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PacerPenguins
12-13-2011, 08:32 PM
who starts paul george or george hill..... im rly debating who i want to start... but i would rather see Paul George with the the first unit, i also want to see how he grew from last year (IMO he will be a very special player).... what do u guys think?

LucasRL13
12-13-2011, 08:35 PM
Paul is a future All star, no doubt, much better player than Granger, in offense and defense.

Collison
George
Granger
West
Hibbert

PacersHomer
12-13-2011, 08:37 PM
George starts.

jeffg-body
12-13-2011, 08:38 PM
Definitely George over Hill at the 2 spot. Hill should get about the same game time though mixed at the 2 and 1 spots.

crunk-juice
12-13-2011, 08:39 PM
who is Paul George Hill

PacerPenguins
12-13-2011, 08:42 PM
who is Paul George Hill


Paul George George Hill

combined the George's'

ilive4sports
12-13-2011, 08:45 PM
Paul George, easy.

crunk-juice
12-13-2011, 08:46 PM
Paul George George Hill

combined the George's'

i'm aware ;)

Steagles
12-13-2011, 08:47 PM
Hill
George
Danny
West
Roy

MillerTime
12-13-2011, 08:49 PM
PG will start at the 2. Hill will come off the bench and spend time at the 1 and 2. Hill will probably receive more mins than PG

pacers74
12-13-2011, 08:52 PM
I think Paul George will start, but isn't this a nice problem to have.

ndcoltsnpacers
12-13-2011, 09:07 PM
Paul George George Hill

combined the George's'

Wouldn't it be awesome if we traded for Chris Paul? We could then have Chris Paul George Hill. Sounds like 2 players, but Paul George is in there like a ninja.

Steagles
12-13-2011, 09:51 PM
Paul George is in there like a ninja.

Just like when he's pickpocketing DRose


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sportfireman
12-13-2011, 09:51 PM
Wouldn't it be awesome if we traded for Chris Paul? We could then have Chris Paul George Hill. Sounds like 2 players, but Paul George is in there like a ninja.

If we traded for CP we would probably lose PG and GH....

graphic-er
12-13-2011, 09:53 PM
I say Paul George would start.

Malakai432
12-13-2011, 09:56 PM
Good question, only time will tell. I hope both George Hill excels under in the Pacers system and Paul George eventually becomes the super star people say he has the potential to be. :dance:

Pacer Fan
12-13-2011, 09:58 PM
Paul will start with Hill backing Paul and Collison.

Sollozzo
12-13-2011, 10:17 PM
Paul is a future All star, no doubt, much better player than Granger, in offense and defense.

Collison
George
Granger
West
Hibbert


Let's see if George can consistently knock down a jump shot before we say he's a better offensive player than a guy who has averaged over 20+ PPG for three straight seasons....

But yeah, George should definitely start.

PG-24
12-13-2011, 11:29 PM
Paul is a future All star, no doubt, much better player than Granger, in offense and defense.

Collison
George
Granger
West
Hibbert

he is not a better player than granger right now

Day-V
12-13-2011, 11:31 PM
If we traded for CP we would probably lose PG and GH....

You're missing the point of his post.

Pacers#1Fan
12-13-2011, 11:45 PM
1. I wondered when someone when the corny name connection was going to turn up.

2. I realize Hill is a solid option at the two; however, if PG doesn't get the starting spot I will be very disappointed/surprised.

Ozwalt72
12-13-2011, 11:51 PM
2. I realize Hill is a solid option at the two; however, if PG doesn't get the starting spot I will be very disappointed/surprised.

I don't see the big deal with him starting. I want him to end up with 1400minutes or more by season's end though, which would be 20+ minutes per game.

Pacers#1Fan
12-14-2011, 12:15 AM
I don't see the big deal with him starting. I want him to end up with 1400minutes or more by season's end though, which would be 20+ minutes per game.
I know this is beating a dead horse but I'm going to go ahead and say it; it's a development thing for me. I like Hill's game, I'm glad we have him on our team. That being said, I think getting the starting role and starters minutes would benefit PG more than it would Hill. PG, imo, has so much more upside I would like to see if he is able to realize it and I think the best chance for him to realize said potential will come in a starting role.

Ozwalt72
12-14-2011, 12:18 AM
I know this is beating a dead horse but I'm going to go ahead and say it; it's a development thing for me. I like Hill's game, I'm glad we have him on our team. That being said, I think getting the starting role and starters minutes would benefit PG more than it would Hill. PG, imo, has so much more upside I would like to see if he is able to realize it and I think the best chance for him to realize said potential will come in a starting role.

