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Odd Thoughts: Shooting down the Hawks

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    Odd Thoughts: Shooting down the Hawks

    Don’t let the final score fool you; this game was not as close as the score indicated. We won the game in the 3rd and by the beginning of the fourth the Hawks pretty much just threw in the towel. By the 6 min. mark we actually emptied our bench and I have no idea if this is true or not but to the best of my knowledge this is the first time in our teams history that during a regular season game we went 13 players deep in a game.

    Our interior defense tonight with Roy anchoring was outstanding. I mean there was one sequence (where Horford was injured) where we shut down the rim like an iron curtain; nobody was getting a shot up with out our players contesting. That defensive stand got me up out of my seat and cheering because that was all hustle and it ended with a two handed David West slam. I can’t tell you what a joy that was to watch in person. I’m sorry Horford was injured on the play but it was nothing that any of our players did he just came down awkward on his arm. Let’s hope he isn’t injured long term. But man that play, wow what a play.

    Ok before we move on I have to give you this one little tidbit. So I’m sitting there watching Jeff Foster pull up and nail a three point shot like he is Ray Allen and of course the arena is going crazy and the bench is high fiving each other and everyone is all smiles when my phone starts vibrating. It was a text message from Roaming Gnome and this is all it said. “See…. All those years of O’Brien paid off”. Talk about being a buzz kill.

    Anyway let’s do tonight in bullet point format.

    • Eventually I’m going to not even talk about Roy anymore, all I’m going to do is just put $$ signs up. When I got home tonight I turn on NBAtv and there is Shaquille O’Neal talking about Roy saying what a great player he is and how he loves how well he passes. I’ll just say it now, in my wildest dreams I never guessed Roy would turn out to be the player he is right now. I mean this season he has been a dominating presence in every single game we’ve played.
    • Roy is getting two bullets tonight because I want to make sure this does not get lost. The most impressive thing about Roy tonight? Not one single foul. This isn’t a guy who doesn’t play defense; he does and is a heck of a shot blocker. But not one single foul is just amazing.
    • Yes Danny Granger broke out of his shooting slump and yes that was huge. But I want to make sure that everyone understands how big of a contribution he made in the 3rd quarter on defense. Now this is a coaching strategy so we will give Frank all of the credit in the world here as well, but Danny was moved over to guard Josh Smith for a lot of the 3rd and he shut him down. I’m not sure Smith scored more than 2 points after the half and Danny was a very large part of that. Also in the first half Danny knocked the ball off of Joe Johnson (I think) out of bounds. Danny will not get a stat for that so if you didn’t see it you wouldn’t know it happened but it was a great defensive stand. Great overall game by Danny.
    • Lance Stephenson harnessed the power of the sun in his shoes and by God it worked. This was by far his best game a pro and I’m sure his continued good play is what eventually made Atlanta just throw in the towel so early. I mean if he is coming in and killing you with made shots and Foster is hitting a three that doesn’t even touch rim you know it’s probably not your night. He only got out of control once and he either made one of the greatest passes for an assist in history or George Hill bailed him out I’m not sure which but it looked good anyway. Also note to Lance, Tyler is not Josh. We had a rare alley oop jump shot tonight. In other words Lance threw it up to Tyler for the dunk but Tyler caught it and one handed (big Mac style) a jumper. Anytime you get this kind of production from your bench you just take it and thank God for it.
    • Speaking of Tyler, Josh Smith is just not a good match up for him. Josh is one of those very weird long high jumpers who also has the ability to move like Gumby. In other words where Tyler over powers these players more often than not, Josh just contorts his body to where Tyler’s strength is negated and he can jump higher so Hansbrough often takes really bad shots. No rebounds either, though to be fair Foster ripped one right out of his hands that he had lined up. Not a Murphy type of steal because Jeff didn’t see Tyler coming but a steal nonetheless. But Tyler probably should have had more than zero boards.
    • David West started out the game wrecking havoc on them because of his mid range game. Thus negating Josh Smith’s abilities on that end. But he kind of faded away in the third but by then he wasn’t needed so he took a good rest with the other starters in the 4th.
    • Jim O’Brien was 3 -10 vs. the Hawks in his time here with all three of his wins coming in that first season. In fact over the past two seasons whenever we played the Hawks it was really just a matter of how much we lost by and how badly Roy’s mentality would be affected by Al Horfords big game. Frank Vogel is now 2-0 vs. the Hawks and Atlanta now is adjusting their game to us, not the other way around. Example, the Hawks actually went to a two three zone in the 3rd (the act of a desperate team) and that lasted all of one Danny Granger three point shot and then that was that. Oh how the times have changed.
    • Now is the time in Odd Thoughts when we dance.

