pointed enough for me to believe in Lance's maturity. I hope he keeps it up.

Kid Minneapolis
02-08-2012, 01:32 PM
I'd almost like to see Lance focus on nothing but passing. Setting up teammates. Become a setup specialist. He could make a career of that. I don't even really care to see him score, I wanna see a crap-ton of those sick passes and lobs.

MiaDragon
02-08-2012, 02:05 PM
I'd almost like to see Lance focus on nothing but passing. Setting up teammates. Become a setup specialist. He could make a career of that. I don't even really care to see him score, I wanna see a crap-ton of those sick passes and lobs.

The kid needs to work on his FT's, what good is a PG that gets to the rim, gets fouled but cant hit the broad side of a barn.

PacerGuy
02-08-2012, 02:14 PM
L.Stephenson looks like Pacers best facilitator, yet plays w/ 0 play makers, is this the best recipe for his success?
Should we not take a look at plaing him more w/ the starters?
He was feeding Roy well last night - me likey!
I would love for Lance to develope a 3 pt shot though. With his quickness, defenders play off him, if he had a shot they would not be able to do that.

CJ Jones
02-08-2012, 02:15 PM
The kid needs to work on his FT's, what good is a PG that gets to the rim, gets fouled but cant hit the broad side of a barn.

Yup... and he needs to quit hanging his head and showing his emotions on the court too. I saw Dahntay and G. Hill talking to him about it after the missed free throws.

That's pretty cool when you think about. These guys that are competing with Lance for minutes, but still going out of their way to help a young player. You can't help but love this team.

BRushWithDeath
02-08-2012, 02:20 PM
It's still really hard for me to take anything Bird says about Lance seriously after he called him "our most talented player". But I hope he's right.

PacerGuy
02-08-2012, 02:23 PM
I saw Dahntay and G. Hill talking to him about it after the missed free throws. .

G.Hill had a good conversation w/him after Lance left his man at the end of the shot clock, & they hit a big 3, then again when Lanced missed his 2nd set of 2 FT's & then played madidor defence, trying to make a steel instead of playing solid D, & the Jazz scored on a 4 on 5 fast break to end the 3rd.

vnzla81
02-08-2012, 02:25 PM
I like to hear that Larry keeps repeating that he is still has some work to do.

CJ Jones
02-08-2012, 02:29 PM
It's still really hard for me to take anything Bird says about Lance seriously after he called him "our most talented player". But I hope he's right.

You think he's just hyping him up? Why would he do that at the expense of alienating the rest of the team.

Hicks
02-08-2012, 02:29 PM
I'd almost like to see Lance focus on nothing but passing. Setting up teammates. Become a setup specialist. He could make a career of that. I don't even really care to see him score, I wanna see a crap-ton of those sick passes and lobs.

Well, but the more he can become a scoring/shooting threat, the easier it's going to be for him to make more of those setup passes because of the defensive attention.

CJ Jones
02-08-2012, 02:36 PM
Well, but the more he can become a scoring/shooting threat, the easier it's going to be for him to make more of those setup passes because of the defensive attention.

That's what has me most excited. He's really crafty around the basket kinda like Marquis Daniels is, we just haven't seen much of it yet. Once he unlocks his paint game it'll open everything else up for him.

BRushWithDeath
02-08-2012, 02:38 PM
You think he's just hyping him up? Why would he do that at the expense of alienating the rest of the team.

He could really mean it this time. But it's a "boy who cried wolf" thing that has me unable to take anything he says on the issue at face value.

HC
02-08-2012, 02:39 PM
It's still really hard for me to take anything Bird says about Lance seriously after he called him "our most talented player". But I hope he's right.

He may very well be the most talented player. How can you not take Bird for his word? Are you sitting through every practice as Bird does?

Since86
02-08-2012, 02:45 PM
The Boy Who Cried Wolf isn't applicable. That story revolves around a kid that conintuously lied in order to get attention. It wasn't the fact that he was crying wolf, it was the fact that there was a pattern of him crying it for no good reason.

When has Larry had a pattern of saying this type of stuff?

