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pwee31
12-18-2011, 10:53 PM
Read the Pacers are after a center from Mexico.

http://www.iamagm.com/news/2011/12/18/mexican.player.gustavo.ayon.hot.pursuit.pacers.nug gets.and.hornets

PacerPenguins
12-18-2011, 10:59 PM
wow just went on youtube.... dude looks pretty damn impressive

Ozwalt72
12-18-2011, 10:59 PM
No idea who he is.

But with a name like that...he must be a Pacer. Get it done Larry!

1984
12-18-2011, 11:01 PM
Gustavo Ayon averages 16.6 points per 29.2 minutes. Read Gustav's DraftExpress profile HERE (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Gustavo-Ayon-6355/stats/).

PacerGuy
12-18-2011, 11:01 PM
Why not has El'Pacero talked oh him?

Ozwalt72
12-18-2011, 11:04 PM
The little bit he has on youtube...looks like an nba athlete. I wanna know if Cordobes knows anything about him...

Pacer Fan
12-18-2011, 11:06 PM
pretty good

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Rl1a2Dx5mw

rock747
12-18-2011, 11:07 PM
Alot of teams have been after this guy...

http://projectspurs.com/2011-articles/march/spurs-interested-in-gustavo-ayon.html

http://arizona.sbnation.com/phoenix-suns/2011/4/13/2109514/gustavo-ayon-suns-mexico-nba-prospect

1984
12-18-2011, 11:11 PM
Including the Spurs, and I am assuming that is attractive to a young man from Mexico.

pacers74
12-18-2011, 11:21 PM
He looks good in the videos, but these international guys are hit and miss. I would rather get Stanko than this guy.

xBulletproof
12-18-2011, 11:37 PM
He looks like Gheorghe Muresan with a tan.

Hicks
12-19-2011, 12:28 AM
I've never heard of him. If he's actually wanted by multiple teams, I guess I'm at least a little interested. We could still use another center.

D squared fan
12-19-2011, 12:44 AM
He looks fundamentaly sound and a baller...but he has the Spurs name written all over him...

imawhat
12-19-2011, 01:02 AM
That dude's definitely not a center. His game looks nice though.

Eleazar
12-19-2011, 01:57 AM
That dude's definitely not a center. His game looks nice though.

Yeah, I was thinking he looked more like a PF who can play a little SF on the side.

AesopRockOn
12-19-2011, 02:08 AM
If he manages a chain of fried chicken restaurants, we may want to stay away.

Pacersalltheway10
12-19-2011, 02:18 AM
He is very mobile and has a mid range jumper in his aresnal. Doesn't play like a center on offense but definitely does on defense. In a game a few years ago, he dunked and shattered the backboard.

El Pacero
12-19-2011, 02:18 AM
Él es de mi hogar lejos de casa y muy bien hablado. ¿Te diste cuenta que ya está usando el azul y oro? Creo que es muy bueno.

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PR07
12-19-2011, 02:58 AM
He's worth a look as long as it's not for any big money.

CableKC
12-19-2011, 03:14 AM
If we are looking at options outside of the NBA for a Center....why is Stanko not an option?

Pingu
12-19-2011, 04:35 AM
I'm guessing contract/buyout issues are what is keeping Stanko from the Pacers.

ksuttonjr76
12-19-2011, 10:37 AM
Hmmm...interesting. I only want him now, because the Spurs want him. Share the love. They already have Giniboli and Parker.

Elroy
12-19-2011, 11:25 AM
Senor Ayon is reported to have two years left on his contract in Spain, $4.5 million this year and $4.75 next, with a buyout. Obviously, he's attracted a lot of interest, but he isn't likely to be cheap if he's signed.

Gamble1
12-19-2011, 11:30 AM
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Emiliano Carchia (http://twitter.com/SportandoBasket): Mexican big man Gustavo Ayon closer to sign in NBA with the New Orleans Hornets. 1st to report 1of best Spanish journalists @Chema de Lucas (http://twitter.com/chemadelucas) about 1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/SportandoBasket/statuses/148763684968206336)

PacerGuy
12-19-2011, 12:20 PM
Emiliano Carchia: Mexican big man Gustavo Ayon closer to sign in NBA with the New Orleans Hornets. 1st to report 1of best Spanish journalists @Chema de Lucas about 1 hour ago

Surprised a team owned by the NBA is willing to pay the buy-out necessary to make this signing happen.

