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pacers74
12-15-2011, 10:48 AM
I know there has been a thread on this before, but I just saw this picture on the star web site. Check out how tall PG looks. He looks taller than West for sure.

http://cmsimg.indystar.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?NewTbl=1&Site=BG&Date=20111214&Category=SPORTS&ArtNo=112140805&Ref=PH&Item=1&Maxw=640&Maxh=410&q=60

croz24
12-15-2011, 10:52 AM
Nice pic! Hopefully we get those unis changed soon though...

Psyren
12-15-2011, 10:53 AM
I agree.

He looks taller than both Granger and West.

FrenchConnection
12-15-2011, 10:55 AM
That is a long starting lineup. Well, minus DC of course.

Pacerized
12-15-2011, 10:57 AM
So the 2cd. biggest guy in our starting lineup is our shooting guard.
I wish West were 3 inches taller and played more of a post game. We'd dominate on the boards. Maybe George can pick up the slack some, otherwise we'll be in the bottom 15 for rebounding.

sportfireman
12-15-2011, 10:58 AM
Go Pacers!!!

Trader Joe
12-15-2011, 10:58 AM
So the 2cd. biggest guy in our starting lineup is our shooting guard.
I wish West were 3 inches taller and played more of a post game. We'd dominate on the boards. Maybe George can pick up the slack some, otherwise we'll be in the bottom 15 for rebounding.

We were a top 5 rebounding team last year....If David West was 3 inches taller, he'd be 7 feet tall.

Scot Pollard
12-15-2011, 10:59 AM
Teams better take note and watch out for this team. Paul's height is a major advantage and still guard smaller wings and guards.

That's a good picture too. I wish it was centered and they were looking at the camera.

Those guys rep those unis very well.

Happy to have them on this team. Looking forward to a great season.

croz24
12-15-2011, 10:59 AM
So the 2cd. biggest guy in our starting lineup is our shooting guard.
I wish West were 3 inches taller and played more of a post game. We'd dominate on the boards. Maybe George can pick up the slack some, otherwise we'll be in the bottom 15 for rebounding.

Height has almost nothing to do with being a good rebounder...

Since86
12-15-2011, 11:02 AM
I think PG's weight gain is more impressive than growing one extra inch tall. He's starting to grow into his body. He could get into the lane, but had troubles finishing. The extra weight will help him more than his height. He'll be able to hold his path much better.

Pacerized
12-15-2011, 11:03 AM
We were a top 5 rebounding team last year....If David West was 3 inches taller, he'd be 7 feet tall.

Do you think he looks 6'9" in that photo? He may be sloutching but he looks to be 2-3 icnhes shorter then George. We'll be a worse rebounding team with West. He played some heavy minutes to get just over 7 boards for the last to years. I'm not slamming on the guy, it will be nice to have the second scoring threat, he's simply small and a poor rebounder for his position.

Scot Pollard
12-15-2011, 11:06 AM
David is 6'9, Danny is rounded up to be 6'9, and Paul looks 6'10.

They won't change what's recorded on the roster though. Height/weight is never exact anyway unless it changes a lot.

It's not really a big deal in their cases..

Trader Joe
12-15-2011, 11:07 AM
Do you think he looks 6'9" in that photo? He may be sloutching but he looks to be 2-3 icnhes shorter then George. We'll be a worse rebounding team with West. He played some heavy minutes to get just over 7 boards for the last to years. I'm not slamming on the guy, it will be nice to have the second scoring threat, he's simply small and a poor rebounder for his position.

From the angle that photo is taken, West is not anywhere as close to the camera as George. Yes, Paul is taller, but West said as much 6'10" vs. 6'9".

West is a plenty good rebounder especially when you account for a fact that this is a team with guys who should be above average rebounders at other positions. The team already proved they are a great rebounding team last year, and unless you think McRoberts to West is that big of a dropoff (which I think at worst is a wash and more likely West is actually the superior rebounder) then there is no reason to be concerned about our rebounding this year.

Ownagedood
12-15-2011, 11:10 AM
That is a long starting lineup. Well, minus DC of course.

He's in the picture too... He's just behind the other guys.. :D

Ownagedood
12-15-2011, 11:12 AM
DC's in that picture. The other guys are just so tall that he's out of frame.