CableKC
02-08-2012, 02:45 PM
I like how Bird points out that he thinks not only is Lance the best passer on the team, but also sees the court better than anyone else. Big difference between the two.

Good interview by conrad and the other dude too.
Correct me if I am wrong...but from game to game...whatever Lance's role is on the floor...specifically the primary ball handler trying to pass the ball as opposed to being the guy that is waiting on either side for the ball to be passed to him ( yes, the traditional "PG" and "SG" on the floor )...seems to change from game to game.

Based off of Bird's comments...wouldn't it make sense for Lance to the primary ball handler when he's on the floor then?

BRushWithDeath
02-08-2012, 02:48 PM
The Boy Who Cried Wolf isn't applicable. That story revolves around a kid that conintuously lied in order to get attention. It wasn't the fact that he was crying wolf, it was the fact that there was a pattern of him crying it for no good reason.

When has Larry had a pattern of saying this type of stuff?

Larry has continuously said that Lance is the most talented player on that roster. That's a lie.

Since86
02-08-2012, 02:49 PM
It's an opinion. It can't be a lie, unless you think you can prove Larry really doesn't believe it. That should be interesting.

BRushWithDeath
02-08-2012, 02:51 PM
It's an opinion. It can't be a lie, unless you think you can prove Larry really doesn't believe it. That should be interesting.

Not even able thinks Larry is stupid enough to really believe that.

Since86
02-08-2012, 02:59 PM
I still don't see anything there that supports your notion that he's lying about his opinion.

judicata
02-08-2012, 03:16 PM
I wonder if Lance realizes how fortunate he is. Bird has really been in his corner.

QuickRelease
02-08-2012, 03:42 PM
It's still really hard for me to take anything Bird says about Lance seriously after he called him "our most talented player". But I hope he's right.
He definetely is, in the dribbling and passing department. If he adds consistent finishing/shooting to his game, watch out!

CJ Jones
02-08-2012, 03:58 PM
Correct me if I am wrong...but from game to game...whatever Lance's role is on the floor...specifically the primary ball handler trying to pass the ball as opposed to being the guy that is waiting on either side for the ball to be passed to him ( yes, the traditional "PG" and "SG" on the floor )...seems to change from game to game.

Based off of Bird's comments...wouldn't it make sense for Lance to the primary ball handler when he's on the floor then?

I think Bird envisions Lance running the show one of these days, but right now they're trying not to put too much responsibility on his shoulders. They're trying to slowly break him in with out doing damage to the team in the process.

CJ Jones
02-08-2012, 04:04 PM
Larry has continuously said that Lance is the most talented player on that roster. That's a lie.

I guess I'm just not seeing why he'd lie. What would be the point?

Coming out of high school he was considerd one of the nations top players (just 3 yrs ago). No one else on the team can claim that.

daschysta
02-08-2012, 04:24 PM
I guess I'm just not seeing why he'd lie. What would be the point?

Coming out of high school he was considerd one of the nations top players (just 3 yrs ago). No one else on the team can claim that.

McRoberts was one of the nations top players too. He wasn't most talented on the Roster.

Ownagedood
02-08-2012, 04:25 PM
I bet lance could take on any of our guys in a 1 on 1 contest.. In that sense, hes the best.. He can take just about anybody off the dribble.

xBulletproof
02-08-2012, 04:41 PM
I love the 'opinions can't be wrong' argument, because that's false.

Well it is my opinion that anyone who disagrees with my opinion is, in fact a woman. So I guess since I can't be wrong, I'll talk to you later. You bunch of women.

CJ Jones
02-08-2012, 04:43 PM
McRoberts was one of the nations top players too. He wasn't most talented on the Roster.

No one said Josh was... Josh didn't have nearly the hype Lance had anyway.

Ownagedood
02-08-2012, 04:43 PM
I love the 'opinions can't be wrong' argument, because that's false.

Well it is my opinion that anyone who disagrees with my opinion is, in fact a woman. So I guess since I can't be wrong, I'll talk to you later. You bunch of women.

