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1984
02-03-2012, 02:45 AM
[4] No dotcom coverage.

[3] It's Super Bowl week and downtown Indianapolis is full of people. So the Pacers were scheduled to play a semi-pro team called the New Jersey Nets. Then, they went on the road.

[2] The Pacers home schedule is poor. Teams with low attendance should have hosted more marque names.

[1] Twelve years in the greatest basketball stadium in the United States. No All-Star game.

I'm ranting, I know. Maybe I'm completely off target, but I am going to e-mail the commissioner's office everyday until they offer Indianapolis an all-star game.

luis3ep
02-03-2012, 02:51 AM
small market bias. Even if we do good we get ignored. The only thing that'd change this sadly is either a.) destroying great, well televised teams like the heat, bulls, thunder, clippers and such, or b.) having a superstar with constant highlights on sportscenter while at the same time winning a lot of games.

sucks doesn't it?

rock747
02-03-2012, 02:52 AM
Yes.

PGisthefuture
02-03-2012, 02:52 AM
[4] No dotcom coverage.

[3] It's Super Bowl week and downtown Indianapolis is full of people. So the Pacers were scheduled to play a semi-pro team called the New Jersey Nets. Then, they went on the road.

[2] The Pacers home schedule is poor. Teams with low attendance should have hosted more marque names.

[1] Twelve years in the greatest basketball stadium in the United States. No All-Star game.

I'm ranting, I know. Maybe I'm completely off target, but I am going to e-mail the commissioner's office everyday until they offer Indianapolis an all-star game.
Us being Pacer fans it's easy for us to think everybody is ignoring us or being biased towards us. I think we should get an all-star game here though, hopefully they realize what a great job the city is doing with the Super Bowl.

TheDavisBrothers
02-03-2012, 02:53 AM
duh?:-p

J7F
02-03-2012, 02:55 AM
[1] Twelve years in the greatest basketball stadium in the United States. No All-Star game.

I'm ranting, I know. Maybe I'm completely off target, but I am going to e-mail the commissioner's office everyday until they offer Indianapolis an all-star game.
when I had the job of rotating the advertisements on the scorers table at Conseco a few years ago a guy told me that TPTB at the Fieldhouse do not want to host an all-star game... They don't want the hassle of putting it on...

Heisenberg
02-03-2012, 02:55 AM
Our attendance numbers aren't going to do much to make the league think this is a market that's starved for a weekend of NBA festivities. Besides, hasn't Herb (or Mel before he passed) said they didn't want an ASG?

Hoop
02-03-2012, 02:56 AM
[1] Twelve years in the greatest basketball stadium in the United States. No All-Star game.
We could have had the All Star game the first few seasons when Conseco was built, we declined. The Pacers would've lost money and the real fans and season ticket holders would not have had access to tickets. This was pretty widely talked about at the time.

graphic-er
02-03-2012, 02:57 AM
Actually if I recall it has been the policy of management and ownership that the Pacers have no desire to host an All-star game because the franchise actually loses money on the event.

Hoop
02-03-2012, 03:03 AM
And we are not being ignored, every basketball related show has said good things about us. I'm not sure what some people expect.

The fans will come back after we make a playoff run, this is a fickle city and a bandwagon town, always has been. Most people don't even know we are having a great season so far.

This small market inferiority complex is in people's minds a lot of the time. Back when we were really good and a contender, we were in the top 5 of merchandise sales for the entire league, we were on National TV all the time. We played on National TV every Thanksgiving and every Christmas for several years, that is not being ignored. That is being elite.

We've been completely irrelevant for several years, it's not going to happen again over night.

PGisthefuture
02-03-2012, 03:46 AM
And we are not being ignored, every basketball related show has said good things about us. I'm not sure what some people expect.

The fans will come back after we make a playoff run, this is a fickle city and a bandwagon town, always has been. Most people don't even know we are having a great season so far.

This small market inferiority complex is in people's minds a lot of the time. Back when we were really good and a contender, we were in the top 5 of merchandise sales for the entire league, we were on National TV all the time. We played on National TV every Thanksgiving and every Christmas for several years, that is not being ignored. That is being elite.

We've been completely irrelevant for several years, it's not going to happen again over night.

Let's hope it goes back to being that way. I hate bandwagoners...

daschysta
02-03-2012, 03:55 AM
Once Roy gets named an All-Star we'll start getting some more national love. We got quite a bit for a mediocre lottery team during Granger's big year too. Once we win a playoff series we'll really start getting the love though. Paul George winning the dunk contest would help too ;).

Peck
02-03-2012, 04:30 AM
I think the fact that we have zero nationaly televise games, except for a few on NBAtv which I don't consider a real national game, is what most people take as a slight to the team.

Frankly, they should. Every NBA team should get at least one televised game.