    • I will tell you now I really like that Ivan Johnson that Atlanta has. We have no room for him and we don’t need him but he is a nice player and I really am a sucker for players who struggle to make the league but never quite.
    • As to that last play between Lou & Collins? I wish Lou would have just dribbled out the clock or at the very least thrown up some crappy jumper (it is implied that if Lou shoots a jumper it will be crappy). Honestly I can’t say I blame Collins much and if you will recall last year Danny said he would have taken off Calderon’s head in Toronto if he was his man for taking a three at the end of a game. I love when Lou is on the floor but that wasn’t really the wisest of decisions.
    • Jeff Pendergraph made his season debut tonight. That is all I’m going to say about that.

    Guys this was a real win against a real team and we didn’t just beat them, we stomped the dog crap out of them. I know we are never to get to high after a win and never to down after a loss but after so many years of roaming the wilderness (for me it’s been a decade) I can’t help but say that I love this team. As I am typing this in the back ground I am hearing the NBAtv guys talking about the Indiana Pacers. But it is not about our game tonight, they are talking about us while talking about the Knicks & 76ers game and they are all giving us a lot of love. They are saying we are the team to watch out for.

    All fame is fleeting and be careful not to get to comfortable, but fans right now we are in the midst of a Pacers rebirth. I don’t really care so much about our record at the end of the year (well of course I want a winning one Duh) but as long as they give us the effort they gave us tonight I will be more than happy and IMO that type of effort more times than not will lead to victory.



    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13
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  • #2
    Re: Odd Thoughts: Shooting down the Hawks

    Shaq talking good about Roy? I remember when he didn't give a crap about Roy.
    @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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      Re: Odd Thoughts: Shooting down the Hawks

      So here's what I'm curious about. At one point did I see Foster, Tyler and West out there together? Have we seen that before?

      I was watching the Atlanta feed and they didn't mention it. Nobody mentioned it in the post game thread. And I don't have time to read the game thread.

      I was thinking maybe JSmooth was playing the 3 so Frank figured Tyler could guard him there. But I'm not sure.

      Just curious what people thought of that lineup. Or did I imagine it?

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        Re: Odd Thoughts: Shooting down the Hawks

        Originally posted by Peck View Post
        Ok before we move on I have to give you this one little tidbit. So I’m sitting there watching Jeff Foster pull up and nail a three point shot like he is Ray Allen and of course the arena is going crazy and the bench is high fiving each other and everyone is all smiles when my phone starts vibrating. It was a text message from Roaming Gnome and this is all it said. “See…. All those years of O’Brien paid off”. Talk about being a buzz kill.

        This is absolutely priceless... WTG guys!

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          Re: Odd Thoughts: Shooting down the Hawks

          Originally posted by Strummer View Post
          So here's what I'm curious about. At one point did I see Foster, Tyler and West out there together? Have we seen that before?

          I was watching the Atlanta feed and they didn't mention it. Nobody mentioned it in the post game thread. And I don't have time to read the game thread.

          I was thinking maybe JSmooth was playing the 3 so Frank figured Tyler could guard him there. But I'm not sure.

          Just curious what people thought of that lineup. Or did I imagine it?
          I'm pretty sure you confused DJ with Dwest I do this all the time
          @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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          • #6
            Re: Odd Thoughts: Shooting down the Hawks

            Actually Peck, Horford hurt his shoulder when Roy blocked the crap out of his second shot attempt. You are giving the floor too much credit, it was all Roy.