90'sNBARocked
12-19-2011, 12:23 PM
Wait , Stern is also a dictator in Mexico?

D-BONE
12-19-2011, 12:44 PM
¡Viva comandante Stern! El mero mero con cojones de hierro.

Gamble1
12-19-2011, 03:43 PM
Alvaro Martin (http://twitter.com/AlvaroNBAMartin): #GustavoAyon (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23GustavoAyon)'s deal with #NewOrleansHornets (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23NewOrleansHornets) depends on Ayon buying out the rest of his #Fuenlabrada (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Fuenlabrada) contract for reported $1.5 million. about 6 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/AlvaroNBAMartin/statuses/148848526024118273)

I forget how much teams can help buyout a contract. Is it 500,000?

Gamble1
12-19-2011, 03:50 PM
Alvaro Martin (http://twitter.com/AlvaroNBAMartin): #NewOrleansHornets (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23NewOrleansHornets) offer #GustavoAyon (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23GustavoAyon) a three-year, $5 million contract, with the third year at team's option about 14 minutes ago (http://twitter.com/AlvaroNBAMartin/statuses/148848083827044352)
Thats a bit much. How can Stern let this happen if he's trying to get a low payroll.

tadscout
12-19-2011, 03:58 PM
Thats a bit much. How can Stern let this happen if he's trying to get a low payroll.

He's a young player, making about what a 1st round draft pick would make... what's wrong with that?

Gamble1
12-19-2011, 04:11 PM
He's a young player, making about what a 1st round draft pick would make... what's wrong with that?
No one has even heard of him and I seriously doubt he would be a lottery pick which is what 5 million would cost a team.

pacer4ever
12-19-2011, 04:13 PM
I forget how much teams can help buyout a contract. Is it 500,000?

about 525k it was raised in the new CBA

tadscout
12-19-2011, 04:20 PM
No one has even heard of him and I seriously doubt he would be a lottery pick which is what 5 million would cost a team.

It averages out to be about 1.66 mil a year... with the third year a team option. It will have zero negative impact on selling the team.

Gamble1
12-19-2011, 04:22 PM
It averages out to be about 1.66 mil a year... with the third year a team option. It will have zero negative impact on selling the team.
I read it as 3 years 5 million per.. I am probably wrong. :blush:

wintermute
12-20-2011, 01:23 PM
Article regarding Charlotte's buyout of Biyombo's contract from Fuenlabrada - total buyout $1.5m

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/12/19/2863102/setting-biyombo-free-was-tricky.html

Posted here because Gustavo Ayon plays for the same team (Fuenlabrada) and would probably need a similar buyout to play in the NBA.

Interestingly, it was widely reported before the draft that Biyombo had an NBA out in his contract. Guess that wasn't true.


The basic facts: Biyombo had signed a contract that would have paid him about $100,000 had he played for Fuenlabrada this season. The team clamed Biyombo owed Fuenlabrada 80 percent of his earnings, world-wide, for the foreseeable future.


Sounds like some sort of legal extortion really.

Oliver
12-20-2011, 01:48 PM
We should fiercely pursue this Gustavo guy.:box:

pacer4ever
12-20-2011, 05:50 PM
Article regarding Charlotte's buyout of Biyombo's contract from Fuenlabrada - total buyout $1.5m

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/12/19/2863102/setting-biyombo-free-was-tricky.html

Posted here because Gustavo Ayon plays for the same team (Fuenlabrada) and would probably need a similar buyout to play in the NBA.

Interestingly, it was widely reported before the draft that Biyombo had an NBA out in his contract. Guess that wasn't true.



Sounds like some sort of legal extortion really.

It is there was an article back in 04 that really exposes it. That is why they have a buyout limit that teams can pay so the other leagues dont get huge pay days.

Most of the guys only make 80k a year and ask for a buyout of 3m it is absolutely ridiculous






Buyouts in Europe Raise Alarm in the N.B.A.
By CHRIS BROUSSARD


here is a 12-year-old boy in Serbia whose 6-foot-11 frame has European scouts beside themselves, itching to sign him to a professional contract. The hope is not that he will one day blossom into a dominant player overseas but that in six or seven years the N.B.A. will come calling, leading to a financial boon worth millions for whatever club has his rights.