Also there has been a very curious odd thing that the NBA has done this year by pointing out in highlights a travel and a kicked ball.

But simply because of our record the talking heads in the studios now have to talk about us and generally are complimentary. However due to lack of being broadcast we are kind of like Wilt's 100 point game. You know it happened but since there is no real visual evidence of the occurance it's almost unreal.

Oh yea and it is a fact that the team does not want to host the all-star game. They lost money and said the headaches just were not worth the hastle.

However that was Walsh and that happened in 1985. Both the team and the City has grown a lot since then and are very experianced in handling large sporting events now. I just don't know about the economic impact though.

King Tuts Tomb
02-03-2012, 04:34 AM
We haven't deserved attention for the last four years. It wasn't a fun team to watch. I don't blame any sports news organization for not covering us extensively. When we were good in the 90s we got a ton of coverage. Whenever I tell people I'm from Indiana one of the first things they ask about is Reggie Miller and those 90s teams.

Hoop
02-03-2012, 04:57 AM
I agree, every team should get at least one National TV game.

Unclebuck
02-03-2012, 07:34 AM
I get really tired of the woe is me attitude.

The Pacers did not want the allstar game.

Pacers have been a bad team for a number of years without any star players.

And the schedule is the schedule, why would we want bigger names here. We play the heat twice at home which is more than about 75% of the nba

I don't think every team should get at least one national tv appearance. We need to maximize the national contract, which is more important as a revenue source for small market teams

HC
02-03-2012, 07:39 AM
I don't know if I think the Pacers are being ignored, but I do know that I am sick and tired of watching the Clippers on tv every night. Have they even played an untelevised game this year? It's a bit ridiculous. Also, isn't Saturday's game getting national coverage? I thought I seen a commercial saying that, and that would be good pub given it is SB eve.

Will Galen
02-03-2012, 07:49 AM
[4]
[1] Twelve years in the greatest basketball stadium in the United States. No All-Star game.

I'm ranting, I know. Maybe I'm completely off target, but I am going to e-mail the commissioner's office everyday until they offer Indianapolis an all-star game.

The last I read the Pacers don't want to host an all star game. You're wasting your emails. As I remember, they don't like the way the NBA takes over and runs things. And it's more trouble than it's worth.

circlecitysportsfan
02-03-2012, 09:31 AM
Sounds like 1994 all over again in here.

2minutes twoa
02-03-2012, 09:47 AM
Everyone knows that the NBA is about big markets and big names. The Pacers don't have either of those things. Once they make some noise in the playoffs and PG becomes a superstar, they will have no choice but to recognize our existence!!

shags
02-03-2012, 11:01 AM
I don't know if I think the Pacers are being ignored, but I do know that I am sick and tired of watching the Clippers on tv every night. Have they even played an untelevised game this year? It's a bit ridiculous. Also, isn't Saturday's game getting national coverage? I thought I seen a commercial saying that, and that would be good pub given it is SB eve.

There's a reason for that, even beyond the fact that Chris Paul and Blake Griffin play for the Clippers. ESPN and TNT normally televise games at 8:00 and 10:30 on Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday. Only 8 teams (Lakers, Clippers, Kings, Warriors, Blazers, Suns, Jazz, and Nuggets) can fill that 10:30 slot with home games. 22 can fill the 8:00 slot. It's why you'll see the Kings and Warriors on national TV on occasion.

Sandman21
02-03-2012, 11:51 AM
We need to maximize the national contract, which is more important as a revenue source for small market teams

NBA needs to get an over-the-air national platform that gives a crap about them first.;) Anyone else notice that the NBA was on the top of its game ratings wise BEFORE ESPN/ABC picked up the contract?

The NBA needs to go home... to NBC.....:D

graphic-er
02-03-2012, 03:12 PM
I don't know why people thinks it's personal. We've sucked for a long time and now finally contending. We get a ton of credit inside and outside of the area.

As for in Indy. People are definitely interested and they are well aware of the team we have. With the SB chaos, that's in the spotlight, but once that's over with, it's pretty certain the attendance will rise BIG. Again, it's pretty certain. Great, fun, team who is winning. People love their basketball and their Pacers. The balcony price dropped for the next month or so which is a great way to "sample" this team.

I mean, I know the 76ers have played some good teams recently, but they've been having near sellouts and it's to see the 76ers. I read they've sold a lot of ticket packs recently. I don't care about them being in a larger city. It's as fair weathered as any other. They've been in the exact same boat as us and if they can get crowds like that, you better believe we can/will too. Once the SB festivities are over with and the spotlight is completely ours and I believe we'll be following Philly's path also.