Beat you! ;)

tennymf
12-15-2011, 11:15 AM
You all realize that the camera angle of that shot skews perspective, right? West looks an inch or two taller than Granger in that picture, because he's closer to the camera. Looking at this picture from straight on, Granger looks an inch or two taller than West:

http://www.nba.com/pacers/photos/JLH_6369.jpg

Ownagedood
12-15-2011, 11:18 AM
You all realize that the camera angle of that shot skews perspective, right? West looks an inch or two taller than Granger in that picture, because he's closer to the camera. Looking at this picture from straight on, Granger looks an inch or two taller than West:

http://www.nba.com/pacers/photos/JLH_6369.jpg

I agree with this, but I think Granger only looks taller in this because his hair.. And West has a more Chill stance going on where danny is standing tall.

I would say PG is taller than them tho anyways..

Scot Pollard
12-15-2011, 11:25 AM
People on here have been thinking too much about this lately.

Who cares?

They know their positions/roles and just hope we do well this season.

CreekShow
12-15-2011, 11:26 AM
I have so much faith in PG, this HAS to be a break out year for him. He looks like a monster right now, especially at the 2. Hes going to be a problem fot a lot of NBA teams this year. I give it 2 years before he is the new face of the Pacers franchise

glazedham42
12-15-2011, 11:26 AM
I love watching Roy come out during the starting lineups always. Every time he stands up and lifts his hands up in the air I am continually amazed at his size. It never fails. He's just ....... plain....... BIG.

Lance George
12-15-2011, 11:29 AM
http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/2151/height.png (http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=&year=All&source=All)

Trophy
12-15-2011, 11:36 AM
Paul will really be 2MUCH4U this season.

Ownagedood
12-15-2011, 11:40 AM
http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/2151/height.png (http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=&year=All&source=All)

Good to see West has a large wingspan.. That definitely helps for a player that seems short..

Add an inch to that for PG from growing and thats awesome..... We care about it because it creates that little bit more of a mismatch and advantage for Paul.

Pacerized
12-15-2011, 11:41 AM
From the angle that photo is taken, West is not anywhere as close to the camera as George. Yes, Paul is taller, but West said as much 6'10" vs. 6'9".

West is a plenty good rebounder especially when you account for a fact that this is a team with guys who should be above average rebounders at other positions. The team already proved they are a great rebounding team last year, and unless you think McRoberts to West is that big of a dropoff (which I think at worst is a wash and more likely West is actually the superior rebounder) then there is no reason to be concerned about our rebounding this year.

http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats/_/sort/reboundRate

I'm not sure where you're getting top 5 in rebounding last year, and I don't see any of our players being above average for their position in that category other then George.
According to Hollinger we were 15th. in rebounding last year at 50.2.
You're probably right about West comparing to McBob in rebounding but I think West will play more minutes and he's a below average rebounder for a PF. In the end if West gets 35 minutes and playing down through the rotation Hans, and Foster play less then last year, then I think we'll drop to the bottom half of the league in rebounding.
Again, I'm not slamming on West and I think we'll be a better team with him but we would have been better off with a bigger more traditional pf to play next to Roy. Bird did the best he could and overall it was a good move.
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Ownagedood
12-15-2011, 11:46 AM
I wish there was a way to check how many rebounds a player got versus his competition... I would be willing to bet West is not a below average rebounder.. He played with Tyson Chandler who is a beastly 7'1 defensive, rebounding machine.. I don't think many people would get a lot of rebounds playing next to someone like him.

danman
12-15-2011, 11:59 AM
Sometimes fans look at total team rebounds instead of differential. The latter stat actually means something.

Barring another move, the Pacers are mediocre on the boards. It's not a real strength for West.

I like him a lot for personality/leadership. And overall, I like his game. A plus guy on scoring, and solid all around.

beezer615
12-15-2011, 12:10 PM
And why is he still listed as a Shooting Guard? lol He's 6-10!

diamonddave00
12-15-2011, 12:12 PM
He is listed as a shooting guard because thats the position he'll play the majority of the time.

Scot Pollard
12-15-2011, 12:13 PM
And why is he still listed as a Shooting Guard? lol He's 6-10!

People need to stop thinking so much into this.

:picard:

cdash
12-15-2011, 12:19 PM
People on here have been thinking too much about this lately.

Who cares?

They know their positions/roles and just hope we do well this season.

It's just fun to talk about.

pacers74
12-15-2011, 12:20 PM
You all realize that the camera angle of that shot skews perspective, right? West looks an inch or two taller than Granger in that picture, because he's closer to the camera. Looking at this picture from straight on, Granger looks an inch or two taller than West:

http://www.nba.com/pacers/photos/JLH_6369.jpg

If you look at the original picture in this thread Granger and West are standing right next to each other and West looks taller than Granger. His shoulders are higher than Danny's too. It is not much, but just a little bit taller.
Let's just say they are pretty close to the same height and both 6'9".