Over the past few years, the selling of international players to teams in the National Basketball Association has become big business, and some agents and officials of N.B.A. teams believe it is becoming a big scandal, one in which international clubs are signing teenagers to long-term, relatively low-paying deals, then demanding buyouts worth significantly more than the original contract when they are drafted by an N.B.A. team.

With international players becoming increasingly prominent in the N.B.A. draft and with buyout amounts escalating, there is a growing sense that FIBA, the sport's international governing body, and the N.B.A. should revamp the system. Some American agents likened it to a form of indentured servitude because N.B.A. rules forbid teams to pay more than $350,000 for an overseas buyout, so the player ends up paying the bulk of the money.

"There has to be a committee formed by FIBA, the N.B.A. and all the governing bodies of basketball around the world because it's getting out of hand," said Tony Ronzone, the Detroit Pistons' director of international scouting. "Teams are now seeing the rewards they can get and they're looking for kids younger and younger, 12 and 13 years old, with the intention of signing them to contracts. It hasn't been done yet, but it's coming. It's going to come to a head sooner or later. In two years, something will have to be done."

Two recent situations illustrate Ronzone's point. Maciej Lampe, the Knicks' second-round draft pick from Poland, made about $50,000 last year on a contract with Real Madrid that was to run through 2008. But the buyout clause in the contract was for $2.2 million, though the Knicks were able to whittle it to $900,000.

And last week, Detroit completed a long, complicated negotiation with Hemofarm Vrsac for the rights to Darko Milicic, its first-round pick from Serbia and Montenegro. After telling Milicic's agent, Marc Cornstein, in February that it would take $15 million to buy him out of a nine-year contract that paid Milicic less than $100,000 last season, Hemofarm asked for $8 million to $10 million when approached by the Pistons after the draft.

On Friday, the Pistons signed Milicic to a contract after agreeing to a buyout that was worth $3 million, according to a person briefed on the negotiations.

"It's been quite a roller coaster to get to this day," Joe Dumars, the Pistons' president for basketball operations, said at Friday's news conference.

Earlier, responding to a question sent via e-mail, Dumars said he believed the current system of transferring an international player's rights to the N.B.A. would "have to be addressed."

Cornstein, who represents four foreign-born 2003 draft picks, was more outspoken.

"The European teams sign these kids at a very young age to long-term deals for tiny amounts of money and then hold the N.B.A. teams over a barrel," he said. "They've found a way to strike it rich, and I think it's a major problem. The N.B.A. shouldn't be able to raid a European team, but at the same time, when the buyout is worth multiple times more than the contract itself, at what point does it go from compensation to extortion?"

Few disagree with Cornstein's assertion that international clubs are seeking to profit from players who are drafted by the N.B.A. But representatives of FIBA and the N.B.A. said the system was unlikely to change.

"I don't see how there can be any regulation," Russ Granik, the N.B.A.'s deputy commissioner, said. "And I don't see it as a huge problem because in the end, these things tend to work out. You may walk away thinking that maybe the European team got away with something, but it works out."

Granik said one possible solution is for younger international players, on the advice of an agent, to reject long-term deals in favor of shorter contracts. But the European teams typically get to 14-year-olds before agents, and with many of the players coming from impoverished backgrounds, the deals they receive appear lucrative.

"A $50,000 contract may be nothing by the standards of the L.A. Lakers, but in some places, that's a lot of money," Dirk-Reiner Martens, the legal adviser for FIBA, said in a telephone interview from Munich.

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Ronzone believes a system similar to the N.B.A.'s rookie pay scale should be instituted: a percentage of a players' N.B.A. contract, based on draft position, would go toward a buyout.

But Martens said the system could not, and should not, be changed. In 1990, FIBA, which represents 208 countries, including the United States, and the N.B.A. agreed to honor all legitimate contracts worldwide. Martens contends that the team holding a player's contract has the power to refuse any offers it receives or to say in effect, "make me an offer I can't refuse." He said anything else would be tantamount to overriding a nation's domestic law.