IF, attendance doesn't improve at all games after (Utah game this upcoming Tuesday looking awfully empty), I strongly hope someone says something. It's not fair or right that this team, who is one of the best in the league plays at home in front of a bunch of empty seats. IN THE HEARTLAND OF BASKETBALL NO LESS! I'm hoping maybe Danny, the leader/captain comes out and says something about it. Just to actually vent his frustration. He certainly was not at all happy with the crowd in Game 4 of the playoffs.

The game against Orlando is looking great though. Near sellout on it's way to being sold out. I know a lot of outsiders probably bought whatever seats in the balcony, but it'll be great to have a large home crowd and hopefully that's the beginning to continued large crowds.

You know Indiana loves basketball, they'll be packing it in after the SB when the spotlight is on the Pacers.

Forever the optimist...

Trader Joe
02-03-2012, 03:22 PM
Some of you sound like a bunch of Purdue fans up in here :D

Serious little brother syndrome.

Trader Joe
02-03-2012, 03:24 PM
The best thing the Pacers could do to help themselves is beat the **** out of the Magic tomorrow night.

ilive4sports
02-03-2012, 03:26 PM
I think the fact that we have zero nationaly televise games, except for a few on NBAtv which I don't consider a real national game, is what most people take as a slight to the team.

Frankly, they should. Every NBA team should get at least one televised game.

Also there has been a very curious odd thing that the NBA has done this year by pointing out in highlights a travel and a kicked ball.

But simply because of our record the talking heads in the studios now have to talk about us and generally are complimentary. However due to lack of being broadcast we are kind of like Wilt's 100 point game. You know it happened but since there is no real visual evidence of the occurance it's almost unreal.

Oh yea and it is a fact that the team does not want to host the all-star game. They lost money and said the headaches just were not worth the hastle.

However that was Walsh and that happened in 1985. Both the team and the City has grown a lot since then and are very experianced in handling large sporting events now. I just don't know about the economic impact though.

The no national games really rubs me the wrong way. Don't say its cause we were a bad team, because plenty of terrible teams have national games. Did you hear Barkley on TNT last night? "Oh my God, we're showing the Kings!?"

I really thought we would get a Bulls vs Pacers game on ESPN/TNT this year after how good the series was last post-season. Its disappointing, and it really doesn't make sense.

And why would the Pacers not want to host the all-star game?

Jessen
02-03-2012, 03:33 PM
The no national games really rubs me the wrong way. Don't say its cause we were a bad team, because plenty of terrible teams have national games. Did you hear Barkley on TNT last night? "Oh my God, we're showing the Kings!?"

I really thought we would get a Bulls vs Pacers game on ESPN/TNT this year after how good the series was last post-season. Its disappointing, and it really doesn't make sense.

And why would the Pacers not want to host the all-star game?

Read Shag's comment below...

I have to admit I was perplexed that we didn't get the espn/tnt spot for the bulls vs pacers. We did get NBA TV for that night though. Keep in mind also that we are a small market. ESPN and TNT are looking to max out ratings, so they are usually going to pick big market teams for the money. If you were the owner of their network, you would do the same.

HC
02-03-2012, 04:03 PM
There's a reason for that, even beyond the fact that Chris Paul and Blake Griffin play for the Clippers. ESPN and TNT normally televise games at 8:00 and 10:30 on Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday. Only 8 teams (Lakers, Clippers, Kings, Warriors, Blazers, Suns, Jazz, and Nuggets) can fill that 10:30 slot with home games. 22 can fill the 8:00 slot. It's why you'll see the Kings and Warriors on national TV on occasion.

I understand all of that, but I'm sure they could mix it up a little bit with better scheduling and what not. Of course with this being a shortened season that is a little more difficult. I'm just fed up watching the same team, other than one that is my own, every stinking night. I'm sure Clippers fans love it though.

pacers74
02-03-2012, 04:12 PM
Just wait, if this season plays out like it looks like it is going to the pacers will be all over the media by April.

CableKC
02-03-2012, 04:34 PM
I could care less about being ignored by the NBA or the National media....the lower we fly under the radar...the better.

If we go on the road and fans think that we'd be a pushover team cuz we were mediocre last year....they will have a rude awakening when we beat them into submission with our defense.

I will say this every time that this subject comes up....ignore us at your own peril.

As pacers74 said, winning will change everything....we'll get our "respect" in due time...by earning it through hard work and determination....instead of having the "respect" bestowed upon us cuz some SuperTeam was formed in the bowels of some GMs laboratory ( like what Dolan did with the Knicks ).

Ace E.Anderson
02-03-2012, 05:00 PM
I don't see a reason why the NBA wouldn't "ignore" the pacers. We don't have any superstar, marquee players, and we haven't been a meaningful team since the Brawl. We barely made the playoffs last yr, and even when we did make it, we were 10 games under .500.