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            • #7
              Re: Odd Thoughts: Shooting down the Hawks

              Not to be a downer, but we need better dancing gifs.
              You Got The Tony!!!!!!

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              • #8
                Re: Odd Thoughts: Shooting down the Hawks

                Yeah, Horford landed on his right shoulder and it was his left that was injured I believe. I am pretty sure it happened on the second block.

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                • #9
                  Re: Odd Thoughts: Shooting down the Hawks

                  I'm surprised you didn't mention the moment when Danny had a wide, wide open shot behind the arc, but took a few dribbles closer to the rim (NOT dribbling toward the rim until he got to a defender either), squared up, and took the open, simpler, 2 point midrange shot instead.

                  He's been in a slump and he didn't just gun up a 3 because he could. He got a simpler shot and drained it. Stepping over the line to get a simpler shot is something that would've drove O'Brien insane. He preached stepping back to make sure you got the 3.... not moving closer. Maybe the de-programming is starting to work....
                  Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Odd Thoughts: Shooting down the Hawks

                    Roy had a sweet dime to a cutting Danny that got them both fired up.

                    If that kind of thing can continue to gain momentum, we will be seeing some interesting things in Pacer Nation in the future.
                    Last edited by McKeyFan; 01-12-2012, 11:15 AM.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Odd Thoughts: Shooting down the Hawks

                      Originally posted by Peck View Post

                      • Eventually I’m going to not even talk about Roy anymore, all I’m going to do is just put $$ signs up. When I got home tonight I turn on NBAtv and there is Shaquille O’Neal talking about Roy saying what a great player he is and how he loves how well he passes. I’ll just say it now, in my wildest dreams I never guessed Roy would turn out to be the player he is right now. I mean this season he has been a dominating presence in every single game we’ve played.
                      No kidding. Does anyone know how much the max he can make in the new CBA is? I'm not sure how the percentage system breaks down exactly, but Roy is going to get at least the 5 for $60 that guys like Horford and Noah got. If he keeps playing like he has been, and that's all it takes to keep him, I'd say that's a really good price.

                      Originally posted by Peck View Post

                      • As to that last play between Lou & Collins? I wish Lou would have just dribbled out the clock or at the very least thrown up some crappy jumper (it is implied that if Lou shoots a jumper it will be crappy). Honestly I can’t say I blame Collins much and if you will recall last year Danny said he would have taken off Calderon’s head in Toronto if he was his man for taking a three at the end of a game. I love when Lou is on the floor but that wasn’t really the wisest of decisions.
                      That was the only real disappointment of the night. Really dumb play, and Collins was certainly well within his rights to try to decapitate him.

                      Good post-game breakdown, as always Peck.
                      Last edited by Mackey_Rose; 01-12-2012, 08:43 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Odd Thoughts: Shooting down the Hawks

                        Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                        Shaq talking good about Roy? I remember when he didn't give a crap about Roy.
                        Here's the quote

                        He was speaking in general terms. Also, it should be noted that Dwight Howard was giving Roy love around the same time - who Shaw hates.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Odd Thoughts: Shooting down the Hawks

                          I know we are never to get to high after a win and never to down after a loss
                          Around here? Um, yeah ... good luck with that.


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                          • #14
                            Re: Odd Thoughts: Shooting down the Hawks

                            A win is a win is a win. The Hawks are a good team that will be in the playoffs. Pacers played a very good second half (two home games in a row where they dominated the second half - that is a good sign)

                            But the Hawks were not good last night, they were dead tired, they didn't have their legs. They have been playing a ton of games lately and several OT games. So I wouldn't say that beating the hawks last night was a huge thing. With the schedule the way it is this year, it is almost less about who you play but when you play them.

                            Granger guarded Josh Smith last season and he defended him rather well - better than anyone else we have.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Odd Thoughts: Shooting down the Hawks

                              I can't seem to get over the fact that this team is 7-3 and with a very winnable game Friday, could be 8-3 in another 48 hours. And yet most of us think that (i) there is still a piece or two missing to get over the hump of being really good and (ii) until the Atlanta game, we really haven't played well collectively.

                              The team went from medicore to very good very quickly. How long until very good becomes very capable of running away with the whole thing?

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