What about being a primary scorer on the floor? He's not going to get that with Granger, West and Hibbert in the first team.

Pacers#1Fan
12-14-2011, 12:39 AM
What about being a primary scorer on the floor? He's not going to get that with Granger, West and Hibbert in the first team.

Simple, you give him time with the second unit. Mix things up when the time's right (DISCLAIMER: NOT LIKE OBIE DID, that can happen and it not be an atrocity). The point I guess I'm trying to make is that I think George in the starting line up along with Collison, Granger, West, and Hibby gives us the best chance to jump out in front and play with a lead. Kind of the same mindset a football coach has when he has his biggest, most intimidating player come off the bus first. First lineup on the floor.

daschysta
12-14-2011, 01:10 AM
Hill
George
Danny
West
Roy

Hill isn't and never has been a point guard. Plus signing West is as good of indicator as any that we intend on giving Darren every chance to succeed.

Hill at the point guard spot has one of the top 5 or 10 worst assist rates in the entire league, compared to that DC is Chris Paul moving the ball around.

He doesn't play well at the one, never has, he considers himself a two, he's always been a two, San Antonio realized it eventually we'd be good to put him a position to succeed not throwing him into a position that he neither likes, nor is good at.

He's an undersized two, maybe VERY situational combo guard, his long arms ensure that he can defend guys that are taller than him, like kobe, and those other guys in the West that Pop loved to put him on.

George is arguably our best defender already, he should be starting at the two so that he can harass and bother the other teams best perimeter scorer. Hill and Hans will be a nice punch off the bench.

Day-V
12-14-2011, 01:40 AM
Hill isn't and never has been a point guard


So him filling in for Tony Parker for all those games over the past few years was just a mirage? ;)

trs72
12-14-2011, 01:43 AM
I'd say Paul George starts and Hill comes of the bench and will probably see starter minutes subbung in for both pg/sg.

yoadknux
12-14-2011, 03:17 AM
PG can start, but GH will end up with more minutes
and I would rather have GH close out games until PG becomes a better all-around player (example.. improves his offense)

pizza guy
12-14-2011, 01:03 PM
I actually like the idea of Hill starting and PG24 being the main focus off the bench, mainly because of experience. You want PG24 to improve and gain confidence, play him against 2nd string guys until he forces his way into the starting role. Hill is a proven player, brings it on both ends, and can score in different ways. When we traded for him, I immediately assumed he would be the starter.

Also, I think Hill starting at the 2 would benefit the other 4 starters more than PG24 right now. Hill brings a lot of versatility and would open the court for Granger and be another weapon for DC to pass to. Having spent time as a point guard, Hill would be able to facilitate for West and Hibbert as well.

Paul George is very much a guy who tries to score when he has the ball, so why not give him the reigns on 2nd string with Hans, Lance, and Rush to fill in and spread the floor a little more. As he improves and shows that he can be a legit go-to guy, then you start thinking about moving him to the starting lineup.

As has been mentioned, you can play both guys at 2 positions each, so I think one of them will always be on the court in some manner. We have a lot of flexibility in the back-court, so playing time each night might be based on match-ups too.

For now though, start Hill and make Paul earn that starting spot. He is a hard worker, and we know he has set his goals pretty high. Putting him on the bench, with Vogel seeming to be the kind of coach who really challenges his guys to be their best, IMO, will fire Paul up and make him work even harder, making him that much better in the long run.

Psyren
12-14-2011, 01:05 PM
Paul George starts.

DC
George
Granger
West
Hibbert

Bench:

Lance (I know some of you will torch me for that)
Hill
Dahntay
Hansbrough
Foster

Pendergraph
Rush

Price in a suit.

At least that's how I'd do it.

PR07
12-14-2011, 01:07 PM
It makes more sense for Hill to be in the second unit. He can back up the 1 and 2, and we'll need his offense in the second unit.

Justin Tyme
12-14-2011, 03:03 PM
Paul George starts.

DC
George
Granger
West
Hibbert

Bench:

Lance (I know some of you will torch me for that)
Hill
Dahntay
Hansbrough
Foster

Pendergraph
Rush

Price in a suit.

At least that's how I'd do it.