Oliver
12-15-2011, 12:20 PM
Dang PG is 6'10?!!! WTF This dude really is gonna B nasty!!

pacers74
12-15-2011, 12:22 PM
I just love having a legit SG that is 6'10". It doesn't mean much it is just cool. He should get some awesome height out of his jumper, and he will be a bear to guard driving it into the lane.

WhoLovesYaBaby?
12-15-2011, 12:26 PM
I am more concerned about his shooting touch than his height. Although the height will come in handy on post ups.

ndcoltsnpacers
12-15-2011, 12:29 PM
I just love having a legit SG that is 6'10". It doesn't mean much it is just cool. He should get some awesome height out of his jumper, and he will be a bear to guard driving it into the lane.

I'm pretty sure I heard Danny say in his Media Day interview that him and PG both had been working quite a bit on their post up games over the summer as instructed by Vogel. That will be quite a mismatch for other shooting guards.

bigdaddy19
12-15-2011, 12:37 PM
I just love having a legit SG that is 6'10". It doesn't mean much it is just cool. He should get some awesome height out of his jumper, and he will be a bear to guard driving it into the lane.

I also think that his superior height will make his shot unblockable at the 2 spot.

pizza guy
12-15-2011, 12:42 PM
I know there has been a thread on this before, but I just saw this picture on the star web site. Check out how tall PG looks. He looks taller than West for sure.

http://cmsimg.indystar.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?NewTbl=1&Site=BG&Date=20111214&Category=SPORTS&ArtNo=112140805&Ref=PH&Item=1&Maxw=640&Maxh=410&q=60

Love this pic. These guys are huge, and our starting lineup is going to cover the entire court.

Also, it looks like Danny, Roy, and Paul have all gotten stronger on top. The other pic of just DG, DW, and RH makes Danny's arms look huge. And of course, Fluffy's arms are enormous.

I'm excited. This sure beats the pre-season pics of Travis Deiner.

Ownagedood
12-15-2011, 12:43 PM
Love this pic. These guys are huge, and our starting lineup is going to cover the entire court.

Also, it looks like Danny, Roy, and Paul have all gotten stronger on top. The other pic of just DG, DW, and RH makes Danny's arms look huge. And of course, Fluffy's arms are enormous.

I'm excited. This sure beats the pre-season pics of Travis Deiner.

To add to those things all of the starting line is very athletic.. :)

ejwallace
12-15-2011, 12:55 PM
http://www.nba.com/pacers/photos/JLH_6369.jpg

They're all smiling....we're going to have a bad season.....And look how Granger and George are grouped together leaving West all alone.....No togetherness....Where's the gelling people.....THE GELLING.....

glazedham42
12-15-2011, 01:03 PM
http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/2151/height.png (http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=&year=All&source=All)

How can Danny have a 2" longer wingspan than Paul, but a 4" shorter reach? Something's not right there....

tennymf
12-15-2011, 01:09 PM
How can Danny have a 2" longer wingspan than Paul, but a 4" shorter reach? Something's not right there....

Broader shoulders?

tadscout
12-15-2011, 01:17 PM
http://cdn.uproxx.com/assets/images/73/73_569cdc087181fbefd40ae1e88694fcad.jpg

Height isn't everything. Just ask Charles Barkley...

vnzla81
12-15-2011, 01:23 PM
http://cdn.uproxx.com/assets/images/73/73_569cdc087181fbefd40ae1e88694fcad.jpg

Height isn't everything. Just ask Charles Barkley...

If I got a dollar for everytime somebody mentions that.......

cdash
12-15-2011, 01:24 PM
http://cdn.uproxx.com/assets/images/73/73_569cdc087181fbefd40ae1e88694fcad.jpg

Height isn't everything. Just ask Charles Barkley...

God those were ugly ****ing uniforms.

Steagles
12-15-2011, 01:28 PM
Nice pic! Hopefully we get those unis changed soon though...

Bring the blue ones With the yellow stripe under the word Pacers back.

Thesehttp://img.tapatalk.com/c6e4eb8c-3c4d-36df.jpg


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MyFavMartin
12-15-2011, 01:58 PM
Last years roster lists PG as 6'8" and 215. Wells reports he gained 10 pounds of muscle and grew 2", so at 6'10" and 224, he is Durant-like in size who is listed at 6'9" and 230.