This year we are off to a good start, but there are far too many other plots going on elsewhere in the league for them to cover a small market team after 20 games of success. If we continue to win, we will slowly but surely receive coverage from the media and the NBA. At this point in time, we are no different than the "baby-bulls" from a few years ago with Hinrich, Deng and Gordon--a young, up and coming team.

Peck
02-03-2012, 06:19 PM
Indiana Pacers Attendance

Year Total Avg
2009-10 582,295 14,202
2008-09 581,472 14,182
2007-08 501,092 12,221
2006-07 629,750 15,359
2005-06 663,368 16,179
2004-05 696,764 16,994
2003-04 683,125 16,662
2002-03 670,461 16,353
2001-02 686,537 16,745
2000-01 733,444 17,889
1999-00 752,145 18,345
1998-99 404,536 16,181
1997-98 645,302 15,739
1996-97 636,735 15,530
1995-96 673,967 16,438
1994-95 655,028 15,976
1993-94 543,815 13,264
1992-93 530,891 12,949
1991-92 517,352 12,618
1990-91 475,291 11,592
1989-90 528,275 12,885
1988-89 468,912 11,437
1987-88 502,319 12,252
1986-87 520,007 12,683
1985-86 460,969 11,243
1984-85 437,677 10,675
1983-84 421,202 10,273
1982-83 197,364 4,814
1981-82 318,062 7,758
1980-81 409,839 9,996
1979-80 433,402 10,571
1978-79 367,160 8,955
1977-78 501,759 12,238
1976-77 432,726 10,554

The only year we have ever been packed to the rafters was the first year in the fieldhouse and that was the year the team went to the finals. Take a look at some of those games in the 80's, I'm stunned that we were able to keep the team here to be honest with you.l

This is a basketball state, to a point. But it is not an NBA state. Yes they will get behind the team for a deep playoff run, but you are just setting yourself up for a major dissapointment if you think that fans are going to sell out the fieldhouse. The fact that Saturday nights game still has tickets available should say something. I mean yes there are a ton of other options in town that night but the overall population is way up for the city as well.

Scot Pollard
02-03-2012, 07:20 PM
Indiana Pacers Attendance

Year Total Avg
2009-10 582,295 14,202
2008-09 581,472 14,182
2007-08 501,092 12,221
2006-07 629,750 15,359
2005-06 663,368 16,179
2004-05 696,764 16,994
2003-04 683,125 16,662
2002-03 670,461 16,353
2001-02 686,537 16,745
2000-01 733,444 17,889
1999-00 752,145 18,345
1998-99 404,536 16,181
1997-98 645,302 15,739
1996-97 636,735 15,530
1995-96 673,967 16,438
1994-95 655,028 15,976
1993-94 543,815 13,264
1992-93 530,891 12,949
1991-92 517,352 12,618
1990-91 475,291 11,592
1989-90 528,275 12,885
1988-89 468,912 11,437
1987-88 502,319 12,252
1986-87 520,007 12,683
1985-86 460,969 11,243
1984-85 437,677 10,675
1983-84 421,202 10,273
1982-83 197,364 4,814
1981-82 318,062 7,758
1980-81 409,839 9,996
1979-80 433,402 10,571
1978-79 367,160 8,955
1977-78 501,759 12,238
1976-77 432,726 10,554

The only year we have ever been packed to the rafters was the first year in the fieldhouse and that was the year the team went to the finals. Take a look at some of those games in the 80's, I'm stunned that we were able to keep the team here to be honest with you.l

This is a basketball state, to a point. But it is not an NBA state. Yes they will get behind the team for a deep playoff run, but you are just setting yourself up for a major dissapointment if you think that fans are going to sell out the fieldhouse. The fact that Saturday nights game still has tickets available should say something. I mean yes there are a ton of other options in town that night but the overall population is way up for the city as well.

I'd say that was great. I mean, most teams don't sellout EVERY game. At least 90% of the Fieldhouse was filled night in and night out.

The Pacers were often praised for their crowds.

I really can't talk about attendance much longer and I'm seriously not going to comment on it anymore.

Once the SB is over, attendance will go up greatly.

Hoosiers CANNOT resist good basketball!

ilive4sports
02-03-2012, 07:39 PM
clearly david stern read this thread and then put us on espn

Pacer Fan
02-03-2012, 07:45 PM
Pacers basketball was terrible, ugly in the 80's. We used to laugh at the fact that the Indiana High School All-State Teams could put a beat down on the Pacers. The 80's HS BB was to good to invest any time or $ into the Pacers. They was just really bad! You think they was bad this last few years, nah, not compared to back then! Sad, but true!

My dad and others use to say that the NBA didn't want the ABA teams to succeed in the NBA. That the NBA made it hard on the former ABA teams. FA and Trading was terrible for the Pacers. Not sure how accurate that was but the perception of this was sure there.