"We should not interfere with contractual rights," Martens said. "Even if we were concerned, we have no way of changing the system. You have to abide by the laws. In the U.S., the N.B.A. has to abide by one legal system. At FIBA, we have to abide by 208 legal systems."

Not all European teams are looking to recoup a tenfold return on their contracts. Benetton Treviso is known as the most N.B.A.-friendly international club; Maurizio Gherardini, Benetton's general manager, said the team would never ask for a buyout that exceeded the total value of a contract. When Denver made Benetton's Nikoloz Tskitishvili the fifth overall pick in 2002, Tskitishvili bought out his seven-year, $1.2 million contract for $1 million.

"My rule is that it has to be something that makes sense and is reasonable for both parties," Gherardini said in a telephone interview from Stockholm, where he was watching the European championships. "I think a buyout that's higher than the contract is unreasonable."

Not every agent believes the system borders on scandalous. Bill Duffy, whose clients include Yao Ming, Rasho Nesterovic and Marko Jaric, wishes that N.B.A. teams would pay more than $350,000 and not leave the financial burden to the players.

"The European teams don't have the revenue from television, radio and ticket sales that the N.B.A. does, so one of their few ways of getting lucrative, long-term money is when a player is bought out of his contract," Duffy said.

If an international team wants to make an exorbitant amount of money from a player it produced, more power to it, Martens said.

"If I had a team in Europe and I invested a lot of money in the formation of a player - I took him to basketball school, fed him, paid all his expenses - and by the time he turns 17, he's a big prospect, I would try to make as long a contract as I can possibly make," Martens said. "Then, if an N.B.A. team comes along, I say, 'No, you can't have him, unless I get back a buyout and extra benefits.' And given the N.B.A. salaries, people get greedy and say: 'Ah, this is the N.B.A. The price goes up 10 times.' That's reality, and we can't stop it."

the buyout limit is now up to 525k. So Bismack has to pay 800k out of pocket for his buyout to play in Charlotte.

Sparhawk
12-20-2011, 06:18 PM
Why are these international players signing long contracts for so little. WTF, talk about teams taking complete advantage of players.

pacer4ever
12-20-2011, 06:32 PM
Why are these international players signing long contracts for so little. WTF, talk about teams taking complete advantage of players.

Because in Mexico 50k is a **** ton same in Europe. If I was good enough at 14 to get a 100k per year contract you bet your *** I would sign it.

pacer4ever
12-21-2011, 02:03 PM
DraftExpress Jonathan Givony
Now its official I can finally say: Gustavo Ayon is a STEAL. Smart, tough, active, athletic 4/5. A young Jeff Foster. Well done New Orleans.


DraftExpress Jonathan Givony
Most of the NBA was quietly tracking Gustavo Ayon. Everyone wanted to keep him a secret, hence the lack of hype/buzz. Clearly a NBA player..

Lance George
12-21-2011, 04:12 PM
It sounds like we missed out on a potentially great pick-up.

DraftExpress Jonathan Givony
In Spain. Arguably most productive player in league: draftexpress.com/profile/Gustav… RT @BKoremenos Where did Gustavo Ayon play before NO nabbed him?

DraftExpress Jonathan Givony
People are asking why didn't we write about Ayon? We no longer offer that type of information (international free agent scouting) publicly.

DraftExpress Jonathan Givony
Jeff Foster in his prime was an absolute stud. Efficient, rebounding MACHINE. RT @DanRoom Is comparing someone to Jeff Foster a good thing?

DraftExpress Jonathan Givony
6-10. Plays his *** off. Smart. Rebounds. Tough. Finds ways to score. Teammate. Perfect rotation big. RT @ekw248 School me on Gustavo Ayon.

Oliver
12-22-2011, 01:31 AM
We should have passed on West and Pendergraph and gone for Gustavo and McRoberts instead. EDIT:Although I guess McBob might have left anyway.

Psyren
12-22-2011, 01:35 AM
We should have passed on West and Pendergraph and gone for Gustavo and McRoberts instead. EDIT:Although I guess McBob might have left anyway.

:rolleyes:

LG33
12-22-2011, 10:25 AM
The international arena hasn't been kind to us of late.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_PnQvEpQ3eH8/SSGCY9qKoYI/AAAAAAAAlvs/lZ0HAEif_2o/s144/Sarunas_Jasikevicius_delta_03_05.jpg