BillS
12-15-2011, 02:19 PM
Bring the blue ones With the yellow stripe under the word Pacers back.

Thesehttp://img.tapatalk.com/c6e4eb8c-3c4d-36df.jpg


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Wow, I hated those. I mean :puke: level hated.

They go back to that kind of design and it's no jerseys for me.

pizza guy
12-15-2011, 02:21 PM
Bring the blue ones With the yellow stripe under the word Pacers back.

Thesehttp://img.tapatalk.com/c6e4eb8c-3c4d-36df.jpg


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I love these.

But, if they change the uniforms, let's dig up the ones rel and The Sleeze did and submit those for consideration. Loved those.

glazedham42
12-15-2011, 02:27 PM
I love these.

But, if they change the uniforms, let's dig up the ones rel and The Sleeze did and submit those for consideration. Loved those.

Yeah. Every time I think about the Pacers getting new uniforms I think back t that thread. There were some great homemade prototypes in that thread. They were better than 75% of the current NBA jerseys IMO.

The Sleeze
12-15-2011, 02:28 PM
i will not let it die
http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthread.php?t=64374&page=5

http://oi52.tinypic.com/w02o0o.jpg

Gamble1
12-15-2011, 02:31 PM
You all realize that the camera angle of that shot skews perspective, right? West looks an inch or two taller than Granger in that picture, because he's closer to the camera. Looking at this picture from straight on, Granger looks an inch or two taller than West:

http://www.nba.com/pacers/photos/JLH_6369.jpg
West looks like he's squeezing off one while Danny and Roy are try not to laugh.

glazedham42
12-15-2011, 02:34 PM
I really liked this one....

http://oi54.tinypic.com/2ij6z3a.jpg

2minutes twoa
12-15-2011, 02:35 PM
I love that West is struggling to smile! Reminds me of DD! Never saw that dude smile until they beat the Knicks to go to the finals!


Rise up Pacer Nation!!!

glazedham42
12-15-2011, 02:36 PM
The home version is equally as beautiful. I'm partial to the Flo Jos though....

http://oi51.tinypic.com/20qnhbm.jpg

The Sleeze
12-15-2011, 02:38 PM
The home version is equally as beautiful. I'm partial to the Flo Jos though....


I think its sacrilegious to be a Pacer fan and not be partial to the FloJo's

Gamble1
12-15-2011, 02:41 PM
http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/2151/height.png (http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=&year=All&source=All)
I really don't understand how a guy (Paul George) can be .25 inches taller and have a smaller wingspan by 2.25 inches yet have a higher standing reach by 4 inches compared to Danny.

Measurements can be misleading IMO.

The Sleeze
12-15-2011, 02:45 PM
I really don't understand how a guy (Paul George) can be .25 inches taller and have a smaller wingspan by 2.25 inches yet have a higher standing reach by 4 inches compared to Danny.

Measurements can be misleading IMO.

It means Paul's arms and hands are 3.75 inches longer than Danny's, and Danny's shoulders are 6 inches (3.75 + 2.25) wider than Paul's.

And Danny's shoulders are pretty wide, just look at the picture next to Roy, Danny's shoulders and chest look quite a bit wider than Roy's.

Kid Minneapolis
12-15-2011, 02:48 PM
Last years roster lists PG as 6'8" and 215. Wells reports he gained 10 pounds of muscle and grew 2", so at 6'10" and 224, he is Durant-like in size who is listed at 6'9" and 230.

Wow, I never would've thought Durant was only 6'9"... he looks 6'10" or 6'11" to me.

ejwallace
12-15-2011, 02:49 PM
The home version is equally as beautiful. I'm partial to the Flo Jos though....

http://oi51.tinypic.com/20qnhbm.jpg

I think I prefer this one a bit better....

http://oi52.tinypic.com/wlr9zk.jpg

Tom White
12-15-2011, 02:55 PM
So the 2cd. biggest guy in our starting lineup is our shooting guard.


So was Bobby Wilkerson when he played at IU. That turned out pretty darned well.

Wilkerson also was the guy jumping for the opening tip. He usually got it.

imawhat
12-15-2011, 03:01 PM
I am more concerned about his shooting touch than his height. Although the height will come in handy on post ups.

Sure, Kojak :).

graphic-er
12-15-2011, 03:03 PM
Why is the word "Pacers" in those jersey mockups the color of Laker Purple?