If you need me I'll be in the kitchen.

TheDon
02-08-2012, 04:50 PM
I'd rather see Lance try to come in and spot Collison some minutes and see what Lance can do running the offense with some more offensively capable players. Lance in the game with Paul George I think would be awesome.

McKeyFan
02-08-2012, 04:56 PM
Larry has continuously said that Lance is the most talented player on that roster. That's a lie.
Kinda arrogant, I think.

I think Lance is the most talented player on our roster.

I don't think I'm necessarily right, but I'm confident in my opinion. It's nice that Larry agrees.

Calling Larry a liar. Not really cool.

McKeyFan
02-08-2012, 04:59 PM
I like to hear that Larry keeps repeating that he is still has some work to do.
Yeah, he seems pretty open about wanting to use that capspace.

Someone help me here with memory. But hasn't Larry been a bit less open in this way in past years before the deadline? Hasn't it usually a lot of cautious speak and warnings that nothing may be done?

CableKC
02-08-2012, 05:11 PM
Yeah, he seems pretty open about wanting to use that capspace.

Someone help me here with memory. But hasn't Larry been a bit less open in this way in past years before the deadline? Hasn't it usually a lot of cautious speak and warnings that nothing may be done?
To be fair.....we really haven't been in this position where the FO has a lot of capspace to spend.

Last year...we had the Expiring Contracts...but I'm guessing that the opportunities / offers would be different than the ones that are available this year.

MTM
02-08-2012, 05:12 PM
I recall Mark Boyle jumping on here early in Lance's career and saying something similar to the effect that Lance was one of, if not the most, talented guy on the roster from a pure talent standpoint. He also cautioned about all the non-playing aspects.

To me this discussion is like in baseball when they talk about "five tool" players. Some players with all five tools turn out to be the best in baseball, and others don't ever really pan out, despite the talent.

Lance is potentially the Pacers' best version of a "five tool" player. He handles the ball and sees the floor, can jump, can pass, can shoot, has good size, and is pretty fast. I think Paul George may be surpassing Lance, however, once he gets his handles more developed. Lance is certainly much more raw.

For baseball fans who appreciate comparisons, I hope Lance is an Eric Davis, but sometimes I fear he is more Willy Mo Pena.

beast23
02-08-2012, 05:18 PM
I'd rather see Lance try to come in and spot Collison some minutes and see what Lance can do running the offense with some more offensively capable players. Lance in the game with Paul George I think would be awesome.

Personally, I'd rather see Lance earn whatever minutes he gets by continuing to grow his game. He can do that by hitting his free throws and developing some kind of shot that he can hit consistently... I don't care whether it's from mid-range or from behind the arc.

Eleazar
02-08-2012, 06:15 PM
From a raw talent point maybe he is, but there is so much more that goes into talent than what a player can physically do by himself. The game of basketball is a mental game, that is why so many players with the tools to be great end up being complete flops.

CableKC
02-08-2012, 06:18 PM
I think Bird envisions Lance running the show one of these days, but right now they're trying not to put too much responsibility on his shoulders. They're trying to slowly break him in with out doing damage to the team in the process.
I understand the need to not put pressure on him...but I don't see why he shouldn't be the primary ball handler that can initiate the offense when he is on the floor. If his skillset lends more to passing and creating for others...then shouldn't he be that guy handling the ball when he is on the floor instead of passing the ball off to AJ/DC/GH?

CableKC
02-08-2012, 06:23 PM
Question to all....is there a difference between a Player that has really good passing skills and court vision and a Player that runs/facilitates the offense?

As in...is it possible that a Player can have good passing skills and court vision but isn't really good and running/facilitating the offense?

Kemo
02-08-2012, 06:56 PM
L.Stephenson looks like Pacers best facilitator, yet plays w/ 0 play makers, is this the best recipe for his success?
Should we not take a look at plaing him more w/ the starters?


I have been beating this drum for some time now..
Glad you agree.

CJ Jones
02-08-2012, 07:17 PM
I love the 'opinions can't be wrong' argument, because that's false.

