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ballism
12-14-2011, 11:42 AM
Pinch me.
1. What the hell, Dumars?
2. What the hell, Rodney?
3. Do we need a new lockout?

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7351922/rodney-stuckey-detroit-pistons-bargaining-impasse-sources-say



The Detroit Pistons and restricted free agent Rodney Stuckey are struggling to come to terms on a long-term contract, sources said.

Stuckey, the Pistons' top free agent this offseason, is balking at what the Pistons are prepared to pay him. The Pistons have discussed a deal that would pay Stuckey between $40 million and $45 million over five years, according to sources.

By comparison, Mike Conley agreed to a five-year, $40 million extension with the Memphis Grizzlies in November.

Stuckey's representatives, seeking an even bigger deal, have been contacting other teams the past few days, looking to broker a sign-and-trade deal. However, the Pistons are telling teams that they won't agree to a sign-and-trade for Stuckey, sources said.

If the impasse continues, Stuckey's reps are threatening to take the Pistons' one-year, $3.87 million qualifying offer for Stuckey, which would make him an unrestricted free agent in 2012.

Shade
12-14-2011, 11:47 AM
You can't really blame him. The poor guy needs to feed his family.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mor2i3lZHGw/TsWCRyf4LgI/AAAAAAAAAe8/8AVVW7dE2rM/s1600/LatrellSprewell.jpg

beast23
12-14-2011, 11:48 AM
At least one of two things must be true:
1. Either Stuckey doesn't want to play for the Pistons and he is trying to force something.
2. Stuckey is a nut job.

Pacer Fan
12-14-2011, 11:49 AM
Pinch me.
1. What the hell, Dumars?
2. What the hell, Rodney?
3. Do we need a new lockout?

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7351922/rodney-stuckey-detroit-pistons-bargaining-impasse-sources-say

So he could potentially leave 51mil on the table, wow!

Sparhawk
12-14-2011, 12:19 PM
Pinch me.
1. What the hell, Dumars?
2. What the hell, Rodney?
3. Do we need a new lockout?

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7351922/rodney-stuckey-detroit-pistons-bargaining-impasse-sources-say

Good luck with that Stuckey. Your bad attitude will turn off a lot of teams.

graphic-er
12-14-2011, 12:26 PM
Well it was clear all last year that he thinks he needs a new start. I mean the guy literally refused to go back into a game.

Kuq_e_Zi91
12-14-2011, 12:29 PM
Yeah, I don't think Stuckey really thinks he's worth that much. He's just done in Detroit and doesn't want anything to do with them anymore. I think he'll probably end up taking the 1 year offer, hitting free agency next offseason, signing for less than Detroit offered him, and being the happiest he's been in a long, long time.

Trader Joe
12-14-2011, 12:30 PM
Rodney Stuckey is not comparable to Mike Conley...in any way.

Kstat
12-14-2011, 12:31 PM
Yeah, I don't think Stuckey really thinks he's worth that much. He's just done in Detroit and doesn't want anything to do with them anymore. I think he'll probably end up taking the 1 year offer, hitting free agency next offseason, signing for less than Detroit offered him, and being the happiest he's been in a long, long time.

All fine by me.

I don't for one second buy that he'll take less money, though.

BRushWithDeath
12-14-2011, 12:34 PM
Rodney Stuckey is not comparable to Mike Conley...in any way.

Rodney Stuckey isn't nearly as good.

Also, he must be batshit insane or truly hate Detroit more than any person has ever hated a place.

Kstat
12-14-2011, 12:35 PM
I think he hated Kuester, but I don't think he hated Detroit. He just wants to get paid.

The sad thing is with a better attitude he could have actually been worth what he wants. His fault, though.

Really?
12-14-2011, 12:51 PM
What the H3ll his agent, lol

Really, I am reading 2 things from this, Dumars must know no one wants to come to Detroit, so he must over pay to keep one of his better players.

Stuckey knows that no one wants to play for Detroit including him, and he would rather wait a year and have a chance to leave, or get paid ridiculously to stay.

By the way did Detroit ever fire their coach?

Kstat
12-14-2011, 12:55 PM
Lawrence Frank is the head coach now.

Far as the "nobody wants to come to Detroit" angle, I'm not buying that. Detroit isn't in a win-now position anyway, so it's not like they HAVE to spend that money, even to re-sign a RFA.