The Pacers only have 13 players?

pacergod2
12-14-2011, 03:19 PM
Rush.

ejwallace
12-14-2011, 03:30 PM
I think it would be more interesting to see something like this...

1. DC
2. Danny
3. George
4. West
5. Hibbert

Bigger team all around, with more minutes going to Hansbrough off the bench covering both West/George. Hill covering DC, and when we needed, put Danny back at 3.....Just an all around bigger team setup....Would def be interesting to see....

pacergod2
12-14-2011, 03:40 PM
I think that Collison will play most of his minutes with West. I could actually see both of them start the year coming off the bench since West might not be ready for quite as many minutes as he is accustomed to playing. I could see Hill start with Tyler (and PGeorge).

Really?
12-14-2011, 04:11 PM
The Pacers only have 13 players?

Yeah, where have you been?

We will probably sign 1 D-leaguer and leave 1 one spot I think.

Psyren
12-14-2011, 04:15 PM
The Pacers only have 13 players?

After amnestying Posey, yes. And Im not even sure Price has a guaranteed comtract (could be wrong. Too lazy to look it up)

CreekShow
12-14-2011, 04:19 PM
I think it would be more interesting to see something like this...

1. DC
2. Danny
3. George
4. West
5. Hibbert

Bigger team all around, with more minutes going to Hansbrough off the bench covering both West/George. Hill covering DC, and when we needed, put Danny back at 3.....Just an all around bigger team setup....Would def be interesting to see....

This 5 looks good to me. Our bench looks crazy good right now, Especially with Hans filling in for West. I cant remember the last time Ive been so excited for a season. Lurked on here for a little bit, but my anticipation for this year made me finally sign up for an account. See you guys around

pizza guy
12-14-2011, 04:36 PM
Simple, you give him time with the second unit. Mix things up when the time's right (DISCLAIMER: NOT LIKE OBIE DID, that can happen and it not be an atrocity). The point I guess I'm trying to make is that I think George in the starting line up along with Collison, Granger, West, and Hibby gives us the best chance to jump out in front and play with a lead. Kind of the same mindset a football coach has when he has his biggest, most intimidating player come off the bus first. First lineup on the floor.

I can see this line of thinking, and I do like the idea of jumping on a team right off the bus, but I am not convinced PG24 is ready to start. I think we all caught a glimpse of his potential and want to give him the starting job right away.

I think Hill has proven he can be effective in the NBA, and putting Paul on the bench would serve to motivate him to reach his full potential.

D0NT SH0OT ME
12-15-2011, 12:45 AM
I think it would be more interesting to see something like this...

1. DC
2. Danny
3. George
4. West
5. Hibbert

Bigger team all around, with more minutes going to Hansbrough off the bench covering both West/George. Hill covering DC, and when we needed, put Danny back at 3.....Just an all around bigger team setup....Would def be interesting to see....


I'm confused. How exactly do we get bigger by just switching two players starting positions?

ejwallace
12-15-2011, 08:31 AM
I'm confused. How exactly do we get bigger by just switching two players starting positions?

Not only switching positions, but also switching who is their B/U. That would allow for Hill to only have to B/U Collison, so our only small on the floor would be at 1. Granger doesn't sit much, and it looks like we have quite a few that can play 3/4 off the bench. In reality it doesn't make our starters any bigger, but it would make our second team taller.....

Bigs that would be available for 3/4 are:

West
George
Hansbrough
Pendergraph

Hell you could even rotate Foster in there if you wanna get frisky....

BRushWithDeath
12-15-2011, 02:20 PM
It should be both.

D0NT SH0OT ME
12-15-2011, 05:08 PM
Not only switching positions, but also switching who is their B/U. That would allow for Hill to only have to B/U Collison, so our only small on the floor would be at 1. Granger doesn't sit much, and it looks like we have quite a few that can play 3/4 off the bench. In reality it doesn't make our starters any bigger, but it would make our second team taller.....

Bigs that would be available for 3/4 are:

West
George
Hansbrough
Pendergraph

Hell you could even rotate Foster in there if you wanna get frisky....

I wasn't asking for an explanation, I was being sarcastic in my post.

There is no chance that Hansbrough, Pendergraph, West, or Foster see a single minute at the 3 spot. No chance whatsoever.

George will not see a single second at the four.

Hill will not play solely at the point.

I'm sorry but do you have any idea how ridiculous what you are saying sounds? Jeff Foster at the three? Have you ever seen the Pacers play?