Well it is my opinion that anyone who disagrees with my opinion is, in fact a woman. So I guess since I can't be wrong, I'll talk to you later. You bunch of women.

He said opinions can't be lies.

Are you saying Larry's lying too?


I understand the need to not put pressure on him...but I don't see why he shouldn't be the primary ball handler that can initiate the offense when he is on the floor. If his skillset lends more to passing and creating for others...then shouldn't he be that guy handling the ball when he is on the floor instead of passing the ball off to AJ/DC/GH?

I'd like to see him running the offense, but I can't argue with the strategy the coaches have decided to go with. Lance seems more comfortable in his roll, and he's becoming more consistent so I'd say the switch has been good for him. If he keeps playing like he has been he'll get another chance to run the PG.



Question to all....is there a difference between a Player that has really good passing skills and court vision and a Player that runs/facilitates the offense?

As in...is it possible that a Player can have good passing skills and court vision but isn't really good and running/facilitating the offense?

That's Lance. He's got the skills, just not the know how yet. It's easier to learn how to be PG than it is to learn court vision or passing. That's why we're taking the time to develop him IMO.

BlueNGold
02-08-2012, 10:56 PM
Should we not take a look at plaing him more w/ the starters?
He was feeding Roy well last night - me likey!


I am a reformed Lance Hater...at least for now. He's playing smarter by the game, he's defending far, far better....and better than I thought possible. I would love to see him start at PG.

I honestly think DC would make for instant offense off the bench...and with guys like Lou, Foster, Pendy and Dahntay, well, you need that. Only issue is DC's ego. ...and no, I don't think DC is an all-star. He's a whole lot better than the guy we moved to get him...and he's the best PG since JT...but he simply doesn't see the floor well enough and pass well enough to really help the other players on offense. He's much better zipping around the court acting like a SG. Very effective at that.

90'sNBARocked
02-08-2012, 11:47 PM
Lance needs the ball in his hands to be effective. Polar oppisite of B Rush. He willl make turnovers mixed with flashes of brillance, but it beats standing in the corner

CJ Jones
02-09-2012, 12:11 AM
For baseball fans who appreciate comparisons, I hope Lance is an Eric Davis, but sometimes I fear he is more Willy Mo Pena.

... or the more recent Josh Hamilton, considering his troubles off the field. Still pissed the Reds traded him :(


Lance needs the ball in his hands to be effective. Polar oppisite of B Rush. He willl make turnovers mixed with flashes of brillance, but it beats standing in the corner

How bout the rebound, then no look pass to Lou :cool:? That's what we need on the break.

PGisthefuture
02-09-2012, 12:49 AM
If we don't make any moves for a point guard, I could see Lance becoming our starting pg in the next few years. We haven't had the opportunity to see Lance play with the starters very much, but I'm sure it would be a sight to see. I would also like to see more of Lance and PG on the court together.

MrPreGame
02-09-2012, 01:19 AM
Question to all....is there a difference between a Player that has really good passing skills and court vision and a Player that runs/facilitates the offense?

As in...is it possible that a Player can have good passing skills and court vision but isn't really good and running/facilitating the offense?

I look at Lance kinda like an anti-Tebow, they are opposite. Lance is lacking the intangible qualities Larry is looking for in a floor general role. He has all the talent and skills to do the job, but can he lead men? Does he have the camaraderie with the team to develop trust? Not yet is the answer to both of those questions. But once Lance does finally attain all of these intangible character traits then his natural basketball ability will blossom before our eyes and Larry's vision of Lance will be visible on the court for all to see.

The reason I have hope that all of this will happen is because every human being has to grow and mature eventually. It's not like a Tebow situation where we have to completely tear him down and reform him with a new set of skills. He can do the job, he is just not mentally ready.

spazzxb
02-09-2012, 01:26 AM
I love the 'opinions can't be wrong' argument, because that's false.

Well it is my opinion that anyone who disagrees with my opinion is, in fact a woman. So I guess since I can't be wrong, I'll talk to you later. You bunch of women.

But you don't believe that.

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