I'd prefer to keep Stuckey, but the best option for everybody involved would be for him to take the 1-year QO. If he gets his act together, he'll get paid next summer.

In any case, I don't see this dragging on much longer. Stuckey isn't going to make himself any money next summer by not playing.

pacergod2
12-14-2011, 01:00 PM
Lawrence Frank is the head coach now.

Far as the "nobody wants to come to Detroit" angle, I'm not buying that. Detroit isn't in a win-now position anyway, so it's not like they HAVE to spend that money, even to re-sign a RFA.

I'd prefer to keep Stuckey, but the best option for everybody involved would be for him to take the 1-year QO. If he gets his act together, he'll get paid next summer.

In any case, I don't see this dragging on much longer. Stuckey isn't going to make himself any money next summer by not playing.

And I could easily see Frank not playing Stuckey as a starter next year if he is playing on the QO. I don't think Stuckey is a starting PG in the first place, so Detroit should be counting their blessings that he didn't take a $45M deal. He could be a difference maker coming off the bench for sure, but try to get the kid to reduce his ego enough to do that. Not happening. I think the Pistons should look to trade him if he signs the QO.

Kstat
12-14-2011, 01:02 PM
They want to bring Stuckey back as a SG, not a PG, which IMO is where he belongs.

Brandon Knight is the starting point guard, in any event.

You also can't trade someone once they sign a QO.

Trader Joe
12-14-2011, 01:03 PM
Rodney Stuckey isn't nearly as good.

Also, he must be batshit insane or truly hate Detroit more than any person has ever hated a place.

Yeah, my point is that Conley is superior in every way.

Kstat
12-14-2011, 01:05 PM
A superior PG, anyway. It's a bit of an apples/oranges comparison.

pacergod2
12-14-2011, 01:05 PM
They want to bring Stuckey back as a SG, not a PG, which IMO is where he belongs.

Brandon Knight is the starting point guard, in any event.

You also can't trade someone once they sign a QO.

You can't? I thought you could after December 15, under the old CBA rules in a normal year. I will have to look it up.

Infinite MAN_force
12-14-2011, 01:06 PM
I think the Pistons should look to trade him if he signs the QO.

Most definitely. Someone will roll the dice on him.

...and before someone says it, no, it should NOT be the Pacers.

Trader Joe
12-14-2011, 01:06 PM
A superior PG, anyway. It's a bit of an apples/oranges comparison.

So Rodney Stuckey is worth 9 million a year as a shooting guard? No thanks.

BRushWithDeath
12-14-2011, 01:08 PM
So Rodney Stuckey is worth 9 million a year as a shooting guard? No thanks.

Right. If you're paying him $8-$9 million it's to be your point guard.

There's no combo guard worth that unless you consider a Joe Johnson or Dwyane Wade a combo guard.

Kstat
12-14-2011, 01:10 PM
You can't? I thought you could after December 15, under the old CBA rules in a normal year. I will have to look it up.

https://webfiles.uci.edu/lcoon/cbafaq/salarycap.htm#Q88

I was a little off.

You can trade a player during a 1-year QO, but it can only be with the player's consent. There's an automatic no-trade clause built into the contract.

Kstat
12-14-2011, 01:11 PM
Right. If you're paying him $8-$9 million it's to be your point guard.


Again, they just drafted a point guard #7 overall. Agree with it or not, they want him back to play SG.

And while I think it's an insane contract, Sacramento just re-signed Marcus Thornton for $8 million a year.

Freddie fan
12-14-2011, 01:13 PM
Yeah, I don't think Stuckey really thinks he's worth that much. He's just done in Detroit and doesn't want anything to do with them anymore. I think he'll probably end up taking the 1 year offer, hitting free agency next offseason, signing for less than Detroit offered him, and being the happiest he's been in a long, long time.

But what if he suffers a debilitating injury or illness this season that reduces his market value? $40+ million is an awful lot of dough not to latch onto when the opportunity presents itself.

Kstat
12-14-2011, 01:15 PM
Yep. Which is why I think he will ultimately take that offer.

Don't get me wrong; I'd prefer he didn't. At the very least, I want the 4th year to be a team option.

Doddage
12-14-2011, 01:39 PM
If he's commanding that much, I'd just let him take the qualifying offer. Sure it sucks to allow a guy you drafted and developed for four seasons to be a UFA, but the Pistons should think forward. They have a couple nice young pieces in Knight and Monroe and they should build around them.