1984
12-15-2011, 03:17 PM
If you look hard, you can see the top of Darren Collison's head.

I think the angle makes Paul George look so much taller than David West.

Indra
12-15-2011, 03:38 PM
To be honest I love the pacers' current uni's, and I hate hate hate the fake flo jo mock ups. The text looks like something out of a bad scifi flick, and the flo jos are dated and used up. These aren't the 90's Pacers, and fans need to accept that and appreciate those years for what they were.

Unclebuck
12-15-2011, 04:20 PM
here is the picture that shows you how tall George is. he looks exactly as tall as Granger, but obviously shorter than Roy and slightly shorter than Tyler.


http://www.nba.com/pacers/photogallery/2011_media_day_12.html

pacer4ever
12-15-2011, 04:22 PM
http://www.indystar.com/article/20111215/SPORTS04/112150368/Pacers-George-still-growing?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Sports

has anyone posted this?

Really?
12-15-2011, 04:32 PM
here is the picture that shows you how tall George is. he looks exactly as tall as Granger, but obviously shorter than Roy and slightly shorter than Tyler.


http://www.nba.com/pacers/photogallery/2011_media_day_12.html

Looks taller than Granger to me, also form this pic it looks like Tyler might have grown a inch as well over the summer, lol

Really?
12-15-2011, 04:36 PM
Biggest thing to me, PG looks noticeably bigger(muscle wise), I am happy about that, I am just excited for tomorrow, should be a good night, I wonder how much pt the invited players will get.

Since86
12-15-2011, 04:37 PM
Not that it matters, but Tyler looks like he's a tad bit closer to the camera than the other 3, going off of their feet positioning. Either way, these are good problems to have.

Noodle
12-15-2011, 05:43 PM
How can Danny have a 2" longer wingspan than Paul, but a 4" shorter reach? Something's not right there....

PG's shoulder's are not as wide as Grangers. Granger has a wide set of shoulders. Shoulders are included in wingspan measurements. Arms alone, plus height should answer your question to why.

Scot Pollard
12-15-2011, 05:47 PM
Paul doesn't seem at all phased by his grown because it's really not a big deal.

He's still going to play the same style and that's what he worked on and that's his game.

His height makes him even more of a beast.

The wing lineup of he and Danny is going to be something else.

Naptown_Seth
12-15-2011, 05:52 PM
He is listed as a shooting guard because thats the position he'll destroy with his defense the majority of the time.
I had to touch it up just a tad for you. ;)

His size/wingspan were miserable for Rose last year, and it would seem like he may have gotten a little bigger in the last 6 months. His awareness should continue to grow the next 2 years which should take his defense to all-defensive team consideration, at least if he wants it.


T'bird appears to have totally nailed this pick.

Naptown_Seth
12-15-2011, 05:57 PM
here is the picture that shows you how tall George is. he looks exactly as tall as Granger, but obviously shorter than Roy and slightly shorter than Tyler.


http://www.nba.com/pacers/photogallery/2011_media_day_12.html
Tyler is closer to the camera, you can see by their feet. Paul is also leaning back slightly.

S Pollard is right about this being too big a deal about not that much, but its funny to me to see one photo debunked due to angles and then another one with similar issues trotted out as counter proof.

I think Paul looks a tiny bit taller than Tyler, who was easily 2 inches shorter than Foster based on standing right next to both of them, not a photo. Tyler maybe has 1/2 inch on Danny.

This is a combo of having 2 slightly short PFs and 2 somewhat taller wings. I like the roster, but Paul's reach won't always help that much when West or Tyler are getting overmatched by size.



Here's a funny photo where the players are positioned pretty evenly...the range in shooting guards an opponent might face
http://www.nba.com/pacers/photogallery/2011_media_day_13.html

DC goes out, Hill moves to point, PG24 swings back to SG..."hey, could you bring the little guy back" says nearly all opposing SGs. :D

Scot Pollard
12-15-2011, 06:02 PM
Paul and the Pacers were mentioned on PTI. We've been getting a lot of recognition and praise.

This is one of many things Paul will be recognized for.

His height/ability to play the way he does and crush opposing wings and little guards. Try putting a big man on him and he'll just drive by with his speed.

TAKE NOTE NBA OF PAUL GEORGE AND THE INDIANA PACERS!

Pacersalltheway10
12-15-2011, 06:16 PM
I think I prefer this one a bit better....

http://oi52.tinypic.com/wlr9zk.jpg

looks more like a Lakers jersey